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11:34:59  <Samu> hello
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14:12:21  <supermop_work> yo
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18:52:57  <Samu> hello
18:53:09  <Samu> where is alberth? :(
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19:00:15  <andythenorth> @seen alberth
19:00:15  <DorpsGek> andythenorth: alberth was last seen in #openttd 1 day, 3 hours, 27 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <Alberth> o/
19:01:46  <supermop_work> hi andy
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19:03:12  <andythenorth> lo mop
19:03:18  <Samu> gonna start dissecting the "large airplane on short runway" patch into smaller patch pieces for commit or whatever
19:03:37  <Samu> for alberth, if he's still interested
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19:14:11  <supermop_work> i think i need to get rid of road trains
19:18:36  <supermop_work> also steeltown makes me want better foundry transports, and trams with ladles for slag and metal
19:20:20  <andythenorth> +1
19:20:27  <andythenorth> going to do that in Road Hog...eventually
19:20:44  <andythenorth> need an NRT conclusion first
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19:38:20  <supermop_work> i end up using my little industrial trams as belts
19:38:34  <supermop_work> to abuse station ratings
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19:48:13  <andythenorth> yup
19:56:31  <supermop_work> with only the open wagons they feel a bit silly for some uses, but i already have such an explosion of vehicles
19:57:11  <Samu> i don't know how to make a patch-chain
19:57:55  <Samu> i can't tell tortoisesvn to create a patch against trunk, but to create it against my work, how do i do this
19:59:57  <Samu> branch/tag?
20:00:04  <Samu> who's familiar with tortoise?
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20:04:56  <john-aj> perhaps you could use a separate tool? like `diff'
20:05:30  <Samu> diff? hmm ok
20:05:31  <Samu> let me try
20:05:34  <LordAro> Samu: svn isn't good at patch queues
20:05:53  <john-aj> are you on windows? i don't know what tools there are there
20:05:53  <LordAro> you'll likely want something like hg or git
20:06:24  <john-aj> yeah, i'd recommend that too :-)
20:07:22  <Samu> tortoisegit?
20:07:30  <LordAro> (helpfully for you, tortoisehg & tortoisegit also exist)
20:08:47  <Samu> i'm so screwed
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20:16:38  <andythenorth> I am bored of tanks
20:18:12  <supermop_work> world of trams
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21:22:11  <Samu> LordAro: hi again, which one is easier for a noob like me? tortoisehg or tortoisegit?
21:24:11  <LordAro> that is a very good question
21:24:22  <LordAro> for ottd, it's almost entirely subjective
21:24:35  <LordAro> mercurial is probably on the easier side
21:24:37  <LordAro> probably
21:25:00  <Samu> mercurial?
21:25:08  <Samu> tortoisemercurial?
21:25:09  <LordAro> hg
21:25:21  <LordAro> you'll really want to do some reading first
21:25:29  <LordAro> as much as i know you're resistant to doing so
21:25:51  <Samu> oh Hg from chemistry
21:26:23  <Samu> yeah, reading kinda sucks, unless it goes straight to the point
21:26:54  <Samu> alright, installing tortoisehg, brb
21:29:09  <LordAro> turns out that learning involves knowing more than just very specific things
21:29:39  <Samu> do i need tortoisesvn installed prior? or it's standalone?
21:29:53  <Samu> whatever, i'm installing it
21:30:07  <Samu> if shit happens i can always restore
21:30:35  <LordAro> you don't even know what hg is, do you?
21:31:05  <Samu> something that let's me patch stuff better, i guess
21:31:05  <LordAro> seriously, just a cursory glance at some documentation would make things orders of magnitude easier for you
21:31:29  <supermop_work> this is taking me back to 2010 when i accidentally somehow fucked my registry by blindly installing tortoise stuff
21:31:38  <supermop_work> with no understanding
21:31:45  <LordAro> that does sound rather strange
21:32:13  <supermop_work> as the computer was 5 years old i eventually just bought a new computer, and last i checked, that laptop is still kind of fucked
21:32:22  <Samu> must restart windows, k brb
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21:32:37  <LordAro> this is not going to go well for him
21:32:41  <LordAro> a guarantee it
21:32:52  <LordAro> ah well
21:33:25  <ST2> well, soon to expect an explosion of questions about hg xD
21:34:09  <supermop_work> well probably he wont go as far as needing to buy a new computer at least
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21:34:26  <Samu> re
21:36:16  <john-aj> mercurial is good, but for someone who doesn't seem to know what a version control system even is, i'd suppose that git is a better option, just because it's more popular
21:37:31  <john-aj> probably more documentation that's easier to grasp
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21:39:44  <LordAro> yeah, could've gone either way really
21:41:12  <Samu> erm, apparently i need to clone something
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21:42:27  <Samu> alright, time to go read wtf tortoise hg is for
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21:50:01  <Samu> that's it, i have no idea what I just installed lol
21:50:28  <Samu> looks like i still need tortoise svn to download a repository? that I can clone with tortoise hg?
21:50:38  <Samu> am i saying something stupid?
21:50:43  <LordAro> not entirely
21:50:58  <LordAro> http://hg.openttd.org/trunk.hg/ try this instead
21:51:44  <Samu> how do i download that into my computer?
21:52:40  <Samu> ok gonna try
21:52:51  <LordAro> broadly similarly to how you "downloaded" the svn checkout onto your computer
21:53:05  <Samu> https://hg.openttd.org/trunk.hg/archive/tip.zip
21:53:13  <LordAro> no
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21:53:50  <LordAro> https://www.mercurial-scm.org/wiki/QuickStart read this
21:53:55  <Samu> oki
21:54:01  <LordAro> http://tortoisehg.readthedocs.io/en/latest/quick.html then this
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21:59:27  <Samu> alright, seems more complicated than i thought
22:01:49  <Samu> damn brazillian portuguese GARBAGE...
22:02:09  <Samu> i hate it when they default programs to my sys language
22:02:37  <LordAro> i'd imagine it's a reasonable default
22:03:47  <Samu> en is much more easier
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22:07:45  <LordAro> Samu: well why not set it as your system language?
22:11:41  <Samu> i prefer my OS in portuguese, and some programs too, but not all, I don't like automatic decisions
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22:21:18  <Samu> i'm at 4.4 here and failing http://tortoisehg.readthedocs.io/en/latest/quick.html
22:21:29  <Samu> what files? the directory is completely empty
22:22:58  <LordAro> Samu: ah, i see
22:22:59  <Samu> well i have 1 file only
22:23:04  <Samu> .hgignore
22:23:05  <LordAro> you've created a brand new repo
22:23:07  <Samu> it's the only file i find
22:23:19  <Samu> size: 0
22:23:24  <Samu> yse
22:23:33  <LordAro> whereas you (probably) want to copy the existing openttd repo
22:24:05  <LordAro> get rid of that folder, and skip ahead to 4.8
22:24:08  <LordAro> (then go back to 4.4)
22:24:13  <Samu> oh, so that's it, ok
22:25:24  <Samu> i knew i shouldn't have uninstalled tortoise svn
22:25:42  <Samu> I have no trunk
22:25:52  <Samu> i thought this thing would fetch it on its own
22:26:01  <LordAro> uninstalling tortoisesvn shouldn't have removed anything
22:26:08  <LordAro> besides, it can fetch on its own
22:26:14  <LordAro> the documentation is a little unclear there
22:26:26  <LordAro> (just use the trunk.hg url above instead of a path)
22:26:59  <Samu> https://hg.openttd.org/trunk.hg/ ?
22:27:02  <Samu> let's see
22:28:11  <Samu> ah, nice nice
22:28:15  <Samu> it's doing magic now
22:28:32  <Samu> a Clone directly from https://hg.openttd.org/trunk.hg/
22:29:51  <Samu> wowah, this looks good
22:31:56  <Samu> what a welcoming message, a eints fix by me
22:31:59  <Samu> lel
22:32:35  <Samu> this is what I see so far
22:32:36  <Samu> https://imgur.com/abiCUyC
22:32:44  <Samu> now i go back to 4.4?
22:33:13  <LordAro> assuming you want to know how to add new files to the repo
22:33:27  <LordAro> i'd read the rest of the document before doing any more
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23:10:34  <Samu> do i still need tortoise svn? i'm slightly confused yet
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23:11:42  <Samu> i can't apply patches anymore. guess i need tortoise svn after all
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23:27:11  <Mahjong> how curious, I had to close my server so I saved it, then reloaded, and all my Z1s had another two carriages duplicated onto the end of them
23:28:42  <Eddi|zuHause> did you use autoreplace?
23:29:25  <Mahjong> might have been that actually come to think of it yeah
23:30:37  <Mahjong> I guess "wagon removal" needs to be on to keep it the same length
23:30:41  <Mahjong> I didn't see that aoption
23:31:14  <ST2> hooorray, Eddi|zuHause solved another case ;)
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23:31:46  <Samu> hi
23:31:58  <Samu> do you tortoise hg?
23:31:59  <ST2> morning :)
23:32:05  <ST2> nah, SVN
23:32:12  <ST2> while it still works ^^
23:32:20  <Samu> ok, i still dunno how to make this work
23:33:06  <ST2> we have our own repo's on BTPro, and all are SVN based, for years
23:34:10  <ST2> well, guess we took the "easy" way at the time xD
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23:48:01  <Samu> i fail at understanding the purpose of this program
23:49:09  <Samu> how do i delete a revision?
23:49:49  <Samu> i created a 22740 and a 22741, while openttd is still at 22739
23:49:59  <Samu> i just dont get this program
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23:58:31  <LordAro> Samu: there are ways to delete revisions
23:58:39  <LordAro> what you've done is make a local commit
23:58:55  <LordAro> you can't make a remote commit, obviously, as you're not a dev
23:59:28  <LordAro> Samu: i'll give you a hint: the first result for googling "hg delete commit"

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