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AHAHAHHA great 11:12:33 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 11:12:40 <Wolf01> Meow 11:18:33 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 11:18:54 <Wolf01> When you want to scare a cat, just meow back at it 11:42:21 <V453000> gg 11:45:14 <Wolf01> I need a different way to load wagons for the outposts, or fix the inserters... I'm able to only load 12 kinds of entities or inserters will get stuck 11:47:45 <Eddi|zuHause> doesn't work with my cat 11:48:07 <V453000> it's probably possible to do some smart stuff and let them fill stuff precisely Wolf01 11:49:31 <Wolf01> Yes, like reading hand content and do some math, then the station will look like a motherboard of comparators, combinators and cables 11:50:20 <V453000> well, is that a bad thing if it does what you need? :P 11:50:48 <Wolf01> The problem is to figure out how to do it 11:51:26 *** mindlesstux has quit IRC 11:51:36 *** RafiX has joined #openttd 11:51:36 <V453000> well that is the fun part, no? :P 11:51:47 <Wolf01> I think I'll go for bob's inserters again: "long filter stack inserter" 11:52:27 *** mindlesstux has joined #openttd 11:53:44 <Wolf01> And the recycler stuff... I forgot to set the chest limit and produced 1k of active provider chests I don't even use... usually I produce just 50 of them 11:54:46 * RafiX played OpenTTD on WIi 11:54:48 <RafiX> Wii* 11:54:52 <RafiX> it's.. weird 11:55:57 <V453000> Wolf01 likes to solve his problems by lazy features :P 11:56:14 <Wolf01> Yes 11:56:50 <LordAro> "Improved Factorio link time in Visual studio. This was done by Rseding91, who provided the visual studio guys with Factorio sources and kept bothering them until they tested that and improved C++ link time in the 15.5 Visual studio release. The final release of Factorio with all optimisations and link time code generation took 45 minutes to compile and link, and now it takes 3.5 minutes. This sped up 11:56:57 <LordAro> our release time quite a bit." 11:56:59 <LordAro> nice. 11:57:20 <Wolf01> I have already enough work to create the perfect blueprints for modular building 11:57:44 <Wolf01> Wow, 45 > 3.5 minutes 12:00:45 *** supermop has joined #openttd 12:11:26 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 12:16:45 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 12:23:44 *** RafiX has quit IRC 12:27:15 *** Alberth has joined #openttd 12:27:15 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Alberth 12:30:15 <Wolf01> o/ 12:33:15 <Borg> where is damn SH-40 ;) its needed 12:34:11 *** RafiX has joined #openttd 12:42:39 <Wolf01> Mmmh strange, requester chest not requesting 12:44:05 <Wolf01> Removing the requested item and setting it again fixed the problem 12:46:53 *** urdh has quit IRC 12:49:38 *** Gja has quit IRC 12:52:14 <Borg> shiiit.. overload at factory 12:52:22 <Borg> I should add more trains earlier ;) 12:53:01 * RafiX need to check something now 12:54:53 <RafiX> Borg: can you check for me if there's any OpenTTD 1.3.2 server online? 12:55:12 <Borg> 1.3.2 ? :) didnt saw any 12:55:31 <Borg> why so old version? 12:55:37 <RafiX> it's on Wii 12:56:34 <Borg> oh 12:56:34 *** amaury has joined #openttd 12:56:36 <Borg> there is 1.3.0 server 12:56:40 <amaury> Hi everybody 12:57:06 <RafiX> damn it 12:57:14 <RafiX> so I'll need to host one 12:57:28 <Borg> more 1.3.0 servers 12:57:31 <amaury> could you tell me how to run 2 different version of ottd ? 12:57:37 <Borg> amaury: OS? 12:57:45 <amaury> looking for a tutorial for Windows 12:57:50 <Borg> on Windows its easy 12:57:55 <amaury> -'bits 12:58:09 <Borg> just download ZIP w/ windows binary and unpack it to.. like openttd-1.3.2 ;) 12:58:16 <Borg> and also copy all files + .ini you need 12:58:17 <RafiX> well on Windows it's easy, just download older version in zip and store them in separate folders 12:58:18 <Borg> and vioala 12:58:47 <Borg> RafiX: you have someone who will play w/ you ? 12:59:02 <RafiX> Borg: well idk 12:59:06 <Borg> huh.. 12:59:10 <RafiX> I'll need to ask my friends 12:59:14 <Borg> yeah... 12:59:39 <amaury> so if i download this client https://citymania.org/downloads 12:59:49 <amaury> i just need to unzip and run ? 12:59:55 <LordAro> amaury: yup 13:00:10 <Borg> unzip... and copy necessary OpenTTD files (orginal TTD packs, or OpenGRF+ replacements) 13:00:24 <Borg> just read readme... 13:00:24 <LordAro> Borg: not necessarily 13:00:32 <Borg> LordAro: really? 13:00:34 <LordAro> if it's in the common directory 13:00:43 <LordAro> read the readme ;) 13:01:04 <Borg> well...I never use common directory ;) 13:01:52 <LordAro> http://hg.openttd.org/trunk.hg/file/98f62076aab0/readme.txt#l267 13:02:11 <_dp_> I recall it downloads opengfx automatically if there is no graphics yet 13:02:33 <RafiX> no it doesn't 13:02:36 <RafiX> at least for me 13:02:53 <LordAro> it's supposed to 13:03:59 <amaury> thank you =) 13:08:30 <Borg> RafiX: whats Wii? anyway? 13:08:38 <RafiX> console 13:08:42 <RafiX> Nintendo Wii 13:08:49 <Borg> uh.. 13:08:53 <Borg> its not x86 based? 13:08:57 <RafiX> PowerPC 13:09:12 <Borg> so no luck upgrading OpenTTD 13:09:15 <RafiX> well yeah 13:09:27 <RafiX> well maybe if I'll do it by myself :p 13:09:35 <Borg> try it 13:09:58 <Borg> I wonder what OS it runs.. 13:10:08 <Borg> will you get compiler toolchain for it? 13:10:14 <RafiX> there is one 13:10:17 <RafiX> on github 13:10:31 <Borg> then go for it.. 13:10:36 <Borg> instead of trying to find players for 1.3.2 ;) 13:10:54 <RafiX> well idk if my skills are good enough 13:10:57 <RafiX> but I'll try 13:12:29 <Borg> oh.. Bi-Endianess... 13:12:31 <Borg> interesting 13:14:26 <RafiX> also I have a PS3 but it's not that one that can run Linux :c 13:21:06 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 13:32:03 <Wolf01> And here I am, with a ginger ale in my hand :P 13:33:24 <Wolf01> V, I think there is something weird with the logistic network, flying fucks are sleeping while stuff is requested and available 13:33:53 <Wolf01> Also they don't take away my trash until I get in the area of another roboport 13:43:25 *** smoke_fumus has joined #openttd 13:57:50 *** urdh has joined #openttd 14:05:35 *** Flygon has quit IRC 14:15:50 *** Samu has joined #openttd 14:15:53 <Samu> hi 14:16:10 <RafiX> henlo 14:17:40 <Samu> i feel like seting up my AI servers again 14:17:57 <Samu> do a new competition 14:18:33 * RafiX will maybe host a 1.3.2 server :p 14:19:08 <Samu> this time I'm thinking of doing something different 14:19:42 <Samu> the starting year will be 2051, and i intend to run for 100 years 14:20:24 <Samu> maybe not 100 years, cus it takes so much time 14:20:59 <Samu> ST2, could u tell me what's your average server length? 14:21:04 <Samu> duration 14:22:15 <Samu> looks like he's sleeping 14:22:19 <Samu> :) 14:22:43 <Samu> well, any suggestions? what would you like to see tested in an AI competition? 14:23:51 <RafiX> never tried AI much 14:30:08 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 14:30:59 *** stefino has joined #openttd 14:34:29 <stefino> hi. Is in OTTD any better offset tool than basic tool in the game? This original tool is good but it will be better when I can write numers instead of click on the arrows. It is really poisonous when I need to move on 50/100 pixels...Thanks 14:36:21 <V453000> no you just have to click a lot :) 14:37:15 <LordAro> stefino: if you need to move that much, maybe you need to adjust the grf 14:38:41 <stefino> mm, okay :D thx :) 14:40:52 <Rubidium> doesn't shift or ctrl help? 14:42:02 *** Gustavo6046 has joined #openttd 14:43:59 <Borg> founding new commercial buildings in town.. should have higher chance to actually found Warehouse ;) 14:43:59 <V453000> oh yeah that 14:45:22 *** amaury has quit IRC 14:50:48 <Borg> btw, I have idea about cargo flow tool 14:51:07 <Borg> not sure if its easy to do.. but it should draw line only in right direction.. 14:51:16 <Borg> if I move coal A -> B and not B -> A 14:51:21 <Borg> no need to draw both lines? 14:52:25 <Borg> would make it more usefull actually.... 14:52:42 *** Gja has joined #openttd 14:53:17 <stefino> Rubidium: oh thanks :) ctrl helped 15:01:02 *** cosmobird has joined #openttd 15:03:17 <michi_cc> So, when was the last time someone tried to make a screenshot using the menu item or the console command (but not Ctrl-S) when using a video driver with threaded drawing? 15:08:13 <michi_cc> It does a screen refresh at the same time the draw thread is running, which is... unfortunate when you actually want to do stuff with the video buffer in there :) 15:11:34 *** iSoSyS has quit IRC 15:14:59 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 15:20:51 <LordAro> michi_cc: lol. 15:21:03 <LordAro> michi_cc: i'm more curious why Ctrl+S presumably does something different 15:21:38 <michi_cc> LordAro: Menu/command handling is done inside the GameLoop (which is the threaded part), keyboard input is done outside of it. 15:22:16 <LordAro> i see 15:22:17 *** Gustavo6046 has quit IRC 15:32:28 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 15:34:08 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 15:36:51 <Samu> something i've never tried was infrastructure maintenance, gonna test tyhis 15:36:57 <Samu> will also test cargodist 15:37:41 <Samu> I wonder which AI will fare 15:41:46 *** urdh has quit IRC 15:43:08 *** urdh has joined #openttd 15:46:20 <Samu> symmetric or asymetric ? 15:46:30 <Samu> passengers , mail, armoured, other 15:48:42 <Samu> anyone familiar with cargodist? what seems to result best? 15:48:55 <Samu> symmetric/symmetric/asymmetric/manual? 15:49:11 <Samu> everything symmetric? everything asymmetric? 15:56:20 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 15:56:25 *** smoke_fumus has quit IRC 15:57:51 <Alberth> depends 15:58:10 <Alberth> what do you define as "best result" ? 15:59:04 <V453000> I can confirm that people build best networks with cargodist off :P 15:59:07 *** Cubey has joined #openttd 16:00:16 <Alberth> and no breakdowns either, I guess? 16:00:51 <Alberth> then it's trivial to build a network :p 16:02:10 <Samu> gonna try everything symmetric 16:02:38 <Samu> oh, assymmetric for other cargoes 16:02:50 <Samu> there's only two choices 16:03:29 <Samu> damn :( 16:03:40 <Samu> symmetric/symmetric/asymmetric/asymmetric 16:03:41 <Wormnest> Note that most ai´s tend to build point to point connections without cross connections to other destinations 16:04:17 <Alberth> symmetric means that you need mostly the same amount of cargo in both directions to work 16:04:48 <Samu> another thing i'm testing is the # opcodes 16:04:48 <Alberth> so pax from big city to small village won't work very well 16:04:56 <Samu> i used to test with 250k ops 16:05:07 <Samu> now i'm doing the opposite, test with 5k ops, minimum value possible 16:05:35 <stefino> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuEkiqEUB9o - my first multi-part bus 16:05:53 <Samu> see who gets more things done with less operations 16:21:34 *** stefino has quit IRC 16:27:10 <Samu> right_mouse_wnd_close = false 16:27:20 <Samu> is this a real new setting or was it from some random patch? 16:38:51 *** Gustavo6046 has joined #openttd 16:51:40 <Alberth> Samu r27825 16:55:41 <Samu> oh, nice, it's real 17:01:20 <LordAro> did you not expect it to be real? 17:02:46 <Alberth> just try it :) 17:04:46 <Samu> the first 8 AIs i'm gonna test 17:04:50 <Samu> hmm 17:06:16 <Samu> will test those which got recent updates 17:08:44 <Samu> too many GS topics... 17:11:38 <Samu> shall i test them solo, or against each other? 17:11:57 <Samu> i'm about to begin 17:12:10 <Samu> just needs to setup them on each server 17:12:30 <Samu> gonna test solo, i guess 17:17:28 *** Tirili has joined #openttd 17:22:31 <Samu> started 8 AIs 17:25:41 *** Gja has quit IRC 17:28:40 *** Gja has joined #openttd 17:32:37 <Samu> best start goes to MpAI 17:32:52 <Samu> worst start goes to HeliFerry 17:33:04 <Samu> in fact, it just bankrupted, rip 17:41:20 *** bryjen has joined #openttd 17:49:12 *** supermop has quit IRC 17:55:50 <Samu> ShipAI crashed 17:56:06 <Samu> cpu evaluator 17:56:47 <Samu> NoNoCAB hasn't done anything yet 17:57:00 <Samu> it's been 2 years 18:02:57 <Samu> choochoo picked the old rail to begin with :( 18:03:04 <Samu> i'm starting in 2051, there's maglev already 18:03:32 *** glx has joined #openttd 18:03:32 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 18:04:53 <Samu> NoNoCAB has finally started, with 4 ships, no less 18:04:58 <Samu> intresting 18:12:01 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 18:13:21 *** Gustavo6046 has quit IRC 18:16:28 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 18:16:41 *** Gja has quit IRC 18:23:36 *** supermop has joined #openttd 18:30:45 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 18:30:48 <Samu> WormAI is pathfinding for 4 years already 18:31:18 <Samu> ChooChoo is pathfinding for 5 18:31:37 *** supermop has quit IRC 18:34:31 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 18:35:29 *** Tirili has quit IRC 18:40:38 *** Tirili has joined #openttd 18:43:57 <Borg> Samu: infastructure maintenance is nothing big. just extra costs... 18:44:04 <Borg> for all tiles.. + semaphores 18:44:12 <Borg> I play with it 18:44:29 *** glx has quit IRC 18:44:44 *** bryjen has quit IRC 18:46:10 *** Gja has joined #openttd 18:46:25 *** glx has joined #openttd 18:46:25 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 18:47:42 <Samu> some ai's arent aware of it being enabled 18:48:02 <Samu> this will be interesting 18:51:38 <Samu> Wormnest: WormAI started pathfinding in 2052, failed in 2057, why did it took so long :( 18:52:13 <Samu> seems that 5k ops is a problem 18:53:01 <Wormnest> Samu: That´s difficult to say, depends on a lot of factors 18:54:23 <Borg> arggh! 18:54:31 <Borg> I got bite off by findversion.sh script... 18:54:32 <Samu> let me check some autosave, see what was it 18:57:45 <Samu> ah i see 18:57:58 <Samu> it was trying to pathfind over water 18:58:31 <Samu> there was a big sea between the 2 stations, it would require a reallly long bridge 19:01:38 <Samu> Wormnest: https://imgur.com/s7X9AzW 19:01:39 <Borg> well.. writing AI aint simple ;P 19:01:54 <Samu> wanted to connect by rail 19:02:07 <Samu> took 5 years to bail out 19:04:06 <Wormnest> I thought I had a shorter timeout in place but maybe that´s in NoNoCab 19:05:08 <Samu> is 5k ops affecting it? 19:05:16 <Samu> i've also set ai speed to very slow 19:05:31 *** supermop has joined #openttd 19:05:59 <Samu> script_max_opcode_till_suspend = 5000 19:06:30 <Samu> competitor_speed = 0 19:07:21 <Wormnest> Well slow ai speed means it will take longer pauses in between doing certain things 19:08:25 <Wormnest> Max opcodes will influence how much it can do each time so yes that´s making it worse but not the only cause 19:09:15 <Samu> for this competition i was checking who could do more with less 19:09:18 <Samu> :p 19:11:07 <Samu> ChooChoo is doing worse 19:13:00 <RafiX> I played with CPU so I don't needed to make roads between cities 19:13:29 <Samu> NoNoCAB is building airports outside catcment area 19:13:38 <RafiX> nice 19:13:40 <Samu> wants to pick up fruits 19:13:44 <Samu> but... 19:13:51 <Samu> fruits don't reach the airport 19:14:40 <Samu> this is gonna be too harmful with infrastructure maintenance 19:14:50 <Samu> expecting it to RIP soon 19:17:59 <Samu> https://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=200743 19:18:21 <Samu> do you need savegame?= 19:18:41 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 19:26:46 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 19:37:12 *** mindlesstux has quit IRC 19:37:44 *** mindlesstux has joined #openttd 19:38:12 <Wormnest> Hmm I thought I fixed that in the last version 19:39:02 <Wormnest> Yeah maybe a savegame might help 19:40:35 <Samu> ok, brb 19:42:08 <Samu> https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=75030&p=1200547#p1200547 19:47:45 <Wormnest> Thanks, I´ll have a look later 19:53:15 <Borg> guys.. bug? 19:53:20 <Borg> Signs are not synced properly? 20:30:09 *** Tirili has quit IRC 20:36:59 *** Progman_ has joined #openttd 20:39:18 *** supermop has quit IRC 20:40:14 *** Tirili has joined #openttd 20:42:23 *** Progman has quit IRC 20:42:37 *** Progman_ is now known as Progman 20:44:57 *** cosmobird has quit IRC 20:57:56 *** Maraxus has joined #openttd 21:22:28 *** Alberth has left #openttd 21:31:11 *** Borg has quit IRC 21:42:11 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 21:43:55 <Samu> choochoo took 10 years to give up pathfinding 21:44:01 <Samu> woah 22:08:53 *** synchris has quit IRC 22:09:43 *** Gja has quit IRC 22:09:58 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 22:11:48 *** sim-al2 is now known as Guest779 22:11:49 *** sim-al2 has joined #openttd 22:16:48 *** Guest779 has quit IRC 22:18:16 *** Maraxus has quit IRC 22:26:52 *** sim-al2 is now known as Guest780 22:26:53 *** sim-al2 has joined #openttd 22:30:49 *** Guest780 has quit IRC 22:34:12 *** RafiX has quit IRC 23:17:33 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 23:19:02 <Samu> Wormnest: still there? 23:19:47 <Wormnest> yeah but leaving soon 23:19:54 <Samu> https://imgur.com/um6QTxF WormAI builds those bridges, but why? 23:20:41 <Samu> train speed goes at 600 km/h but is slowed down to 250 on those bridges 23:23:03 <Wormnest> Not sure maybe I´ll take a look tomorrow if I´m in the mood 23:31:11 <Samu> weird, is cargodist bugged? 23:31:32 <Samu> a train is trying to full load oil 23:32:54 <Samu> who's a cargodist expert? 23:32:56 <Samu> https://imgur.com/ey1Ip6L 23:33:00 <Samu> why isn't that train loading? 23:33:02 <Wormnest> not me 23:33:11 <Samu> this is on choochoo server 23:35:26 <Wormnest> The cargo wants to go directly to its destination but the train has the depot destination in between 23:36:50 <Samu> why would that be a problem? :( 23:37:22 <Samu> could it be the implicit order? 23:38:00 <Samu> strange 23:38:14 <Wormnest> It sees that as a different destination, the first via station that´s what it wants 23:39:03 <Wormnest> Not sure if the implicit order matters I would not think so 23:39:19 <Wormnest> But I´m not a cargodist expert at all 23:41:31 <Wormnest> night 23:41:37 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 23:58:57 *** Flygon has joined #openttd