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Log for #openttd on 14th December 2017:
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00:12:32  <drac_boy> hows flygon tonight?
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00:24:38  <Flygon> In the room :P
00:27:02  <drac_boy> thats a funny answer? :-p
00:33:29  <drac_boy> so..just being lazy tonight or I'm wrong about that?
00:45:19  <Eddi|zuHause> drac_boy: you could also action6 the climate availability bits
00:47:01  <drac_boy> hmm good one...only this is an all-climates set tho but thanks still :)
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01:16:23  <drac_boy> anyway going off for tonight...ty tho
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13:37:10  <Borg> hooi
13:37:21  <Borg> haha ;) this GRF is fun,..
13:37:27  <Borg> factory output: 10k goods ;D
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14:58:10  <RafiX> why this game must be so addicting
15:02:04  <Borg> :D
15:02:14  <Borg> yeah.. cant stop play now ;) w/ my cool newGRF I made
15:04:13  <RafiX> well I have my save running while I do other stuff
15:04:24  <RafiX> because no new connections to make
15:05:06  <Borg> ;)
15:05:14  <Borg> I run server.. more fun to play w/ friends
15:05:41  <RafiX> well I have no friends that would play with me
15:05:51  <Borg> doh..
15:05:55  <Borg> u can join our server..
15:05:56  <Borg> its 24/7
15:06:08  <Borg> 1.6.1 tho.. but its not a problem I think
15:06:14  <RafiX> I have 1.7.1
15:06:18  <RafiX> and shitty connection
15:06:27  <Borg> u can have many versions side by side
15:06:31  <RafiX> so I can't play on maps bigger than 128x128 or something like that
15:06:32  <Borg> hmmm u worry me then
15:06:38  <Borg> cyfrowy polsat.. I know that ISP..
15:06:45  <Borg> really?
15:06:49  <Borg> crap... :(
15:06:51  <Borg> I run 512x512
15:07:16  <RafiX> well I tried some 512x512 server and connection got dropped after downloading like 20% of the map
15:08:41  <Borg> dude? what kind of connection u have?
15:08:44  <Borg> dialup?
15:09:00  <Borg> satelite?
15:09:06  <Borg> let me check
15:09:18  <RafiX> "LTE"
15:09:23  <RafiX> it's fucking worse than dialup
15:09:44  <LordAro> LTE should be multiMB/s
15:09:46  <Borg> no local ISPs around? with WiFi?
15:09:50  <LordAro> unless it's lying
15:09:56  <Borg> LordAro: yeah sure....
15:09:58  <Borg> dream on... ;)
15:10:18  <RafiX> LordAro: it is fucking lying
15:10:30  <LordAro> :p
15:11:20  <RafiX> I wanted to switch to local ISP
15:11:26  <Borg> RafiX: ROFL.. they home page cannot load...
15:11:39  <Borg> https://bgp.he.net/AS8374#_graph4
15:11:40  <Borg> buhauhauhauhauhaua
15:11:45  <Borg> mostly TATA as provider
15:11:48  <Borg> no wonder its piece of shit
15:11:59  <Borg> holy fuck....
15:12:03  <Borg> this is very bad news for me..
15:12:18  <Borg> because my ISP is probably going to be bought up by them....
15:12:23  <Borg> lucky.. im dual homed :D
15:13:00  <RafiX> but as fucking always my mother thinks it's worse than our current connection and agreement (idk if that's a correct term, maybe it was contract) have to end first
15:13:38  <Borg> well, I cant ping your endpoint at all
15:13:45  <Borg> traceroute dies somewhere in plusnet.pl
15:13:55  <Borg>  9    10 ms    10 ms    10 ms  212.2.99.246
15:13:55  <RafiX> wtf
15:13:59  <Borg> last home isnt that bad :)
15:14:10  <RafiX> well it was SOMETIMES okay
15:14:20  <RafiX> like 50Mbps dl and 25Mbps up
15:15:07  <Borg> well.. its still radio...
15:16:14  <RafiX> it's funny that they say it's good for watching HD movies online and playing online games..
15:16:32  <Borg> well.. on specs.. it looks not bad...
15:16:41  <RafiX> I wonder if that celebrite from advert ever used that shit
15:16:50  <Borg> but.. as always... in practice it doesnt look good
15:17:03  <RafiX> ^
15:17:07  <RafiX> it's tragic
15:17:40  <Borg> well...
15:17:49  <Borg> still... OpenTTD uses like 20Kbit/s per client
15:17:58  <Borg> and doesnt need bleeding edge rtt
15:18:03  <Borg> so.. its weird u cannon connect
15:18:09  <Borg> maybe u used so crappy severs? ;)
15:18:11  <Borg> can happen
15:18:15  <RafiX> it's more about downloading map
15:18:20  <Borg> u can try my server
15:18:27  <Borg> if u want.. I can give u IP + GRF
15:18:41  <Borg> but first.. get OpenTTD 1.6.1 if u want to try
15:18:52  <RafiX> well I could download it from debian repo
15:18:54  <RafiX> maybe later
15:19:06  <Borg> ohh linux :)
15:19:14  <RafiX> well yeah
15:19:22  <RafiX> I can't work on windows for too long
15:19:34  <Borg> im fine w/ windows.. but only specific version.. ;)
15:19:49  <RafiX> Borg: I guess it shouldn't look like this http://rafix.ct8.pl/files/traceroute.txt
15:19:53  <LordAro> Borg: if you're on windows, you have 0 excuse for not upgrading to 1.7 :p
15:19:57  <RafiX> ^
15:20:08  <RafiX> well maybe he's running server on linux
15:20:13  <Borg> of course on linux
15:20:20  <Borg> I had to compile gcc-4.9 first! to compile openttd
15:20:23  <LordAro> RafiX: eh, that traceroute isn't necessarily bad
15:20:32  <LordAro> ping time is awful
15:20:41  <RafiX> and speed
15:20:41  <LordAro> but you can't take much into account from the hops being missing
15:20:45  <Borg> LordAro: oh? u can ping him?
15:21:02  <Borg> I have timeouts
15:21:07  <LordAro> Borg: no, it's in the txt file :p
15:21:17  <RafiX> ^
15:21:22  <Borg> ahh lets see
15:21:43  <Borg> RafiX: try traceroute -I
15:21:51  <LordAro> mtr
15:21:51  <Borg> it sends ICMP packets instead of UDP.. u might get better result
15:21:56  <RafiX> Borg: hmm, I can ping you
15:22:03  <Borg> RafiX: what rtt?
15:22:28  <RafiX> I only send one packet
15:22:31  <RafiX> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 41.951/41.951/41.951/0.000 ms
15:22:35  <Borg> not bad
15:22:42  <Borg> so teoreticaly...
15:22:49  <Borg> u should join my server just fine...
15:23:00  <Borg> but.. u  might have big packet loss on link...
15:23:09  <Borg> thats why U might experiencing problem joining servers
15:23:19  <Borg> today ISPs.. doesnt care about QoS... :( shit shit shit
15:23:26  <RafiX> Borg: http://rafix.ct8.pl/files/traceroute.txt with -I
15:23:52  <RafiX> well I have some packet loss
15:24:15  <Borg> well.. if its above 3%
15:24:18  <Borg> its become annoying
15:24:45  <LordAro> RafiX: there's no packet loss shown on that output
15:24:54  <LordAro> RafiX: run mtr
15:25:01  <LordAro> it's like traceroute, but with ping
15:25:02  <Borg> mtr is bad for checking packetloss
15:25:05  <LordAro> and it looks fancy
15:25:15  <LordAro> Borg: i mean, anything is
15:25:24  <Borg> best tool is using fping or similar.. and generate 100pps at least to well know target..
15:25:34  <Borg> or.. *at* least 10pps
15:25:37  <Borg> to get any reasults
15:25:40  <LordAro> that's... a ping storm
15:25:45  <Borg> ping storm? haha
15:25:50  <LordAro> and is liable to just get you dropped
15:26:10  <Borg> ping storm is when we have k prefix before pps ;)
15:26:12  <Borg> naaah
15:26:16  <Borg> I said.. well know target..
15:26:18  <LordAro> servers are quite within their rights to say "i've got better things to do than respond to this ICMP packet, i'm going to ignore it"
15:26:23  <Borg> some BSD or Linux server.. it will not drop
15:26:25  <LordAro> Borg: well, it's unnecessary, at least
15:26:40  <LordAro> eh
15:27:08  <Borg> routers usually drop ICMPs (limit)
15:27:14  <Borg> but not servers.. unless configured
15:27:18  <Borg> and this is rare
15:27:40  <LordAro> eh, routers are servers :p
15:27:44  <Borg> no
15:27:53  <Borg> routers are routers.. servers are servers.. and servers can be routers..
15:27:56  <Borg> but no other way around
15:28:09  <RafiX> and some routers can be servers
15:28:21  <Borg> routers are more specialized hardware... for routing packets.. they have ASICs.. TCAMs.. etc
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15:28:30  <Borg> some routers?
15:28:35  <Borg> ahh.. u speak about SOHO market.
15:28:41  <Borg> that doesnt count dude :)
15:28:44  <LordAro> not even that
15:28:50  <RafiX> openwrt
15:28:56  <LordAro> i've seen plenty of consumer level stuff that you can connect a drive to
15:28:58  <Borg> RafiX: its SOHO
15:29:12  <Borg> Im speaking about big L3 switches or routers...
15:29:19  <Borg> what ISPs run
15:29:34  <LordAro> well indeed
15:29:36  <Borg> try run anything on Cisco 6807-XL ;)
15:29:50  <LordAro> exactly :p
15:29:58  <LordAro> but anyway
15:30:05  <LordAro> mtr is still useful
15:30:12  <Borg> yeah...
15:30:20  <Borg> but can be misleading
15:30:26  <LordAro> it's just not always as clear as "omg it dropped a packet"
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17:35:49  <V453000> 0.16 hype anyone? :)
17:36:28  <Borg> ?
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17:41:30  <LordAro> V453000: always
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17:46:54  <V453000> :)
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18:11:07  <Borg> hehe../ around 10k production at factory.. still rating >90% :D
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18:45:49  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27944 trunk/src/lang/spanish_MX.txt (2017-12-14 19:45:41 +0100 )
18:45:50  <DorpsGek> -Update from Eints:
18:45:51  <DorpsGek> spanish (mexican): 1 change by Absay
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19:08:08  <drac_boy> sunny-but-cold winter hi from me
19:08:14  * drac_boy couldn't resist :p
19:08:57  <RafiX> tfw there's no snow
19:09:05  <RafiX> gib snow back
19:09:37  <drac_boy> rafix umm sorry but there IS a thick layer of slight hard snow on the ground all around here? :-)
19:09:50  <drac_boy> either way rafix hows your health compared to yesterday?
19:10:15  <RafiX> I visited my doctor today
19:10:23  <RafiX> got some meds, but will buy them tommorow :/
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19:10:36  <andythenorth> o/
19:10:45  <RafiX> o/
19:11:19  <drac_boy> hi andy
19:11:26  <drac_boy> well hope things will be ok soon anyhow rafix
19:11:55  <RafiX> at least I have rest of the week off
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19:13:32  <Wolf01> o/
19:17:40  <andythenorth> is wolf
19:18:36  <drac_boy> so is there any limit to the vehicle name (for in buy list) or just anything goes as long as its not a reserved value name?
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19:48:48  <V453000> Iz
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20:02:30  <andythenorth> iz V453000
20:02:40  <andythenorth> tank win rate static
20:02:42  <andythenorth> getting bored
20:15:26  <Wolf01> Play OTTD
20:15:33  <Borg> ;)
20:20:27  <Borg> geez
20:20:41  <Borg> I dont really get why ppl put semaphores every 2-3 tiles...
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