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Log for #openttd on 11th November 2016:
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01:52:44  <supermop_> yo Supercheese
01:53:01  <Supercheese> Hullo
01:55:44  <supermop_> wondering if i should buy a new computer for this TF game
02:05:29  <Eddi|zuHause> that's usually the wrong sort of thought.
02:41:10  <supermop_> need some excuse to buy a new computer eventually
02:42:45  <supermop_> yellow signal accelleration patch has some interesting effects
02:44:11  <supermop_> one being that you basically need a stretch of desert to build a test track
02:44:30  <supermop_> to try out new trains
02:46:41  <supermop_> another being that you may need to adjust your ideas of scale around cities, as trains will crawl into stations under default settings
02:47:36  <supermop_> and a basic terminus will have a drastically reduced capacity to turn around trains
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04:48:52  <Eddi|zuHause> so, it's now 1900 and i'm finally able to make decent money
04:49:45  <Eddi|zuHause> using mostly ships
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08:38:09  <andythenorth> o/
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10:15:22  * peter1138 smirks at QC
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10:25:24  <goodger> quality control is the worst
10:26:01  <Eddi|zuHause> ... except having no QC is even worse
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10:35:26  <Wolf01> Moin
10:35:40  <goodger> goedemorgen
10:35:55  <Eddi|zuHause> goodgermorgen
10:36:21  <Eddi|zuHause> it's almost midday, anyway.
10:38:54  <goodger> goedemiddag in advance then, Eddi|zuHause
10:40:07  <Wolf01> Shit is 11/11 today, not 10/11
10:40:41  <Wolf01> I lost an entire day on TF
10:41:15  <Eddi|zuHause> at least 11:11 is already over
10:41:29  <Wolf01> Ha, missed that too
10:41:50  <Eddi|zuHause> that's the time when all the crazy people come out of their holes
10:43:28  <Wolf01> Car maintenance today, for the first time I've seen my car doing 28km/l - 3,5l/100km... gasoline
10:44:00  <goodger> noice
10:44:05  <Wolf01> No, it's the second time, the first time is when I purchased it
10:44:19  <peter1138> 11:11 UTC is not here yet.
10:44:54  <Eddi|zuHause> nobody cares about UTC :p
10:45:46  <goodger> the two-minute silence on armistice day is actually at 11:00 GMT
10:45:53  <Wolf01> I usually do 4,5-5,5l/100km, miracles of additives
10:46:15  <Eddi|zuHause> goodger: that's not what i'm talking about
10:46:19  <goodger> http://newsthump.com/2016/11/11/two-minute-silence-to-mark-trumps-election-victory/
10:47:07  <Eddi|zuHause> goodger: 11.11. 11:11 is the time when carneval season starts, so people make lots and lots of noise
10:50:54  <goodger> oh, right
10:51:59  <peter1138> carnival eh
10:52:44  <Eddi|zuHause> goodger: and if you ask random peole on the street what the date 11.11. means, that is what they will tell you, nobody will answer "armistice day"
10:52:44  <peter1138> karn evil 9
10:52:53  <peter1138> yeah, well, germans...
10:53:36  <goodger> when you say random peole on the street, is that just the area within 250 metres of your house?
10:53:54  <Eddi|zuHause> no, more like 250km
10:54:13  <goodger> very good
11:01:56  <Wolf01> I think I'm hungry
11:02:06  <goodger> one way to find out
11:02:20  <Wolf01> But it's too late to hunt for some biscuits
11:03:33  <peter1138> never too late
11:03:55  <Wolf01> Ok, I'll eat one, just one
11:04:25  <peter1138> Yes, just one. Packet.
11:04:36  <Wolf01> That's the problem
11:05:48  <Wolf01> What have I done... I'm even more hungry now
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11:19:25  <goodger> :D
11:19:33  <peter1138> hah
11:24:06  <Wolf01> What happened to the horizontal layout for pdf? I remember that I read books with 2 pages on screen instead of scrolling down
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11:26:44  <Eddi|zuHause> shouldn't that be a setting in your pdf viewer?
11:26:58  <Wolf01> They removed everything from adobe reader
11:27:14  <goodger> I bet the mail client is still there
11:27:15  <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't used adobe in ages
11:28:41  <Wolf01> The windows reader app has the "2 pages" settings but ignores it
11:29:12  <Eddi|zuHause> must also set zoom to "full page"
11:29:22  <Wolf01> Eh, that made it
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11:29:54  <Wolf01> Poorly done ebook, misses a white page after cover
11:30:26  <Wolf01> The pages are coupled back to back instead of left-right
11:31:06  <Eddi|zuHause> disable 2-page, scroll to an even/odd page, and reenable it to see if it correctly aligns now?
11:31:09  <Wolf01> Ok, enabled frontispiece seem to fix that
11:32:05  <Eddi|zuHause> most of these things can be solved, just need to find the right setting
11:33:55  <peter1138> evince has all those options
11:33:59  <peter1138> mostly
11:34:16  <goodger> as does okular
11:34:28  <Wolf01> The weird thing is that settings didn't do anything, I had to right click to bring on the toolbars
11:35:16  <Wolf01> Maybe settings just set the default behaviour for new opened pdfs
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11:56:56  <Alberth> o/
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12:39:02  <crem> \o
12:49:04  <Wolf01> o/
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14:28:43  <supermop> yo
14:29:56  <Alberth> o/
14:31:19  <supermop> hows it going Alberth
14:32:08  <Alberth> trying to get started coding, but it's not going anywhere fast today :)
14:32:09  <Wolf01> http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aZB3Wmn_460s.jpg
14:33:21  <Alberth> actually, pointers is not the problem, object lifetime management is :)
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14:45:09  <Wolf01> Actually the problem is using pointers without knowing consequences
14:47:59  <Alberth> that counts too :p
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16:02:37  <LordAro> Alberth: needs more smart pointer, clearly :)
16:06:19  <Alberth> for some value of smart, sure :)
16:06:23  <Alberth> hihi :)
16:06:42  <Alberth> openttd lacks a few such things :p
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16:09:11  <Alberth> not sure there exist a pointer that you can give to other objects without immediately handing it over, or sharing it
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16:56:37  <Wolf01> Uhuhuhuh fff
17:04:36  <supermop> if you want any decent amount of snow in game, there is no way to place farms in SE
17:04:46  <supermop> because cant place them on snow
17:05:05  <supermop> and SE / map generation is at Jan. 1
17:07:33  <Alberth> ha, nice problem :p
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17:08:47  <Wolf01> Effectively, that was a problem I noticed when I was working on trees
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17:09:32  <Wolf01> I wanted to check how trees changed with snowline, but I couldn't change the date :P
17:09:59  <Alberth> nor the snowline height, I guess :)
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17:11:35  <Alberth> andy cat
17:11:38  <Wolf01> Don't underestimate the power of changing values while debugging :P
17:11:45  <Wolf01> o/
17:11:47  <Alberth> haha :)
17:12:23  <Wolf01> Breaking any sort of thing, worse than removing a grf
17:13:45  <Wolf01> Uhm, must go now, my people need me
17:13:49  <Wolf01> Bye
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17:16:25  <supermop> andythenorth: let me build farms in the snow
17:17:02  <supermop> at least below the summer snowline
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17:26:18  <supermop> let me build a perfect FIRS world i can crawl into and hide in
17:29:57  <V453000> yo
17:30:41  <Alberth> o/
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19:06:15  <supermop> wow a lot happened in here while i was at lunch
19:17:26  <Alberth> most was absorbed by the internet
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19:24:46  <Alberth> o/
19:38:37  <V453000> when I save with this
19:38:37  <V453000> photoshop-ttd-dos-noact-no1cc.act - Photoshop palette DOS, no action and no company colours (768 Bytes) planetmaker, 2013-09-12 12:31
19:38:43  <V453000> nmlc tells me it's not a valid palette
19:38:45  <V453000> what wrong?
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19:42:52  <V453000> same shit for the noact palette with CC
19:43:00  <V453000> how do I define the palette even?
19:43:53  <V453000> as in, how to create the .act
19:45:15  <V453000> oh or do I first convert the 32bpp image into noact-no1cc, and after that save it to normal palette?
19:45:24  <V453000> as the indexes get rid of in the first conversion already?
19:59:15  <V453000> ok seems to do it
20:10:42  <Alberth> ok :)
20:17:00  <V453000> well so far 32bpp looks downright retarded
20:17:12  <V453000> either white pixels all over the place, or blue pixels all over the place
20:18:08  <V453000> hm
20:18:10  <V453000> wondering how to solve
20:18:29  <V453000> probably unsolvable
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20:26:47  <Alberth> some applications don't really understand they shouldn't touch the palette
20:27:28  <Alberth> don't know if that includes photoshop
20:28:41  <V453000> well it has to
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20:28:55  <V453000> semi-transparency in antialiased sprites
20:30:23  <V453000> btw what could cause 32bpp to hit a performance massively?
20:40:09  <Alberth> DOS palette doesn't have opacity :)
20:40:34  <Alberth> or rather, it has only fully opaque colours
20:40:37  <V453000> is that the perforance hit?
20:40:52  <V453000> I know that, it's an issue with the conversions ... wondering how to solve it
20:41:16  <Alberth> not sure you can solve it, how do you know what colour to use under it?
20:41:30  <V453000> well yeah exactly
20:41:49  <V453000> only way could be to kill the alpha
20:42:00  <Alberth> I agree with that
20:42:10  <V453000> I can't think of any other option
20:42:26  <V453000> it won't look great, but I don't think that's expected
20:43:19  <Alberth> it looks great within the limitations of the DOS palette :)
20:44:06  <V453000> ..
20:44:12  <V453000> is still shit :P
20:44:16  <V453000> hand drawn looks nice
20:44:55  <Alberth> yep, can't really produce that kind of quality automagically
20:45:52  <V453000> mhm
20:49:02  <V453000> pikka's way of approaching 8bpp isn't so bad now :P
20:49:42  <Alberth> what does he do?
20:50:01  <V453000> provide empty "placeholder"
20:51:14  <Alberth> ah, sneaky :)
20:51:33  <Alberth> save an easter egg in it :p
20:52:59  <V453000> i'll give something, but it will likely look bullshit
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21:20:56  <Alberth> nn
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