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11:00:42 <[dpk]> uhm, how do i transport clay by rail with UKRS2 and FIRS 2.1.5? 11:00:49 <[dpk]> i don't see anything capable of being refitted for it 11:01:42 <[dpk]> oh, only the 5-plank open wagon, the later, faster open wagons (at least up to 1959 where i am) don't support it? 11:01:57 <FLHerne> [dpk]: The big hoppers should be able to 11:02:19 <[dpk]> https://i.imgur.com/VD2lljO.png 11:02:50 <FLHerne> :-/ 11:04:32 <FLHerne> [dpk]: The covered hopper can here 11:05:03 <[dpk]> hmm, when is that introduced? 11:05:12 <[dpk]> as you see, it's not in my list 11:05:41 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 11:06:53 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 11:07:36 <FLHerne> [dpk]: 1960, apparently 11:07:41 <[dpk]> ah 11:07:47 <[dpk]> i don't have long to wait then :-) thanks 11:12:23 <FLHerne> Hm, it's the covered hopper with FIRS 1, too 11:12:52 <FLHerne> Why do I think I remember the bogie hopper working for that? 11:17:05 *** keoz has joined #openttd 11:22:53 *** cosmobird__ has quit IRC 11:35:09 *** 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has joined #openttd 16:09:50 <peter1138> rating pushing? legit? 16:11:20 *** smoke_fumus has joined #openttd 16:18:41 *** JacobD88 has joined #openttd 16:26:13 <_dp_> peter1138, rating pushing = making contraptions to keeping station rating high in absence of actual transport 16:26:35 <_dp_> peter1138, legit = meaningful types of activity :p 16:28:07 <_dp_> basically openttd mechanincs encourages adding truck without orders to every station 16:28:09 <Alberth> just transport between two stations? 16:28:36 <Alberth> you can't fix pushing by some mechanic, I think 16:28:45 <_dp_> *loading station 16:29:38 <_dp_> Alberth, not with a simple fix at least, but question is not about fixing it completely 16:35:48 <_dp_> 0 units load makes no sense whatsoever 16:36:04 <_dp_> even wiki fails to explain it 16:37:07 <_dp_> nvm, there is a clarification 16:37:47 <_dp_> ah, no, it's about different thing, so yes 16:38:35 <_dp_> "Days since last cargo pickup" is wrong 16:39:06 <_dp_> it really is since last vehicle with loading order stopped on a station 16:46:03 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 16:51:42 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 17:01:02 *** glx has joined #openttd 17:01:02 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 17:02:13 *** Cubey has joined #openttd 17:02:28 <frosch123> hoi 17:10:18 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 17:11:21 <_dp_> speaking of some mechanic, making it so it counts since last time stockpile hit 0 instead of just pickup would probably fix pushing 17:12:44 <Alberth> until you get too much supply, and never hit 0 17:13:32 <Cubey> Then the rating would decrease until the supply dwindles and hits zero again 17:14:09 <_dp_> it may not hit 0 but pushing will be useless anyway 17:14:21 <Alberth> moving 1 wagon cargo back and forth between 2 nearby stations still works 17:14:59 <_dp_> Alberth, only if there is no extra cargo incoming 17:15:25 <_dp_> Alberth, otherwise you'll have to constanly increase amount of wagons 17:15:58 <Alberth> who said it was a cargo that is regularly transported at both stations? 17:17:36 <_dp_> Alberth, I don't get it, for 1 wagon to increase rating there should not be any other cargo waiting, and increasing rating on station without cargo is meaningless anyway 17:18:27 <Alberth> oh, not 0 for each separate cargo? 17:18:49 <Alberth> hmm, that thus kills multi-cargo stations completely 17:18:50 <_dp_> Alberth, ofc separete for each, all ratings are separate 17:20:23 <_dp_> hm, or is it currently counting any cargo pickup? i don't even know 17:20:48 <Alberth> no idea, I never even look at ratings 17:23:24 <_dp_> Alberth, just checked, it's counting pickup separately for each cargo 17:24:41 <frosch123> i think albert is talking about town rating and dp is talking about station rating 17:39:34 *** Defaultti has joined #openttd 17:40:28 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 17:41:49 *** JacobD88 has quit IRC 17:48:06 *** quiznilo has quit IRC 17:58:58 *** quiznilo has joined #openttd 17:59:50 <Wolf01> _dp_, why do you even care about station ratings? 18:00:32 <_dp_> Wolf01, because players abuse it 18:01:56 <Wolf01> And lately people abuse of my patience, but I don't care too, I just carry on 18:03:13 <peter1138> provide a patch to fix whatever the issue is 18:03:34 <_dp_> Wolf01, we host competitive servers and I don't want adding stupid truck to every station be a legit way of playing the game 18:03:47 <Wolf01> Ban players, problem solved 18:03:49 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 18:05:14 <Wolf01> o/ 18:05:20 <_dp_> Wolf01, yeah, and to do that it needs to be clearly defined what is allowed and what not 18:05:47 <Wolf01> Yes 18:05:57 <_dp_> which is quite hard with 0 load being considered a pickup 18:06:13 <_dp_> because every unfinished station breaks rules 18:06:21 <_dp_> or rather route 18:07:40 <_dp_> without 0 load rating pushing could be at least defined as moving cargo in a loop 18:08:52 <_dp_> but that's still hard to check, so making pushing useless would be even better 18:16:54 <_dp_> btw, looks like some huge virus attack is going on right now, most win PCs are in danger 18:16:55 <_dp_> https://securelist.com/blog/incidents/78351/wannacry-ransomware-used-in-widespread-attacks-all-over-the-world/ 18:17:49 <andythenorth> o/ 18:32:35 <frosch123> o/ 18:32:44 <frosch123> andythenorth: fs#6561 is for you 18:33:23 * andythenorth was expecting a mac bug 18:33:47 <frosch123> i forgot whether you made it intentionally like that 18:34:04 <andythenorth> ach dunno 18:34:11 <andythenorth> I think that perhaps everything should just be in tonnes 18:39:12 <frosch123> andythenorth: anyway, it's the "units_of_cargo" property, if you want to define it 18:40:10 *** Progman has quit IRC 18:43:29 *** Progman has joined #openttd 18:44:32 *** Progman has quit IRC 18:50:08 <andythenorth> thanks 18:50:16 <andythenorth> I dunno, sacks might be unrealistic 19:29:08 *** keoz has quit IRC 19:39:39 *** Alberth has left #openttd 20:22:16 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 20:23:07 *** frosch123 has 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