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08:17:45  <Wolf01> o/
08:28:58  <V453000> yo
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09:08:21  <_dp_> Hi, I'm extending network command in a patch, is it important to keep ABI?
09:08:29  <_dp_> I mean how stuff is packed in p1 and p2
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10:35:33  <MonkeyDrone> aloha comrades
10:35:46  <MonkeyDrone> shall we try to oust putin today?
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11:19:43  <V453000>  /FRENZY ON
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11:46:11  <Flygon> Frenzy !!
11:52:56  <MonkeyDrone2> ALL HANDS ON DECK FOR MR.V!
11:53:18  <MonkeyDrone2> How's the progress coming along on your baby?
12:13:27  <Wolf01> nice, steam engine got 100% performance with 0 water at 100°C
12:14:21  <Wolf01> suddenly water arrived and performance dropped, 99.99°C 50% performance
12:16:39  <Wolf01> now it's right, 50% usage, ~98% performance
12:17:30  <MonkeyDrone2> maybe it takes time for data to update
12:18:28  <Wolf01> I think there's a bit of confusion on what is inside the pipes, I usually get stuck pumps with liquid inside and empty pipes
12:21:08  <MonkeyDrone2> using any mods for the pipes?
12:21:14  <Wolf01> no, vanilla
12:22:16  <Wolf01> I think is the "0.0" which confuses the game
12:23:32  <V453000> MonkeyDrone2: snow/desert completely implemented
12:23:41  <V453000> now fixing bridges
12:23:56  <MonkeyDrone2> sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
12:24:08  <V453000> for now I pushed farm tiles to v 0.0.2
12:24:14  <V453000> because I like original ttd farms a lot
12:24:21  <V453000> so they aren't that necessar
12:24:22  <V453000> y
12:24:23  *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po1-84-91-250-188.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd
12:24:26  <Samu> hi
12:24:42  <Samu> just started version 3 of NoNoCAB, testing trains and road vehicles, will test ships later
12:25:05  <V453000> actual proper sand/snow tracks will either get a basic for-now solution, or will be pushed into 0.0.2 completely, because to get them done as I would like to, is a LOT of work for not that much gain
12:25:18  <V453000> where a quick solution will give me a result that people will like already
12:25:41  <Samu> 2011, 1997, 2014, 2030, 1951, 1952
12:25:46  <V453000> after that just vehicles and I have almost ready depots, might try to make also train stations for full train experience
12:25:48  <Samu> 6 servers
12:26:07  <MonkeyDrone2> yeah, the original farms look quiet good, those can wait on the upgrades
12:26:53  <V453000> but I might want to put some time into trees
12:26:56  <MonkeyDrone2> i would go for the quick solution, not all of it needs to get done for 0.1
12:27:08  <V453000> arctic and tropic trees are basically just boxes for now, which is fine for toyland but in the other climates it is meh
12:27:22  <MonkeyDrone2> ooooh, train station, that would be quiet a bit of work though wouldn't it
12:27:26  <V453000> well I want 0.0.1 to be nice
12:27:33  <V453000> nah train stations are relatively easy
12:27:40  <V453000> it's just 2 models
12:27:48  <V453000> compared to anything else that's easy
12:27:53  <V453000> depots are one model each
12:28:07  <V453000> since that adds a lot I will probably do them
12:28:07  <MonkeyDrone2> true, just need to rotate them around
12:28:21  <MonkeyDrone2> aye, but
12:29:26  <MonkeyDrone2> you are right, it shuould go with BRIX, iw as thinking it would go well with PART, but since you are upgrading the tracks, the depots would stand out
12:29:51  <V453000> you have no clue how PART will look, don't make assumptions. :P
12:29:58  <V453000> just ignore PART for now :)
12:30:17  <V453000> but generally speaking, BRIX's aim is to replace all base game sprites
12:30:42  <V453000> no other newgrfs, including NUTS/PART/YETI/... should be necessary to "fill things in"
12:31:10  <V453000> adding depots/stations to a vehicle set is a nice extra, but I totally prefer to do it in a graphics replacement grf
12:31:57  <MonkeyDrone2> well if it is aiming to overhaul all of base graphics, then i would say replacing the depots would be a great touch for 0.1
12:33:42  <MonkeyDrone2> and a man can dream about PART! :P
12:38:17  <V453000> the aim of 0.0.1 is to make a first version which is fully usable with trains
12:38:41  <V453000> the only thing I am missing now to do that perfectly is stations, depots, rail fences, electrified rail catenary, and the actual vehicles
12:38:54  <V453000> neither of them is a huge task ... the catenary is a bit bullshit but it probably won't be so bad either
12:39:13  <V453000> but you can easily disable catenary in game settings if you mind the old one :D
12:53:40  <MonkeyDrone2> what time scale is everyone looking forward to for this?
12:53:44  <MonkeyDrone2> 2 weeks?
13:01:18  <V453000> 666 years
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13:01:26  <V453000> idk, 2 weeks sounds reasonable
13:01:31  <V453000> will see, really
13:01:35  <V453000> soon(tm)
13:02:11  <V453000> if I have the energy/time to make train experience really fully replaced, I will do that
13:02:26  <V453000> if at some point I feel like it would mean some big delaying, I will just release 0.0.1
13:02:35  <V453000> after I fix bridges, everything that is there works kind of great
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13:44:10  <MonkeyDrone> well, end of August release date sounds like a plan to me
13:44:26  <MonkeyDrone> Wayward pine season 2 finale was depressing as fuck, has me totally bummed out. ARGH!
13:44:48  <V453000> likely earlier
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13:45:49  <MonkeyDrone> looking forward to it,  V453000 , have you played Dwarf Fortress ever? people keep recommending that game
13:46:06  <V453000> I was screenshot
13:46:10  <V453000> decided I don't need to do that
13:46:17  <V453000> saw*
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13:46:36  <MonkeyDrone> play WF you mean, yeah i've seen screenshots and it just looks ummm...
13:47:52  <V453000> it's probably got a lot of depth but on the first sight it looks ultra nerd shit
13:48:02  <MonkeyDrone> it's been 'creating' a random world for me for like 20+ minutes now...
13:48:13  <MonkeyDrone> it is ultra nerd shit and it does seem to have a lot of depth,
13:48:34  <V453000> nice
13:48:37  <MonkeyDrone> the combats i was told has specific organs defined, and each getting dmg affects your overall performance
13:49:01  <Samu> there's something wrong with trans
13:49:14  <V453000> nobody gives a fuck Samu
13:49:32  <Samu> he's massing ships on the same route and they get lost
13:49:40  <Samu> he keeps on massing
13:49:51  <MonkeyDrone> yeah i don't think i can play DW, that thing doesn't even have a gui :D
13:50:02  <MonkeyDrone> Samu, have you tried turning it off and on again?
13:50:37  <MonkeyDrone> i don't think my water damaged laptop can handle DF :p
13:52:14  * MonkeyDrone can't do elite nerd gaming
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14:01:25  <MonkeyDrone> great, had a train stoped in its track for the past hour....sigh*
14:02:09  <Alkel_U3> did someone mention Dwarf Fortress? :-)
14:02:22  <MonkeyDrone> yes, i don't like that game
14:02:28  <Alkel_U3> I'm joining the recommending group :-)
14:02:30  <MonkeyDrone> too old to learn new tricks :P
14:02:43  <MonkeyDrone> that ascii map =O like what year is this? :D
14:03:38  <Alkel_U3> more graphical representation is planned. My guesstimation is between 2025 and 2030 :-)
14:05:02  <MonkeyDrone> lol ok, well more DF for you then :D
14:05:32  <Alkel_U3> but the ascii representation is also great because you can play it over ssh :P
14:05:55  <MonkeyDrone> lol, now it all makes sense why all the nerds play it :D
14:06:16  <V453000> jesus fucking christ :D
14:06:19  <MonkeyDrone> boss comes in, looks at jibberish on monitor and just walks away cause he doesn't want ot deal with that
14:06:20  <MonkeyDrone> lol
14:07:42  <Alkel_U3> yeah, I get that sometimes with df... "What's that" "A game" "And you're playin it or programming"
14:08:00  <MonkeyDrone> speaking from my last interview with a retard who said 'IT' work isn't real work. Wanker wanted to pay me minimum salary with 1 day off that i would probably have to work on too and work extra hours off the normal work hours and no overtime pay
14:08:40  <MonkeyDrone> I do some programming, DF is not anywhere near programming xD
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14:10:22  <Alkel_U3> tell that to the people creating a turing-compete dwarfputer :D
14:10:41  <MonkeyDrone> hehe, i think i will stay far away from those guys xD
14:11:09  <MonkeyDrone> i may take the pill sometimes, but never too many
14:15:51  <MonkeyDrone> AAAAHHH', can't wait to buy my next laptop
14:16:05  <MonkeyDrone> Lenovo Ideapad 300, hopefully it doesn't disappoint
14:25:04  <MonkeyDrone> http://epaper.newsofbahrain.com/Article.aspx?eid=31602&articlexml=Schoolgirl-kept-in-a-cage-for-4-years-28072016007003  gg Saudi Arabia
14:26:35  <V453000> Alkel_U3: people will do weird shit whenever they get a chance, just because they can, they don't need a reason. Like computer in factorio or LED displays in openttd
14:27:37  <Alkel_U3> of course :-)
14:27:53  <V453000> which is good. :>
14:35:36  <MonkeyDrone> well weird is subjective:P
14:36:15  <MonkeyDrone> ah well Alkel_U3 , enjoy DF, i'm sure i't sa nice game, but the learning curve is not something i'm looking forward to right now
14:37:28  <V453000> fucker believes learning openttd will be easy :> /evil off
14:40:12  <Alkel_U3> MonkeyDrone: it's not that bad :D http://i44.tinypic.com/4pwao8.jpg
14:40:33  <MonkeyDrone> lol, ottd is easy :P
14:40:54  <MonkeyDrone> loool Alkel_U3 , that is beautiful
14:41:01  <V453000> :)
14:42:41  <Alkel_U3> this is actually realistic http://i.imgur.com/kEMsS.png
14:43:34  <MonkeyDrone> lol, nice
14:43:48  <MonkeyDrone> are there any graphical mods for starters to help learn the game?
14:44:45  <V453000> XD
14:45:12  <MonkeyDrone> fuck it, i got 2 horus to burn
14:45:17  <MonkeyDrone> i'll mine a god dman rock before that
14:45:38  <Alkel_U3> sure, there are tilesets (recommended if you can't get past the ascii representation) or you can even slap an isometric visualisation in the main viewport or have it in separate window
14:46:01  <MonkeyDrone> oooo, how do i get these isometric viz
14:46:10  <Alkel_U3> you probably wanna get "lazy newb pack" - that should get you started
14:46:12  <MonkeyDrone> or tilesets would work too
14:46:18  <MonkeyDrone> hehe ok will look it up
14:46:49  <MonkeyDrone> lol, way too literal, http://lazynewbpack.com/
14:46:49  <V453000> XD
14:46:50  <V453000> nice name
14:46:55  <V453000> renaming BRIX immediately
14:47:12  <V453000> NOOB_SHITHEAD_GRF_REPLACEMENT
14:47:18  <V453000> NSGR
14:47:19  <Alkel_U3> :D
14:48:00  <MonkeyDrone> lol
14:48:07  <MonkeyDrone> ok lazynewbpack is for 0.43.3
14:48:11  <MonkeyDrone> game is at 0.43.5
14:48:19  <MonkeyDrone> this better still work ;p
14:48:50  <V453000> it's interesting that's for sure
14:48:52  <V453000> but nope nope nope
14:49:28  <Alkel_U3> you need precise version
14:49:45  <Alkel_U3> but you can get older versions from bay12games
14:49:47  <MonkeyDrone> there is no 0.43.5 start pack then, gg df, next year
14:49:52  <V453000> do you first have to compile DF compatible kernel as an entry test? :D
14:50:02  <MonkeyDrone> looool V453000
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14:50:43  <Alkel_U3> you almost never have these packs or dfhack for the very latest version of df
14:50:47  <MonkeyDrone> ahh the starter pack has the old version of hte game already in it
14:50:53  <MonkeyDrone> it's a single file download and play, nice
14:50:59  <Alkel_U3> ah, it's that lazy :D
14:51:01  <V453000> :)
14:51:05  <MonkeyDrone> lol, super lazy, haha
14:51:35  <MonkeyDrone> well 5 more mins till it finishes downloading, another 10 to extract
14:51:46  <Alkel_U3> the isomertric representation, btw http://i.imgur.com/HnzpA.jpg
14:51:51  <MonkeyDrone> i should really open this laptop and show you guys some nice pictures of the inside of this laptop ;D
14:51:52  <Alkel_U3> stonesense :-)
14:52:02  <MonkeyDrone> oooo nice! stonesense is in the pack
14:52:08  <MonkeyDrone> i guess i'm using stonesense ;p
14:52:11  <V453000> interesting
14:52:22  <MonkeyDrone> that's a lot of elephants at the gate
14:53:06  <Alkel_U3> it takes one hell of a CPU to have the game running smoothly whlie showing so many layers at once, mid you
14:53:35  <MonkeyDrone> yeah its already killing my laptop
14:53:51  <MonkeyDrone> then again , my laptop is badly damaged from heat over the past few years of abuse :P
14:53:53  <Alkel_U3> trained elephants are almost as fierce guards as carps :-)
14:54:01  <MonkeyDrone> and the latest shower incident it had, hehe
14:54:13  <MonkeyDrone> i guess i'll find out soon enough what carps are
14:55:01  <Alkel_U3> that carp part was a typo in stats - iirc they got nerfed already, but they could easily pull a fisherdwarf under and kill him :-)
14:56:09  <Alkel_U3> but you could catch them using traps, domesticate them and breed them. And then fill the moat with them. Poor gobs didn't know what hit 'em >:)
14:56:15  <MonkeyDrone> survival of the fittest :D
14:56:25  <MonkeyDrone> you savage
14:56:35  <MonkeyDrone> you sound like one of them stories i was reading about,
14:56:38  <V453000> XD
14:57:12  <MonkeyDrone> had a court full of bunnies, outside the gate was a lava pit, enemies were coming for the gate, player opened the gate, bunnies ran out over the lava, started burning and attacking the enemy and starting to put the enemy on fire
14:57:20  <MonkeyDrone> i found that strategy to be brutally effective
14:57:53  <V453000> nice
14:58:02  <Alkel_U3> nowadays I prefer a minecart loaded up with heavy rocks (cobaltite, pitchblende...) with tracks built so it grapeshots the whole entrance
14:58:24  <MonkeyDrone> lol damn man, you are too metal for my heart
14:58:28  <Alkel_U3> but hey, the flaming bunnies sound awesome, might try that, too :D
14:59:16  <MonkeyDrone> ooo this thing has a 'tutorial profile'. hopefully something worthwhile
14:59:20  <MonkeyDrone> lol
14:59:29  <MonkeyDrone> yeah do that and let us know how it turns out xD
15:00:42  <MonkeyDrone> this starter pack launcher....why are there so many options x.x
15:00:51  <Alkel_U3> well, you still might wanna at least peak at the quickstart guide at Dwarf Fortress wiki
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15:03:37  <MonkeyDrone> it's making a new world..last time it took 15-20 mins
15:03:53  <MonkeyDrone> i love it though, Historial figures 5k simulated, 2k dead
15:04:20  <MonkeyDrone> 80 years simulated, 2500 dead only, they sure live long lives
15:04:51  <MonkeyDrone> no time to read now, it's adventure time :P
15:05:20  <Alkel_U3> depending on when was last time, it might take a bit longer now - worldgen got a bit upgraded in past years :-)
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15:06:09  <Alkel_U3> it should have been beer time by now, but my beer mate got delayed
15:06:23  <V453000> terrible sin
15:06:34  <V453000> teach him some beer discipline
15:07:06  <MonkeyDrone> cpu running around 85C stable, woooo
15:07:07  <Alkel_U3> beer first
15:07:21  <MonkeyDrone> did you pay tribute to the beer god ?
15:08:16  <Alkel_U3> I'll "sacrifice" some beer later
15:08:42  <Alkel_U3> I see myself doing that in 40 mins max
15:09:25  <MonkeyDrone> hehe, sounds good. I already started on my hard liquor 3 horus ago :P
15:10:24  <MonkeyDrone> weekend started here :D
15:10:28  <Alkel_U3> I'm still at work. Not that I have any work to do but the place where we wanted to go is nearby so I thought I might as well stay a bit longer
15:10:31  <MonkeyDrone> we have fri/sat off
15:10:49  <Alkel_U3> sounds nice
15:11:04  <MonkeyDrone> sure is, have a good few beers then :D
15:11:58  <Alkel_U3> no more than ten, I'll be at a party tomorrow :-)
15:12:43  <Alkel_U3> I should probably get going, important to stay hydrated
15:15:01  <MonkeyDrone> lol, amen
15:15:04  <MonkeyDrone> have a great evening
15:16:05  <Alkel_U3> thanks :-)
15:18:10  <Alkel_U3> you have a great fortress
15:18:12  <MonkeyDrone> still generating world...
15:18:19  <MonkeyDrone> 30 more years left xd
15:18:31  <MonkeyDrone> thanks, i just want to do some basic stuff first
15:18:35  <MonkeyDrone> fortress is ages away ;p
15:19:51  <Alkel_U3> Good for your cpu :D
15:20:38  <MonkeyDrone> 46k historial figures, 29k dead, over 250 years
15:20:57  <MonkeyDrone> hehe,
15:23:20  <Alkel_U3> Maybe you don't want to go past 1000 years - that would mean adult dragons roam the world
15:24:12  <MonkeyDrone> 250 years is default
15:24:48  <MonkeyDrone> i just went with the default settings of the game, joining the world now and it wants to generate more things :D
15:25:04  <MonkeyDrone> i think i should make a mini-atx computer...
15:25:36  <MonkeyDrone> well graphical things didn't work out, still seeing ascii, argh
15:26:25  <MonkeyDrone> ooo stonesense loading up
15:28:45  <MonkeyDrone> this laptop can't handle this game x.x lol
15:30:43  <Alkel_U3> Adding a tileset manually isn't hard - it's just place this picture in this directory and chage an .ini file to point at it
15:32:16  <Alkel_U3> Can't give details, though, I'm already away from computer
15:35:24  <MonkeyDrone> it's cool Alkel_U3 , i will be on PC in an hour or two, will check it out then
15:37:48  <Alkel_U3> Another delay. Guess I'll be sipping beer alone, catching pokémon
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15:38:12  <MonkeyDrone> not you too man....
15:38:16  <MonkeyDrone> not you tooo.....
15:38:51  <MonkeyDrone> my baby sis came to me, wanted to buy pokeballs.  or something. Totally shut her down, no way i'm sending her down that path :P
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15:40:40  <MonkeyDrone> well hello there mr.married
15:40:49  <MonkeyDrone> got your zzzzzs?
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15:46:30  <Alkel_U3> Nah, I play Platinum :P
15:49:02  <Alkel_U3> My brick doesn't run Go and I was very disappointed to see the battles
15:49:19  <supermop> 10 hours more or less
15:50:32  <MonkeyDrone> Alkel_U3, , hehe cool
15:50:34  <MonkeyDrone> supermop, nice!
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16:08:54  <MonkeyDrone> nice, UAE just banned using VPN across the country. GG
16:09:20  <MonkeyDrone> The new law states that anyone who uses a VPN or proxy server can be imprisoned and fined between 6,000-5,000 if they are found to use VPNs fraudulently.
16:10:26  <Eddi|zuHause> i see that coming in our so-called "democratic" countries, too.
16:10:45  <Eddi|zuHause> given how they blame the "darknet" for the munich guy getting his gun
16:11:05  <MonkeyDrone> ahh, nice, totalitarian governments incoming :D
16:11:11  <MonkeyDrone> i think i got that word right, time for ze guuugles
16:11:23  <Eddi|zuHause> who, btw, was not a muslim terrorist, but an anti-muslim racist.
16:11:31  <MonkeyDrone> yup i sure did :D
16:11:54  <MonkeyDrone> yeah, it seems the crazies are coming out in droves these past few weeks
16:12:38  <Eddi|zuHause> btw, he used the 5-year-anniversary of the Breivik-incident on purpose, he was kind of his idol
16:13:29  <MonkeyDrone> looking up that name
16:13:45  <Samu> wasn't he bullied?
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16:14:00  <MonkeyDrone> damn, that fooked up
16:14:30  <Eddi|zuHause> guy in norway who killed loads of people, mostly left-leaning youths
16:15:23  <MonkeyDrone> yup, i read it up, pretty messed up
16:15:28  <MonkeyDrone> happened in 2011
16:15:34  <MonkeyDrone> i guess i know why i didn't hear about it
16:15:45  <MonkeyDrone> we had our own 'revolution' disaster going on in the country here
16:19:29  <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, the "2nd crypto war" has already started...
16:23:41  <MonkeyDrone> what is htat?
16:25:48  <Eddi|zuHause> "the crypto war" was a period in the 90s, where the USA counted cryptography as a national security issue, and it was forbidden to "export" cryptography algorithms to other [i.e. european] countries
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16:26:37  <Eddi|zuHause> and the european "hackers" found a loophole, that the "free speech" laws of the USA allowed the algorithms to be shipped out as a BOOK
16:27:06  <Eddi|zuHause> so they met in amsterdam, and typed that book back into computers, to implement the cryptography algorithms in europe
16:27:43  <Eddi|zuHause> the USA later had to repeal the ban on cryptography algorithms
16:28:00  <Eddi|zuHause> [vastly simplified]
16:29:19  <Eddi|zuHause> inbetween the USA tried to allow cryptography with vastly reduced [i.e. insecure] key lengths
16:29:49  <Eddi|zuHause> so they could crack the algorithms by brute force whenever they wanted
16:29:57  <MonkeyDrone> interesting
16:30:34  <MonkeyDrone> and this 2nd crypto war refers to?
16:31:56  <Eddi|zuHause> in the recent years, repeatedly the governments complained about not being able to decrypt things like skype calls and stuff, so they once again demand bans on cryptography or at least builtin backdoors
16:32:14  <Eddi|zuHause> like the FBI vs Apple incident recently
16:32:28  <Eddi|zuHause> or anything surrounding Edward Snowden
16:32:36  <Eddi|zuHause> or Wikileaks
16:33:43  <Eddi|zuHause> and the VPN ban you brought up fits very much exactly into this pattern
16:34:17  <MonkeyDrone> ah yes, yeah i can see that it's getting hard to crack new tougher encryptions
16:34:26  <MonkeyDrone> and the government sure loves to know what everyone is doing
16:35:06  <MonkeyDrone> it's a global issue as it stands, brave new world. Gotta work it out and work through it. Let's see how it goes. Would totally suck not to be able to use VPN here
16:36:24  <Samu> damn, too long to save for trans
16:40:44  <MonkeyDrone> alright, i'm out for now folks, packupppp time
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17:07:38  <Samu> too long to save crash: https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1174029#p1174029
17:10:45  <Samu> restarted without autosaves
17:23:21  * MonkeyDAcez does not know how to reply to that
17:24:08  <Wolf01> no need to
17:25:11  <MonkeyDAcez> :P
17:25:20  <MonkeyDAcez> time to read Dwarf Fortress intro guide
17:25:36  <MonkeyDAcez> cause i can't do jack shit in that game as it stands
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17:48:59  <andythenorth> o/
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17:51:51  <andythenorth> V453000: congrats, you’ve made Lander :D http://regmedia.co.uk/2012/05/16/arch_5.png
17:51:57  <andythenorth> much wasted childhood
17:52:10  <V453000> wat
17:52:49  <MonkeyDAcez> what re you on andythenorth  ? :D share with me too ;p
17:52:58  <andythenorth> brix reminds me of it
17:53:03  <andythenorth> no-texture polys
17:53:18  <V453000> ahh :D
17:53:23  <V453000> okay :D point taken <3
17:53:31  <V453000> is it lickable though?
17:53:59  <MonkeyDAcez> is brix lickable?
17:54:02  <MonkeyDAcez> hmm don't answer that
17:55:10  * andythenorth likes gridlines
17:55:19  <andythenorth> but eh, it will be a solid base set
17:59:06  <MonkeyDAcez> hmm, DF doesn't seem to use a lot of processor power, it's just time consuming process, the world generation that is. Althought it finished in 5 mins on the desktop, compared to 15-20 on the laptop
17:59:41  <MonkeyDAcez> may have spoken too soon , it's strting to crawl on pc too, hehe, at this rate i estimate 10 mins
17:59:54  <andythenorth> such theatres http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/7931/theatres_eh.png
18:06:11  <V453000> idk, I have been using BRIX for a long time as static, and the recent work has improved it like 1000%
18:06:17  <V453000> now I am quite confident that I like it
18:06:20  <V453000> the white one was eh
18:07:44  <andythenorth> fair
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18:12:34  <V453000> main successes I note are the tracks which work really well for 3D rendered tracks, there are SO many issues you can run into
18:13:01  <V453000> other than that signals, general readability, and the concept of small trees to give nice variety to terrain, yet not make all players hide them 99% of the t ime
18:13:28  <V453000> the general colour style etc is alright but I am not ultra hyped about that
18:13:37  <V453000> it does bring some advantages though
18:13:55  <V453000> for one, I feel like mixing with non-EZ  8bpp original TTD base set is much easier and less eye catching that way
18:14:18  <V453000> if you have something which has just 1 colour, you don't actually see that it's "high-res" compared to the other things I feel like
18:14:42  <V453000> other than that it just looks ultra clean which has it's own charm
18:16:24  <V453000> but the n1 thing are probably the signals for me
18:20:00  <MonkeyDAcez> why are websites so full of white bg and thin font text!?!!?!?!
18:20:19  <andythenorth> because that’s what works
18:20:24  * andythenorth is making one right now
18:20:33  <andythenorth> V453000: BRIX = win
18:20:35  <MonkeyDAcez> bullshit it works, i hate it so much :D
18:20:47  <andythenorth> you want 1999 back?
18:20:50  <andythenorth> white text on black?
18:20:53  <andythenorth> courier?
18:21:12  <MonkeyDAcez> hehe, no thanks
18:21:14  <V453000> what's wrong with thin text on white?
18:21:39  <MonkeyDAcez> 175% zoom on page to read the damn, it's just bad formatting on this page
18:21:41  <MonkeyDAcez> https://df-walkthrough.readthedocs.io/en/latest/chapters/chap01-setup-starting.html
18:22:07  <V453000> that's a pretty lame ass page, I wouldn't generalize that ;D
18:22:30  <MonkeyDAcez> lol, you are right, i should not generalize xD
18:22:31  <V453000> I imagined the typical clean design non-serif font by what you meant :)
18:22:44  <MonkeyDAcez> i'll see if i can change font on it and see how that works out
18:23:50  <MonkeyDAcez> ah nothing font re-sizing couldn't fix
18:24:06  <MonkeyDAcez> going through the tutorial ;p ok time to dig a damn hole
18:26:05  <andythenorth> that page is crap
18:26:37  <andythenorth> dodgy font
18:26:44  <andythenorth> trying to be DF style I guess
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18:29:54  <V453000> announcement:
18:29:58  <V453000> FUCK BRIDGES, FUCK
18:29:59  <MonkeyDAcez> andythenorth, ok, makes sense then for the font :P
18:30:00  <V453000> .
18:30:12  <MonkeyDAcez> V453000, yes, fUck emm hard! break time?
18:30:22  <MonkeyDAcez> go to your happy place V453000  :D
18:32:18  <V453000> Not sure if I want to know what is happy place
18:32:25  <V453000> But FUCK
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18:42:14  <TrueBrain> sounds painful to fuck them
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18:43:04  * hakusdream looks around, then waves
18:43:05  <V453000> TrueBrain is idle for months and then says stuff about sexual intercourse with elevated infrastructure
18:43:13  <V453000> hello TrueBrain . :)
18:43:22  <TrueBrain> I have to be careful that it is not the latest thing I say for a while :P
18:43:25  <TrueBrain> looks bad in history ;)
18:43:26  <V453000> XD
18:43:46  <V453000> I see, that is why you open conversation with it to make sure it is last XD
18:43:54  <TrueBrain> ofc!
18:44:01  <TrueBrain> well, you started the conversation
18:44:02  <V453000> how are you?
18:44:04  <TrueBrain> I just jumped in :P
18:44:11  <TrueBrain> fine! You?
18:44:13  <Eddi|zuHause> only when Sacro comes along and @seen-s random people
18:44:19  <TrueBrain> getting too little sleep because of Factorio, but what else is new :P
18:44:25  <TrueBrain> Bob's mods are amasingly complex :D
18:44:36  <V453000> good, I will probably tear Bananas a new one soon with a new newgrf :P
18:44:46  <V453000> nice, another Factorio soul :D
18:44:49  <TrueBrain> w00p! Waste that bandwidth :P
18:45:17  * hakusdream timidly asks a question
18:45:28  <V453000> yeah when I played with bobs mods, I just constantly build new recipes for like 8 hours in a row, then I zoomed out on my base :D
18:45:30  <V453000> total wtf
18:45:40  <TrueBrain> hehehehe :D
18:45:50  <TrueBrain> it becomes a maze of shit very very quickly :)
18:45:57  <V453000> YES. :D
18:46:10  <hakusdream> Anyone compiled successfully with Emscripten?
18:46:15  <andythenorth> V453000: are BRIX shores ‘done’? o_O
18:46:24  <TrueBrain> hakusdream: playttd.com or something?
18:46:26  <V453000> andythenorth: undecided, for now probably are :D
18:46:37  <andythenorth> I think you can do better ;)
18:46:41  <andythenorth> bring more game
18:46:42  <V453000> I know, beaches, bla bla fuck bridges
18:46:49  <V453000> not important atm
18:46:57  <TrueBrain> you fuck things that are not important?
18:46:58  <TrueBrain> hmm
18:47:02  <TrueBrain> that sounds wrong too :D
18:47:07  <V453000> ha
18:47:17  <glx> TrueBrain: isn't there a playdune too ?
18:47:23  <TrueBrain> glx: yup
18:47:26  <TrueBrain> same guy :)
18:47:35  <TrueBrain> been working with emscripten myself lately; fantastic :D
18:47:45  <hakusdream> TrueBrain: I'm porting as a stepping stone. The experience is important to me.
18:47:46  <TrueBrain> Websocket -> TCP, and it is like a real client :)
18:48:06  <V453000> TrueBrain: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/BobsMayhem-20h-25percent.png
18:48:07  <TrueBrain> hakusdream: you asked a question, I answered
18:48:18  <V453000> after 20h of running around
18:48:30  <TrueBrain> hahahahaha, briljant screenshot :D
18:48:35  <TrueBrain> we are using Factorissimo
18:48:41  <TrueBrain> so things are in relative small buildings :P
18:48:41  <hakusdream> TrueBrain: True, true.
18:48:43  <V453000> oh god
18:48:50  <V453000> really dislike that mod but :)
18:49:03  <TrueBrain> I dont know yet ... it is funny
18:49:07  <TrueBrain> but ... also ruins the game a bit
18:49:15  <V453000> well yeah exactly
18:49:17  <TrueBrain> it doesnt make any polution, which is game-breaking
18:49:37  <V453000> I thought it is thrown out of the factories
18:49:58  <TrueBrain> not in our game at least ...
18:50:02  <V453000> but yeah I didn't really try it almost at all
18:50:07  <V453000> alright :d
18:50:37  <TrueBrain> but yeah .. first Minecraft, than Stellaris, now Factorio .. games ruin my life!
18:50:54  <V453000> lol just found this in my dropbox https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/MarkTransport.png
18:51:18  <V453000> I am happy destroying my life with making graphics for openttd, playing factorio and making graphics for factorio XD
18:51:31  <V453000> don't need more games, it's already a good ruin
18:51:44  <TrueBrain> and as long as it pays the bills ;)
18:51:48  <glx> ugly graphics
18:52:00  <V453000> :) can someone band glx please?
18:52:04  <V453000> -d
18:52:09  <V453000> #3
18:52:13  <V453000> <3
18:52:17  <V453000>  /me can type.
18:52:19  <TrueBrain> band? Or bend? :P
18:52:25  <V453000> ooh even better
18:52:31  <TrueBrain> refering back to earlier statements :P
18:52:35  <glx> well they are nice, but are too big
18:52:41  <TrueBrain> glx: are you a bridge?
18:52:45  <V453000> what's big?
18:52:48  <TrueBrain> <#
18:53:19  <glx> bridge pillar are on the tracks
18:53:26  <V453000> well yeah
18:53:54  <V453000> I chose to keep this instead of making the pillars tiny
18:53:58  <V453000> it's shit or shittier
18:54:14  <glx> and the track junctions ;)
18:54:23  <V453000> this grf is abandoned btw :P
18:54:34  <V453000> the thing why I shared it was the text at the bottom
18:54:35  <glx> understandable :)
18:55:01  <V453000> round 2 at replacement grf :P https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/BRIX/BRIX_taster9-snow.png
18:55:25  <andythenorth> BRIX like
18:55:28  <TrueBrain> wow, that coal mine is done awesomely
18:55:30  <andythenorth> other one not so much
18:55:32  <TrueBrain> really impressiv ework there
18:55:34  <TrueBrain> *trolololol*
18:55:40  <glx> haha
18:55:45  <V453000> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/BRIX/signals-wip-12.png https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/BRIX/signals-wip-14.png
18:55:52  <V453000> terrain is not white now ... old version :)
18:55:55  <V453000> but dem signals
18:56:35  <glx> oh arrows like signal is smart
18:56:50  <V453000> I am very proud of that design
18:57:08  <TrueBrain> those signals! THEY ARE SO CUTE!
18:57:18  <TrueBrain> I WANNA HUG THEM ALL!
18:57:22  <ST2> yup, part of BRIX
18:57:22  <V453000> XD
18:57:42  <ST2> gotta love them xD
18:58:16  <V453000> :)
18:58:25  <ST2> well, sharing those images with couple people: replies: TOMORROW?!
18:58:59  <V453000> ? :D
18:59:22  <ST2> forgot the quotes on "TOMORROW?!" ^^
18:59:33  <TrueBrain> yes, that clears it up, tnx
18:59:55  <V453000> :)
19:00:18  <Eddi|zuHause> you have a vertical track alignment issue on the left of that image
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19:00:25  <ST2> I'm forbidden from punching keyboards... 3rd one and are expensive as hell xD
19:00:53  <V453000> I don't see anything major Eddi|zuHause
19:01:34  <Eddi|zuHause> V453000: the straight vertical tracks are wider than the vertical tracks in the crossing tiles
19:01:58  <MonkeyDAcez> woooo i can dig holes, make rooms and setup a farm in Dwarf Fortress now, progress :P
19:02:06  <Wolf01> oh god... those signals, you made my day V
19:02:08  <Wolf01> XD
19:02:37  <V453000> I guess that is arleady fixed Eddi|zuHause
19:02:49  <MonkeyDAcez> dem signals <3
19:03:09  <Eddi|zuHause> V453000: it doesn't seem visible in the zoomed out version on the top right
19:03:26  <Wolf01> I just finished to literally wipe out the nests running with 50 destroyers and throwing cluster grenades like shit
19:03:46  <V453000> who knows what weird shit that is, but the tracks literally cannot be different, they are taken from exactly the same png, it is just a cut out version for the very purpose of having them identical
19:04:13  <V453000> of course it is always possible something moves by 1px by error but it is extremely unlikely
19:05:06  <MonkeyDAcez> Wolf01, i bet you don't believe in global warming. savage!
19:05:22  <Wolf01> pfff, my map is RED
19:06:40  <Eddi|zuHause> build a wall around it, let the biters pay for it!
19:39:31  <MonkeyDAcez> well the whole tutorial for DF went to hell, i dug up 4 big rooms and it gave me zero rock, although the guy in tutorial had somuch lying around. y u do dis to me game!
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19:54:06  <MonkeyDAcez> off to bed, goodnight fellas
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20:26:49  <dP> hi! I compiled 1.6.1 with 2015 studio and it crashes when I join any ecs server
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20:27:30  <dP> any ideas why? or mb someone already ran into this issue
20:28:04  <dP> what's even more weird it seems to be getting division by 0 error in this line
20:28:11  <dP> 		case DSGA_OP_UDIV: return value == 0 ? (U)last_value : (U)last_value / (U)value;
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20:29:28  <dP> so unless its an optimizer bug I have no idea what's going on
20:29:45  <dP> oh, and it only happens in release
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20:45:55  <Rubidium> if it only happens in a release build, but not the debug/non-optimized one, then I'd reckon it being an optimization bug
20:46:36  <Rubidium> alternatively I could (theoretically, ignoring any other context) assume that value is 256 and U is uint8 or something like that
20:47:03  <Rubidium> though that should crash also in the debug/non-optimized builds
20:48:01  <Rubidium> can you add a printf("%d / %d\n", last_value, value); before the return and see whether you can reproduce it that way?
20:48:59  <Rubidium> and if so, then the last printed line would be really interesting
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20:50:01  <Alaskoud> Heya! I'm pretty new and still trying to find my way thru signaling... second paragraph, are they truly irrelevant or should I really put some time on them as well? ---> http://dpk.io/ttd/signals
20:54:00  <dP> Rubidium, debugger says they are both 0, and U=unsigned int, S=int
20:55:46  <dP> Rubidium, do you know assembler? this doesn't look right to me http://pastebin.com/4ZQeGdky
20:59:20  <glx> looks like it always div before test
21:02:23  <dP> yeah, but I don't rly understand case jumps, technically it could check for 0 somewhere else
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21:03:10  <glx> I think it does with test then cmovne
21:03:41  <glx> but I'm not very good in modern assembler
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21:32:37  <dP> yep, it's optimization, this works fine:
21:32:39  <dP> 		case DSGA_OP_UDIV: if (value == 0) return (U)last_value; else return (U)last_value / (U)value;
21:37:35  <glx> not the first time optimisation hits us
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21:44:34  <dP> vc bugtracker is full of ternary operator bugs
21:44:47  <dP> screw ms, I don't want to reed all this shit
21:44:59  <dP> I want back to my sweet linux ^^
21:49:23  <Wolf01> omg, no, not again... visual studio 2015 update 3...
21:51:53  <glx> ready to break all your working projects ?
21:52:10  <Wolf01> No, I'm not
21:52:20  <Wolf01> I still have nightmares about the update 2
21:52:30  <glx> maybe update 3 will be better
21:52:53  <dP> well, I have update 3...
21:53:12  <glx> oh so the optimisation bug may come from that
21:53:23  <dP> yep, probably
21:53:38  <Wolf01> I won't update it this night, I won't update until the anniversary update
22:08:37  <Samu> im updating, i hope it doesn't need to restart windows
22:09:25  <glx> if you closed VS it should be ok without reboot
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22:53:15  <Wolf01> 'night
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22:58:27  <Samu> meh, it asks for restart _(
22:58:49  <Samu> not gonna restart now
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