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14:56:21 *** sim-al2 has quit IRC 15:03:43 *** supermop__ has joined #openttd 15:05:21 <Rubidium> supermop__: have you checked the donations page? 15:05:39 <supermop__> it just lists paypal links 15:07:43 <peter1138> Just below them... 15:08:01 <Wolf01> It says to contact Owen... 15:09:52 *** supermop_ has quit IRC 15:10:29 <__ln__> are we looking at the same page? 15:10:46 <Wolf01> https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=9941 15:11:10 <supermop__> hmm 15:11:12 <__ln__> preceisely that one 15:11:28 <__ln__> "Last edited by orudge on Sat Dec 31, 2005 6:05 pm" 15:12:11 <__ln__> makes me wonder if the post is still 100% relevant after 11 years 15:19:14 <dihedral> there was no Owen to update the page 15:19:35 <Wolf01> Or it's still relevant 15:20:13 <dihedral> inconcievable 15:21:12 <__ln__> €150/month for hosting a forum sounds like a lot in 2017 15:39:08 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 15:45:46 <Wolf01> http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/ad7NLvZ_460s.jpg LMAO 15:46:04 <Wolf01> We used the wrong cry all the time 15:46:52 <__ln__> how do frogs from different origins understand each other 15:47:00 <Wolf01> Maybe they don't 15:56:16 *** Sova has quit IRC 15:57:44 *** tycoondemon has quit IRC 15:57:48 *** tycoondemon has joined #openttd 15:58:09 *** tycoondemon has quit IRC 15:58:15 *** tycoondemon has joined #openttd 15:59:04 *** orudge` has quit IRC 15:59:16 *** orudge` has joined #openttd 15:59:17 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o orudge` 15:59:44 *** tycoondemon has quit IRC 15:59:48 *** tycoondemon has joined #openttd 16:09:03 *** Alberth has joined #openttd 16:09:03 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Alberth 16:09:09 <Wolf01> o/ 16:09:14 <Alberth> moin 16:09:50 *** orudge` has quit IRC 16:11:18 *** orudge` has joined #openttd 16:11:19 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o orudge` 16:17:17 *** supermop_ has joined #openttd 16:22:22 *** supermop__ has quit IRC 16:25:26 *** matt11235 has quit IRC 16:35:30 *** orudge` has quit IRC 16:35:50 *** orudge` has joined #openttd 16:35:50 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o orudge` 17:00:39 *** Arveen2 has joined #openttd 17:02:40 *** li_the_elfin has joined #openttd 17:03:03 <li_the_elfin> hi all 17:03:34 <li_the_elfin> is there any admin for a sugestion ? :o 17:04:14 <Wolf01> Just say it here 17:06:06 <li_the_elfin> is it posssible to set ott available in GOG game website so people can download it from there ? 17:06:13 *** Arveen has quit IRC 17:06:37 <li_the_elfin> I sent a email to gog and asked them if they could contact you because I am ahuge fan of ott 17:07:00 <li_the_elfin> and they said that becauise of legal reason it was not possible 17:07:31 <Eddi|zuHause> so why do you ask, if you know the answer? 17:07:32 <li_the_elfin> gog has several old games that are for free so that they would add ott in their list would be great for the community in my opinion 17:07:50 <li_the_elfin> well legal means from your side 17:08:09 <supermop_> you can already download Openttd for free from openttd.org 17:08:13 <li_the_elfin> I am sure the meaning of ott is to reach as much fans as possible 17:08:19 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but we cannot solve the legal status of the openttd license 17:08:30 <li_the_elfin> :o 17:08:33 <li_the_elfin> i see 17:08:52 <li_the_elfin> but ott is drm free I guess ? 17:09:01 <supermop_> the meaning of OpenTTD is to create the best* possible open source clone of TTD 17:09:26 <supermop_> it is licensed GPL 17:09:36 <Eddi|zuHause> the problem is, that the company who sold the original TTD, microprose, was bought off by atari, and despite several attempts, atari has not come forward whether they actually own the rights to TTD or whether they could release them to us 17:10:01 <li_the_elfin> I see 17:10:24 <Eddi|zuHause> and because the first version of openttd was created from a reverse engineered version of TTD, the openttd license is "tainted" by the original copyright of TTD. 17:10:35 <li_the_elfin> got it 17:10:53 <supermop_> so any person may distribute it, but as Eddi says, some distributors may not want to distribute a gpl game that may or may not count as fair use 17:10:54 <li_the_elfin> so if atary would release their rights it would be solved from your point of view ? 17:11:04 <Eddi|zuHause> the person who did this reverse engineering claims it was legal according to the law in his country 17:11:19 <Eddi|zuHause> but as long as no side goes to court, that claim cannot be verified 17:11:28 <li_the_elfin> laws are like mazes they all have a way to get trought :p 17:11:34 *** TheMask96 has quit IRC 17:11:59 <supermop_> we do not have the $$ to hire a team of intellectual property lawyers to argue or explore this 17:12:11 <li_the_elfin> i can understand that 17:12:39 <li_the_elfin> it is weird because gog has games of microprose like master of magic 17:12:41 <Eddi|zuHause> there could be the case that they have given up their rights because they did not pursue them, but again, no court, no ruling 17:12:49 <supermop_> my sister in law is an IP lawyer, but even if she and her partner worked for free for a year, all issues may not be resolved 17:13:13 *** TheMask96 has joined #openttd 17:13:16 <li_the_elfin> yeah because then you have to check for each country thats a hell of a work 17:13:27 <Eddi|zuHause> and if there ever was a court case, chances are the project will just be stopped 17:13:49 <li_the_elfin> that would be sad 17:14:07 <supermop_> generally, the status quo right now, with OpenTTD having a smaller community, is that Atari and OpenTTD are both content to leave the issue alone 17:14:08 <Eddi|zuHause> nobody here would have the endurance or money to work through a court case 17:14:11 <li_the_elfin> i think rhe danger would be bigger if for example steam buy the rights and set it in court 17:15:14 <supermop_> but if OpenTTD tried to sue for right to distribute, Atari would be compelled to fight so as not to set precedent 17:15:31 <li_the_elfin> but what I have seen is that when a group chnage of owner it sometimes make things change an example lucasart since it is from disney well all their games are in gog now 17:16:12 <Eddi|zuHause> so? even if TTD was on GOG, this would not change anything wrt legality of openttd 17:16:30 <supermop_> li_the_elfin: Atari can put original TTO or TTD on GOG or Steam if they want 17:17:07 <Alberth> it's horrible if you know openttd :p 17:17:10 <supermop_> and if they decide to do so, whether or not they want to, they will have to then sue OpenTTD to protect their license 17:17:38 <li_the_elfin> gog is drm free so they would never sue anyone 17:17:41 *** Gja has joined #openttd 17:18:03 <Eddi|zuHause> how are those two things related? 17:18:19 <supermop_> li_the_elfin: at this point it becomes less about the code/binary, and instead about the brand 17:18:21 <li_the_elfin> they are not related gog and sream they are in fact contrary 17:18:45 <supermop_> li_the_elfin: what is your favorite music/band? 17:19:42 <li_the_elfin> no typical favourit why ? 17:19:44 <supermop_> if you are a big fan, maybe you want to make a t shirt with their name on it 17:20:05 <supermop_> and maybe you make some extras to give for free to your friends 17:20:15 <li_the_elfin> lol 17:20:28 <supermop_> the band is happy to have good fans who wear t shirts 17:20:51 <supermop_> and you did not steal any of their music - so all good right? 17:21:16 <li_the_elfin> thats true 17:21:34 <supermop_> but the band also sells official t shirts at concerts, and maybe they give them away for free to the fans in the crowd 17:21:38 <li_the_elfin> informing is also a way to make aware 17:21:43 <supermop_> they want to be able to do that 17:22:22 <supermop_> but what if a big company the band hates starts to make and sell the tshirts without permission 17:23:00 <li_the_elfin> well depends what is the goal of the band 17:23:08 <supermop_> legally, because the band allowed you to make unauthorized tshirts, they set precedent (or abandoned their rights) 17:23:16 <li_the_elfin> if it is to make themselves famous they would be thankfull 17:24:03 <supermop_> so they have to sue you to enforce their ownership of their name, etc 17:24:07 <supermop_> even if they like you 17:25:42 <supermop_> if you make just a few shirts quietly, they can say no big deal, it doesn't set precedent, but if you give away 1000 they have to respond 17:25:42 <li_the_elfin> but what is the goal of ott ? is it to spread the game for free to as many fans possible ? 17:25:58 <Eddi|zuHause> that's a weird oddity in american brand laws, that you have to pursue every tiny violation, or lose the brand rights altogether 17:26:40 <Eddi|zuHause> li_the_elfin: no, that was never "the goal". the goal was to improve the game. spreading is just on the side 17:27:02 <li_the_elfin> I see 17:27:04 <supermop_> Eddi|zuHause: well there is nuance at the margins, currently Atari certainly is aware of OpenTTD but has judged it not worth legal action at this time 17:27:25 <supermop_> if the game were on steam or GOG or sold for $ they would certainly sue 17:27:30 <li_the_elfin> but if it would grow exponantially they would consider ? you think ? 17:28:01 <supermop_> at some point atari may want to sell their own improved TTD on steam 17:28:18 <li_the_elfin> yeah I also think they don't take any action because the game is for free now and it is helped by a lot of fans 17:28:24 <Eddi|zuHause> li_the_elfin: they will probably reconsider if they think we measurably cut into their profits 17:28:54 <supermop_> or, because OpenTTD is free and open source, a competitor can fork OpenTTD and sell it to compete with Atari 17:28:56 <li_the_elfin> so in your opinion I should contact atary ? 17:29:40 <supermop_> li_the_elfin: in my opinion you should not contact them, as it will just make them feel uneasy about the current legal situation 17:30:20 <li_the_elfin> : / 17:30:23 <supermop_> if you say, there are 100,000 OpenTTD players, and on GOG we can reach 1 million more, they will certainly feel they need to sue 17:30:30 <Eddi|zuHause> li_the_elfin: plenty of people contacted atari 17:30:47 <Eddi|zuHause> li_the_elfin: it always ends the same way, you will never hear back from them 17:31:06 <li_the_elfin> gog would reach more then 20 million users 17:31:25 <Eddi|zuHause> li_the_elfin: likely there's a corporate order to not say anything, because that would almost certainly weaken the case if they ever wanted to sue in the future 17:31:51 <li_the_elfin> so for the sake of ott now I should just beter not spoil the fun : p 17:32:03 <Eddi|zuHause> uhm, yeah. 17:32:29 <supermop_> Atari probably want to look nice to gamers and developers, and the only way they can legally be nice to us is by covering their eyes and pretending they cannot see us 17:32:30 <Eddi|zuHause> just accept that there is nothing you can do to get the game on gog 17:32:52 <li_the_elfin> I will follow your advice then : ) I am thankfull for the chat and I want to thank you for the great work you did until now and the fun I had with playing ott : ) 17:33:08 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 17:33:18 <Alberth> oh, if you have a 20,000,000,000 euro lying around, you could probably buy the brand :) 17:33:25 *** smoke_fumus has joined #openttd 17:33:36 <Alberth> hopefully it's enough 17:33:47 <li_the_elfin> I think you can buy arari for lesser 17:34:00 <Alberth> that would work too :p 17:34:07 <li_the_elfin> lol :p 17:34:15 <supermop_> Alberth: buying atari is almost certainly cheaper than fighting them in court for the rights 17:34:28 <Alberth> although tbh I would not be surprised if they cannot provide any documentation that they own ttd 17:34:49 <li_the_elfin> thats maybe why they are so silent toward all these emails 17:34:56 <Alberth> but I don't want to find out 17:35:28 <li_the_elfin> who knows maybe it was a fan of ott who took them with him or her when he or she was fired :p 17:35:29 <Eddi|zuHause> well, they weren't silent in the beginning, we did have answers along the lines of "let me investigate this" 17:35:39 <supermop_> but then once you own atari you cannot give away OpenTTD for free without putting your employees at risk 17:35:40 <Eddi|zuHause> just that was the last thing we ever heard from them 17:36:06 <Alberth> so they are still searching :p 17:36:26 <Rubidium> a port of OpenTTD is on Google Play Store (or whatever its name is now) with a mere 1-5 million downloads. I'd reckon gog being smaller, so... why haven't they sued yet? 17:36:27 <supermop_> Atari is more that just 1 person, it is shareholders, programmers, lawyers, marketers, probably most don't care about the TTD brand at all, but they dont want to set a precedent that would affect other brands 17:37:30 <supermop_> Rubidium: google play has the veneer of just distributing the apps of independent developers? i thought GOG actually had some kind of licensing agreement 17:38:37 <li_the_elfin> they have some rules but they mean not much lol the eula rules lol 17:39:08 <supermop_> if you go to atari.com today it is almost entirely publicity for roller coaster tycoon, which is for sale 17:39:49 <li_the_elfin> well rollercoatser is in gog lol 17:39:53 <supermop_> i am sure giving up the rights to OpenTTD would make it harder for them to protect their ownership of RCT 17:40:24 <Alberth> hmm, didn't CS buy the tycoon rights for his mobile game? 17:41:19 <supermop_> for locomotion and the TT name i think 17:42:34 <li_the_elfin> but is locomotion not the official folow up of ttd 17:42:52 <Eddi|zuHause> but the inofficial one 17:42:53 <Alberth> no, it's branded as TT 17:42:55 <li_the_elfin> altought it looks more as rollercoaster 17:43:07 <supermop_> legally a locomotion port is now transport tycoon on mobile 17:43:11 <Alberth> even though it uses lomo graphics 17:43:38 <supermop_> CS owned locomotion but not the TT brand 17:43:44 <Eddi|zuHause> there's very certainly a code evolution path from TTD to locomotion (via RCT) 17:43:50 <supermop_> in 2013 he bought the TT name 17:44:10 <supermop_> and re released updated locomotion with the TT name 17:44:51 <Alberth> afaik he never sold the lomo name, as selling the TT name was a mistake 17:45:03 <supermop_> Alberth: yeah 17:45:03 <Wolf01> <li_the_elfin> well rollercoatser is in gog lol <- but it's Atari which put that in it, like Disney with Star Wars 17:45:39 <Wolf01> *LucasArts games 17:46:05 <supermop_> CS would likely have to sue Atari if Atari gave the TTD rights to OpenTTD for free 17:46:49 <li_the_elfin> it is recentely they have put them in gog I think about 4 months 17:47:36 <Wolf01> What if they'll put TTDlx on GoG? 17:47:51 <li_the_elfin> lol 17:48:31 <Wolf01> They *should* have the rights to do it, more than OTTD to be on GoG 17:48:38 <li_the_elfin> i think thats a forbidden question 17:49:01 <li_the_elfin> well ott is beter then ttd much biger maps 17:49:23 <li_the_elfin> most great fans of ttf are here 17:49:32 *** Stimrol has quit IRC 17:49:36 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: but can they actually put TTD on GOG if they sold the TT name? 17:49:52 <li_the_elfin> maybe under another name 17:50:20 <Eddi|zuHause> uhm, changing that name inside the game code probably costs more than they will ever earn on GOG 17:50:23 <Wolf01> I bet they don't even have the code to make the change 17:51:19 <li_the_elfin> i have an original copy of tt and ttd if they need lol I provided them a copy of my original lords of the realm gold edition and they used it 17:51:25 <supermop_> Eddi|zuHause: they may have just licensed the name, or sold it for mobile 17:52:09 <Wolf01> li_the_elfin, it's not the compiled copy they need, but the source code 17:52:17 <li_the_elfin> well the cd version I mean not the disk version lol 17:52:28 <Wolf01> I have the cd version too 17:52:40 <li_the_elfin> i think gog use the compiled version in dos box mode 17:52:41 <supermop_> i only had tto 17:52:43 *** Cybert1nus has joined #openttd 17:52:55 <Eddi|zuHause> i had TTO and the world editor expansion 17:53:04 <li_the_elfin> and you have 2 versions the windows and dos version lol 17:53:56 *** roidal has joined #openttd 17:53:59 <li_the_elfin> the original in cd is not easy to find 17:54:06 <li_the_elfin> i mean ott 17:54:18 *** Cybertinus has quit IRC 17:55:54 <li_the_elfin> ok see you all : ) 17:55:58 *** li_the_elfin has quit IRC 17:57:04 <Milek7_> atari still exists? 17:59:23 *** glx has joined #openttd 17:59:23 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 18:00:25 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 18:01:39 <Wolf01> Kwaak 18:03:42 <frosch123> hoi 18:06:21 <frosch123> Wolf01: i have never seen "kwaak", it's "quak" 18:08:38 <Wolf01> Apparently we have used the wrong cry all the time -> http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/ad7NLvZ_460s.jpg 18:09:43 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 18:09:52 <Alberth> german kwaak comes close :) 18:10:29 <Wolf01> BTW, pizza 18:10:33 <Alberth> \o/ 18:10:37 <Alberth> enjoy :) 18:15:28 <__ln__> 19:11 < Eddi|zuHause> the person who did this reverse engineering claims it was legal according to the law in his country <--- while ludde may have believed so, and even if reverse engineering per se is legal, it certainly isn't legal to create a 1:1 clone of something especially when utilizing the reverse engineered code. 18:21:34 <frosch123> Wolf01: judging from google results i would claim that "kwaak" is dutch 18:21:56 *** Maraxus has joined #openttd 18:22:09 <frosch123> though i would give albert's judgement a precedence there :p 18:26:22 *** Progman has joined #openttd 18:28:27 *** ZirconiumX has joined #openttd 18:34:13 <Alberth> indeed, it looks very Dutch :) 18:34:36 <Alberth> but Dutch and German are quite close 18:47:52 *** Maraxus has quit IRC 19:01:08 *** orudge` has quit IRC 19:01:23 *** orudge` has joined #openttd 19:01:23 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o orudge` 19:08:50 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 19:08:57 <andythenorth> o/ 19:09:33 <andythenorth> interesting that the bouy/dock idea derailed into ‘airport lights plz' 19:10:16 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 19:10:55 <supermop_> you're welcome 19:11:33 *** Biolunar_ has quit IRC 19:29:45 *** glx has quit IRC 19:40:09 <supermop_> is sam on bananas yet andy? 19:41:22 <andythenorth> nope 19:41:27 <andythenorth> it’s really very sketchy 19:41:34 <andythenorth> no ship has all 8 angles drawn yet 19:41:49 <andythenorth> it’s on bundles server, and the gameplay works 19:51:28 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 19:53:52 *** glx has joined #openttd 19:53:52 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 19:55:17 <Wolf01> http://imgur.com/gQhoEmH holy fuck G2A is really like the windows firewall 19:55:38 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 19:56:55 <Wolf01> TL;DR 1) you add the key (marked as active), anyone can buy it, 2) then it gets "verified" (marked as verified) or rejected, nobody can buy it, 3) you add the same key again -> again active and sellable 19:58:33 <Wolf01> o/ andy 19:59:42 <Wolf01> <frosch123> Wolf01: judging from google results i would claim that "kwaak" is dutch; <Alberth> but Dutch and German are quite close <- let's use quak as we always did :P 20:03:24 <__ln__> what's G2A? 20:03:48 <Wolf01> Some scam site which resell most pirate keys for steam 20:03:56 <Wolf01> Like Kinguin, G2play etc 20:04:43 <__ln__> ok 20:05:03 *** Myhorta has quit IRC 20:06:42 <Wolf01> They could be good sites, for examples I have loads of keys for games I purchased in bundles, which I already have and that I would like to sell, but I won't use those scam sites for any reason 20:16:57 *** matt11235 has joined #openttd 20:27:43 <__ln__> didn't even know steam games can be resold 20:28:26 <Wolf01> If you have the keys... 20:28:37 <Wolf01> Not redeemed ones 20:28:43 *** ZirconiumX has quit IRC 20:29:02 <Wolf01> I would like more if steam allows to add games you already own to be gifted 20:29:20 <supermop_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_191 20:29:28 <supermop_> never heard of this until today 20:30:06 <Wolf01> I've seen a documentary where they investigated about the problem 20:31:43 *** andythenorth has left #openttd 20:43:52 <__ln__> i only heard of this yesterday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl_wXfSwRzM&t=5m29s 20:46:13 <supermop_> i don't need to watch any more 747 crash footgae 20:46:17 <supermop_> footage 20:46:34 <supermop_> have already seen all i ever care to watch 20:47:47 <V453000> is there any way how to save palette image in python? 20:47:56 <V453000> or is the only way photoshop? 20:48:05 <supermop_> python guy just left 20:48:54 <V453000> saw 20:48:59 <frosch123> http://pillow.readthedocs.io/en/3.4.x/reference/ImagePalette.html <- read the docs 20:49:14 <V453000> was trying to but didn't find this :) thanks frosch123 20:49:19 <frosch123> "This module was never well-documented. It hasn’t changed since 2001, though, so it’s probably safe for you to read the source code and puzzle out the internals if you need to." :) 20:50:01 <V453000> sounds like exactly what I am going to do 20:56:26 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 21:03:03 <Alberth> there was a problem in getting the palette iirc 21:03:49 <V453000> I'm not super relying on it atm 21:04:18 <V453000> would just be nice 21:06:29 *** orudge` has quit IRC 21:06:53 *** orudge` has joined #openttd 21:06:53 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o orudge` 21:08:56 *** Myhorta has joined #openttd 21:11:35 *** roidal has quit IRC 21:11:41 *** sim-al2 has joined #openttd 21:21:45 <Alberth> http://effbot.org/imagingbook/imagepalette.htm 3rd entry "Getting the Palette Contents Using Resize/Convert" <-- V453000 21:22:29 <V453000> =D thanks, will definitely try later 21:22:34 <Alberth> although I can't find the phrase "getpalette is broken" anymore, perhaps it was fixed? 21:22:52 <V453000> XD 21:23:01 <Alberth> would be nice to check if img.getpalette() gives the same result 21:24:21 <Alberth> hmm, there is a warning about putpalette, maybe that was it 21:25:28 <Alberth> much more likely I had that problem instead :) 21:30:57 *** Gja has quit IRC 21:34:46 *** Gja has joined #openttd 21:43:09 *** Stimrol has joined #openttd 21:45:22 *** Alberth has left #openttd 21:53:46 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 21:55:09 *** Progman has quit IRC 22:10:13 <V453000> all your base are belong to us :D I'm able to read the colours now, and calculate their distance from the palette colours 22:10:29 <V453000> next step actually input correct palette values and it can start converting :> 22:17:55 <__ln__> are all the remaining german fighter jets from the early 1940s currently in the US? 22:26:44 <supermop_> im sure some are elsewhere 22:26:53 <supermop_> not sure any are for sale 22:27:04 <supermop_> mig 21 is a better value for money 22:30:20 <supermop_> plenty of those here in US 22:31:25 <__ln__> i've seen them flying, finnish air force used to have migs (too) until mid-90s 22:35:01 <__ln__> are there many fully functioning mig 21s in US? 22:42:02 *** Stimrol has quit IRC 23:00:45 *** matt11235 has quit IRC 23:09:37 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 23:22:37 *** Supercheese has joined #openttd 23:23:02 *** orudge` has quit IRC 23:23:17 *** orudge` has joined #openttd 23:23:17 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o orudge` 23:31:11 *** gelignite has quit IRC 23:42:14 *** supermop__ has joined #openttd 23:47:17 *** supermop_ has quit IRC 23:47:36 <Wolf01> 'night 23:47:38 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 23:59:40 *** orudge` has quit IRC 23:59:59 *** orudge` has joined #openttd