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Log for #openttd on 4th July 2016:
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04:46:02  <Rook> Hey yall
04:46:17  <Rook> Anyone alive around these parts?
05:05:58  <Eddi|zuHause> not at this hour, certainly
05:11:38  <Rook> Certainly... I'm sure the date has something to do with it as well
05:11:59  <Eddi|zuHause> unlikely, as most people here are european
05:12:38  <Rook> My mistake
05:15:46  <Rook> Just thought I'd poke my head in. Starting my first OpenTTD game. Was thinking about beginning in 1850, hoping a veteran might provide some insight. Good starting point for a new player? Any particular NewGRFs you'd recommend?
05:16:32  <Eddi|zuHause> i'd not recommend starting that early
05:16:59  <Eddi|zuHause> most of the newgrfs out there start around 1920
05:17:16  <Eddi|zuHause> with the default vehicles i'd not start before 1930
05:17:46  <sim-al2> NARS 2 and UKRS2 do have some options for that early
05:17:51  <Rook> What year do you recommend?
05:17:55  <Rook> As a starting point
05:18:16  <Rook> *do yall recommend?
05:20:36  <sim-al2> I tend to start somewhat latter, like 1950 or even later, but that's because I prefer to build diesels or electrics
05:23:13  <Rook> 1950 it is
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08:04:38  <Wolf01> o/
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10:04:22  <NGC3982> http://pastebin.com/nCJWNPbv
10:05:34  <NGC3982> I downloaded 1.6.1 generic and a graphics set. I used hg to clone the graphics set to the current directory, but also to ~/.openttd/baseset (since that is actually what the readme say). I still can not start due to it not finding my graphics set.
10:06:09  <Eddi|zuHause> you downloaded the opengfx source, not the binary
10:06:20  <NGC3982> Oh
10:07:07  <Eddi|zuHause> you still have to "make" the source
10:08:29  <NGC3982> That was easy. I should have seen that :).
10:08:32  <NGC3982> Thanks Eddi.
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11:02:15  <argoneus> good morning train friends
11:04:27  <Eddi|zuHause> it's still so wrong every single time.
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14:03:21  <Alberth> moin
14:04:37  <Xaroth|Work> o/ Alberth
14:09:14  <Wolf01> o/
14:09:38  <V453000> yo
14:56:50  <Eddi|zuHause> can anyone tell me what i have 30 vassals for when they're never where i need them to be?
14:58:28  <Alberth> spreading them, increasing the chance they are where you want them?
14:58:55  <Alberth> s/chance/odds/   probably
15:08:08  <debdog> *vasall
15:10:51  <Alberth> Wikipedia doesn't seem to agree with you https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vassal
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15:15:17  <V453000> you don't write niggerr either
15:15:22  <V453000>  /racism off
15:16:50  <debdog> oops, misread the dic
15:36:47  <Samu> 3 more years for another ship ai reaching 2051
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16:54:02  <Samu> last year for DictatorAI NPF Ships
16:55:32  <Samu> i'm gonna have to wait for all other servers to reach 2051, i want to update everything to 1.6.1
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17:54:47  <Wolf01> 'night
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18:23:33  <andythenorth> o/
18:28:41  <Alberth> o/
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18:35:46  <Milek7>  GSTile::GetDistanceSquareToTile
18:36:13  <Milek7> why somebody would want distance square?
18:36:22  <Milek7> it couldn't return just distance?
18:38:00  * andythenorth wants to paste into a paletted image, ignoring a colour
18:38:01  <andythenorth> http://effbot.org/imagingbook/image.htm
18:38:37  <andythenorth> options seem to be (1) convert to rgba, use alpha channel (2) modify each pixel directly
18:38:46  <andythenorth> or (3) mask
18:39:31  <andythenorth> but I think the mask only masks the destination
18:39:36  <andythenorth> I need to mask the source
18:39:59  * andythenorth must test :P
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18:54:33  <Alberth> distance square is much cheaper to compute
18:56:05  <Alberth> gimp is probably the better tool for such things :p
18:56:53  <Alberth> that said, I'd probably build a map of the palette to convert the new colours
18:57:32  <Alberth> unless your pasted colours are outside the palette, in which case you'd end up with rgba  I think
18:58:45  <andythenorth> I wondered about mapping the palette
18:59:29  <Milek7> most cpus have fpu which can square root
18:59:37  <Milek7> unless you want to avoid floats
19:00:04  <Alberth> no sqrt is always faster than a hardware sqrt :)
19:00:26  <Alberth> and yes, openttd generally avoids floats, although for GS it doesn't matter much
19:00:59  <frosch123> it does
19:01:06  <Alberth> if you know the value you compare your distance against, it's simpler just to take the square and compare with that
19:01:09  <frosch123> for example you cannot put a float into an ailist
19:01:18  <frosch123> which means you cannot use the valuator stuff
19:01:23  <Alberth> :O
19:01:25  <frosch123> which means you cannot sort stuff by distance
19:01:46  <frosch123> in other words: all usecase for distance i can think of, are better off with distancesquare
19:01:59  <frosch123> what use is in the non-squared distance?
19:02:00  <Alberth> thanks for the update
19:02:53  <frosch123> ottd also uses distancesquare in all its computation
19:03:01  <frosch123> the non-square distance is just never needed
19:04:17  <Milek7> it shouldn't be named distancesquareD?
19:05:47  <planetmaker> \o
19:05:55  <planetmaker> o/
19:05:59  <planetmaker> ^2
19:06:12  <planetmaker> how are folks?
19:07:13  <andythenorth> lo planetmaker :)
19:08:25  <Alberth> hi hi
19:11:04  <Alberth> how are you? haven't seen you in a long time
19:18:44  <planetmaker> yeah, been pretty busy recently, and was 2.5 weeks abroad in the US - and very much preparation to do before going onto that business trip
19:19:05  <planetmaker> but the rocket did fly... so success, I guess ;)
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19:19:38  <Alberth> :o  exciting :)
19:20:39  <planetmaker> quite :)
19:22:49  <planetmaker> anything significant I did miss in the meantime?
19:25:12  <Alberth> green grass in ogfx+landscape? :)   https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1172388#p1172388
19:25:54  <planetmaker> hm, that looks less tiled
19:26:07  <planetmaker> which is a good thing, I guess
19:26:14  <Alberth> :)
19:26:44  <Alberth> difference is quite hard to tell, especially with the bottom one, 2 posts down
19:27:14  <planetmaker> yeah... not sure that shows both kinds. It only shows new, does it?
19:27:39  <Alberth> could be, I don't see any difference between tiles
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20:23:56  <FLHerne> orudge: Can we have the meetup in the channel topic?
20:24:15  <FLHerne> There must be _someone_ who hasn't heard about it yet :P
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21:57:16  <Wolf01> moin
22:18:02  <Eddi|zuHause> <debdog> *vasall <-- different languages seem to handle that differently...
22:18:48  <debdog> hatte erst 'nen typo vermutet. "vessel", da auch von schiffen die rede war
22:19:12  <debdog> so much vor different languages ;)
22:20:01  <debdog> and the ships in ottd are not where one needs them either
22:20:48  <Wolf01> still arguing about that?
22:22:05  <debdog> nahh, just explaining myslef. no talk about that while you've been gone :)
22:22:28  <Eddi|zuHause> i just came back
22:22:36  <Eddi|zuHause> so i picked up where i left off
22:23:12  <Eddi|zuHause> and nobody cares about the on-topic discussion inbetween :p
22:23:40  <debdog> which discussion?
22:23:58  <Eddi|zuHause> exactly.
22:24:09  <Wolf01> just came back too :P
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23:20:57  <Wolf01> 'night
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