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00:02:04 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 00:15:15 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:29:59 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@D97B8CD4.cm-3-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 00:31:57 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po-217-129-255-23.netvisao.pt] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:50:58 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@D97B8CD4.cm-3-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:17:16 *** Ketsuban [~ketsuban@2a02:c7d:a34a:9000:1128:187b:83a6:9764] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:25:44 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:33:56 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 02:31:02 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@D97B8CD4.cm-3-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 02:35:03 <Flygon> I do wonder how older Victorians, and current day Finns, handle reading about VR all the time 02:35:07 <Flygon> VR this. VR that. 02:35:34 <Flygon> The articles mean Virtual Reality 02:36:18 <Flygon> But Victorians see it as Victorian Railways, and Finns as... well, their own VR railways too :D 02:47:47 <Eddi|zuHause> you mean like whenever people talk about SC2 i think of sim city 2000? 02:48:18 <Eddi|zuHause> that state lasts about 2 seconds... 03:37:30 *** Pikka [~Octomom@220.240.120.137] has joined #openttd 03:44:38 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~farci@i59F6D832.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:54:24 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 04:02:30 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc80661-stap13-2-0-cust817.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 04:02:39 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc80661-stap13-2-0-cust817.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [] 04:53:10 *** Clockworker_ [~Clockwork@189-30-215-172.paemt702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #openttd 05:00:33 *** Clockworker [~Clockwork@189-30-215-172.paemt702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:02:10 *** Clockworker [Clockworke@177.2.175.68] has joined #openttd 05:08:54 *** Clockworker_ [~Clockwork@189-30-215-172.paemt702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:25:50 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.136.141.100] has joined #openttd 05:33:36 *** MonkeyDronez [~Monkey@84.255.150.25] has joined #openttd 05:42:13 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-157-231.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:58:55 *** Arveen [~Arveen@ip-95-223-75-47.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #openttd 06:07:58 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19F89.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 06:18:32 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 06:25:29 *** Gjax [~martin@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:27:23 *** Gjax [~martin@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 06:39:04 *** Ketsuban [~ketsuban@2a02:c7d:a34a:9000:614f:f546:4423:155b] has joined #openttd 06:39:31 *** _johannes [~johannes@port-92-203-159-105.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 07:00:27 <_johannes> hi 07:08:04 *** _johannes [~johannes@port-92-203-159-105.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 07:33:19 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@y32.ip1.anvianet.fi] has joined #openttd 07:38:38 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Valete omnes] 07:57:34 *** Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 07:58:47 *** johannes__ [~johannes@port-92-203-159-105.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 08:12:41 <peter1138> i don't think there are many victorians around today 08:12:56 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po-217-129-255-23.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 08:13:14 <peter1138> ah, the last one died last year 08:14:06 <johannes__> is openttd_main() the entry point for all operating systems? 08:25:37 *** frosch123 [~frosch@00013ce7.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 08:30:33 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.136.141.100] has quit [] 08:37:47 *** Gjax [~martin@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:46:34 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-138-243-38.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:47:45 <andythenorth> o/ 08:48:47 *** gelignite [~gelignite@x4db54cab.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 09:06:58 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-138-243-38.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:26:39 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-138-243-38.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:27:43 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 09:27:46 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 09:27:53 <Alberth> moin 09:28:31 <frosch123> hoi 09:30:22 <andythenorth> o/ 09:41:06 <johannes__> hi 09:41:22 <johannes__> does someone know if openttd_main() is the entry point for all operating systems? 09:42:28 <johannes__> I mean, does it "finally" get called by all OS? 09:42:51 <frosch123> i would hope so 09:43:07 <johannes__> :D 09:54:41 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-138-243-38.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 09:59:19 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-138-243-38.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:08:49 <Samu> I have a question about the Write function here https://git.openttd.org/?p=trunk.git;a=blob;f=src/saveload/saveload.cpp;h=b1a21844f355fc18dfb1b80f7b01e8df33a2b202;hb=35aa952c36ca59f3daa5800aced0125c1f1ec0f0#l2515 10:09:03 <Samu> There are many Writers 10:09:25 <Samu> void FileWriter::Write(byte * buf, size_t size) 10:09:29 <Samu> void LZMASaveFilter::Write(byte * buf, size_t size) 10:09:33 <Samu> void LZOSaveFilter::Write(byte * buf, size_t size) 10:09:37 <Samu> void NoCompSaveFilter::Write(byte * buf, size_t size) 10:09:42 <Samu> void PacketWriter::Write(byte * buf, size_t size) 10:09:46 <Samu> void ZlibSaveFilter::Write(byte * buf, size_t size) 10:10:28 <Samu> how does that function know which write function will be used? 10:14:48 <Alberth> code doesn't say? 10:15:42 <Samu> i want to create another SaveFileToDisk function to deal exclusively with PacketWriter only 10:15:56 <Samu> but that Write over there is confusing me 10:17:58 <Samu> I'm duplicating all the save thread related functions to have one thread entirely dedicated for the network 10:18:34 <Samu> it's confusing me 10:19:52 <Samu> i only want to deal with PacketWriter if I am understanding this part right, I don't want to duplicate the others 10:20:40 <Samu> but maybe i'm understanding it wrong 10:20:46 <Alberth> duplicating large amounts of code is a bad direction no matter what 10:21:02 * andythenorth ponders 10:21:08 <Alberth> I never studied the save code in detail 10:21:30 <Alberth> but somewhere _sl.tf must be set, would be my guess 10:24:32 <johannes__> dumb question: A trains must first visit station A, than B. if it enters station A, and only one track of A leads to B, does it take that track, or might it also take the wrong one? 10:26:51 <Alberth> the latter 10:27:00 <Alberth> trains do not look ahead to next orders 10:28:29 <monsted> that sounds like bad station design :) 10:36:10 <johannes__> ah ok I had a two way railway line where the directions changed in a station 10:36:27 <johannes__> the trains always took the wrong track... 10:41:40 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:42:59 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:43:47 <Wolf01> o/ 10:54:55 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@D97B8CD4.cm-3-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:56:18 <Alberth> o/ 10:59:59 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@D97B8CD4.cm-3-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 11:03:28 * Wolf01 ended up playing factorio 'til 3.30 again this night :| 11:09:32 *** Wolf03 [~wolf01@host249-115-dynamic.116-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 11:09:32 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest690 11:09:32 *** Wolf03 is now known as Wolf01 11:10:13 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6D832.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 11:11:27 <frosch123> he, i didn't know two-way signals even existed 11:12:03 <frosch123> i tried building them in my first train game, but they did not appear to work, so i assumed there are only one-way ones :p 11:12:35 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@D97B8CD4.cm-3-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:12:51 <Wolf01> bah, I'm moving the entire refinery, boring 11:13:42 <frosch123> it needs some tectonic technology to move ground :) 11:13:59 *** Guest690 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:14:31 <Wolf01> also I wanted to move the engines production plant but it requires lubricant, which can only be transported with pipes (I don't want to install the mod for barrels) 11:15:31 <frosch123> haha, yeah, if you find a long pipe in my factory, it's most likely lubricant 11:17:53 *** Gjax [~martin@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 11:19:06 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@D97B8CD4.cm-3-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 11:20:33 <Wolf01> I can't wait for the 0.13, I really need the blueprint book 11:20:45 <Wolf01> I have 2 rows of blueprints in the inventory 11:23:55 *** Ketsuban [~ketsuban@2a02:c7d:a34a:9000:614f:f546:4423:155b] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:25:57 *** Flygon [~Flygon@ppp118-209-238-150.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:29:04 *** Flygon [~Flygon@ppp118-209-238-150.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 11:30:18 <planetmaker> o/ 11:30:23 <Wolf01> o/ 11:37:22 <Alberth> o/ 11:47:08 <johannes__> would it be ok to add *pdf to openttd's gitignore? 11:47:17 <johannes__> I meant *.pdf 11:48:30 <johannes__> the reason I ask because I work with an exporter which creates PDF files, and I usually work in the source tree 11:48:57 <johannes__> I know it's a stupid reason to do this just for one person, but are we ever going to commit PDF files? 11:50:02 <Alberth> given that git is a distributed VCS, I see no objection adding that to your setup 11:50:19 <Alberth> ie why would it need to be in the central repo? 11:52:34 <johannes__> Alberth: where could I put it otherwise? 11:53:14 <Alberth> how would I know, i hate git sufficiently not to know such things 11:53:39 <johannes__> :) 11:53:45 <johannes__> what do you prefer as a VCS? 11:53:52 <Alberth> but it's a disitributed VCS, I would expect people can have their own setup, or it's more broken than I think 11:54:38 <Alberth> oh, svn or hg, or so 11:56:02 <johannes__> "projects/openttd_vs100.vcxproj" 11:56:08 <johannes__> is this file auto-generated? 11:56:15 <Alberth> yep 11:56:20 <johannes__> ok 11:56:32 <Alberth> euhm, "auto" as in "run a script" :) 11:56:39 <johannes__> why is it under VCS then? 11:57:00 <Alberth> save people the trouble generating it? 11:57:12 <johannes__> that's not much trouble saved :P 11:57:26 <Alberth> at least, that's the usual reason to save generated files in vcs 11:57:42 <johannes__> ok, how do I regenerate it? 11:58:37 <Alberth> projects/generate or projects/generate.vbs 11:59:55 <johannes__> ok, it told me that a header was missing in the source.list... however, this header is only used for an external tool I created 12:00:40 <johannes__> how do I tell projects/generate that this header is not meant to be compiled into OpenTTD? 12:01:29 <Alberth> don't put foreign files into openttd? 12:02:33 <johannes__> ok, but that one exporter shares some files with openttd 12:03:10 <johannes__> so should I really put the exporter into an extra repo and then do something like "make PATH_TO_OPENTTD=../openttd" ? 12:04:31 <johannes__> or should we, instead, offer a "src/external_tools" ? 12:11:31 <Alberth> you could look at how eg strgen works there 12:22:44 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@D97B8CD4.cm-3-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:24:29 <johannes__> hmm it's listed in ./projects/strgen_vs100.vcxproj.filters 12:24:36 <planetmaker> johannes__, add it to *your* global .gitignore 12:25:08 <johannes__> planetmaker: I could, but what if I'll make another repository where PDF files are stored? 12:25:30 <planetmaker> you ignore all pdf except those which you explicitly track 12:25:37 <planetmaker> tracked files are never ignored 12:25:42 <johannes__> what I rather need would be a second .gitignore in the source tree, but I think that's not possible 12:26:04 <Alberth> that sounds weird for a DVCS 12:26:33 <johannes__> planetmaker: would be a solution, though I might then forget to commit PDF files 12:27:07 <Alberth> ignore the precise path? 12:27:32 <Alberth> unless you name all your PDF files the same :) 12:28:52 <johannes__> you mean the absolute system path? 12:29:31 <Alberth> but it's still weird; it means the central repo would need to have ignored files for all IDEs that dump data in the directory??? 12:30:16 <Alberth> ie add ".eclipse-something" because a developer uses eclipse??? 12:31:03 <Alberth> or "vcs-studio-whatever" because someone is using visual studio? 12:32:16 <johannes__> I'm not sure what you mean, but it does not sound like a good solution ;) 12:32:38 <Alberth> and nobody in the entire DVCS community stumbled upon this problem, and figured out a solution? 12:33:00 <johannes__> I think I'll just make a "work" subfolder in my openttd directory, where I add my own .gitignore 12:36:53 <planetmaker> though I wonder: why do you have PDFs in the OpenTTD dir? 12:41:01 <Wolf01> frosch123, how do you split the stuff with logistic robots? I mean, I have some passive providers at a central station, and I would like to have a cache after some distance, the cache should be a provider too, but if it's a provider it can't be a requester 12:41:35 <johannes__> planetmaker: they just came from the railroad network graph exporter, just outfiles that should not be checked in 12:44:49 <frosch123> Wolf01: i hate logistic robots :) i only use them for chest<->character transport 12:46:00 <Wolf01> I use them on all the new outposts and I started to convert the main base too 12:48:02 *** Gjax [~martin@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:58:21 <johannes__> If you write an external tool, which is located in the openttd source tree, is there a need to follow the openttd coding conventions? 13:00:48 <frosch123> likely there isn't. but using a good coding style always helps :p 13:03:10 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-138-243-38.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 13:10:26 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-138-243-38.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:11:02 <Samu> I cant do this :( 13:12:01 <Samu> i thought this would be simple 13:12:14 <Samu> duplicating code is turning into hell 13:13:00 <andythenorth> Samu: itâs never simple :D 13:14:17 <Samu> i need to undestand the structure currently in place 13:14:34 <Samu> especially the _sl part 13:15:18 <Samu> and this part is basically the whole point of saveload.cpp 13:15:47 <andythenorth> will andythenorth play openttd? 13:15:54 <andythenorth> or download the factorio demo again? 13:16:35 <Samu> i need a second dumper to copy the game state into there 13:17:38 <Samu> the pointers or whatever must know which dumper to write to 13:18:04 <Samu> i dont want it to create a second dumper only to have it write to the first _( 13:18:13 <Samu> how do I make this happen 13:25:16 <frosch123> andythenorth: buy more lego? 13:25:35 <andythenorth> frosch123 lego is currently for selling not buying :) 13:25:59 <Wolf01> wrong answer 13:27:29 <frosch123> the world is changing :p 13:28:06 <andythenorth> once lego is sold, lego can be bought 13:28:18 <andythenorth> itâs some kind of rain/sun, ying/yang thing 13:28:29 <andythenorth> all must be balanced 13:29:46 * andythenorth bbl etc 13:29:47 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-138-243-38.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 13:33:34 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@D97B8CD4.cm-3-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:36:34 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 13:37:19 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-157-231.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 13:42:07 <Samu> some comments in the code is funny 13:42:11 <Samu> * Do something of which I have no idea what it is :P 13:43:38 <Samu> it is calculating an autolength for a stub chunk handler i think 13:49:00 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@D97B8CD4.cm-3-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:53:10 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 13:55:04 <michi_cc> johannes__: There's also .git/info/excludes as a repo-specific, but non-tracked ignore file. 14:00:57 *** Ketsuban [~ketsuban@2a02:c7d:a34a:9000:1967:77b8:b688:9e34] has joined #openttd 14:13:31 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@D97B8CD4.cm-3-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:18:24 <Samu> bah, what i didn't want to do is what I have to do 14:18:32 <Samu> deal with all the chunks 14:18:43 <Samu> how many chunks are there in a save? 50? 14:20:08 <Samu> there's even chunks inside chunks 14:23:08 *** Gjax [~martin@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 14:27:37 *** Pikka [~Octomom@220.240.120.137] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:43:45 <Samu> i give up, too confusing for me 14:43:48 <Samu> t.t 14:45:34 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@D97B8CD4.cm-3-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:47:58 <Samu> i dont want to edit all and every chunk to make this work :( 14:48:19 <Samu> so, i'm stopping for now 14:53:05 <frosch123> don't touch the chunks :) 14:53:23 <frosch123> autosave works by first saving an uncompressed save into a memory buffer 14:53:38 <frosch123> compression and writing to disk can then happen in parallel while the game advances 14:54:29 <frosch123> it sounds like you try to make the chunks while the game advances, but that won't work 14:54:39 <frosch123> you cannot make a snapshot of a moving source 15:01:59 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@D97B8CD4.cm-3-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 15:09:05 <johannes__> michi_cc: Many thanks, that worked 15:09:32 <johannes__> Btw: How close are you guys looking at the coding guidelines if one submits a patch? 15:09:54 <Alberth> very close :) 15:09:56 <johannes__> I recall comitting for the Qt community, they were criticizing every single brace that was wrong :P 15:10:04 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@D97B8CD4.cm-3-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:10:13 <johannes__> are you also looking at every single brace? :D 15:10:18 <Alberth> yes 15:10:19 <frosch123> if it fails with whitespace, chances are high i won't even look at it 15:10:35 <frosch123> (as in tabs vs spaces) 15:11:52 <johannes__> e.g. I saw tons of "if (x) y;" in the code, though the guidelines say "if (x) { <newline> y; <newline> }" 15:12:50 <frosch123> yeah, sometimes the guideline is wrong :p 15:13:18 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@D97B8CD4.cm-3-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 15:13:50 <Wolf01> the guideline is never wrong 15:13:57 <frosch123> both "if (x) y;" and "if (x) {\ny;\n}" are fine. but "if (x)\ny;" is not 15:15:32 <Samu> frosch123: I was trying to find a way to have 2 dumps in memory 15:15:42 <Wolf01> also conditionals without braces have a high chance of obfuscation, this is not the case but I've seen people writing everything on one line (multiple statements) and then bitch because "one statement is always executed even if the condition is false" 15:16:28 <Samu> and have 2 writers working, 1 for each dump 15:16:46 <Samu> but I can't manage to create 2 dumps :8 15:16:50 <frosch123> Wolf01: while it is true that some coding styles try to prevent newbie-errors. ottd's style does not 15:17:23 <frosch123> Samu: don't try to create the dumps in parallel 15:17:31 <frosch123> just store the result in different places 15:19:08 <frosch123> Samu: split SaveLoadParams into what is used for the Dumper, and another part which is used for compression 15:19:36 <frosch123> MemoryDumper *dumper; <- this is already a pointer, you can just transfer it to the other structure when the dump is done, and you can start compression 15:22:40 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-138-243-38.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:23:57 <Wolf01> andy, did you already purchase the maze? 15:24:14 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483bd7.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:25:13 <Samu> so, your idea is to re-use the dumper currently active, and prevent it from being deleted by the first writer? 15:26:08 <andythenorth> Wolf01: ? 15:27:04 <Wolf01> http://shop.lego.com/en-GB/Maze-21305?_requestid=3172978 15:27:27 <johannes__> frosch123: when should a file start with /* $Id$ */ ? 15:29:31 <Wolf01> ha! I just found that the vip points have the same value with different currency, I have 130⬠and £130, which obviously is not the same 15:30:19 <andythenorth> Wolf01: ha we have a wooden maze like that, itâs a very annoying puzzle 15:30:22 <Alberth> johannes__: always, to get the revision in the file 15:30:23 <andythenorth> wonât be buying that :) 15:30:39 <Wolf01> I have a wooden one too :) 15:30:39 <johannes__> Alberth: ok 15:31:11 <johannes__> Alberth: even if the file is only part of an external utility? 15:32:13 <Alberth> you want to add files to the repo that cannot be used? 15:32:33 <Alberth> what does the project want with those? 15:34:12 <Wolf01> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbaD2-2Ktwc the bgm reminds me of train fever 15:35:44 <johannes__> Alberth: I don't tknow, should external tools be built/shipped with the core? 15:38:28 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: i don't quite see the connection 15:38:39 <Wolf01> about at 2 minutes 15:39:04 <Alberth> I have absolutely no idea what you're doing or trying to do. At that question in the general sense, my answer would be no, just like it doesn't ship with an OS 15:39:32 <Alberth> or a desktop or a compiler or a debugger, and so on 15:40:06 *** MonkeyDronez [~Monkey@84.255.150.25] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:40:39 <Alberth> at least until we make an OpenTTD OS :) 15:41:55 <Wolf01> just ship it with dos and enough drivers to use expanded memory, sound and networking 15:42:25 <sim-al2> Isn't expanded memory on DOS like 1 Mb instead of 640 kb? 15:43:18 <Wolf01> it's just to load drivers and left all the possible ram to the application 15:43:31 <Wolf01> leave 15:43:52 <Eddi|zuHause> sim-al2: there was expanded and extended memory, but i don't remember which was which 15:44:50 <sim-al2> Oh ok, my first computer was a Windows 98 machine with at least 64 Mb of RAM (Not 100% sure on that, might have been more) 15:44:55 <Eddi|zuHause> sim-al2: but in general, most of the 640-1024MB range was reserved for the OS, and the parts after that could be used again 15:45:12 <sim-al2> I don't miss Win 98's weirdness much tbh 15:45:16 <Eddi|zuHause> err... not MB, kB 15:45:47 <Alberth> when memory was counted in sane quantities :p 15:46:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i have 12GB. and then there are 32bit processes that run out of their 4GB range 15:46:32 <Wolf01> yes, it's extended, not expansed, my fault 15:46:40 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483bd7.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 15:46:44 <Wolf01> *expanded 15:46:47 *** Sylf [~sylf@c-71-199-78-95.hsd1.mo.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:47:44 <sim-al2> I did use a school computer with Win 3.1 on it, rather interesting interface 15:47:58 <Wolf01> I started using computers with win 3.1 15:48:24 <johannes__> Alberth: what I write is a tool which converts dumps (that you can create with openttd) into pdf files 15:48:28 <Eddi|zuHause> when i started to get into computers, we had DOS 5.0 15:48:31 <Wolf01> or better, I started from dos, because playing with windows wasn't really possible 15:48:37 <johannes__> Alberth: should that be shipped with openttd or not? 15:48:57 <Eddi|zuHause> that was before they screwed everything up with DOS 6.xx 15:49:17 <Eddi|zuHause> after which we switched to Novell DOS 7 15:49:22 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has quit [Quit: Quitting.] 15:49:45 <Eddi|zuHause> which was a slight problem for games which relied on microsoft bugs... 15:50:45 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-138-243-38.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 15:51:50 <Alberth> johannes__: I would say the dump should be text (in an as simple format as possible), so anyone can write a program. Your program then becomes one of the options. 15:52:04 <sim-al2> I did like how MacOS 7, 8, and 9 look really similar 15:52:27 <johannes__> Alberth: it's binary dump, a human could not infer much of these numbers anyways 15:52:34 <sim-al2> At least until you went to load a program up, or start Netscape Navigator... 15:53:06 <johannes__> Alberth: also, the converter needs many arguments, and I don't want to add them to the openttd argument list 15:53:50 <Alberth> say I want a different format than pdf 15:54:06 <Alberth> how do I do that? 15:54:20 <Alberth> bla --> pdf sounds so very closed 15:54:35 <johannes__> it's actually binary-dump -> .dot -> PDF 15:54:54 <johannes__> however, there will be an argument to the tool to make binary-dump -> tikz -> PDF 15:55:08 <Alberth> right, so it produces a graph? 15:55:19 <Alberth> you can write a graph as text, right? 15:55:24 <johannes__> yes 15:55:32 <johannes__> .dot is a text format 15:55:37 <Alberth> I know 15:55:48 <Alberth> I wonder if .dot is the right solution here 15:56:07 <johannes__> it's not :) 15:56:25 <johannes__> I just use it temporarily, because it's easy 15:56:32 <Alberth> I am not wondering about quality, just openness 15:56:56 <johannes__> the future way will be to use tikz 15:57:10 <johannes__> tikz allows more nice features 15:57:26 <Alberth> in my view, openttd should write the data in an open format where people can write their own programs for further processing 15:58:11 <Alberth> I think your needs would be better served with keeping that processing separate from openttd 15:58:19 <johannes__> the format of the binary dump is open (and easy to understand) 15:58:24 <Alberth> eg a project at the devzone 15:58:38 <Samu> frosch123: how do I [16:19] <frosch123> Samu: split SaveLoadParams into what is used for the Dumper, and another part which is used for compression, sorry for being noob 15:59:40 <johannes__> Alberth: I don't see the point, since the binary dump could be used by any other script, so they are completely open 16:00:03 <Alberth> yeah, my main worry is that number of people that can write a program that reads a file with ascii numbers is >>> than number of people that can write a program that reads binary values 16:00:32 <Eddi|zuHause> XML! 16:00:38 <Samu> 1 structure for the dumper 16:00:58 <Samu> 1 structure for the compression, but the compression accesses the same code the dumper also accesses :( 16:01:39 * johannes__ disagrees 16:01:45 <Samu> ok :( 16:01:57 <johannes__> not to you Samu :) 16:02:36 <johannes__> Alberth: binary number serializing is just a bunch of fread/fwrite calls in C, for XML/whitespace you have to do a lot of syntax parsing 16:02:42 <Alberth> how is a binary format easy to understand, and the same data in text is not? 16:02:50 <johannes__> like e.g.: is there a space before the number, is there a new tag... 16:02:50 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-138-243-38.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:02:56 <Alberth> most people do not use C 16:03:05 <Alberth> python, lua, java, c# 16:03:10 <Alberth> etc etc 16:03:34 <Alberth> fread/fwrite will fail horribly at different endian systems 16:03:36 <johannes__> Alberth: for me, as I program in C, it was by far the easiest to simply dump the data binary 16:04:11 <Alberth> fwrite(&myint) vs fprintf(.. myint) ? 16:04:34 <johannes__> well what do you propose, XML, or just the numbers space separated? 16:04:50 <Eddi|zuHause> csv? 16:04:51 <Alberth> the latter 16:05:09 <andythenorth> json 16:05:14 <Alberth> yaml 16:05:19 <andythenorth> json is the new xml 16:05:24 <Alberth> depends on what data you have 16:05:36 <andythenorth> nah, like xml, you should use it even if not appropriate 16:05:37 <Alberth> yaml is a superset of json :) 16:05:56 <andythenorth> the weird thing about json is that itâs koolaid that works 16:06:05 <johannes__> see here: https://github.com/JohannesLorenz/OpenTTD/blob/master/src/railnet/common.h 16:06:05 <Eddi|zuHause> put json into xml! 16:06:10 <andythenorth> itâs actually completely functional and usable 16:06:15 <johannes__> that's the data I need to serialize 16:06:29 <andythenorth> proving that a javascript stopped clock still tells the right time once a day 16:06:45 <johannes__> I just serialize one "struct railnet_file_info" 16:06:51 <andythenorth> meanwhile http://classicprogrammerpaintings.tumblr.com/ 16:07:41 *** Sylf [~sylf@c-71-199-78-95.hsd1.mo.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:07:45 <Alberth> json would work, by the looks of it 16:07:52 <Eddi|zuHause> johannes__: sounds like the perfect usecase for some format that supports dicts... 16:08:40 <johannes__> Let's make a competition 16:08:51 <johannes__> Everyone can submit a version equivalent to my C code 16:09:08 <johannes__> the one with the fewest linces of code wins 16:09:14 <andythenorth> wtf are âagile programming languagesâ? 16:09:19 * andythenorth reading yaml spec 16:09:26 <Alberth> oh, that's easy, just write everything at one line :p 16:09:26 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 16:09:32 <johannes__> :P 16:09:55 <johannes__> ok, the version with the smallest code which is still human readable 16:10:01 <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't played code golf in ages :p 16:10:06 <Samu> explain me what the code is doing here please https://git.openttd.org/?p=trunk.git;a=blob;f=src/saveload/saveload.cpp;h=b1a21844f355fc18dfb1b80f7b01e8df33a2b202;hb=35aa952c36ca59f3daa5800aced0125c1f1ec0f0#l2504 16:10:09 <andythenorth> oic http://radio-weblogs.com/0102677/2003/04/04.html 16:10:44 <Samu> _sl.sf->Write((byte*)hdr, sizeof(hdr)); 16:10:48 <Samu> what is this line doing 16:11:13 <Alberth> the fact that you produce json doesn't mean you need to have a json library for encoding, the output must just match the json syntax, so just some printfs will do the trick 16:11:19 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: just what i expected. a pointless buzzword 16:11:40 <Eddi|zuHause> definition by example. 16:11:41 <Alberth> Samu: random guess, it write the header 16:11:48 <johannes__> Yes but your code must also be able to read the code 16:12:05 <johannes__> or read the dump/text-file 16:12:15 <johannes__> read + write 16:12:21 <andythenorth> someone missed the memo on âagile is many things, but itâs not specific toolsâ :P 16:12:37 <Samu> _sl.sf = fmt->init_write(_sl.sf, compression); 16:13:40 <andythenorth> also, this, I wish to avoid http://behaviourdriven.org/BehaviourDrivenDevelopment 16:13:41 <Alberth> johannes__: and you're afraid there is no json library for an arbitrary language? http://json.org/ bottom of the page 16:13:45 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: it's the perfect way to have a word to mean exactly what you want it to mean, and flame everybody who doesn't have the exact same interpretation 16:14:00 <johannes__> Alberth: I'm not 16:14:24 <johannes__> Alberth: I just think it will produce much larger code than a bunch of fwrite/fread 16:14:42 <andythenorth> hmm 16:14:48 <andythenorth> maybe I should port eints to Bootstrap 3 16:14:49 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: my buzzometer just exploded 16:15:04 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: I had to hit a panic button 16:15:20 <andythenorth> there is something in there somewhere about software contracts 16:15:39 <andythenorth> and âBusiness and Technology must use the same languageâ 16:16:27 <Eddi|zuHause> that's a perfect plan to ensure that neither side understands what they're talking about :p 16:16:31 <johannes__> If we make this a coding golf, I guess the language must be in C ? 16:16:58 <Samu> hum... :( 16:17:03 * andythenorth is glad he doesnât work in a proper software business 16:17:12 <johannes__> even if you use another language, the openttd core is in C, so the code must show how to easily use the C data 16:17:17 <Samu> i don't understand what frosch123 meant with split the parameters 16:17:29 <Samu> i dont know what is to be splited 16:17:30 <Alberth> how is replacing fwrite() by a bunch of printf() much larger in code? 16:18:04 <Alberth> or are you talking at the reading side? 16:18:09 <Samu> how do i find what the Dumper uses? 16:18:21 <Samu> so confusing 16:18:24 <johannes__> for the writing thing, I guess it's not much harder 16:18:32 <johannes__> yes, for the reading thing... 16:18:36 <Alberth> Python: import json; data = json.load('blah_file') done 16:19:00 <frosch123> Samu: only SaveFileToDisk runs in a thread 16:19:30 <frosch123> remove everything that SaveFileToDisk needs from _sl, and put it into a structure that is passed to SaveFileToDisk 16:19:39 <johannes__> Alberth: you're saying write the data with C, but import with Python? 16:19:51 <Samu> so that's what I was attempting to do 16:20:02 <Samu> I had a _sm structure 16:20:16 <Samu> but ended up having to deal with chunks somehow 16:20:18 <frosch123> in the end you will likely have the Dumper ni both structures 16:20:27 <Alberth> johannes__: they're two different programs with a common file format, why would the read need to be in the same language? 16:20:31 <Eddi|zuHause> johannes__: i think what he's saying is that other people that might want to write a different visualization module might write that in python 16:20:40 <frosch123> first you do the dump, then you transfer the dumper to the other structure and start the thread 16:20:44 <Alberth> also, find a C library for json 16:21:32 <Alberth> json.org only has 21 available 16:22:00 <johannes__> Alberth: that doesn't count, the json library has many lines of code :P 16:22:09 <Samu> _sm structure was however, an entire copy of _sl 16:22:21 <Samu> i don't know how to distinguish what's needed for the dump 16:22:33 <Alberth> right, and you write the dot -> pdf convertor from the ground up too? 16:22:44 <Alberth> or the C runtime library? 16:23:25 <Alberth> most likely, most linucs have a libjson by default already 16:23:29 <johannes__> Alberth: it maybe doable with json, but then everyone will need an additional dependency (a jason library) 16:23:49 <johannes__> How is it more freedom/openness then if you force people to use a json library? 16:23:51 <Alberth> no, python json is in the standard library 16:24:08 <johannes__> C/C++ json is not 16:24:12 *** Arveen [~Arveen@ip-95-223-75-47.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 16:24:18 <_dp_> working with json in C is painful, it completely lacks necessary types 16:24:52 <Alberth> johannes__: why do you think only C is a viable language for programming ? 16:25:14 <johannes__> Alberth: I don't think, but you also have to think about C/C++ programmers... 16:25:46 <johannes__> has bash json by default? 16:25:55 <johannes__> it's not built-in I guess 16:26:06 <_dp_> though even in C I'd still prefer to work with json then some custom bs format 16:26:10 <frosch123> Samu: comment out SaveFileToDisk, then remove members from _sl until it no longer compiles :p 16:26:14 <Alberth> bash? that's a command processor 16:26:27 <Alberth> aka shell 16:26:39 <Alberth> unless you type commands in json :p 16:26:42 <Samu> hmm ok let's see what happens 16:27:01 * andythenorth is perplexed :) 16:27:04 <johannes__> you can use bash with scripts, and then it's a language, too 16:27:34 <Alberth> well, if you insist, json is an open documented format, go ahead, write a json parser in bash 16:27:40 <johannes__> next thing is perl... I guess you can install a module, but do you have it by default? 16:28:03 <Alberth> I have perl, but not by choice 16:28:18 <Alberth> some programs at my machine think they need it :( 16:29:10 <johannes__> I think it's optional: http://search.cpan.org/dist/JSON/ 16:29:52 <johannes__> and JAVA also has no JSON by default... 16:30:18 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~farci@i59F6CDA.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:30:30 <Alberth> it's a text format, open and documented, if you want you can write a json library yourself 16:30:53 <johannes__> yes, but that takes much more time than writing a few fread calls :P 16:31:07 <johannes__> (and these are more LOCs than) 16:31:48 <andythenorth> well 16:31:54 <Alberth> oh dear, maybe you shouldn't have started hacking openttd at all, that would have saved sooo much time 16:32:06 * andythenorth considers playing OpenTTD 16:32:20 <andythenorth> I have saved a lot of time by not working on NotRoadTypes this week 16:32:21 <johannes__> at least boost has a json library... 16:32:22 <Alberth> sounds more productive andy :) 16:33:30 * andythenorth is diligently deleting browser bookmarks 16:36:14 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6D832.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:41:47 <johannes__> can I add boost as a dependency to openttd? It would only be needed for the (optional) json dumper then 16:42:40 <frosch123> openttd does not bundle any tools 16:42:44 <frosch123> they are all separate 16:43:11 <johannes__> the dumper is inside a video driver 16:43:16 <johannes__> it must be in the core 16:43:47 <Alberth> just printf() json text 16:44:32 <frosch123> openttd sends json between admin port and game scripts 16:44:50 <frosch123> json is not unknown to ottd 16:45:07 <V453000> I sinned :D did first digging into factorio mods ... just edited existing one, but ... 16:45:18 <V453000> in compare to NML, this is ultra convenient and easy 16:45:24 <johannes__> I see... 16:45:35 <Alberth> :O V :D 16:45:45 <frosch123> V453000: did you add diagonal belts? :p 16:46:10 <V453000> https://forums.factorio.com/viewtopic.php?f=87&t=13082&start=20#p149353 16:49:56 <Alberth> factorio modding wide open ! 16:51:44 <frosch123> V453000: no slugs 16:52:02 <frosch123> all highest tier equipment should involve slugs 16:52:31 <frosch123> slugs are tier 2 lubricant 16:53:52 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-138-243-38.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 16:56:51 <Wolf01> also transportable 16:58:17 <Wolf01> also why not a solar panel which works at night with the reflexed heat of the greenhouse effect? more you pollute, more energy you get 16:59:25 <Samu> arf, i can't do this 16:59:52 <Samu> the dump needs everything from SaveLoadParams 16:59:59 <Samu> except the bool error 17:00:48 <Wolf01> V453000, could you answer about my question of the signals? (signals in gui 2 lights, placed 3 lights; chain signals in gui 3 lights, placed 1 light) 17:01:00 <Wolf01> s/of/about 17:01:12 <V453000> fixed in .13 17:01:17 <Wolf01> good 17:01:18 <V453000> GG 17:01:42 *** Clockworker_ [Clockworke@177.2.175.68] has joined #openttd 17:01:43 *** Clockworker [Clockworke@177.2.175.68] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:07:53 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:07:56 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:09:29 *** Arveen [~Arveen@ip-95-223-75-47.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #openttd 17:20:07 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-138-243-38.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:27:18 <andythenorth> FIRS does not have lubricant 17:27:20 <andythenorth> maybe it should 17:27:23 <Samu> sorry, i can't do this 17:27:25 <andythenorth> or muolluscs 17:27:26 <Samu> better stop 17:27:28 <andythenorth> molluscs * 17:29:55 <Samu> you have already told me what to do, but I can't figure out, it's time to give up :( 17:31:19 <Samu> the dumper and the compressor work together, i can't figure a way to split them 17:36:50 <Samu> the problem starts even before the chunks are in memory 17:37:00 <Alberth> supplies are lubricant? 17:37:33 <Samu> DoSave function is giving me a headache, :o 17:37:52 <Alberth> yes, openttd code is complicated 17:38:08 <Alberth> it's not the best way to learn programming 17:38:41 *** Sacro [~ben@000127ee.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:38:54 <Alberth> or even not good as first program to hack in 17:39:56 *** Sacro [~ben@ns364742.ip-94-23-0.eu] has joined #openttd 17:44:38 * andythenorth is learning to program with openttd :) 17:44:44 <andythenorth> maybe 17:45:45 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27540 trunk/src/lang/hebrew.txt (2016-04-16 19:45:37 +0200 ) 17:45:46 <DorpsGek> -Update from Eints: 17:45:47 <DorpsGek> hebrew: 40 changes by dnd_man 18:17:09 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:30:53 *** qwebirc48165 [~oftc-webi@i5DB53187.pool.tripleplugandplay.com] has joined #openttd 18:36:02 <qwebirc48165> Hi, I've got a question about newgfx: The downloads section of openttd.org points to version 0.5.2, but bundles.openttdcoop.org has version 0.5.4. which is used by the corresponding arch linux package. Did someone forget to update the main page or is this done deliberately? 18:36:54 <Alberth> ^ planetmaker 18:37:39 <Alberth> (not at all certain he'll show up any time soon, but he'll read it at some time) 18:38:21 <qwebirc48165> The ingame 'check online content' function wants to update to 0.5.2 from 0.5.4 as well. 18:39:05 <Alberth> so it seems uploaded to bananas (the online content system) at least 18:39:46 <qwebirc48165> @Alberth: No, it wants to 'update' to the older version 18:40:15 <Alberth> hmm, silly thing :p 18:40:48 <Alberth> but in general, it should be safe to use the latest version that you can find 18:41:31 <Alberth> changes are quite small, normally, you'll hardly notice them :) 18:43:10 <Alberth> check the changelog otherwise 18:44:04 <andythenorth> is cat 18:45:01 <Alberth> probably 18:46:58 * andythenorth makes more UI library 18:47:20 <andythenorth> probably 48 hours work in this since Tuesday :D 18:47:24 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:47:45 <andythenorth> + the thinking when asleep :D 18:49:36 *** Ketsuban [~ketsuban@2a02:c7d:a34a:9000:1967:77b8:b688:9e34] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:57:06 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 18:57:29 <Alberth> sleeping and still working :) 18:58:14 *** zeknurn` [~sup@hd9483bd7.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 18:59:28 <Samu> well, i had another goal 19:00:34 <Samu> the lzo "unexpected end of chunk" - how to deal with this, it only happens on the release x64 build 19:00:48 <Samu> debug x64 and all the others work fine 19:02:46 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 19:02:57 <Samu> it fails to load the first chunk, GLOG and then just says broken savegame, which isn't true 19:03:10 <Samu> it's not broken, it loads on the other builds 19:03:11 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483bd7.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:03:11 *** zeknurn` is now known as zeknurn 19:05:34 <Samu> if i can fix the lzo, i'll use the lzo filter instead of zlib 19:05:38 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 19:05:47 <Samu> it's even faster 19:06:40 <frosch123> you can try run them with valgrind, assuming you use an os suitable for software development 19:07:05 <frosch123> alternatively you can add tons of printf/couts and compare the output of debug/release build 19:07:22 <frosch123> and try to figure out where they diverge 19:08:21 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-138-243-38.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:08:23 *** aard [~aard@108.134.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 19:09:00 <Samu> windows 10 19:09:39 <frosch123> so you do not even have a tool to compare text output :p 19:11:30 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 19:30:13 <johannes__> is there any tool to say: all trains of that group / that shared order list should have three passenger waggons and two post waggons? 19:31:15 <johannes__> any ctrl+click or something? 19:31:20 <frosch123> search for templated-based-autoreplace on the forums 19:36:12 <johannes__> the patch never made it into the game, right? 20:10:29 *** frosch123 [~frosch@00013ce7.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 20:16:46 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: There's a real world out here!] 20:17:10 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:29:30 *** johannes__ [~johannes@port-92-203-159-105.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:40:31 *** Arveen [~Arveen@ip-95-223-75-47.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 20:41:18 *** aard [~aard@108.134.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:43:47 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 20:44:16 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 20:44:23 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 20:45:52 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.136.141.100] has joined #openttd 20:52:43 *** qwebirc48165 [~oftc-webi@i5DB53187.pool.tripleplugandplay.com] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:59:18 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 21:03:07 *** aard [~aard@108.134.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 21:03:54 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has quit [] 21:09:52 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 21:16:49 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@D97B8CD4.cm-3-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:29:35 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.136.141.100] has quit [] 21:37:20 *** supermop [~supermop@pool-100-37-203-161.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 21:46:56 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 21:48:20 <Samu> some variables are being writen as int8, some others are byte, i wonder if it makes a difference 21:57:46 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:10:50 *** Ketsuban [~ketsuban@2a02:c7d:a34a:9000:a407:e9be:afb3:515] has joined #openttd 22:11:40 <peter1138> signed vs unsigned 22:12:26 <Samu> ok i think i found the chunk that causes problems for lzo 22:12:30 <Samu> it's MAPT 22:12:38 <Samu> can't be 100% sure though 22:18:19 <Samu> Load_MAPT() 22:18:56 <Samu> i was checking two visual studios side by side, one with debug x64, the other with release x64 22:19:17 <Samu> debug went through MAP5 and beyond 22:19:37 <Samu> MAPT is before MAP5, and i don't recall release x64 doing anything after MAPT 22:20:05 <Samu> what could this all mean' 22:20:41 <Samu> i noticed they were following different code paths 22:20:53 <Samu> but eventually were turning the same values anyway, up until there 22:21:35 <Samu> some values were optimized, can't see them 22:29:31 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: There's a real world out here!] 22:41:08 <Samu> question 22:42:14 <Samu> when a bool, like _sl.autosaveinprogress isn't assigned a value, what does it default to? 22:42:18 <Samu> true? or false? 22:44:12 *** gelignite [~gelignite@x4db54cab.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/1kso8Ta] 22:46:46 <Samu> struct SaveLoadParams { bla; bla; bla; etc; bool autosaveinprogress; }; 22:46:49 <Samu> static SaveLoadParams _sl; 22:47:37 <Samu> hmm? 22:49:28 *** aard [~aard@108.134.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:56:56 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@y32.ip1.anvianet.fi] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Would you like to know more?] 22:59:24 *** Sacro [~ben@000127ee.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:18:11 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 23:18:14 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 23:18:47 <planetmaker> Samu, it's undefined behaviour and might be platform and/or compiler-dependent. 23:24:45 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:24:59 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19F89.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:26:23 *** Gjax_ [~martin@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 23:26:23 *** Gjax [~martin@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]