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07:29:55  <Wolf01> o/
07:30:12  <MonkeyDronez> o/
07:30:42  <Alberth> o/
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10:17:32  <Samu> 2028, 2010
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14:54:07  <Eddi|zuHause> i should start a petition to ban animated avatars
14:54:56  <Alberth> an animated banner would help in your quest I think to get votes
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14:57:15  <Alberth> ut euhm, "display options" has a "display avatars" boolean setting
14:58:03  <Eddi|zuHause> yes. but avatars are fine, just animated avatars are crazy distracting
14:58:42  <Alberth> make them your foe, so you don't see their messages :p
14:59:04  <Eddi|zuHause> not quite a solution either :p
14:59:24  <Alberth> clearly they didn't intend you to read it, with such an avatar :D
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14:59:51  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but the forum way of ignoring posts is terrrrrrible...
15:00:18  <Alberth> hmm, hide the left side of the browser under some other window, or move it outside the screen?
15:00:34  <Eddi|zuHause> i just put the specific image into the blocklist
15:00:47  <Alberth> ah, good idea
15:01:16  <Eddi|zuHause> that is simply right click->block this image
15:01:40  <Alberth> replaced by black image with white "censored" on it :)
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15:47:12  <scuddles> hellopenttd
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19:06:07  <andythenorth> o/
19:07:29  <frosch123> hoi
19:09:06  <Wolf01> o/
19:12:09  <V453000> evening sir
19:14:46  <Eddi|zuHause> todays earworm sponsored by https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeBeJnqk6V0
19:16:06  <andythenorth> after much googling, I have found some of the prototypes for things I already drew :D
19:16:07  <andythenorth> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~txgrayso/ANewLand/Transportation/Interurban/TERBOMOTOR.jpg
19:16:52  <Wolf01> I played with a tiny spider today
19:17:22  <andythenorth> I like this express tram http://www.american-rails.com/images/ICCSBCab.jpg
19:17:29  <Wolf01> Didn't bother to give it a name, I released it soon after
19:18:17  <Samu> 2036, 2013
19:18:56  <Eddi|zuHause> i'd have expected that to be more of a maintenance vehicle
19:19:23  <Wolf01> that "buy war bonds"...
19:19:44  <Eddi|zuHause> "contemporary decorations"
19:20:20  <Eddi|zuHause> at least that's the phrasing they use on historical railway pictures when they have swastikas and stuff :p
19:22:15  <Wolf01> good to know
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19:46:18  <aoeu> hi, does anyone know whether it's possible to use 2013 studio with v14 toolset?
19:55:50  <aoeu> or how to compile openttd without the freaking 8GB studio
20:02:22  <Alberth> using linux eliminates the need for studio stuff :p
20:02:38  <aoeu> sadly some people still use windows
20:05:43  <Wolf01> wait the anniversary update and use the ubuntu subsystem... which might be another 8GB
20:10:33  <V453000> yeah only about 95% XD
20:18:29  <Eddi|zuHause> you can use mingw to compile openttd
20:19:10  <Eddi|zuHause> as to your original question, no clue.
20:20:39  <aoeu> does mingw compile it properly for all win versions?
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20:20:55  <Eddi|zuHause> yes
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20:25:33  <Samu> 2037, 2013
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21:10:11  <rosco> Hey guys, I wondered if someone could help me. It looks like newly available rail vehicles aren't showing in the new rail vehicles dialogue. For example, I was just offered a preview on a new train, I said yes, and the new train is now showing in the new rail vehicles dialogue. Has anyone got any suggestions / pointers?
21:11:02  <Eddi|zuHause> you need to click and hold the rail toolbar icon to switch to a new railtype
21:11:08  <Eddi|zuHause> like electric or monorai
21:11:10  <Eddi|zuHause> l
21:11:27  <rosco> ooooohhh they are electic
21:11:34  <rosco> wow, thanks dude, I had no idea
21:12:18  <Eddi|zuHause> it's not the most obvious feature in the game, yes.
21:14:03  <Wolf01> at least is not ctrl+shift+win+right click while scrolling with the mouse wheel
21:14:57  <Eddi|zuHause> well, we have those kinds of features as well, where people go "wait, i played this game for 20 years and didn't know THAT"
21:16:07  <rosco> haha that sounds like an osx keyboard shortcut... well minus the win key
21:16:49  <Eddi|zuHause> well, pretty much anything you can click has an alternate function when you do ctrl+click
21:17:19  <rosco> my god these electric trains are so much faster
21:18:10  <Wolf01> how to play the entire game with steam/diesel trains
21:18:58  <rosco> haha
21:19:12  <Eddi|zuHause> have you read the forum thread where the guy wanted to play 170 years with inflation and just horses? :p
21:19:52  <Wolf01> oh my
21:19:57  <rosco> so one more question - can I change key mappings?.. e.g. using wasd instead of the arrow keys
21:20:24  <Eddi|zuHause> rosco: some, but maybe not all of them you can change in hotkeys.cfg (no ingame interface)
21:20:47  <rosco> ahh cool, thanks, I'll take a look
21:21:03  <Eddi|zuHause> mind you that these keys already have a function, probably
21:21:45  <rosco> yeah they do by the looks of it, but for shortcuts I think I can live without
21:22:09  <Wolf01> like raise terrain, autorail/road, signals, depot or dynamite
21:23:38  <Eddi|zuHause> honestly, wasd for scrolling the map is probably a terrible idea, you either use the mouse to scroll, or you have your right hand free to use the arrow keys
21:24:19  <Eddi|zuHause> (i miss the ability to steer the mouse cursor with alt+arrow keys from TTO)
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21:24:45  <Wolf01> the what?
21:25:32  <Eddi|zuHause> that feature probably got lost in the windows port of TTD
21:25:55  <Eddi|zuHause> you could perfectly well play TTO without a mouse
21:26:32  <Wolf01> just enable the ease of access to use the keypad when num lock is disabled
21:27:01  <Eddi|zuHause> not the same thing
21:27:21  <Eddi|zuHause> also, i don't have windows
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21:28:48  <Wolf01> there's for linux too, I remember I used it
21:29:06  <Alkel_U3> reminds me of that time when I mapped half of the keybord and mouse on my gamepad and played Civ IV with a gamepad :-)
21:29:15  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, but it never really worked the way i wanted it to
21:30:21  <Eddi|zuHause> civ iv seems like a game that is totally tedious without 100 hotkeys
21:31:41  <Alkel_U3> yeah, but I managed to cover about thirty most basic
21:33:19  <Alkel_U3> not that the gamepad has that many buttons, but the profiler software could map a "fn/shift" key, there's the d-pad, second joystick...
21:34:45  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure if you rework the interface to allow for something like "press and hold button, then use joystick in 8 directions" for selecting some functions
21:35:42  <milek7> how about playing tetris via traceroute? :>
21:35:58  <Alkel_U3> that would also work for a mouse without a keyboard to an extent
21:38:19  <Eddi|zuHause> of the top of my head, the most common keys are probably f,s,a,w and space, then all the specialized worker commands
21:38:38  <Eddi|zuHause> maybe i misremember the keys and mix them up with civ II :p
21:39:19  <Eddi|zuHause> they shuffled them around occasionally
21:39:39  <Alkel_U3> cant remember what a,w does
21:40:06  <Eddi|zuHause> w goes to the next unit without giving the current one an order
21:40:26  <Alkel_U3> hm, I did that with enter
21:40:36  <Eddi|zuHause> and a activates a unit, i think
21:41:15  <Eddi|zuHause> but that might really have been in civ ii
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21:44:03  <Alkel_U3> speaking of Civ, I'm curious what's Civ VI gonna be like. After the direction it took with Civ V I'm not even looking forward to it very much
21:44:41  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think there was anything wrong with Civ V
21:44:58  <Eddi|zuHause> but i haven't played it very much in the past few years
21:45:34  <Eddi|zuHause> and certainly not since i found EU IV
21:45:43  <Alkel_U3> I don't think it's a bad game, I just think it's not a very good Civilization. Not to my taste
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21:53:16  <Eddi|zuHause> i actually tried a civ IV game a few months ago, it usually goes well until the first person declares war on me :p
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21:55:07  <Alkel_U3> first war is the worst one if you're on the defending side :-)
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21:55:41  <Eddi|zuHause> i always found it bad that in epic and marathon mode it scales up the unit costs
21:55:58  <Eddi|zuHause> means you can't react quickly enough
21:56:27  <Alkel_U3> well, yeah, you've got to be prepared
21:56:37  <Alkel_U3> slavery also works well
21:56:40  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm almost never "prepared"
21:56:45  <Eddi|zuHause> and i hate slavery
21:56:54  <Eddi|zuHause> i barely ever take it
21:57:41  <Alkel_U3> actually, it's only recently that I discovered how wonderful that civic actually is
21:58:02  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, it's pretty crazy
21:58:18  <Eddi|zuHause> especially in the early game, if you have lots of food and no health to support large cities
21:58:34  <Eddi|zuHause> or happiness
21:59:43  <Eddi|zuHause> and rushing a wonder is also crazy powerful
22:01:34  <Alkel_U3> I usually try to rush prerequisites for vassalage and build the oracle - having longbowmen early means practically invincible cities for a while
22:02:25  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm usually behind in the military branch of the tech tree
22:02:48  <Eddi|zuHause> but yes, bowmen are very powerful, especially with imperial leader
22:04:12  <Eddi|zuHause> (the leader trait that gives first strike and city defence to bowmen)
22:05:09  <Alkel_U3> I think that's protective and doesn't do the first-strike bit, but I may be wrong on that one
22:05:36  <Eddi|zuHause> protective, that might be it
22:05:46  <Eddi|zuHause> and it definitely gives you 2 free things
22:06:15  <Alkel_U3> you're right, it does grant drill promotion
22:07:02  <Eddi|zuHause> what did imperial do then? settler and walls build speed?
22:07:21  <Alkel_U3> definitely settlers
22:07:41  <Alkel_U3> walls are also part of the protective trait
22:08:11  <Eddi|zuHause> i always play as charlemagne, so i mix up these traits
22:08:15  <Alkel_U3> ah, great general emergence
22:08:23  <Eddi|zuHause> oh yeah
22:08:35  <Eddi|zuHause> sadly, fighting barbarians doesn't give you a general :/
22:08:44  <Eddi|zuHause> and i try to avoid wars
22:09:38  <Alkel_U3> I often play as Montezuma so I usually wipe out a few neighbors right from the start
22:09:59  <Alkel_U3> actually, I do that with most other leaders, too :-)
22:10:35  <Eddi|zuHause> wars are always so destructive. i hate losing units, let alone cities
22:10:42  <Alkel_U3> but only on marathon speed, when I can be sure that nobody builds anything fancy right off the start
22:11:38  <Alkel_U3> snatching developed cities early on is much more economical then building them yourself
22:12:12  <Alkel_U3> they even often come with a religion center
22:12:53  <Eddi|zuHause> i usually do early start with a religion tech
22:13:01  <Eddi|zuHause> i mean advanced start
22:14:26  <Alkel_U3> I never tried that, always played from the bare start
22:16:06  <Alkel_U3> I didn't even play with mods, usually. Only once I activated a mod that extends the base game with futuristic tech, but the game ended before futuristic era
22:16:57  <Eddi|zuHause> i use a mod called "Better BUG AI", which leaves gameplay unchanged, but gives you loads of interface and AI enhencements
22:19:10  <Alkel_U3> that looks interesting, thanks for the tip
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23:07:44  <Wolf01> 'night
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