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it was useless? 13:26:34 <peter1138> what who 13:31:43 <Eddi|zuHause> doctor? 13:40:34 *** supermop [~supermop@static-71-249-209-97.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 13:43:48 <supermop> good morning 13:49:19 <Rubidium> good evening 13:51:01 <supermop> asia megacity weather today 13:51:18 <supermop> 70 now with high of 79, but hazy and very humid 13:51:33 <supermop> makes me wish i was in Sai Gon 13:52:00 <Rubidium> oh, then it's really cool here... only 40 13:53:20 <supermop> ha 13:53:33 <supermop> thankfully not 40 yet here 13:53:55 <Rubidium> but then, I am in asia megacity (I'd guess) 13:54:01 <supermop> just a week and a half ago it was still as cold as 40 here and i was wishing it would be as hot as 40 13:54:27 <supermop> which one? 13:55:04 <Rubidium> the 8th Asian one by size 13:55:20 <supermop> ha by what sizing criteria? 13:55:40 <supermop> counting surrounding provincial population, or city proper only? 13:55:59 <Eddi|zuHause> it's barely even 10 here 13:56:09 <supermop> should have worn shorts to the office here 13:56:11 <Rubidium> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megacity <- that definition 13:56:18 <supermop> Eddi|zuHause: at least it's not 10 13:56:50 <supermop> im in the 8th overall by that chart then 13:58:31 <Rubidium> when I go to home I'll get in the "other", less sweaty 40 degrees 13:59:14 <supermop> surprised berlin didn't crack that list 13:59:27 <supermop> seems like it would have a wide enough outlying area 13:59:44 <Eddi|zuHause> berlin has only like 4.5 million 14:00:02 <Eddi|zuHause> (i think it peaked in the 1920s with 6 million) 14:00:37 <Eddi|zuHause> turns out, massive war destruction and divided isolation isn't good for city growth 14:00:43 * Rubidium wonders what belongs to a city and what doesn't belong to a city 14:01:08 <Rubidium> e.g. Enschede is said to be in the outskirts of Amsterdam, but that would imply it is relatively close, right? 14:01:34 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: no, just that there's hardly any non-urban area inbetween 14:01:50 <supermop> Rubidium: opinions differ on that 14:02:56 <Rubidium> well, there's a bit of about 30 kilometer with effectively nothing but forest between Amsterdam and Enschede 14:02:57 <supermop> a lot of people count New York in a way that gives it only like 9 million instead of the 23 or so on that list 14:03:10 <Eddi|zuHause> supermop: germany was never as centralized as england or france, so berlin was never that much of an attention center to attract 10 million people on its own. the only german mega-city is the ruhr-area, where many smaller cities basically merged into one metropolitan area 14:03:48 <supermop> Rubidium: i'd say 30 km of forest definitely is the border of the urban area 14:04:07 <Rubidium> also, Enschede is at the German border at the opposite side of the country as Amsterdam 14:04:13 <Eddi|zuHause> supermop: there's also a counting which includes Boston, New York and Washington areas into "Bosnywash" 14:04:36 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: that just means your country is tiny :p 14:05:11 <supermop> Eddi|zuHause: i'd say any city that takes 8 hours by fastest train to traverse on one axis and 20 minutes on the other axis is stretching the definition a bit 14:05:31 <supermop> by car more like 12 hours 14:05:51 <Eddi|zuHause> supermop: but how much of the area that you cross from washington to boston is "rural"? 14:06:01 <supermop> and spans 3-4 different climates 14:06:21 <supermop> there are a lot of less developed pockets in central NJ 14:06:24 *** Clockworker [~Clockwork@189-10-214-27.paemt701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:06:26 <supermop> around princeton 14:06:39 *** Clockworker [~Clockwork@189-10-214-27.paemt701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #openttd 14:07:12 <supermop> the overall density of NJ is high and homogeneous at a large scale, but on the town or neighborhood scale it is like swiss cheese 14:07:27 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 14:07:32 <supermop> same with parts of maryland on the drive between here and DC 14:09:04 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:09:07 <Eddi|zuHause> supermop: anyway, the point was that this definition of "megacity" doesn't stop at political city borders, but includes neighbouring cities 14:09:35 <Eddi|zuHause> so if the city of new york has 9 million, the other 12 million come from other cities, like across the river 14:10:35 <supermop> and on long island, etc 14:11:18 <Rubidium> it's apparantly determined by commuting patterns 14:11:29 <supermop> just stating that the bos-wash concept is a bit extreme as it counts areas that dont commute with each other, and contains many pockets of undeveloped land 14:12:18 <supermop> a few people do commute between washington and NYC by shuttle flights, but that is a tiny percentage, and usually not every day all year 14:12:29 <supermop> just for certain projects or court cases 14:12:46 <Eddi|zuHause> that kinda stretches the definition of "commute" 14:13:08 <supermop> yeah, so i wouldnt count it 14:13:20 <supermop> b that definition a lot of New Yorkers 14:13:27 <supermop> "commute" to LA 14:14:14 <Eddi|zuHause> a german court recently ruled that a commute must end at one single working place, so when you work at different places, the travel to those places is considered work time 14:14:26 <supermop> also some people "commute" from Osaka to Tokyo by Shinkansen 14:14:43 <Rubidium> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiheiy%C5%8D_Belt 14:14:53 <Rubidium> is similar to your BosWash 14:15:05 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, very 14:15:27 <Rubidium> but nevertheless, it's about the average commute not the extremes 14:15:33 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 14:15:36 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 14:15:42 <Eddi|zuHause> but by that definition, you'd also merge Amsterdam and the Rhein-Ruhr area 14:16:44 <supermop> i guess it does get fuzzy in Princeton NJ, where maybe 35% of people commute to NYC, and 35% commute to Philadelphia, and the rest work locally 14:17:12 <supermop> in Connecticut no one commutes to Boston, 14:17:36 <supermop> but in Rhode Island, some Commute to Boston and some commute to Conecticut 14:17:38 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: it's even worse: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Banana 14:18:08 <supermop> Rubidium: commute over the Alps? 14:18:13 <Eddi|zuHause> crossing the north sea and the alps is really stretching it :p 14:18:37 <Rubidium> it's on Wikipedia, so it must be true 14:21:49 <supermop> It always strikes me, when I fly from my parents city in Ohio back to NYC at night, 14:21:50 <Rubidium> though Greater Copenhagen also contains Malmo 14:22:02 <Eddi|zuHause> but on this map: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bc/Population_density.png you can clearly see how differently structured decentralized germany is from centralized france 14:22:15 <supermop> that almost as soon as you take off you can start to see the glowing core of NY 14:22:31 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-172.cbu.edu] has joined #openttd 14:22:33 <Eddi|zuHause> in france you have a giant red blob, and then yellow, and in germany you have loads of tiny red blobs 14:22:35 <supermop> even though its more than 500 miles away and over a mountain range 14:23:19 <supermop> poor showing by central VN on that one 14:23:23 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: I think a major thing in there is the size of the area that is used 14:23:43 <Rubidium> e.g. Moscow and St Petersburg I would expect as red dots, but they are nowhere to be see 14:23:49 <supermop> Mekong and red river delta show up redder than I expected though 14:23:59 <Eddi|zuHause> possibly 14:24:13 <Eddi|zuHause> i guess data resolution varies by country 14:24:24 <Rubidium> also in France you see much larger areas with the same shade, so they probably used departements instead of counties that seem to be used in Germany 14:24:39 <Rubidium> in the Netherlands provinces seem to be used 14:24:41 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc80661-stap13-2-0-cust817.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 14:26:34 <supermop> damnit 14:26:59 <Rubidium> interestingly enough the Dutch metropolitan area is more or less donut shaped 14:27:12 <supermop> other night our fancy bottle of tobala mezcal we brought back from oaxaca fell off of fridge and broke 14:27:32 <Rubidium> a ring of large towns around a rural area (which is now effectively protected from urbanisation) 14:28:00 <supermop> then last night, fiance's office was broken into and computers stolen along with the other fancy bottle for mezcal, that she kept at her desk to share with team mates 14:28:18 <supermop> now we need to go back to mexico 14:28:21 <Wolf01> the curse of the mezcal bottle 14:28:58 <supermop> im sure by boss will accept all that as grounds for personal emergency trip to Mexico Ciy 14:28:59 <supermop> city 14:29:07 <Eddi|zuHause> you know you can order stuff on the internet now? 14:29:22 <supermop> not that 14:29:47 <supermop> mezcal is very expensive here 14:29:58 <Eddi|zuHause> you can probably hire mexicans over the internet, too :p 14:30:02 <supermop> these bottles were about 30 usd in mexico, 14:30:15 <supermop> and the bottles that were 20 usd there are 150 here 14:30:30 <supermop> and the small distillers dont have any us distribution 14:31:03 <Eddi|zuHause> you probably have to deal with loads of customs stuff to export/import alcohol 14:31:09 <supermop> i didnt want to ask for any wedding gifts, but i think i will put "go to mexico and get me mezcal" on the gift registry 14:31:27 <supermop> Eddi|zuHause: yes, NAFTA doesn't do us individuals any favors 14:31:50 <Rubidium> so, a round trip seems to be about 500 USD 14:32:27 <Rubidium> I reckon you may import two bottles, since it's distilled... so the price difference needs to be 250 USD 14:32:32 <Eddi|zuHause> supermop: but "over the internet" i meant something like: hire someone in mexico to go to the store and send you a package 14:33:04 <supermop> Rubidium: we get 2L 14:33:09 <Rubidium> in other words, getting it yourself is about 120 USD more expensive per bottle (assuming you can get it for cheap at the airport) 14:33:20 <supermop> so two 750ml bottles and one 500 14:34:02 <supermop> but you must account for the good cheap food one eats in Mexico 14:34:08 <Eddi|zuHause> supermop: make sure to include a letter in the package stating this is a gift for the long friendship you built 14:34:13 <supermop> haha 14:34:51 <supermop> and i will just happen to send a gift for the price of the bottles and shipping plus a little extra 14:35:01 <Rubidium> if you can't get it for cheap at the airport, you also need to include transport 14:35:08 <Eddi|zuHause> well, there's no point in sending a 20$ bottle if you have to pay 100$ customs fees 14:35:20 <Rubidium> so Eddi|zuHause's idea is better 14:35:26 <supermop> metro is about 0.05 USD 14:36:00 <Rubidium> no extortion rates for airport links like in the UK and Delhi 14:36:23 <Rubidium> although India's way better with extortion rates at other places 14:36:32 <Eddi|zuHause> and do absolutely make sure there's no receit for the actual bottle in the package :p 14:36:33 <supermop> but the best mezcal is in Oaxaca, and flights from Mexico DF to OAX are more expensive than flights from JFK to MEX 14:37:04 <supermop> so i guess i should email the Zapotec tour guide we had in Oaxaca 14:37:34 <Rubidium> I think, in general, a foreigner pays 15 to 25 times more than a local for musea/tourist attractions 14:37:42 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc80661-stap13-2-0-cust817.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: JacobD88] 14:39:20 <supermop> of course 14:40:12 <supermop> our tour guide regaled us of the time he accidentally bought a garbage bag full of weed for around 100 usd 14:40:55 <supermop> he having grown up in California assumed that would be a normal price to pay when he moved back 14:49:52 <supermop> sound like most of her work was saved though 14:53:21 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has joined #openttd 14:53:27 <andythenorth> Alberth: o/ 14:53:34 <Alberth> hi hi :) 14:53:54 <andythenorth> I am playing a BB game on a 256x256 map 14:54:03 <Alberth> :) 14:54:07 <andythenorth> I am 30 years in, and I would kind of like it to build some new industries 14:54:11 <andythenorth> I wonder if thatâs a good idea 14:54:18 <andythenorth> I could just build them myself :P 14:54:44 <Alberth> would make more sense as an industrial bee :) 14:54:57 <andythenorth> worker bee 14:55:19 <andythenorth> modular bee :P 14:55:27 <andythenorth> GS has libraries? 14:55:35 <Alberth> worker bee sounds good :) 14:55:49 <Alberth> there are GS libraries 14:55:52 *** Gjax [~martin@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 14:55:57 <andythenorth> eh, I donât want to over-engineer, just wondering if there is a case for a library of simple goals 14:55:58 <Alberth> BB doesn't use them 14:56:31 <Alberth> I don't know what the GS library does in terms of goals 14:56:40 <Alberth> maybe it already supports them 14:56:43 <supermop> complete a primary goal and it builds a secondary industry? 14:56:59 <Alberth> stuff like that, I would say 14:57:29 <andythenorth> the idea I have is not for industries as rewards 14:57:53 <andythenorth> I was thinking that the script might try and watch the number of industries, possibly dividing the map into quadrants 14:58:02 <andythenorth> and build more when itâs getting harder to assign goals 14:58:08 <andythenorth> we already do a portion of that in BB 14:58:09 <supermop> sounds good 14:58:21 <andythenorth> we track the available industry-cargo pairs iirc? 14:58:54 <Alberth> not really, we have a set of suppliers and a set of accpeting industries 14:58:58 <supermop> i was thinking the industry wouldn't be a reward, but just not crowd the map with dormant tertiary industries before their supply chains are established 14:59:11 <Alberth> but you could track how good connections can be made 14:59:22 <Alberth> or what the player prefers 15:00:03 <Alberth> supermop: those don't really exist in eg firs 15:00:13 <andythenorth> my map is running out of some industry types, BB will struggle to assign goals 15:00:41 <Alberth> it's trying to tell you to like other industries :p 15:01:02 <Alberth> but yeah, could be 15:01:14 <Alberth> I could see that as an extension 15:03:02 <andythenorth> it doesnât need to be perfect 15:03:07 <andythenorth> hmm 15:03:34 <andythenorth> I often found with flash games that some pseudo-random was as effective as a carefully figured out detailed deterministic algorithm 15:04:30 * andythenorth wonders if BB could just roll a dice every n years for founding an industry 15:04:53 <andythenorth> the only nice detail I think is essential is then assigning a goal to that industry 15:12:41 *** Ketsuban [~ketsuban@2a02:c7d:a34a:9000:312c:35b:9fe1:3af] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:16:52 <V453000> https://eu1.factorio.com/assets//img/blog/fff-135-flamethrower-turret.jpg :> 15:18:51 <Eddi|zuHause> yay for sites that just display empty pages... 15:19:10 <Alberth> looking good V! :) 15:19:13 <V453000> :D it's that direct I see 15:19:22 <V453000> <3 thanks, was a lot of work 15:20:02 <Alberth> lots of metal bits, looks used :) 15:20:38 <andythenorth> page not worky :( 15:21:07 <ST2> send the full one: https://www.factorio.com/blog/post/fff-135 15:21:08 <ST2> xD 15:21:47 <V453000> yeah 15:21:52 <Alkel_U3> it worky, but it took me like 2 minutes to get just the html, now for the imges and css 15:22:04 <Alberth> "thrower" is a bit off, perhaps, though :p 15:22:10 <V453000> something might be borken 15:22:22 <andythenorth> V453000: the lighting element is awesome 15:23:26 <Alkel_U3> everyone got so excited about the turret they totally overwhelmed the servers? :-) 15:23:26 <V453000> metal bits are factorio style Alberth :P 15:24:06 <V453000> andythenorth: yeah ... but the biggest hell was to get the thing work in sprites in factorio projection system. :) all done now 15:24:33 *** Gjax [~martin@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:25:37 <V453000> Apparently, Alkel_U3 :D 15:25:37 <V453000> idk what is going on 15:25:37 <V453000> but something is 15:26:11 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p5B0DAE69.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:27:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5B0DAE69.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:31:47 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 15:36:42 *** Clockworker_ [Clockworke@200.163.164.94] has joined #openttd 15:38:54 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc80661-stap13-2-0-cust817.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 15:43:08 *** Clockworker [~Clockwork@189-10-214-27.paemt701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:48:11 *** M-E [~M@ip4da0d6bd.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:51:36 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:52:16 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6D482.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:57:17 <supermop> andythenorth: any reason to not carry livestock in this modern silvery box car? 15:58:05 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 15:58:53 <supermop> and does milk travel better in the refridgerator car or the tanker? 16:01:01 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc80661-stap13-2-0-cust817.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: JacobD88] 16:02:02 *** Gjax [~martin@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 16:05:58 <andythenorth> supermop: does the box car refit livestock? :o :) 16:06:16 <supermop> yep! 16:06:32 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-172.cbu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:06:37 <andythenorth> ha ha 16:06:54 <andythenorth> edibles tanker and reefer have same payment curve, pick the one you like the look of 16:07:20 <andythenorth> the mantra of Iron Horse is âone obvious choiceâ 16:07:33 <andythenorth> and when there is more than once choice âpick the one you like the look of' 16:07:40 <supermop> all but passengers, clay, coal, ore, sand, scrap 16:07:47 <andythenorth> piece goods 16:07:52 <supermop> for the 160kmh boxcar 16:08:40 <supermop> might put milk in the container carrier or the gondola 16:09:03 <supermop> to carry supplies to clay pit on return trip 16:09:14 *** aard [~aard@108.134.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 16:11:44 <supermop> boxcar is 160kmh whereas livestock car is 136 16:12:03 <supermop> not planning on running this train with vulcans though 16:30:51 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~farci@i59F6C9E8.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:32:19 *** AdmiralKewl [~pcc31@49.147.164.122] has joined #openttd 16:36:18 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6D482.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:39:09 *** AdmiralKew_ [~pcc31@49.147.164.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:41:49 <supermop> Still cant bring myself to map out japanese cars 16:42:04 <supermop> maybe ill start drawing sprites for the trains 16:46:00 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.136.141.100] has joined #openttd 16:49:01 *** Progman [~progman@p57A188BB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:50:30 *** aard_ [~aard@108.134.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 16:51:31 *** aard__ [~aard@108.134.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 16:56:01 <andythenorth> supermop: eh, well maybe Iâll poke at the wagons tonight 16:56:23 <supermop> not trying to be lazy 16:56:52 <supermop> just, they dont seem particularly exottic or different from other wagons 16:57:24 <supermop> i guess one could take the 2nd or so gen wagons from pony to use as the "big" wagons 16:57:36 <andythenorth> antelope would be better 16:57:53 <supermop> yeah 16:58:01 <supermop> brb sushi time 16:58:04 <andythenorth> for antelope Iâm mostly using South African, because there is info about that available easily 16:58:11 <andythenorth> even though itâs âwrong" 17:00:49 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] 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*** Gjax [~martin@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:22:09 *** luaduck [~luaduck@cream.duck.me.uk] has joined #openttd 17:23:09 *** NGC3982 [~milda@h215n4-vj-d3.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #openttd 17:23:59 <Alberth> nah, it's only wrong if you let it :) 17:40:22 <Samu> Alberth: it says you're a GUI expert 17:40:27 <Samu> openttd credits 17:44:27 <Samu> i have a request, i'd like a summary of all companies in 1 window 17:44:57 <Samu> something similar to console command "companies" 17:45:39 <Samu> but always refreshing, to keep it updated 17:46:45 *** Belugas [~belugas@00011985.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:48:11 <Samu> yesterday I tried to put this info in the Company League Table, but can't even start 17:48:36 <Samu> i also don't know if that's the best place to display that info 17:52:17 *** Ketsuban [~ketsuban@2a02:c7d:a34a:9000:794f:1118:279f:e256] has joined #openttd 17:53:12 <Alberth> nice command, didn't know it existed :p 17:54:35 <Alberth> company league looks as good as any other window, I think 17:55:14 <glx> always refreshing is the easy part ;) 17:56:15 <glx> just dirtify the window in the game loop 18:00:13 *** frosch123 [~frosch@00013ce7.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:01:20 *** heffer_ [quassel@hyperion.fk.cx] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:01:30 <Alberth> hola 18:02:18 *** heffer [felix@hyperion.fk.cx] has joined #openttd 18:08:55 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:09:13 <frosch123> V453000: stop shooting your coworkers 18:09:47 <andythenorth> so how about ships that donât have stopped / moving states (no wake sprites)? o_O 18:11:39 <V453000> hehe 18:14:14 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:22:11 *** APTX [~APTX@aptx.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:22:23 *** APTX [~APTX@aptx.org] has joined #openttd 18:22:59 *** aard__ [~aard@108.134.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:23:02 *** aard_ [~aard@108.134.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:23:42 <Wolf01> bye 18:23:44 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 18:25:04 <supermop> ended up getting udon instead 18:35:57 <supermop> idk why i wore sambas today feet are way too hot 18:38:58 *** AdmiralKew_ [~pcc31@49.147.164.122] has joined #openttd 18:45:51 *** AdmiralKewl [~pcc31@49.147.164.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:52:41 <andythenorth> supermop Iâll look at japanese wagons 18:53:15 <supermop> well, whats the first order of business? drawing, research, or making a spreadsheet? 18:53:24 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 18:53:32 <supermop> i feel like we can use gut feeling in place of most of the research 18:54:37 <andythenorth> donât need a spreadsheet, just general style per generation 18:55:11 <andythenorth> style is composed of: 2 axle / 4 axle; long / short; squat / tall 18:55:20 <V453000> ._. 18:55:34 <V453000> I just write down gameplay specifics 18:56:06 <andythenorth> why? 18:56:09 <andythenorth> :P 18:56:20 <V453000> "ok" :D 18:56:28 <andythenorth> 3 generations, 20 / 30 / 50 units cargo 18:56:33 <andythenorth> whatâs to write down? 18:56:35 <andythenorth> :P 18:56:54 <V453000> ok if it's just wagons XD 18:58:05 <andythenorth> you are right, gameplay first 18:58:10 <andythenorth> I just did that bit already a few times 18:58:26 <supermop> 4 axle on bogies? 18:58:33 <V453000> did, and how did it turn out LO 18:58:34 <V453000> :P 18:58:54 <supermop> 3 axle for NG? i recall they had some of those 18:59:18 <andythenorth> I had to reset Horse wagons maybe twice 18:59:34 <andythenorth> fix speeds, stop pissing about with too many different capacities 18:59:35 <andythenorth> worked 18:59:46 <supermop> load speeds? 18:59:55 <andythenorth> some types have faster load speed 18:59:57 <andythenorth> itâs all automated 19:00:09 <andythenorth> some have cargo payment bonus 19:00:13 <andythenorth> again, automated 19:00:23 <supermop> i dont use the 3rd gen passenger cars as take too long to load 19:00:28 <andythenorth> interesting 19:00:31 <andythenorth> might be a bug 19:00:37 <andythenorth> I thought I fixed that? 19:00:39 <supermop> dont care if the passengers are uncomfortable 19:00:41 * andythenorth looks 19:00:45 <supermop> i think you did 19:01:10 <supermop> but i am spoiled by other sets and want my trains off the platform in 5 days or less 19:01:23 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/iron-horse/repository/revisions/aa0c5281996b 19:01:36 <andythenorth> meh, loading speed :P 19:02:35 <supermop> maybe these do load faster 19:02:50 <supermop> i only have one passenger train in this little at work game 19:03:02 <supermop> and it has a rake of 2nd gen stock 19:03:22 <supermop> may replace for a rake of slammers 19:05:33 <andythenorth> I think Iâll turn rivers off in my next game 19:05:42 <andythenorth> theyâre such a gameplay non-event :) 19:05:55 <andythenorth> absolutely useless :) 19:06:05 <Alberth> I dropped those a while back already, too annoying :) 19:06:24 <supermop> have a bit of actually work designing to do this afternoon so minimal ottd 19:06:29 <Alberth> bad for ships however :) 19:06:33 <andythenorth> nah 19:06:44 <andythenorth> you never route a ship up a river, unless you have a flat map 19:06:50 <andythenorth> locks are too hard to build 19:06:52 <Alberth> true 19:06:58 <andythenorth> 3 tiles is stupid 19:07:11 <Alberth> lots of space required indeed 19:07:12 <andythenorth> and you canât build them under bridges (I assume map has not enough bits) 19:07:25 <andythenorth> and river corners look ugly 19:08:10 <Eddi|zuHause> i think nobody actually bothered with bridges over locks 19:08:21 <Eddi|zuHause> should be no shortage of bits 19:08:59 <andythenorth> I start building locks on a river, I have to build so many canal parts to join them, thereâs no river left :P 19:09:43 *** efess [~Efess@c-24-61-64-170.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:14:12 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:14:58 *** Wolf01 [~Wolf01@host249-115-dynamic.116-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:16:39 <Wolf01> o/ 19:17:38 *** Arveen [~Arveen@ip-95-223-75-47.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #openttd 19:26:25 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, locks are terribly unwieldy 19:26:43 <andythenorth> state machine? o_O 19:26:52 <Eddi|zuHause> i didn't want to bring it up :p 19:28:54 *** Clockworker [Clockworke@187-4-31-168.paemt702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #openttd 19:34:02 *** frosch123 [~frosch@00013ce7.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 19:34:54 *** Clockworker_ [Clockworke@200.163.164.94] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:46:00 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:03:52 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 20:14:37 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x4d08e144.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 20:19:18 <Samu> one day i will be back to locks, docks, rivers and all that :o 20:19:34 <Samu> wanted to continue he work i started a year ago 20:23:07 *** Samu_ [~oftc-webi@po-217-129-255-23.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 20:23:09 <Samu_> a 20:23:28 <Samu_> â¬logs 20:23:31 <Samu_> @logs 20:23:32 <DorpsGek> Samu_: http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd 20:23:54 <Samu_> weird errors i get 20:25:21 <Samu_> the ai debug window has a button that is also shared by the ai config window 20:26:53 <Samu_> can i reuse a string from another window into the window i am editing? 20:27:36 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po-217-129-255-23.netvisao.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:27:39 <Samu_> I want the AI config window to toggle between STR_AI_CONFIG_CONFIGURE and STR_AI_DEBUG_SETTINGS 20:27:55 <Samu_> just the string 20:29:04 *** MonkeyDrone [~MonkDAce@80.88.255.44] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:30:48 <andythenorth> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UUz1zTZFfU 20:32:26 <Wolf01> seen yesterday, really impressive 20:37:24 *** Arveen [~Arveen@ip-95-223-75-47.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 20:37:47 <andythenorth> bed 20:37:47 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 20:50:52 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-172.cbu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:52:50 *** Gjax [~martin@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 21:00:09 <Samu_> what's a template command? 21:02:15 <Samu_> why's that something apparently so simple to edit becomes so hard to do in code :( 21:11:57 *** Gjax [~martin@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:23:04 *** supermop [~supermop@static-71-249-209-97.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:23:37 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@y32.ip1.anvianet.fi] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Nine out of ten l33t h4x0rz prefer it] 21:37:49 <Samu_> how do i create an empty string that isn't empty 21:37:58 <Samu_> erm... how to explain this 21:39:03 <Samu_> STR_AI_CONFIG_CHANGE :{BLACK}Select {STRING} 21:39:30 <Samu_> the {STRING} part is replaced with 21:39:33 <Samu_> STR_AI_CONFIG_CHANGE_AI :AI 21:39:42 <Samu_> or STR_AI_CONFIG_CHANGE_GAMESCRIPT :Game Script 21:40:08 <Samu_> and it becomes either Select AI or Select Game Script 21:40:37 <Samu_> I want to create some other similar thing, for the Configure button 21:40:56 <Samu_> but I don't want {BLACK} Configure 21:41:06 <Samu_> I want {STRING} 21:41:19 <Samu_> then it writes in it either Configure or Select 21:41:30 <Samu_> but it is not accepting emtpy strings 21:42:33 <Samu_> STR_AI_CONFIG_CONFIGURE : {STRING} 21:42:53 <Samu_> STR_AI_CONFIG_CONFIGURE_CONFIGURE : {BLACK}Configure 21:43:05 <Samu_> STR_AI_CONFIG_CONFIGURE_SETTINGS : {BLACK}Settings 21:43:39 <Samu_> it says STR_AI_CONFIG_CONFIGURE : {STRING} is an empty string 21:58:27 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x4d08e144.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:04:44 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:05:01 <Samu_> looks like i figured it out 22:13:38 <Samu_> bah i didn't 22:15:03 *** Progman [~progman@p57A188BB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:18:44 <Samu_> how do i change the tooltip? 22:19:07 <Samu_> NWidget(WWT_PUSHTXTBTN, COLOUR_YELLOW, WID_AIC_CONFIGURE), SetFill(1, 0), SetMinimalSize(93, 12), SetDataTip(STR_AI_CONFIG_CONFIGURE, STR_AI_CONFIG_CONFIGURE_TOOLTIP), 22:19:31 <Samu_> want to change the last STR_AI_CONFIG_CONFIGURE_TOOLTIP, to point to the right tooltip 22:20:12 <Samu_> it can be either STR_AI_CONFIG_CONFIGURE_SETTINGS_TOOLTIP or STR_AI_CONFIG_CONFIGURE_CONFIGURE_TOOLTIP 22:20:47 *** aard [~aard@108.134.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:21:13 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: There's a real world out here!] 22:45:46 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.136.141.100] has quit [] 22:50:02 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-157-231.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 22:53:10 <Samu_> i can't change tooltip :( 22:54:26 <Wolf01> 'night 22:54:43 *** Wolf01 [~Wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [] 23:10:05 <Samu_> what am i doing wrong https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pmbdhv4ft 23:10:42 *** dvim [uid22238@id-22238.tooting.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 23:12:22 <Samu_> String 0xB670 is invalid. You are probably using an old version of the .lng file 23:12:49 <Samu_> how do I fix the tooltip? 23:19:34 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 23:19:37 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 23:26:34 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:43:03 *** Samu_ [~oftc-webi@po-217-129-255-23.netvisao.pt] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:49:58 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has joined #openttd 23:51:06 *** gelignite [~gelignite@x4db59bcd.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/1kso8Ta]