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08:25:27  <V453000> yay pushing brix, seems like it works planetmaker
08:25:33  <V453000> <3
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09:34:40  <Wolf01> o/
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10:25:30  <Wolf01> bah, shitty adsl today
10:29:16  <peter1138> hey hey, 4k
10:29:48  <Eddi|zuHause> if your adsl only has 4k, then it's probably shitty :p
10:30:03  <Wolf01> 2.8Mbit/s now
10:31:34  <Eddi|zuHause> didn't they decide somewhere that "below 25mbit cannot be called 'broadband'"?
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10:32:55  <planetmaker> moin
10:32:56  <peter1138> "they" ?
10:33:01  <Eddi|zuHause> they are upgrading mine from 16/1 to 50/10
10:33:33  <Eddi|zuHause> THEY
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10:38:13  <Wolf03> see.. it even disconnects :|
10:38:27  <V453000> hm, when pushing tortoiseHg asks me for username and PW ... is that PW for the public key or for the devzone account? :D
10:38:35  <V453000> advantage of different passwords XD
10:40:44  <V453000> though the very fact that it asks me at all is suspicious, I guess I did not set up pageant or something with tortoise properly
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10:45:20  <Taede> have you set up tortoisehg to use the key as credentials?
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10:55:00  <planetmaker> V453000, could be either, I guess. If your key has a PW, you might need that. You cannot push with your devzone account and PW
10:55:44  <V453000> yeah I got pageant running with the proper key added ... tortoiseHg never asked me for a key when pushing I thought ... not sure though, been a while
10:56:07  <V453000> pushing 676MB out of 286MB certainly is suspicious though
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11:31:03  <V453000> fak, authorization failed again
11:31:06  <V453000> ._.
11:31:13  <V453000> what could I be doing wrong?
11:31:19  <V453000> some link between tortoise hg and pageant?
11:31:50  <frosch123> what does "again" mean?
11:31:51  <V453000> stuff in mercurial.ini?
11:32:08  <frosch123> did it work today before on the same machine?
11:32:19  <V453000> frosch123: I tried giving tortoiseHg my devzone password the first time it asked, failed, second time I gave it the public key password, failed again
11:32:20  <V453000> no
11:32:24  <V453000> it never worked on this machine yet
11:33:06  <frosch123> devzone password will never work
11:33:13  <frosch123> you can only push with key
11:33:17  <V453000> yeah
11:33:21  <frosch123> most likely it does not find the key file
11:33:28  <V453000> hm
11:34:16  <frosch123> on linux the keyfile must be "personal", i.e. it cannot be a shared file that is also accessible by other users
11:34:26  <frosch123> maybe there is something similar for windows
11:35:51  <Wolf01> i usually place the keyfiles in my documents folder, for "security" reasons and to be sure to backup them, i don't know how it works in this case
11:36:05  <V453000> tried this Either add the following to the [ui]-section of the mercurial.ini in your home directory (assuming your key is in "C:\Users\UserName\mykey.ppk"):  [ui] ssh = tortoiseplink.exe -ssh -i "C:\Users\UserName\mykey.ppk"
11:36:57  <V453000> but is my assumption correct that tortoiseHg should not ask for my username/pw when pushing?
11:37:09  <V453000> and should any password be in mercurial.ini?
11:37:28  <frosch123> no, no passwords on disk
11:37:40  <V453000> k
11:37:48  <frosch123> also, username would be "hg"
11:37:50  <frosch123> not "V"
11:38:08  <V453000> :d
11:38:16  <V453000> now wtf XD
11:38:30  <peter1138> me o'clock
11:38:46  <V453000> xd
11:39:51  <Eddi|zuHause> only an hour late...
11:40:56  <V453000> ^
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11:42:40  <peter1138> i was going by utc
11:42:58  <frosch123> V453000: https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/wiki/Ssh#Step-7-Configure-your-local-repository-to-use-the-SSH-protocol <- in step 7.5 you enter " default = ssh://hg@hg.openttdcoop.org/PROJECTNAME"
11:43:10  <frosch123> it should not ask you for a username with that
11:43:20  <frosch123> if it asks you for a username, then it did not find the keyfile
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11:44:01  <V453000> ah I had https
11:44:25  <frosch123> that explains it :)
11:45:14  <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: you're probably in a minority here ;)
11:46:02  <Eddi|zuHause> hmzz... i can't get this mun mission right... i never have enough fuel for the return trip, and bringing more fuel just needs more fuel to get into orbit, then i have the same as before... :/
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11:47:40  <peter1138> utc is correct wherever you are
11:47:52  <peter1138> well, on earth anyway
11:47:53  <Wolf01> drill some holes on the rocket
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11:58:54  <Aphid> http://www.tt-wiki.net/wiki/ECS_Agricultural_Vector._Fruit_Plantation <-- what would the actual net monthly production be? The 1536 indicated, just compacted into the ~12 weeks for which it's producing stuff?
11:58:54  <V453000> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/brix/repository \o/
11:58:57  <V453000> thanks frosch123 :)
11:59:20  <frosch123> \o/
12:23:04  <Eddi|zuHause> also, i need to pick better landing spots... i always hit some crater rim where my lander falls over...
12:24:55  <Ether_Man> Would it be possible to have different signal types in different directions on the same square? Like an Exit signal on one side and path in the opposite direction?
12:25:45  <Ether_Man> I know it's not in the game right now, it's more, would it be possible to make it or does the architecture as it is prevent it?
12:27:54  <Eddi|zuHause> it's... complicated
12:30:42  <Ether_Man> So no? :)
12:31:26  <peter1138> yeah path signals
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12:33:06  <frosch123> Ether_Man: even if putting different signals on the same tile would be possible, mixing path and non-path signals in the same block does not work
12:33:25  <frosch123> so, path/exit makes no sense, even if one could place them
12:34:09  <Ether_Man> Too bad ;_;
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12:35:52  <Aphid> ECS is kinda... hard to understand how the cargo ratios work
12:40:16  <Aphid> Becomes even more confusing when you have a choice of where to send stuff. Tbh I'm making an assumption the player does a 50:50 split whenever it's nonobvious.
12:41:16  <Aphid> Say you get the agicultural vector and don't have the base II vector. Then the brewery is strictly better than the food plant, so I assume someone doesn't use the latter; would make some sense.
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12:52:30  <Wolf01> Aphid you can ask the author now ^
12:55:25  <Wolf01> Eddi|zuHause, we are all happy you can send rockets to the moon, but don't forget some spare pieces around north korea ;)
12:56:14  <Eddi|zuHause> that's easy, i've never been anywhere near north korea
13:00:12  <Wolf01> not yet, but try to play safe :P
13:04:46  <Aphid> Hmm, I think i'm okay, the agi vector was the hardest to figure out. I'll just see what requirements it comes up with for some random combinations
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13:18:07  <slaca> hi guys, could someone suggest me a road vehicle depot grf?
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13:40:17  <Aphid> oh wow...
13:40:21  <Aphid> those might be a bit high
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13:46:20  <Aphid> Came down to 186t bricks, 110kl water, 168t food, 455cr goods, 96t cement, 21kl petrol, 7 vehicles, 10t gold. It does look okay at first glance.
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16:10:46  <Alberth> o/
16:10:49  <andythenorth> o/
16:26:57  <andythenorth> bbl
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17:41:17  <Eddi|zuHause> ah, i finally returned from the mun :)
17:41:45  <Alberth> welcome back then :)
17:42:44  * debdog puts Eddi|zuHause in quarantine - hope you didn't bring mun fever back with ya
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17:51:52  <Eddi|zuHause> now i need to figure out what to do with all the new toys i researched
17:52:25  <Alberth> buy them all, play them all?
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18:19:57  <Terkhen> Hello
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18:40:30  <Aphid> is it me or are pineapple trains a bit underpowered?
18:41:32  <frosch123> i think they are supposed to be used without cargo weight multiplier
18:41:42  <Aphid> Even without it...
18:42:04  <Aphid> An 8-car unity VFT won't make it to top speed for example
18:45:44  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27489 trunk/src/lang/vietnamese.txt (2016-01-06 19:45:35 +0100 )
18:45:45  <DorpsGek> -Update from Eints:
18:45:46  <DorpsGek> vietnamese: 1 change by nglekhoi
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18:53:28  <alluke> who even uses cargo multiplier
18:53:43  <alluke> that is bad feature
18:57:35  <Aphid> Well, you can use it to simulate having long cargo trains; give powerful locs a niche.
18:59:03  <frosch123> if the engines are underpowered, just attach more engines
18:59:10  <frosch123> if the engines are overpowered, increase the multiplier
18:59:31  <alluke> if they are overpowered just add wagons
18:59:41  <V453000> moar powar is moar power, your engines cannot be overpowered
19:02:40  <frosch123> sure they can be
19:03:00  <frosch123> if engines are overpowered, it's like you only have the "fast" class in nuts
19:03:05  <frosch123> no point in the other classes
19:03:27  <alluke> freight cars limit the top speed usually
19:09:59  <V453000> so frosch you mean that if set is shit, you should use game settings to fix it :P
19:10:56  <frosch123> exactly
19:11:12  <frosch123> that's the whole point of that setting
19:11:37  <V453000> one comes to think if sets would be shit if the setting was not there :P
19:12:16  <planetmaker> it's also a difficulty thing of sorts so you can adjust to your liking. You can't do that so easily with NewGRFs
19:12:46  <V453000> I know :)
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19:49:46  <andythenorth> o/
19:49:51  <Wolf01> o/
19:51:11  <frosch123> hoi
19:51:26  <frosch123> andythenorth: https://github.com/javve/list.js <- i am pondering to add that to eints
19:51:51  <frosch123> to allow sorting strings by last changed and stuff
19:52:10  <Alberth> spiffy :)
19:52:12  <frosch123> opinions? do you know other strategies to sortable tables?
19:52:53  <andythenorth> tablesorter.js is the defacto for tables
19:53:00  <andythenorth> list.js looks possibly more flexible though
19:53:04  <Wolf01> andythenorth, did you read about the new lego batman classic (the live action tv series) set?
19:53:24  <andythenorth> nah :)
19:53:33  <andythenorth> licensed stuff leaves me kind of cold :)
19:53:40  <andythenorth> there is some new electronic thing announced though
19:53:52  <andythenorth> frosch123: I would favour trying list.js tbh
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19:54:11  <Wolf01> from the images i got from.. ehm... unofficial ways... it seem to be cool
19:54:16  <andythenorth> given I use tablesorter.js for work it’s always nice to test alternatives in a non-work contenxt ;)
19:55:30  <Wolf01> what weird symbol did you put after "conten"?
19:56:00  <Rubidium> something near his backspace key I'd reckon ;)
19:56:08  <andythenorth> contenxt?
19:56:16  <andythenorth> was a typo
19:56:17  <frosch123> ok, i'll try the list.js then
19:56:21  <frosch123> it also has filters and stuff
19:56:31  <frosch123> so people do not have to ctrl+f
19:56:38  <frosch123> even fuzzy filters
19:56:50  <Wolf01> ctrl+f does the search for me
19:57:06  <Wolf01> ah wait, totally unrelated
19:57:17  <Wolf01> i'm a bit off this evening
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19:58:39  <Eddi|zuHause> <Wolf01> what weird symbol did you put after "conten"? <-- looks like an angle bracket that includes a space here...
19:59:17  <Wolf01> it's a little rectangle here :P
20:00:41  <andythenorth> it’s just xt :P
20:00:48  <andythenorth> dunno
20:00:54  <andythenorth> weird encoding crap maybe
20:12:41  <Xaroth|Work> some UTF thing
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20:16:38  <V453000> I think I just made an awesome bridge and it will glitch like mad with the things under it xd
20:17:06  <andythenorth> ha ha
20:19:37  <peter1138> it's a ^H
20:19:43  <peter1138> instead of a backspace
20:20:14  <Eddi|zuHause> how does that even get sent?
20:20:16  <Wolf01> which in understandable language translates to?
20:20:53  <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: the keycode of backspace is the same as the keycode of ^H (ctrl+H)
20:21:23  <Eddi|zuHause> or rather the ascii code
20:21:25  <Wolf01> oh nice, so he managed to send the backspace command XD
20:23:32  <andythenorth> wtf? :P
20:24:40  <Alberth> isn't backspace 127?
20:24:47  <Alberth> 8 is just cursor left?
20:27:17  <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: i don't really know these codes
20:28:20  <Alberth> that's ok, the Internet knows too :)
20:28:41  <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, things are totally weird, both on the sending and on the receiving side :p
20:30:23  <Alberth> not sure, I once had to change between 127 and 8 at some terminal with bash to make vim work, so quite possibly, both characters are used at keyboards
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20:47:02  <glx> 8 is backspace, 127 is delete
20:48:10  <Eddi|zuHause> glx: that makes way more sense
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20:57:14  <frosch123> @seen dalestan
20:57:14  <DorpsGek> frosch123: dalestan was last seen in #openttd 5 years, 41 weeks, 5 days, 4 hours, 17 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <DaleStan> <PeterT> Why would one have info version 5 instead of info version 7? <-- because you didn't use any Info version 6 or 7 features, and there was no header telling NFORenum to use any particular version.
20:58:15  <Eddi|zuHause> are we playing the "who gets the highest timeframe" game?
20:58:35  <frosch123> no, i just thought about apostrophes
20:58:50  <frosch123> or should i say "apostrophe's"?
20:59:38  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i've seen a wrong apostrophe on the ECS wiki page linked earlier
20:59:59  <frosch123> send ln there
21:00:33  <Eddi|zuHause> go fetch!
21:01:11  <Eddi|zuHause> or "go bwÀh" if you do it the wrong way :p
21:02:43  <Eddi|zuHause> (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgKGixi8bp8)
21:04:35  <frosch123> hmm, i wondered whether someone already updated the copyright dates on openttd.org, but actually they still say 2014 :p
21:05:31  <planetmaker> hehe :)
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21:23:14  <Eddi|zuHause> was there an "off by one" commit this year? i probably missed it
21:30:41  <Terkhen> Good night
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22:04:13  <andythenorth> bye
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23:36:58  <Wolf01> 'night
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