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02:48:46  <Eddi|zuHause> anyone awake? i need help with metaquestions :(
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10:12:36  <Wolf01> o/
10:13:40  <__ln__> hello telecomitalia
10:14:23  <Wolf01> You meant "hello shitty isp"?
10:14:43  <__ln__> dunno how shitty it is, never used
10:15:32  <Wolf01> Usually I'm connected at 4Mbps and the download speed matches 1-2Mbps because the lines are saturated
10:16:26  <__ln__> let me cheer you up with my own speedtest result: http://www.speedtest.net/result/5659412586.png
10:16:35  <Wolf01> Lol
10:17:41  <Wolf01> This night they reset their stuff and after that I was able to take a speedtest result of 4.93Mbps
10:17:53  <Wolf01> Too bad it won't last
10:17:59  <__ln__> is your 4Mbps ADSL2 or VDSL or something?
10:18:21  <Wolf01> I have a 7Mbps ADSL2
10:19:43  <__ln__> what's the nominal upload speed?
10:20:30  <Wolf01> I think 500Kbps, usually I have 450
10:21:20  <__ln__> admittedly that's a bit low by today's standards
10:21:36  <__ln__> how much does it cost per month?
10:21:47  <Wolf01> Too much, 32€/M
10:22:02  <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: speedtests are often skewed because ISPs whose lines are saturated and do traffic shaping will prioritize them
10:22:46  <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: like people tried downloading large files, and as soon as they opened an url with *speedtest* in the name, the download rate tripled
10:23:41  <__ln__> Eddi|zuHause: quite possible, and the highest download speed i've achieved in reality is around 400 Mbps.  (steam, and some other place)
10:23:44  <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: when they switched us from 16mbit ADSL to 50mbit vdsl, the price went down by 5€
10:24:29  <Wolf01> Steam downloads work really well, but I think they have some compression, it usually downloads at 480KB/s with peaks of 500KB/s
10:25:09  <Wolf01> The problem here is the ping... >150ms is not acceptable
10:25:13  <__ln__> Wolf01: what kinds of speeds and prices does telecomitalia offer in big cities?
10:26:02  <Wolf01> In big cities they usually have FTTH, but I don't know the prices, no FTTH here so I never looked at that
10:28:15  <Wolf01> You can have 20Mbps VDSL (which doesn't really work here) but for business, no offers for private
10:29:23  <Wolf01> Oh, nice, 7Mbps costs only 22€/M but only for new customers
10:29:37  <__ln__> are wireless 3G, 4G things popular over there, as the only internet connection at home?
10:30:09  <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: usually, if you make enough noise, you can get the "new customer" bonuses as well
10:31:25  <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: i don't know about italy, but in germany, these kind of wireless connections come with severe traffic limits
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10:32:29  <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: like before we had 16mbit via phone cable, they offered us 16mbit via LTE, with a 5GB/month traffic limit
10:32:34  <Wolf01> We have a WiMAX isp here, but I should call them to take a test here to be sure I can use them
10:33:19  <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: that was at a time where i maxed out my land line with like 60GB per month
10:33:26  <Wolf01> And finally they have a flat offer, because it was limited until last year
10:34:38  <__ln__> over here, very sadly, 3G/4G seems to be the national strategy for providing internet access to people especially in less populated areas. some ISPs have data caps on those, some not.
10:34:43  <Wolf01> And the price is 24€/M without the 30€/M lease
10:35:02  <Wolf01> (because I'm paying 32+30€/M)
10:37:13  <Wolf01> This is the only alternative I have: https://translate.google.it/translate?sl=it&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=it&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.eolo.it%2Fhome%2Fcasa%2Finformazioni%2Fcome-funziona-eolo%2Ftecnologia-eolo.html&edit-text=&act=url
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10:55:14  <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: yeah, but you live in a densely populated and well-developed country.
10:57:38  <__ln__> finland is roughly the same size as germany, but only 1/16 of its population.
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15:21:50  <Alberth> o/
15:29:09  <supermop_> yo Alberth
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15:41:00  <Alberth> hi hi
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17:24:59  <supermop_> this internet is horrible
17:27:06  <Wolf01> Yours? Read the logs about mine...
17:27:38  <supermop_> i should just go work from home
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17:55:32  <Lejving> how's the best way to either use openttd+ graphics (as in I don't have to write much new code for tiles and shit, just copy it) or how can I just make the graphics be what ever the user is using?
17:55:57  <Lejving> like I just want to modify the power plant to also accept another cargo, but I have to change the tiles for that and that also changes the graphics
17:56:30  <Eddi|zuHause> you can have the tiles refer to base graphics, i think
17:56:40  <Lejving> that sounds good
17:56:54  <frosch123> you need to make sure that you "override" the tiles
17:57:00  <frosch123> and then just do not provide any graphics
17:57:07  <frosch123> i think that should fall back to default
17:57:20  <Lejving> yeah I didn't get get the override and substitute shiet
17:58:20  <frosch123> substitute copies original data to your new tile
17:58:32  <frosch123> override copies your new tile to original data
17:58:48  <Lejving> hmm
17:59:00  <frosch123> you always need "substitute"
17:59:06  <frosch123> "override" is optional and rate
17:59:08  <frosch123> *rare
17:59:22  <Lejving> yeah was about to say, when I removed substitute it was gone
18:00:02  <frosch123> hmm, you may not even need the override actually
18:00:17  <frosch123> i guess it depends on whether you also replace industry layouts
18:00:46  <Lejving> well see that's the problem I think
18:00:59  <Lejving> because I couldn't figure out how to get the cargo working without adding new layout?
18:01:32  <frosch123> i guess it's either "new layout" or "override tiles"
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18:04:42  <Lejving> http://i.imgur.com/JuC9SI3.png
18:04:48  <Lejving> this is without tilelayout
18:05:03  <Lejving> the station won't accept new cargo :S
18:05:30  <Lejving> so I add tilelayout -> I have to provide graphics also?
18:05:46  <frosch123> "etwas kühl" <- i love spam that comes from a literal translation from english
18:06:39  <frosch123> Lejving: tiles will default to the graphics matching the "substitute"
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18:08:55  <Lejving> then my tilelayout code is wrong
18:13:03  <frosch123> hmm, maybe there is a grf format limitation that prevents it from working ...
18:14:54  <Lejving> http://pastebin.com/fRWN1G0x
18:15:22  <frosch123> INDUSTRYTYPE_POWER_PLANT <- that is a industry type
18:15:26  <frosch123> not a industry tile type
18:15:37  <Lejving> lol
18:15:42  <Lejving> even says so in the name
18:15:46  <Lejving> how can it be clearer :D
18:16:51  <frosch123> anyway, if you only want to change properties: definitely use the "override" solution without tilelayout
18:18:05  <Lejving> then we're back to the problem of the station not accepting cargo
18:18:13  <Lejving> http://i.imgur.com/JuC9SI3.png
18:18:14  <Lejving> like this
18:18:21  <frosch123> well, use the correct ids :)
18:18:24  <frosch123> not industry ids
18:19:10  <Lejving> allrighty then!
18:19:19  <Lejving> *makes industrytile for every tile* lol
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18:31:42  <Lejving> it seems to be working frosch123, ty (dunno if you saw before netsplit)
18:32:01  <frosch123> nice :)
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18:32:47  <Lejving> different sizes and animation is a later problem lol
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18:47:15  <andythenorth> o
18:48:02  <Lejving> \o
18:52:08  <frosch123> https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Elektromobilitaet-Praxistest-von-Oberleitungs-Lkw-auf-zwei-Strecken-ab-Ende-2018-3605961.html <- andythenorth: notroadtypes
18:52:50  <andythenorth> yes
18:52:53  <andythenorth> Scania have it too
18:53:11  <andythenorth> https://www.scania.com/group/en/worlds-first-electric-road-opens-in-sweden/
18:53:12  <andythenorth> elroad
18:53:16  <frosch123> scania is picture 4 at the bottom
18:53:40  <frosch123> ah, even bigger picture :)
18:54:00  <andythenorth> https://www.scania.com/group/en/worlds-first-electric-road-opens-in-sweden/
18:54:04  <andythenorth> oops bad paste
18:54:06  <andythenorth> http://hutnyak.com/ItalianTrolley.html
18:54:43  <frosch123> well, electrified road within cities is nothing new
18:54:52  <frosch123> but highspeed road is weird
18:55:06  <andythenorth> ELHAUL http://www.womp-int.com/story/2011vol09/story024.htm
18:55:37  <frosch123> :)
18:57:23  <andythenorth> maybe I should add ELHAUL
18:57:28  <andythenorth> just for larks
18:57:36  <frosch123> ELHL
18:57:42  <frosch123> EHAU
18:57:53  <frosch123> EHUL
18:58:20  <frosch123> EAUL is weird
18:58:48  <andythenorth> ELHL
18:59:06  <andythenorth> it’s a total novelty though :)
18:59:10  * andythenorth resists it
19:01:05  <andythenorth> frosch123: are you still keeping SV scores?
19:01:07  <supermop__> ELDIRT
19:01:13  <frosch123> i never did
19:01:24  <frosch123> i kept ncg scores
19:01:33  <andythenorth> oops :)
19:01:46  <Lejving> tesla would've been happy in his pants if he saw those pics
19:02:49  <andythenorth> SV seemed to work particularly well with paper in this economy http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/economies.html#arctic_basic
19:05:17  <Lejving> now how come my toyland graphics are totally dun goofed outside of toyland :(
19:05:34  <supermop__> toyland uses a different pallete
19:06:21  <Lejving> oh god
19:06:38  <Lejving> hey openttd graphics guy
19:06:41  <Lejving> chris sawer jr
19:06:43  <Lejving> you suck!
19:06:54  <supermop__> foster
19:06:56  <frosch123> supermop__: only for water
19:07:06  <frosch123> and who uses animated water in industries?
19:07:18  * andythenorth does
19:07:20  <andythenorth> but can’t see it
19:07:23  <supermop__> water factory?
19:07:30  <andythenorth> ports :P
19:07:35  <Lejving> foster should start foster me when I'm in feutal position crying in the shower
19:08:03  <Eddi|zuHause> don't the oil rigs use animated water?
19:08:08  <frosch123> Lejving: it's just the water :) don't believe everything on the internet
19:08:16  <Lejving> :)
19:08:31  <supermop__> no believe me. 1.5 million people came to my birthday party
19:08:33  <andythenorth> palette animation is so 2004 anyway :P
19:09:18  <supermop__> andythenorth: Toyland Extreme for Firs?
19:09:26  <andythenorth> yes those are some words
19:09:31  <andythenorth> you have put them into an order
19:09:36  <andythenorth> but they don’t make sense to me
19:09:37  <supermop__> alternate facts
19:09:38  <Eddi|zuHause> <frosch123> EAUL is weird <-- sounds like people making Arnold Schwarzenegger impressions
19:09:57  <andythenorth> new economy: guns, boots, motorcycles
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19:10:38  <supermop__> oil->plastic->legos->+ lego supplies ->lego sets -> Andy's house
19:10:42  <Lejving> I have a .bat script that compiles and copies the new file to openttd
19:10:45  <Lejving> I feel like a hacker
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19:11:08  <Lejving> should apply for csi
19:11:10  <andythenorth> supermop__: Andy’s house -> sold on facebook
19:11:20  <andythenorth> Lejving: it all starts there :P
19:11:21  <frosch123> yeah, .bat was amazing in 1990
19:11:27  <supermop__> ebay industry
19:11:27  <andythenorth> I used to have a copy-paste shell command
19:11:49  <andythenorth> so I played a game yesterday
19:11:55  <frosch123> then i learned that unix had better stuff 30 years before
19:11:58  <supermop__> beech forest -> wood -> paint -> Brio
19:12:25  <andythenorth> everything that needed to be better in my game….
19:12:31  <andythenorth> …was in newgrfs I have made :|
19:12:32  <supermop__> plastic+beech= thomas
19:13:11  <Eddi|zuHause> i had so much fun with bat files
19:13:17  <frosch123> andythenorth: sounds like the universe is always at fault
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19:13:19  * andythenorth should make a new pony list post
19:13:23  <andythenorth> ponies
19:13:26  <andythenorth> - fix FIRS
19:13:28  <andythenorth> - fix Sam
19:13:31  <andythenorth> - fix Road Hog
19:13:34  <andythenorth> etc
19:13:35  <andythenorth> :P
19:13:45  <Eddi|zuHause> i had a (humoristic/educational) book called "Batchman"
19:14:04  <andythenorth> https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=46689&hilit=pony
19:14:06  <Eddi|zuHause> which taught all kinds of weird tricks
19:14:25  <supermop__> does humoristic mean was not actually humorous, but attempted to be?
19:14:44  <frosch123> supermop__: it was probably a german book
19:14:59  <Eddi|zuHause> https://www.amazon.de/Batchman-Fortsetzung-MS-DOSe-verschärften-Mitteln/dp/3893903291
19:15:00  <Lejving> which I was a little bit older so I got to experience the commodore area
19:15:43  <frosch123> andythenorth: the funny part of that list is that none of the "likely ones" happened
19:16:08  <andythenorth> “and so we learn the perils of predicting the future"
19:16:52  <andythenorth> “goals framework” was the one I’d have lost the most money on as a bet
19:16:57  <andythenorth> I thought we’d never get that
19:17:05  <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: drück die taste und ich haste
19:17:58  * andythenorth invents some new ponies
19:18:02  <Lejving> http://i.imgur.com/OE0HuxV.png
19:18:05  <Lejving> what's up with the tracks
19:19:19  <Eddi|zuHause> the person who made that book also made calendars
19:19:41  <Eddi|zuHause> i think we had one for 1992 and one for 1994
19:20:48  <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i don't know what changed, but in the past month i got as much spam as in the past 5 years combined
19:21:39  <Lejving> you made enemies with a spammer
19:22:10  <frosch123> did it became more entertaining at least?
19:23:25  <Eddi|zuHause> no
19:28:32  <andythenorth> did I miss any? o_O https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1181978#p1181978
19:28:46  <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: I have a nuclear solution to that
19:29:01  <andythenorth> don’t read email
19:30:05  <andythenorth> oh I missed ‘consist management’ off the list
19:30:59  * andythenorth fixes
19:31:19  <frosch123> andythenorth: s/SLD/SDL/ and you miss "station showing cargo amount according to 'throughput' instead of 'waiting'"
19:31:27  <frosch123> or is the latter only an eddi thing?
19:31:44  <andythenorth> ask Eddi|zuHause :)
19:31:55  <andythenorth> I want to know when I’ve failed to provide enough vehicles
19:32:04  <andythenorth> there is some irony in drawing all these cargos for CHIPS
19:32:11  <andythenorth> and then aiming to never see them in a game :P
19:32:19  <frosch123> anyway, i just thought yesterday that we need sdl2, harfbuzz and os cursors
19:32:21  <andythenorth> cargo waiting = failure, andon, alert
19:32:39  <Eddi|zuHause> the "planned cargo" is something like throughput
19:32:44  <andythenorth> who’s the simutrans guy? Prissi?
19:32:46  * andythenorth looks
19:33:02  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, Prissi
19:33:11  <andythenorth> https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1106260#p1106260
19:33:25  <andythenorth> seems that SDL2 would be worse for everyone except me and snail
19:33:53  <frosch123> well, i would hope that using sdl2 would not require removing sdl1
19:34:02  <supermop__> throughput only seems valuable for the bikes parked outside of the station house?
19:34:10  <frosch123> if not at runtime then at least at compiletime
19:34:35  <andythenorth> oic :)
19:34:38  <frosch123> also 2013-2017 can be a long time
19:34:45  <andythenorth> these are things above my pay grade :)
19:35:02  <andythenorth> although at the current £sterling exchange rate, everything is above my pay grade :P
19:35:36  <supermop__> 7 years since original pony post huh
19:36:35  <supermop__> in 7 years i have released 1 buggy newgrf
19:36:40  <supermop__> and that's it
19:38:05  <Eddi|zuHause>  <supermop__> throughput only seems valuable for the bikes parked outside of the station house? <-- the main problem is that cargo stations where you always have "full load" will always look empty
19:38:25  <Eddi|zuHause> so you never see all the piles and stuff
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19:40:43  <supermop__> Eddi|zuHause: it is a similar problem for the bikes though - the best served stations will have the fewest bikes locked up outside
19:41:26  <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: is your goal eye candy, or andon?
19:41:27  <andythenorth> o_O
19:41:32  <supermop__> i don't mind not seeing piles when none is waiting, but it would be cool to see more equipment at busy stations
19:42:13  <Eddi|zuHause> supermop__: yes, things should look less deserted
19:42:22  <supermop__> so a station could be empty tiles, and if a lot of coal passes through , you see more trucks, conveyors, spilled coal on the ground
19:42:28  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: what else other than eye candy are station graphics?
19:42:40  <supermop__> even if not a huge pile you see evidence of coal handling
19:42:41  <frosch123> busywork
19:42:42  <andythenorth> visual indicator of failure
19:42:53  <andythenorth> cargo waiting = I screwed up
19:43:06  <supermop__> bikes outside = success
19:43:26  <Eddi|zuHause> bikes, parking lots, whatever
19:43:47  <supermop__> Eddi|zuHause: load speed malus for platform and building types?
19:43:54  <andythenorth> this can be done without a spec extension?
19:44:01  <supermop__> slow to load coal from metro platforms
19:44:15  <Eddi|zuHause> supermop__: totally different category of issue
19:44:27  <supermop__> station rating decrease to load passengers from a tipple
19:44:36  <Eddi|zuHause> supermop__: the current station specs don't allow for changing any actual behaviour
19:44:36  <supermop__> Eddi|zuHause: yes but amusing
19:44:47  <supermop__> for some definitions of amusing
19:45:07  <andythenorth> this strikes me as one of those innocuous sounding stories that totally change a game http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-38737693
19:45:55  <frosch123> [20:43] <andythenorth> this can be done without a spec extension? <- partly, you know some history, but not the amounts
19:46:05  <andythenorth> you know the station rating?
19:46:13  <andythenorth> and whether anything is waiting?
19:46:17  <frosch123> you can check for cargo being accepted this months or last month
19:46:26  <andythenorth> high rating, low waiting = high throughput (as a proxy)
19:46:43  * andythenorth is making this up as he goes along
19:47:18  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: to me it sounds like the intro of an apocalyptic horror movie
19:47:18  <frosch123> well, depens on whether you want to display incoming or outgoing cargo
19:47:39  <supermop__> what if player is using FIRS 1 with 100% rating setting
19:48:22  <frosch123> maybe stations should only use "time since last pick-up"
19:48:40  <frosch123> and show various grades of old/rusty/broken
19:48:56  <frosch123> decayed/..
19:49:12  <supermop__> frosch123: that would be nice
19:49:33  <frosch123> it's available, make a grf :)
19:49:33  * andythenorth wonders how hard nml stations would be
19:49:45  <frosch123> andythenorth: there is a devzone task with the spec :)
19:49:54  <andythenorth> the nfo station spec is spectacularly odd
19:50:01  <andythenorth> it’s just like nothing else in newgrf
19:50:07  <andythenorth> ‘everything you know is wrong’ :P
19:50:31  <frosch123> iirc we made the nml spec so that it simulates the industry behaviour somewhat
19:50:41  <frosch123> to make it less insane
19:51:35  <andythenorth> I’ll amend the pony list
19:53:17  <andythenorth> also from my test game
19:53:29  <andythenorth> +/- 25% capacity refits on ships works
19:53:35  <andythenorth> seems best solution to matching ship size to route
19:54:03  <andythenorth> it’s a shame that it cannot be handled in station refit orders, even theoretically, but eh
19:55:00  <V453000> omg NML stationsd
19:55:04  <V453000> I'm all ears
19:55:26  <V453000> CATS alive?
19:55:41  <andythenorth> eh, it would need someone to do it :P
19:55:55  <andythenorth> ‘in 2017 I will mostly be making ships'
19:59:05  <Lejving> now why the fuck is tortoise crying about authorization
19:59:29  <supermop__> in 7102 Andy will still mostly be making ships
20:00:53  <Alberth> Lejving: trying to push to the devzone repo?
20:01:02  <Lejving> y
20:01:15  <Alberth> do you have access rights?
20:01:25  <Lejving> ask frosch123 !
20:01:30  <Lejving> (yes I should have)
20:01:35  <frosch123> i installed the public key
20:01:41  <frosch123> his task to install the private one :)
20:01:50  <Lejving> what kind of service is this?
20:01:51  <Lejving> MY TASK?
20:02:05  <Alberth> hg can't find the private key thus :)
20:02:05  <Lejving> I'm a paying customer!
20:02:29  <Lejving> last time I used a repo was in like 2008
20:02:36  <Alberth> private key must be installed at your system :)
20:02:42  <Lejving> thanks :)
20:02:42  <Lejving> on it
20:10:13  <andythenorth> supermop: by 7102 I’ll only be making automation of ships
20:10:20  <andythenorth> by then, I might have automated the automation even
20:11:23  <frosch123> in 7102 eddi will be mostly talking about state machines
20:11:39  <supermop__> maybe you will have made an ai that plays the game and gets irked by something, then complains to the automaton that makes the automation that makes the newgrfs
20:13:33  <frosch123> what if he already did that?
20:13:43  <frosch123> and the ai also uses irc?
20:15:53  <supermop__> i assume he has a robot built of lego, that then builds things out of lego
20:17:26  <andythenorth> your assumption is a bit off-base :P
20:17:35  <andythenorth> I have a 5 year old that builds things out of lego
20:17:42  <andythenorth> which is quite different
20:17:55  <andythenorth> I have a 6 year old that makes ottd feature requests also
20:18:06  <supermop__> can you get the 5yo to automate ships?
20:18:19  <Eddi|zuHause> are you sure that neither of those are AI?
20:18:39  <andythenorth> dunno
20:18:47  <andythenorth> hard to tell
20:18:58  <andythenorth> are we all cyborgs? etc
20:19:12  <andythenorth> I love strenuously outdated wiki pages https://wiki.openttd.org/Climates
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20:21:06  <frosch123> andythenorth: i am not sure whether stuff that was already false in the past is now outdated
20:21:42  <andythenorth> that is a fair point
20:21:54  <andythenorth> “The Sub-tropical climate is not as popular as the temperate climate as the choice of trains in Sub-tropical is the same as it was in Sub-arctic."
20:22:32  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure whoever wrote that had sophisticated evidence to make that claim
20:22:45  <Eddi|zuHause> he just did not cite his primary sources correctly
20:23:04  <Lejving> [citation needed]
20:23:48  <michi_cc> It's called alternative facts now.
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20:24:33  <supermop__> 1.5 million trains are available in sub-tropic
20:25:19  <frosch123> most text was written by boris
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20:30:46  <andythenorth> so game is pretty good
20:31:41  <andythenorth> if we had more developers, we could do some satisfying version 2.0
20:31:46  <andythenorth> deleting many many features
20:31:54  <Lejving> why is no files showing up on my project page now <.< it gave me no errors
20:32:01  <andythenorth> …but if we had more developers we’d never agree on what to delete :)
20:32:29  <Eddi|zuHause> Lejving: did you add any?
20:32:34  <Lejving> yes
20:32:41  <Eddi|zuHause> did you commit and push them?
20:32:52  <Lejving> yes
20:32:58  <Eddi|zuHause> are you sure?
20:33:01  <Lejving> no
20:33:03  <Lejving> :D
20:33:11  <andythenorth> Lejving: what’s the url to the project page?
20:33:20  <Lejving> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/soylent
20:33:32  <andythenorth> yeah repo is empty
20:34:12  <andythenorth> what does ‘hg st’ tell you?
20:34:29  <Lejving> ! x.c
20:34:48  <andythenorth> lawks :P
20:35:08  <Lejving> dafuq is lawks?! :D
20:35:17  <andythenorth> means I have no idea
20:35:40  <Lejving> all files are green, I just commited, I just pushed, I just syncrhonized, I just cried
20:36:19  <Lejving> can't remember it was this much of a problem last time I was gonna use a repo, that was svn though
20:36:34  <Lejving> and almost 10 years ago, I must be getting old or something
20:36:38  <Lejving> yeah let's blame age
20:37:03  <Eddi|zuHause> did you push to the right location?
20:37:14  <Lejving> probably not
20:37:18  <Eddi|zuHause> did you push the right branch?
20:37:54  <Lejving> hopefully
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20:41:16  <frosch123> the reposiory is empty on the server
20:41:23  <frosch123> but it has a timestamp from 8 minutes ago
20:41:59  <Lejving> my perma headache I've had last week isn't getting better :D
20:42:00  <andythenorth> using tortoise or something?
20:42:16  * andythenorth at risk of teaching grandma to suck eggs...
20:42:21  <andythenorth> …hg is different to svn
20:42:29  <andythenorth> have to add new files, then commit, then push
20:43:10  <andythenorth> it’s appears to be common to forget the ‘add’ part
20:43:18  * andythenorth does it a lot at least
20:43:39  <Eddi|zuHause> well, i did ask in exactly that order
20:44:07  <andythenorth> you did
20:49:48  <frosch123> now the repo seems to grow in size
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20:51:28  <frosch123> Lejving: random guess. you added the compiled .grf file, and devzone rejects the push because of that
20:51:34  <Lejving> yes
20:51:36  <Lejving> yes I did
20:51:55  <andythenorth> no compiled files in repo :)
20:51:56  <Lejving> :)
20:52:00  <Lejving> haters
20:52:05  <Lejving> ty
20:52:09  <andythenorth> you need .hgignore file
20:52:30  <andythenorth> not all of this is useful http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/road-hog/repository/entry/.hgignore
20:52:33  <andythenorth> but that’s one of mine
20:52:44  <andythenorth> way too much python / OS X stuff there for you though
20:52:56  <frosch123> latest xkcd seems to fit :)
20:53:25  <frosch123> andythenorth: how many phone numbers do you have?
20:53:32  <andythenorth> yes
20:53:35  <frosch123> more or less than email addresses?
20:53:39  <andythenorth> yes
20:53:54  <andythenorth> it is a very true xkcd
20:54:11  <andythenorth> next-of-kin of my employees often get work texts from me
20:54:18  <andythenorth> as do people they have sold their phone to
20:54:42  <andythenorth> when my wife calls, my phone thinks I’m calling myself
20:54:45  <frosch123> you sell phones together with their number?
20:54:53  <andythenorth> I don’t :P
20:55:03  <andythenorth> seems that some people do
20:55:13  <andythenorth> apparently
20:55:26  <andythenorth> that xkcd doesn’t even account for apple imessage
20:55:30  <andythenorth> which is spooky magic
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20:56:17  <andythenorth> I should put this one in Sam https://xkcd.com/1788/
20:59:52  <Lejving> holy fuck I got files
21:01:02  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: call it the Munroe Barge?
21:02:44  <frosch123> this container ship can load a lot
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21:02:56  <frosch123> but the loading bay becomes unuseable after some time
21:03:51  <andythenorth> :p
21:03:53  <Eddi|zuHause> back in the '90s we had a large drawing in our computer science room, involving a "write only memory"
21:04:29  <frosch123> it's called "bad hand writing"
21:05:05  <Eddi|zuHause> i think it was depicted as a crocodile eating the packages
21:05:48  <supermop_> hopefully internet now fixed
21:06:20  <Eddi|zuHause> you fixed the WHOLE internet?
21:06:25  <frosch123> supermop_: it will take some iterations until the new firewalls are setup
21:06:27  <Lejving> nice no wonder why it wasn't working
21:06:40  <Lejving> the internet wasn't working
21:07:34  <supermop_> from my point of view the internet is: my computer - switch in the server closet - outside world
21:08:01  <supermop_> the nuances of that last item are academic as far as i am concerned
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22:29:28  <Wolf01> http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a4ZeW7d_460s.jpg reminded me about the conversation we had about temperature :D
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