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02:12:42  <Eddi|zuHause> "10 Period Hacks All Girls NEED To Know!" why, oh youtube, would you suggest me this video?
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03:21:36  <Supercheese> I prefer comma and semicolon hacks, myself
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07:50:01  <Wolf01> moin
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10:13:54  <Alberth> o/
10:25:13  <V453000> yo
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10:38:33  <mira100> mira200
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10:42:49  <mira100> +i
10:45:01  <Alberth> o/
10:45:25  <Wolf01> o/
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11:53:30  <Samu> 2002, 2020, 2024, 2026
11:54:12  <Samu> who's working on trans?
11:54:18  <Samu> trans ai
11:55:21  <Samu> fanioz
11:57:25  <Samu> fanioz last post 15 jun 2015
11:57:29  <Samu> will he return?
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12:23:43  <Alberth> you posted in the trans topic, right?
12:24:00  <Alberth> just wait if he returns the next few weeks :)
12:25:36  <Alberth> you can also check last visit, perhaps (don't know for sure). That should give you an idea whether he still reading the forum, which often suggests he is still following the openttd area.
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14:09:08  <Samu> @logs
14:09:08  <DorpsGek> Samu: http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd
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16:45:59  <supermop> yo
16:49:17  <Eddi|zuHause> ho
16:51:12  <Wolf01> ho
16:51:16  <supermop> i have about 10 kg of cement sitting in my kitching now
16:51:25  <supermop> need to think of something cool to make ith it
16:52:10  <Wolf01> A football ball, then place it on a pavement
16:52:41  <supermop> actually that might require more than 10 kg
16:52:51  <supermop> unless i get some aggregate
16:53:44  <supermop> maybe i can make some little scale tetrapods
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16:54:21  <Wolf01> Those are really nice
16:54:59  <supermop> do some miniature coastal engineering
16:55:37  <supermop> wanted to go to the beach this past weekend to steal some sand but rand out of time
16:57:22  <Wolf01> I just came home from the beach
16:58:37  <supermop> metabolist modular flower pots is the other idea
16:58:50  <supermop> but might need to buy more cement
16:59:06  <supermop> then think of more things to use all of it, etc
17:09:45  <Alberth> forever: think_of_things_to_make(); buy_more_cement();
17:16:13  <V453000> what was the max railtype number? 15 or 16?
17:18:00  <Alberth> 16 definitely not
17:18:20  <V453000> so 15?
17:18:28  <Alberth> computers start at 0, so 16 railtypes is from 0 to 15 inclusive
17:18:49  <V453000> yes?
17:21:40  <Alberth> Rail type sets may use up to 16 railtypes    says the grfspec, so yep
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17:26:24  <V453000> I assume that includes RAIL, ELRL, MONO, MGLV
17:35:20  <Alberth> if you want to support them, yep, would be my guess
17:35:53  <Alberth> but I never carefully studied railtypes
17:36:51  <Alberth> Samu: You reported a crash in Trans that was caused by your "company-0 can be an AI" change?
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17:55:39  <MonkeyDrone> damn, how big is OTTD source code file?
17:55:47  <MonkeyDrone> 294MB and still downloading
17:56:35  <glx> hmm trunk only or you are downloading from root ?
17:58:48  <planetmaker> MonkeyDrone, you then surely download the source of everything, including every release version. Checkout trunk only for the current state
17:58:56  <planetmaker> do not checkout svn root
17:59:06  <MonkeyDrone> planetmaker: hehe, too late
17:59:27  <MonkeyDrone> planetmaker: unless it's in GBs , i should stop,
17:59:34  <MonkeyDrone> oh crap,i see it, its downloading 1.0.4 right now..
18:00:17  <MonkeyDrone> thanks planetmaker, i just wanted to go through the code and see how it was written and stuff
18:00:35  <glx> src dir is around 40MB
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18:01:11  <glx> my trunk dir is 3.4GB but that includes object files :)
18:01:29  <Alberth> hola
18:01:45  <planetmaker> MonkeyDrone, 2GB is svn root on my disk
18:01:47  <MonkeyDrone> glx: damn
18:01:52  <MonkeyDrone> planetmaker: ouch...
18:01:59  <MonkeyDrone> grabbing 1.6  src files now
18:02:04  <Alberth> MonkeyDrone:   checkout from root svn contains all releases ever done in source form
18:02:09  <andythenorth> catmaker
18:02:14  <andythenorth> hi planetmaker o/
18:02:23  <MonkeyDrone> Alberth: yeah, i noticed when i looked at hte files downloading, it was doing 1.0.4 xD
18:02:36  <planetmaker> \o
18:02:45  <Alberth> you definitely want to add "/trunk"  at the end :)
18:03:07  <planetmaker> yeah, better grab trunk source instead of releases like 1.6.x
18:03:32  <Alberth> planets now include cats, or the other way around?
18:04:03  <planetmaker> that depends on the view point ;)
18:04:05  <MonkeyDrone> alright, will try to grab ze trunk
18:04:13  <MonkeyDrone> ah, 12mb 1.6 source
18:04:54  <MonkeyDrone> nvm 87MB, i'm going blind in my old age
18:04:56  <Alberth> and that includes the subversion meta data
18:05:14  <Alberth> which at least used to contain a copy as well
18:10:09  <andythenorth> is cat?
18:14:08  <Alberth> copy cat
18:19:07  <frosch123> hoi
18:22:39  <andythenorth> sea cat
18:22:46  <andythenorth> lake cat :P
18:23:33  <andythenorth> test game with Road Hog anyone?
18:23:37  <andythenorth> all trucks are ~ok
18:23:44  <andythenorth> trams are good 1870-1950 or so
18:23:47  <andythenorth> then broken sprites :P
18:23:51  <andythenorth> ‘work in progress'
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18:25:54  <Samu> Alberth: hi, AIs can get company 0 too
18:25:59  <Samu> not my patch
18:26:21  <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/7966/tramz-aug-2016.png
18:26:49  <Samu> i was testing dedicated servers
18:27:14  <Samu> first company created by an AI is 0
18:27:29  <Alberth> Samu: ok, fair enough
18:28:04  <Samu> testing trans requires me to take company 0, and wait for it to start on company 1
18:28:08  <frosch123> are the courier trams for mail?
18:28:13  <andythenorth> yes
18:28:18  <andythenorth> and other express cargos
18:28:21  <frosch123> such ttd :p
18:28:25  <andythenorth> such
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18:28:49  <frosch123> is the green the second cc?
18:28:54  <frosch123> or are they just green?
18:29:42  <Alberth> Samu: sounds like a bug that also exists in trunk then, that's what I was wondering about, thank you
18:30:01  <Samu> why would it be a bug:(
18:30:07  <andythenorth> the green is 2cc, except the fruit trams
18:30:12  <Samu> i think it's trans ai that's bug
18:30:15  <andythenorth> fruit trams are olive green
18:30:25  <Samu> the other ais don't have this problem
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18:33:05  <Alberth> likely
18:38:10  <andythenorth> metal tram? o_O http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_06_2011/post-6861-0-53012800-1308516787_thumb.jpg
18:39:43  <frosch123> do they fall down when braking?
18:40:48  <andythenorth> maybe :P
18:40:50  <andythenorth> http://nebula.wsimg.com/obj/OTFEMURDNDczM0E0RTYwRDg2Rjg6MTY5MjkyNTQyOTQ2OTdlZWJkYzBiODFhNGY5Mzg4MjA6Ojo6OjA=
18:40:59  <andythenorth> I could use the fire cycle?
18:41:04  <andythenorth> doesn’t work on my computer, but eh :)
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19:28:38  <supermop> ding ding
19:45:51  <supermop> andythenorth: nice green fruit boxes
19:46:07  <supermop> abt to start a hog game
19:46:12  <supermop> 1890?
19:46:19  <andythenorth> got the latest from bundles?
19:46:39  <supermop> bananas but ill get a nightly
19:46:55  <supermop> if thats where to find them?
19:47:51  <andythenorth> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/road-hog/push/
19:53:04  <supermop> worth grabbing a current horse to go with it?
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19:55:11  <andythenorth> yes
19:55:16  <andythenorth> latest is on bananas though
19:55:23  <andythenorth> only the brit roster
19:55:29  <andythenorth> none of the others are done enough yet
19:58:11  <supermop> what gs to use mm
20:22:18  <andythenorth> bee
20:22:24  <andythenorth> with FIRS
20:22:58  <ST2> Extreme economy ;)
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20:45:04  <andythenorth> Extreme lacks sources of chemicals
20:45:05  <andythenorth> lame
20:45:41  <andythenorth> only 4 industry types producing them :P
20:46:10  <andythenorth> 8 consuming
20:47:15  <ST2> we have 2 servers with FIRS (Extreme) and a player suggested a later start year because "some" industries only appear after 2001 - Petroleum fuel was in the case
20:47:38  <ST2> I actually changed the start year but dnt ask me more details... FIRS noob here xD
20:49:15  <andythenorth> biorefineries probably
20:49:45  <andythenorth> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/industries.html#biorefinery
20:49:57  <andythenorth> only available from 2001 http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/code_reference.html#industries
20:50:03  <andythenorth> probably a bad design choice
20:50:09  <andythenorth> realism > gameplay :(
20:50:37  <Eddi|zuHause> everything looks like wrong design from some angle...
20:50:45  <Eddi|zuHause> doesn't mean it actually is wrong design
20:50:51  <ST2> hehe
20:51:01  <ST2> well, since only one... must be it :)
20:51:19  <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: one way to test the design is empirically :)
20:51:39  <andythenorth> and date restrictictions on industries aren’t surviving very well :)
20:51:52  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: but for "empirical" tests you have a too small test sample and no proper control group
20:52:37  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: you only ever hear from the people that dislike some aspect, not from the people that like that very same aspect
20:52:48  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: so your test results are biased
20:53:27  <supermop> not enough to haul about with hogs in arctic
20:54:12  <andythenorth> 'test'
20:54:21  <andythenorth> mostly they are biased by my opinion
20:54:30  <andythenorth> that _never_ happens in real science :P
20:55:19  <andythenorth> ho ethanol industry is much older than I knew
20:55:20  <andythenorth> :P
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20:56:31  <andythenorth> Henry Ford recommended ethanol as preferred fuel for Ford Model T
20:59:21  <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: I have the idea (not not the urge to implement it) - have all industries always available, but modify the industry probability by date
20:59:34  <andythenorth> the game doesn’t build industries frequently enough to bother though
20:59:46  <andythenorth> -not
21:00:00  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: ethanol is as old as drunk people...
21:00:45  <Eddi|zuHause> and of course distilled alcohol is very well known as a flammable substance
21:02:44  <andythenorth> hmm
21:02:56  <andythenorth> maintaining relative probabilities over time is too hard
21:02:59  <andythenorth> nice idea though
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22:55:04  <Wolf01> 'night
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23:32:30  <Samu> 2012, 2035, 2042, 2027

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