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Log for #openttd on 14th January 2016:
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03:15:35  <myztic> I suck so hard at this game
03:15:40  <myztic> I really have to do some reading
03:15:45  <myztic> especially considering signals
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04:38:16  <Mazur> Signals can produce complicated effects.
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10:30:48  <dihedral> hello
10:31:29  <dihedral> i spot a yori ck
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10:32:27  <Wolf01> o/
10:33:09  <dihedral> hey sir
10:34:58  <Hydros> \o
10:38:21  <__ln__> sir Wolf the 01st
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10:46:29  <__ln__> also hello dihedral
10:46:49  <dihedral> and a "hello" back to you
10:47:17  <dihedral> strange silence in here
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10:55:47  <Eddi|zuHause> that's pretty common this time of day
11:03:40  <dihedral> what a lazy lot
11:04:25  <argoneus> good morning train amigos
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11:09:15  <__ln__> amigos de trenes
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11:15:29  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't want any tears
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11:32:02  <andythenorth> new logo eh? o_O
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11:56:55  <peter1138> eh?
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12:04:27  <andythenorth> forumz
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12:19:00  <dihedral> i see QH HD in the logo :-D
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12:32:54  <Wolf01> I don't like it too
12:33:24  <Wolf01> but my opinion doesn't count, I don't have taste in graphics
12:34:47  <andythenorth> when it comes to logo design, the non-literate opinion counts as much as the literate
12:34:57  <andythenorth> as a logo has to be consumed by everyone
12:35:11  <andythenorth> and not just those who get why it’s smart or clever
12:47:12  <Wolf01> the only thing I can like, somewhat, is the story behind the TT rotation, but it doesn't look good in the final logo
12:49:47  <planetmaker> I like the idea. But the result is ... well, not entirely convincing, I think
12:50:06  <planetmaker> though tbh, our current logo certainly is not a nice one either
12:50:43  <peter1138> oh for fucks sake
12:50:50  <peter1138> alan rickman now
12:50:51  <peter1138> rip
12:51:30  <andythenorth> coming to us all
12:51:32  * andythenorth cheery
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13:00:00  <Hydros> hey, I'm in an out, mostly out today, I posted the logo thing.
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13:00:49  <Hydros> Yeah, I'm an outsider now and there's nothing in it that any of you can identify with so that's going to make it very hard to relate to.
13:01:19  <andythenorth> I like the process + the thinking
13:01:26  <Hydros> It can be viewed as "something generic" that has a certain quality in appearance, at best. And at this stage, and the current situation, that can be good enough. However...
13:01:41  <Hydros> whatever ideas anyone has, everything can be incorporated into the next stage. Everything.
13:01:48  <Wolf01> <peter1138> alan rickman now <- what? when? where?
13:02:07  <andythenorth> I think there are good choices, but the final form is distorted because the idea about the Ts is too clever to work :D
13:02:12  <andythenorth> imho
13:02:13  <andythenorth> etc
13:02:14  <Hydros> andythenorth, cheers mate glad to hear.
13:02:23  <Hydros> haha maybe.
13:03:03  <andythenorth> the current logo has some irony
13:03:06  <andythenorth> a big $ sign
13:03:13  <Hydros> the current logo is the original TTD logo
13:03:15  <andythenorth> when actually, money is the least interesting objective in the game
13:03:42  <Hydros> yeah, game is about efficiency, optimisation, good planning, cleverness.
13:04:00  <andythenorth> original logo looks like 30 mins work
13:04:02  <peter1138> Wolf01, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-35313604
13:04:04  <peter1138> etc etc
13:04:10  <andythenorth> probably 25 mins of that was rejecting stupid ideas from managers
13:04:11  <Hydros> for a pro designer, 30 seconds work :)
13:04:22  <Hydros> have you seen the original TTD logo from 94?
13:04:43  <Hydros> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7f/Transport_Tycoon_Coverart.jpg
13:04:45  <andythenorth> looking at it now
13:04:57  <Hydros> note the square diamond with dollar sign in the corner...
13:05:05  <andythenorth> I was looking at http://thefloppydisk.com/games/transport_tycoon_deluxe_uk/box_front.jpg
13:05:06  <Hydros> and the art deco clipart which is actually coolish...
13:05:18  <Hydros> but it just looks so outdated more than anything
13:05:32  <Hydros> the fun thing about OpenTTD is while it's an old idea, it's still fresh.
13:05:49  <Hydros> ooh haven't seen that box
13:05:59  <Wolf01> peter1138 :(
13:06:21  <andythenorth> ha ha
13:06:38  * andythenorth can remember when ‘CD-ROM’ on a box was a sign of something totally modern, fast and exciting
13:06:47  <Hydros> oh really, RIP alan rickman.
13:06:53  <andythenorth> I bought a CD this week, don’t even have an optical drive
13:07:04  <Hydros> I haven't touched a CD in a long time
13:07:10  <Hydros> must be years now
13:07:44  <andythenorth> some random electronica is only available on CD
13:07:47  <andythenorth> or vinyl
13:07:54  <andythenorth> ‘vinyl for quality’
13:08:08  <Hydros> why on CD, that doesn't make sense
13:08:17  <Hydros> forced retro? for hipster fans?
13:08:22  <andythenorth> awkward squad
13:08:28  <andythenorth> this is the KLF and 808 State
13:08:33  <andythenorth> they are not famed for being easy
13:08:56  <Hydros> vinyl is analogue, that makes sense, but CD really doesn't.
13:09:04  <Hydros> yeah, I know'em
13:09:12  <andythenorth> despite that it’s all midi loops, someone will insist ‘vinyl is more real' :P
13:09:27  <Hydros> yeah I forgot, hipsters can't use non-apple devices probably
13:09:53  <Hydros> hehe
13:10:04  <Hydros> there was this great article I read on luxury, the price of things, something like that
13:10:25  <Hydros> you know people love messing with gourmet critics or sommeliers tasting wines etc
13:10:54  <Hydros> they give'em cheap wines or same wines or they give food critics a mcdonalds burger and say it's some organic something and laugh at the stuff they come up with
13:11:52  <Hydros> well there was a comprehensive fMRI supported study checking people experiencing pleasure when they believed the wine they're drinking is actually more expensive. Even though that was a trick, their brains lit up more on the fmri
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13:12:04  <Hydros> go figure
13:12:24  <Hydros> I'll be back later, cheers
13:32:33  <Eddi|zuHause> sure. what you believe totally matters. placebo effect and all.
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13:46:36  <andythenorth> does the placebo effect work if you don’t believe in it?
13:46:38  * andythenorth wonders
13:46:42  <andythenorth> also nocebo is quite interesting
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13:51:24  <Eddi|zuHause> studies have shown that the placebo effect works better on people that are more educated
13:51:35  <Eddi|zuHause> also, injections work better than pills
13:52:05  <Eddi|zuHause> and it works better if a higher ranked doctor applies it
13:52:37  <dihedral> studies have shown that 9 out of 10 people do not have issues with mobbing
13:53:22  <Eddi|zuHause> less well studied is the effect of placebo surgeries, but the few data there is suggest it's even more effective than injections
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14:01:11  <andythenorth> I would recommend placebo tooth extractions
14:01:24  <andythenorth> or leeches
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14:19:17  <peter1138> http://data.whicdn.com/images/143350050/large.jpg
14:19:19  <peter1138> damn
14:19:45  <Wolf01> please, stop?
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14:38:59  <Belugas> hello
14:40:21  <Wolf01> o/
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15:36:42  <dihedral> uh - a Belugas
15:36:47  <dihedral> happy new year to you sir
15:37:23  <peter1138> if only it was
15:38:05  <dihedral> oh dear - what's this now? someone needing an outlet for some misery?
15:39:09  <dihedral> well - could actually be really aweful - I agree, depending on the circumstance...
15:42:48  <Belugas> hello dihedral :)
15:43:40  <Belugas> I guess the sad note of the year not starting well is related to the death of David Bowie.
15:43:50  <dihedral> ...
15:43:57  <Belugas> either way, happy hea year to you too, dihedral :)
15:44:00  <dihedral> well, I could imagine worse things
15:44:07  <dihedral> thanks :-)
15:44:11  <dihedral> how you keeping up?
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15:44:28  <Belugas> Lemmy Killmister is dead too... 70 years
15:44:35  <Belugas> Motorhead is therefor dead too
15:44:36  <Belugas> booo
15:45:06  <Belugas> I'm fine, thanks!  Enjoying what i can, of course.  And you?
15:47:58  <dihedral> doing well, enjoying life myself
16:05:59  <Xaroth> sup Belugas, dihedral
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16:49:07  <V453000> hmmmmmmmmm
16:49:21  <V453000> how do I guess at least roughly offsets for bridge pillars?
16:49:34  <V453000> because I loaded them with some various random offsets, and I simply cannot see themn
16:49:39  <V453000> unless..
16:49:42  <V453000> hm
16:49:53  <V453000> ye nvm
16:54:25  <V453000> ... the sprite was obviously empty...
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17:12:29  <Eddi|zuHause> if my changes don't show up, i usually check whether i'm compiling the right file
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17:20:30  <Wolf01> somebody knows a multiplatform app (windows/ios/android) which can share a drawing board? Something like the old netmeeting
17:21:03  <andythenorth> no, although if you find a good one, let me know
17:21:27  <Wolf01> I think I'll have to write one :/
17:22:23  <V453000> yeah Eddi, I just for some reason assumed my render sequence is ok :P
17:22:28  <V453000> not the best thing
17:23:15  <Wolf01> too bad I can't run a node.js server on my nas
17:24:08  <andythenorth> is it? o_O
17:38:40  <Taede> can you run a virtual machine on your nas?
17:39:17  <Wolf01> no, I must root it before, but I don't want to brick it
17:40:06  <andythenorth> if you run node.js correctly, *everyone* will be able to run stuff on your NAS
17:40:07  <andythenorth> :P
17:40:40  <Alberth> it's probably not secure anyway :p
17:41:45  <Wolf01> good to know
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17:49:55  <Wolf01> quak
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17:51:11  <Alberth> hoi
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17:57:12  <frosch123> hola
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17:59:04  <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: use one of those games where you draw something and the other people have to guess what it is? :p
17:59:58  <Wolf01> I need for something more useful, maybe with layers too
18:00:51  <Wolf01> or at least the ability to delete/move/resize a shape
18:01:07  <Wolf01> netmeeting was good for this
18:01:26  <Wolf01> also everyone must be able to draw
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18:15:17  <V453000> oh fucking christ I did not realize the game forces me to use a pre-defined distance between bridge pillars
18:16:34  <supermop> newbridges spec would be nice
18:16:44  <supermop> but wouldn't help you with a base set
18:16:51  <V453000> I am only using base set stuff yeah
18:17:05  <V453000> having newgrf abilities would help insane much with bridge graphics XD
18:17:14  <V453000> but yeah, limitations I want to remain obeying
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18:45:42  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27498 trunk/src/lang/greek.txt (2016-01-14 19:45:35 +0100 )
18:45:43  <DorpsGek> -Update from Eints:
18:45:44  <DorpsGek> greek: 11 changes by Ferrum
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20:04:05  <andythenorth> hmm
20:04:11  <andythenorth> cooking cat
20:16:06  <frosch123> juicycat? original filtered cat juice?
20:19:54  * andythenorth wonders
20:22:29  * andythenorth looks for pencil
20:22:43  <andythenorth> this Pyrite Smelter, nobody has drawn it yet :(
20:22:45  <andythenorth> slackers
20:28:06  * peter1138 looks for cargo
20:30:22  * andythenorth finds baby fish
20:30:45  <andythenorth> also peter1138 in important family news, my brother just sms-ed me to say that the Acorn A3000 boots and runs ok
20:30:52  <andythenorth> do I want it, or should he eBay it?
20:31:03  <andythenorth> chocks away disk is ok, but the mission disk is AWOL
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20:50:21  <alluke> is it possible to get ottd into steam? :P
20:51:09  <__ln__> try
20:57:22  <Wolf01> it's easy: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=2219-YDJV-5557
20:57:58  <Alberth> take out your hard disk, cook water, put harddisk into escaping steam, done
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21:00:09  <andythenorth> then eat the kangaroo
21:00:59  <andythenorth> that joke probably doesn’t travel well
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22:06:33  <Wolf01> Eddi|zuHause, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrjpELy1xzc lol
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22:15:38  <Taede> thats a big candle
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23:13:41  <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: if only the game actually ran that smoothly with such a rocket :p
23:14:12  <argoneus> it does if you aren't on a patato
23:14:14  <argoneus> :>
23:14:38  <Eddi|zuHause> i think my radeon hd 7750 counts as "potato" then
23:16:30  <argoneus> it does
23:16:33  <argoneus> it's like lower-middle class

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