Log for #openttd on 22nd June 2017:
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08:25:39  <Eddi|nichZuHause> any mac expert here? my boss' laptop "doesn't scroll anymore"...
08:27:29  <Eddi|nichZuHause> i suspect the multitouch functionality of the trackpad is broken, is that something that happens?`
08:27:46  <Eddi|nichZuHause> i don't find an obvious "wrong" setting
08:28:07  <Eddi|nichZuHause> ... not that you ever find non-obvious settings in macos
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09:26:04  <Wolf01> Moin
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09:28:54  <crem> Yes, moin.
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09:58:34  <Wolf01> What
09:59:03  <LordAro> sometimes, eddi is not zuhause
10:01:49  <__ln___> Eddi|nichZuHause: never heard of trackpad's multitouch getting broken if the trackpad itself still works. also could be worth testing if it scrolls when a usb mouse is connected.
10:03:36  <Eddi|nichZuHause> __ln___: it's probably not anything i can solve anyway, i gave it back with "i did not find the error, you should maybe go to an apple shop"
10:03:46  <Wolf01> Really you never seen it? Trackpad multitouch on my laptop stopped working every odd update on ubuntu to start working again on the next update (or reinstalling the drivers)
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10:05:35  <__ln___> Wolf01: i've seen ubuntu being broken in many many ways, but the situation Eddi described didn't involve ubuntu crap
10:07:25  <Wolf01> Clearly is a software problem, if it was a hardware problem it wouldn't work at all
10:10:16  <LordAro> if only it were so easy
10:10:30  <LordAro> i've seen enough intermittent hardware faults to never rule it out
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10:11:35  <Wolf01> I've only seen macbook trackpads stop working because the battery inflated and bent the case
10:11:45  <Wolf01> But they stopped working entirely
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10:29:31  <V453000> =D modded the shit out of factorio yesterday
10:29:38  <V453000> it's retarded(ly) fun
10:36:32  <Wolf01> How is the modding status for 0.15?
10:37:08  <V453000> fine? :D
10:37:33  <Wolf01> All mods already compatible?
10:38:30  <V453000> well it's never going to be all, but all of the ones people care about, sure
10:38:33  <V453000> it's been that way for a while, really
10:38:49  <V453000> in fact people are starting to come up with random retarded shit now, useful stuff not much lately
10:39:11  <Wolf01> I go for bob's inserters and ion cannon
10:39:34  <Wolf01> Still no belt divider?
10:39:35  <V453000> well I didn't use these in 0.15 but I saw them on the mod portal
10:39:58  <V453000> no need for belt divider, the graphics might hint at the functionality of UG belt a bit more
10:39:59  <V453000> is enough
10:42:00  <Wolf01> I've built so many of those UG belt contraptions that now I just want to do it with one click
10:42:26  <Wolf01> My current factory is filled with dividers and lane switchers
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13:24:25  <nekomaster> Herpderp
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13:48:41  <V453000> gg
13:48:50  <nekomaster> Hello
13:49:49  <V453000> yo
13:49:58  <nekomaster> sup?
13:50:23  <V453000> trains exploding, slug world domination plan becoming reality?
13:57:39  <Flygon> Slug World Domination?
13:57:49  <Flygon> Didn't they drop that and replace it with the Borg?
13:57:54  <nekomaster> Lol
13:58:05  * Flygon hi-fives nekomaster 
13:58:21  * nekomaster hi-fives Flygon!
13:58:24  <nekomaster> :D
13:58:45  <Flygon> YES!
13:58:46  <Flygon> :D
13:58:53  <nekomaster> OUI!
13:59:52  <V453000> nope, slugs it is
13:59:56  <V453000> future is clear
14:00:20  <nekomaster> What about flying slugs? or are you going to continue to limit their journey to pre planed paths
14:00:23  <nekomaster> (aka rails)
14:00:52  <V453000> flying, swimming, transforming, devouring all
14:00:58  <nekomaster> heh
14:00:59  <V453000> there is no end
14:01:09  <nekomaster> just so long as they continue to transport my coffee and beer, i'm good
14:01:26  <V453000> it will be theirs at that point, but sure
14:01:39  <nekomaster> :p
14:06:48  <Flygon> Well
14:06:49  <Flygon> I mean
14:06:56  <Flygon> The alternative is that it's the Animorphs verse
14:06:57  <Flygon> But
14:07:01  <nekomaster> Hmm?
14:07:04  <Flygon> I can't accept Rachel dying
14:07:13  <nekomaster> last I saw Animorphs mentioned where the books as a kid
14:07:32  <nekomaster> Not that I really read much books when I was younger
14:07:48  <nekomaster> I've never really been a book person
14:08:38  <Flygon> I read books ALL the time.
14:08:44  <Flygon> Not much else to do as a kid.
14:08:56  <nekomaster> I had game consoles and things to do outside
14:09:07  <nekomaster> and once i learned how to ride a bike I was riding all over town
14:09:25  <nekomaster> even figured out how to get to the Oshawa beach and the north end within a week
14:09:50  <nekomaster> I want from falling off bikes to covering most of Oshawa by bike at 12 years old
14:28:00  <Flygon> I was broke.
14:29:54  <nekomaster> I've always been broke
14:30:06  <nekomaster> just my dad figures out ways to get things
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14:42:23  <supermop> laking motivation to finish tiny truck beds for early trucks
14:42:45  <supermop> really only fit one crate, which looks stupid
14:42:54  <supermop> or like 2 sheep in open truck
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14:43:32  <Alberth> o/
14:43:47  <supermop> yo
14:44:06  <supermop> also i am at work right now so can't really draw anyway
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14:44:09  <supermop> but
14:44:21  <supermop> feel like this set will never get to 1.0.0
14:50:03  <supermop> maybe i shouldn't shorten the logs and show them hanging off the back of the truck
14:50:51  <Alberth> but it's so simple, just declare it finished, add a nice label "1.0.0", and done!
14:51:17  <nekomaster> I wont declare my stuff a proper version number until I'm sure most stuff has been tested
14:51:29  <nekomaster> thus is why the NARS Add-on set uses the revision system
14:51:40  <nekomaster> many things can change while I'm coding and doing stuff
14:51:59  <nekomaster> which is why sometimes the minimum comptaitlbe version changes because I did something that would fuck up a new game
14:52:00  <supermop> Alberth: more things i want to do
14:52:01  <nekomaster> er
14:52:03  <nekomaster> old save game
14:52:18  <Alberth> supermop nobody said you can't have a 2.0.0 :p
14:52:37  <supermop> maybe 1.0 won't have trams
14:53:49  <supermop> need to 'finish' so i can do some more work on fixing unspooled
14:54:29  <FLHerne> "Even internal alphas have undergone more scrutiny than this program. It is only my boundless hubris that allows me to call this 'version 1.0'." -- Shamus Healey
14:54:40  <FLHerne> Er, Shamus Young
14:55:01  <FLHerne> (the keys are right next to each other)
14:55:33  <supermop> apparently the author name underwent the 1.0 amount of scrutiny and not the internal alpha mount....
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15:00:46  <FLHerne> Hah
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15:09:04  <supermop> as did my spelling of 'amount'
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16:06:37  <frosch123> hmm, ./bin/factorio does not start openttd
16:07:45  <Alberth> :D
16:07:50  <Alberth> sort-of it does
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16:31:11  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r27883 trunk/src/console.cpp (2017-06-22 18:31:04 +0200 )
16:31:12  <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#6576]: Console command parser passed invalid strings to the debug output, if command lines had many parameters.
16:32:56  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r27884 trunk/src/console.cpp (2017-06-22 18:32:50 +0200 )
16:32:57  <DorpsGek> -Fix: Console command parser failed when the command had many parameters, and also did not print any error messages about it.
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16:57:12  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r27885 /trunk/src/pathfinder/yapf (yapf_costrail.hpp yapf_type.hpp) (2017-06-22 18:57:06 +0200 )
16:57:13  <DorpsGek> -Cleanup (r27844): ESR_MAX_COST_EXCEEDED and ESR_PATH_TOO_LONG meant the same thing, but only one was used. Keep PATH_TOO_LONG since it has the better documentation.
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17:29:59  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r27886 trunk/src/fileio.cpp (2017-06-22 19:29:53 +0200 )
17:30:00  <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#6575-ish]: Do not modify argv[0].
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18:27:40  <frosch123> is there a reason we have project files for msvc 2010 and 2015, but not for 2012 and 2013?
18:29:09  <Eddi|zuHause> is there a point in having them for each? can't they be loaded anyway?
18:29:28  <frosch123> that's no answer but a rewording of my question :p
18:33:51  <Eddi|zuHause> answers rarely end with a question mark
18:38:39  <Wolf01> <Eddi|zuHause> is there a point in having them for each? can't they be loaded anyway? <- yes but VS tries to update the old project file and usually fails and break it, and puts a lot of new files too
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19:08:08  <supermop> what are some nice alternatives to big rolls for copper
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19:11:25  <supermop>
19:12:20  <supermop> maybe pipe or rod
19:13:47  <Alberth> plates?
19:15:06  <frosch123> high voltage transformers
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19:35:53  <frosch123> liquid aluminium
19:36:02  <frosch123> i can't tell whether that is dangerous or not
19:36:47  <frosch123> i.e. does it burn, or does it stop itself from burning
19:38:04  <supermop> aluminum burns easily as a powder but actually doesn't oxidize that fast otherwise
19:38:35  <supermop> you can cast aluminum without the surface really visibly burning
19:39:23  <supermop> when you do small casts of it you get a bit of oxide on the surface but no visible flame really
19:41:27  <supermop>
19:41:43  <supermop> brown paper on outside of paper rolls?
19:48:08  <frosch123> looks like paper to me
19:48:22  <frosch123> i guess something brown would make it look metally
19:48:26  <frosch123> like bronce
19:49:09  <frosch123> not sure, but maybe the rolls should be longer
19:51:47  <frosch123> <- i expected something like that
19:52:56  <frosch123> <- apparently there are also smaller ones
19:59:18  <supermop> i see brown wrapped ones about 80cm wide and 80 cm diameter sitting on the sidewalk outside of print shops in chinatown here
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19:59:42  <supermop> i guess brown paper also needs to be delivered
20:01:36  <supermop> the short trucks only hold 1 pallets graphically, so instead of more loading stages, i am using the extra rows to show variants of the cargo
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