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01:21:22  <ST2> @logs
01:21:22  <DorpsGek> ST2: https://webster.openttdcoop.org/index.php?channel=openttd
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08:16:34  <peter1138> morning
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08:28:08  <Wolf01> o/
08:31:43  <peter1138> \o
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10:22:14  <Flygon> Whelp.
10:22:24  <Flygon> I don't think these cargo ships are every gonna profit.
10:22:30  <Flygon> Running for distances too long. >_>"
10:26:14  <Flygon> nvm made a profit
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11:09:57  <__ln__> https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/5644
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11:57:01  <Wolf01> Yeah, I'm losing at endless space at ultra-easy :(
11:57:16  <Wolf01> BUT! Lego orders just arrived
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12:55:33  <SpComb> __ln__: TIL that things like `chown foo .*` will also affect ..
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13:26:57  <andythenorth> isn’t it
13:30:06  <peter1138> yes no
13:31:30  <andythenorth> I wondered
13:31:37  <andythenorth> how many bugs are left?
13:31:46  <Wolf01> More than before
13:32:43  <Wolf01> Bugs are like slimes, when you hit them they split
13:37:26  <peter1138> 10
13:37:51  <peter1138> keep forgetting it's wednesday already
13:37:53  <peter1138> that means
13:37:58  <peter1138> mountain biking night :D
13:42:46  <andythenorth> get an orange
13:42:53  * andythenorth hasn’t ever owned a proper mountain bike
13:43:03  <peter1138> it is orange
13:43:19  <andythenorth> is it a orange or an orange or orange?
13:44:10  <Wolf01> Mine was white and pink -.-
13:44:20  <andythenorth> mine is orange, but it’s not a mountain bike
13:44:41  <peter1138> http://legsfeelingnopressure.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/marin_1_766.jpg
13:44:45  <peter1138> semi-orange anyway
13:45:08  <Wolf01> I'd call that yellow
13:45:15  <peter1138> it's orange
13:45:20  <Arveen> Wednesday night is 1/2 price burger night at a local mexican restaurant
13:48:23  <andythenorth> http://anova.at/scott-sub10/2.jpg
13:48:33  <andythenorth> mine doesn’t have whitewall tyres though
13:48:38  <andythenorth> and I cut the bars down
13:48:49  <andythenorth> and took the wheel reflectors off
13:49:51  <peter1138> https://www.cube.eu/media_ftp/BIKE_Bilder_2016/777400/details/D777400_02.jpg
13:49:59  <peter1138> that's my weekend club ride bike
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13:50:25  <peter1138> my commuting bike is a mercian light tourer
13:50:43  <peter1138> i clearly need more bikers
13:50:46  <peter1138> -r
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14:04:49  <Alberth> o/
14:04:49  <Wolf01> o/
14:10:23  <Arveen> .oOo.
14:12:29  <andythenorth> lo Alberth
14:13:26  <Alberth> hi hi
14:13:45  <Alberth> so, I was vandalizing the newgrf specs :p
14:17:13  <peter1138> oh no
14:18:23  <andythenorth> MB humour
14:18:28  <andythenorth> I enjoy it
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14:39:29  <supermop> http://www.bianchiusa.com/fileadmin/archives/2012/Fixed/Pista.jpg
14:39:56  <supermop> i rode one of those for 40km on gravel once, does that make it a mountain bike?
14:40:28  <supermop> mine has bullhorn bars and a slightly smaller chainring though
14:41:24  <supermop> also mine does not have the rear brake
14:46:49  <supermop> coke oven looks good
14:46:54  <peter1138> nah, drop bars
14:47:14  <peter1138> must be cyclocross...
14:53:03  <andythenorth> @seen supercheese
14:53:03  <DorpsGek> andythenorth: supercheese was last seen in #openttd 2 weeks, 2 days, 18 hours, 24 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <Supercheese> looks like pixels
14:53:43  <andythenorth> ach
14:53:53  <andythenorth> supermop: I so need to bookmark Bernd and Hilla Becher
14:53:56  <andythenorth> or buy a book
14:54:04  <supermop> Yeah
14:54:16  <supermop> the lime kiln book is basically FIRS porn
14:54:28  <andythenorth> £70
14:54:29  <quiznilo> mornin'
14:54:34  <andythenorth> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Typologies-Industrial-Buildings-Bernd-Becher/dp/0262025655
14:54:52  <supermop> peter1138: no drop bars on mine but i still had track tyres on it
14:55:04  <supermop> i didn't know the trail was going to be gravel
14:56:02  <andythenorth> supermop: any particular book best?
14:56:30  <supermop> only ones ive looked through are a coal tipple one and the lime kiln one
14:56:58  <supermop> moma has a lot of their work in permanent collection, so i've seen it mostly there
14:58:10  <supermop> http://aperture.org/shop/stonework-and-lime-kilns-bernd-and-hilla-becher-books/
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14:59:42  <supermop> in case you want to spend the next year drawing different styles of lime kilns for every 20 year period from 1700 to 1960
15:09:57  <andythenorth> I just bought Industrial Landscapes
15:10:03  <andythenorth> hope that’s not £58 wasted :P
15:10:08  <andythenorth> most expensive book I ever bought
15:12:58  <supermop> haha
15:13:13  <supermop> welcome to the world of 'serious' art books
15:13:26  <supermop> all insanely expensive
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15:14:39  <supermop> then you have to buy expensive shelves to put them on
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15:43:34  <supermop> https://www.vitsoe.com/gb
15:44:09  <supermop> then start buying books about the designer of the shelves
15:46:24  <supermop> andythenorth: NRT needs newgrf bus stops: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Soviet-Bus-Stops-Christopher-Herwig/dp/099319110X/ref=pd_sim_14_8?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=X3QZVAKNX85BHG45GVDT
15:54:31  <supermop> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Brutal-London-Construct-Concrete-Capital/dp/3791383000/ref=pd_sim_14_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=AJHJ7ZZ7GKDWKJTS1JQ2
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16:27:52  <Wolf01> BBL
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16:40:37  <Alberth> o/
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16:45:26  <frosch123> hoin
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17:49:39  <Wolf01|Phone> o/
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17:50:41  <Wolf01|Phone> Pub talking about football and shit...
17:51:17  <Eddi|zuHause> so you live in a place where pubs talk?
17:51:27  <Wolf01|Phone> Yes
17:53:27  <Wolf01|Phone> I'm already bored, and I still need to eat and get high on ginger ale as always
17:53:58  <Eddi|zuHause> <also insert joke here about the ambiguity between talking about shit and actually shitting>
17:56:49  <Wolf01|Phone> Ok now they are talking about Lapo Elkann
17:58:49  <quiznilo> I was so happy, I thought I had found a bug finally
17:59:07  <quiznilo> user error... no bug
18:00:42  <Wolf01|Phone> Ok, about to get food
18:01:11  <Eddi|zuHause> so which part were you most happy about it? that there was a bug? that you found it? or that it wasn't a bug after all?
18:08:51  <Wolf01|Phone> It's quiet, where is cat?
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18:12:13  <Wolf01|Phone> Mmh kaaay, they want me on the other app, this one will disconnect when loses focus, so I'll come back from home
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18:15:38  <Eddi|zuHause> "disconnect when loses focus" sounds like a terrible design decision
18:21:45  <supermop> sounds like an insane design decision
18:22:10  <supermop> even if you wanted to use your phone as an irc only terminal
18:35:49  <andythenorth> frosch123: “Station names:  Literal | Esoteric | OpenTTD Defaults” o_O
18:36:45  <andythenorth> I’d rather do it on a cb though, not an action 7 or whatever it is that puts a conditional around an action 0
18:36:48  <andythenorth> :P
18:37:51  <quiznilo> Eddi|zuHause: since I can't contribute because I refuse to learn C++ the best I can do is find bugs
18:38:26  <Eddi|zuHause> since when is knowing c++ a requirement? :p
18:38:38  <quiznilo> C or C++
18:38:58  <Eddi|zuHause> i barely know any c++, but i have contributed the craziest things
18:39:15  <andythenorth> make crazy great again
18:39:44  <andythenorth> "It looks like the rubidium hits an invisible wall."
18:39:47  <andythenorth> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-39642992
18:41:42  <quiznilo> finding bugs is very valuable... difficult with older, active projects like ottd though
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19:05:40  <andythenorth> low tech coke oven http://cokeovenspark.com/files/2017/03/CokeOvensPicSM-1024x789-954x375.jpg
19:05:48  <andythenorth> would have been faster to draw :)
19:06:17  <frosch123> cover the whole industry with smoke effects?
19:07:09  <andythenorth> also valid
19:07:48  <andythenorth> what station name for Coke Oven?
19:07:51  <andythenorth> Smokey Hill?
19:08:00  <andythenorth> Char Cross?
19:08:23  <andythenorth> [random selection of two words, using a cb that can concatenate strings :P]
19:09:43  <andythenorth> Black Down
19:13:21  <frosch123> saithe
19:13:44  <frosch123> when i check the dictionary half of the related terms are fish
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19:15:07  <frosch123> puff magic
19:15:09  <thegreatpl> hmmm... what is the best place to post a bug with openttd?
19:15:47  <frosch123> depends on the bug
19:16:47  <thegreatpl> GSCompanyMode is not working. Always get ERR_PRECONDITION_FAILED when I try to do anything.
19:17:10  <frosch123> ask on the support forum then
19:18:06  <frosch123> but ERR_PRECONDITION_FAILED generaly means that the condition lister under "precondition" in the api doc is not meet
19:19:14  <thegreatpl> as far as I can tell, they are met.
19:19:35  <thegreatpl> And I get it for both building airports, and leveling terrain.
19:19:53  <frosch123> https://www.tt-forums.net/viewforum.php?f=65 <- there is the forum
19:20:11  <frosch123> but you can also check existing scripts which make use of gscompanymode
19:22:01  <thegreatpl> None of them from what I guess. Its used for building things under a company. All the current GS are for Goals it seems.
19:22:36  <thegreatpl> still spends money though.
19:22:42  <frosch123> "the split scenario gs" is known to do landscaping
19:23:13  <frosch123> https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=61378
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19:25:21  <andythenorth> oh they found a FIRS bug :) https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1185550#p1185550
19:25:40  <andythenorth> although I am responsible for some of those (bad extents I think)...
19:25:55  <andythenorth> in this case, if some twat is going to change the wind direction on smoke, I really can’t help :P
19:27:33  <frosch123> yeah, the wind direction does not match your shading
19:29:56  <andythenorth> well spotted
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19:30:43  <andythenorth> maybe I should withdraw all my grfs Because 32BPP
19:33:05  <frosch123> you could set your grf as 8bpp via action14, and then add 32bpp sprites with random pixel garbage
19:33:36  <frosch123> that way ottd will use 8bpp if only firs is active, but use the garbage if some other grf or baseset forces 32bpp
19:33:47  <andythenorth> is that better or worse than deleting all my forum posts, ever? o_O
19:33:53  <andythenorth> as vandalism goes
19:34:11  <frosch123> deleting is relative
19:34:26  <frosch123> you should look for something more creative than just 3 dots per post
19:34:41  <andythenorth> subtly rewrite every single one of them?
19:34:54  <andythenorth> replace every single one with content from V453000 posts?
19:35:10  <frosch123> possibly just swap the contents of posts
19:35:15  <frosch123> or some sentences between them
19:35:31  <andythenorth> ‘you can no longer edit this post'
19:35:36  <andythenorth> might impede me
19:35:59  * andythenorth probably won’t rage quite over 32bpp, eh :P
19:36:14  <frosch123> request a dump of the forum db, so you can branch your own version
19:36:21  <andythenorth> ho good call
19:36:44  <andythenorth> I’d need some kind of ransom / threat to make *rudge do it though
19:37:03  * andythenorth doesn’t want to be the grumpy old man
19:37:10  <andythenorth> just 32bpp seems a distraction
19:37:21  <andythenorth> and meanwhile GarryG keeps churning out more and more good stuff
19:37:27  <frosch123> usually threats go like "i will eat this kitten"
19:38:44  <andythenorth> harsh for the kitten
19:38:58  <frosch123> anyway, if we make the drawing multithreaded and add frame animation to all tiles, we no longer need the horitonal-extent restriction
19:39:20  <andythenorth> ‘just like that'
19:39:44  <frosch123> should i post in the suggestion forum?
19:39:46  <andythenorth> I suspect that those 22 words are deceptively simple sounding
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19:40:45  <andythenorth> what problem does it solve? :D
19:41:30  <frosch123> it keeps clutter from the other forums
19:41:42  <frosch123> but ok, not posting also solves that
19:42:17  <LordAro> frosch123: don't be mean to kittens
19:42:45  <V453000> wot_
19:42:47  <V453000> ?
19:42:50  <frosch123> what have they ever done for us?
19:44:39  <LordAro> frosch123: silly question https://i.imgur.com/dkwIixo.gifv
19:47:14  * andythenorth goes back to animating coke
19:47:15  <Eddi|zuHause> so they defended us from evil killer robots?
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19:48:19  <Eddi|zuHause> <andythenorth> ‘you can no longer edit this post' <-- that's because someone once went back and replaced every single of his own posts with "..."
19:48:37  <andythenorth> orly? o_O
19:48:43  * andythenorth wonders who that was
19:48:55  <Eddi|zuHause> a person who shall not be named
19:49:08  <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: read the whole backlog, not just parts
19:49:20  <frosch123> starting in 2007 at least
19:49:22  <andythenorth> it’s more fun if he picks random lines
19:49:42  <andythenorth> ach I have left my glasses...elsewhere
19:49:48  <andythenorth> drawing without them is fricking hard
19:54:38  <orudge`> andythenorth: ye what now?
19:55:22  <orudge`> I think I still have a backup of the database from when someone (SAC?) [...]'d all their posts. I intended to restore them, never quite got around to it though...
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19:56:12  <orudge> also that's better
20:01:35  <supermop> andythenorth: love the earthen/brick oven
20:01:59  * andythenorth reading simutrans forums
20:05:07  <supermop> andythenorth: just buy a medium format camera and photograph industrial buildings in black and white
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20:40:42  <andythenorth> would have been useful 5 days ago :) http://www.yoeltaom.as/blog/2016/3/19/republic-steel-historical-imagery
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20:53:04  <Wolf01> Bah, boring match :(
20:53:35  <Wolf01> <Eddi|zuHause> "disconnect when loses focus" sounds like a terrible design decision <- that's what you get when you use free apps filled with ads
20:55:04  <andythenorth> what is action 0D?
20:55:09  <andythenorth> I can’t see it in newgrf docs
20:55:17  <andythenorth> https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1185624#p1185624
20:58:05  <supermop> andythenorth: that benzoil plant exterior is pretty great
20:59:09  <andythenorth> I liked the line drawing schematic
21:00:07  <andythenorth> also bed
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21:00:28  <peter1138> evening
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21:01:40  <Wolf01> Welcome back, had a pleasing ride?
21:01:52  <peter1138> yeah twas good
21:01:57  <peter1138> very dry ground
21:03:01  <peter1138> so no mud to clean off :p
21:04:14  <Wolf01> I got bored at pub instead, also too cold outside since it rained for the last 3 days and all the warmth gone away
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21:09:15  <supermop> i would have hoped there would have been more italian bars than pubs in italy
21:09:31  <Wolf01> It's an Irish pub
21:09:48  <supermop> sounds like midtown manhattan
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21:13:03  <supermop> more irish pubs than 'american' bars
21:13:17  <supermop> although there it is also 'irish'
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21:18:25  <Wolf01> https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aLDdmAV_460sv.mp4 automation
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21:42:43  <supermop> ooh
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22:47:03  <Wolf01> 'night
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