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Log for #openttd on 25th February 2018:
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00:26:20  <Wolf01> 'night
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05:50:30  <Chuck_> hi
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06:39:58  <Alberth> meep meep
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07:05:30  <Alberth> o/
07:11:48  <andythenorth> moin
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08:13:36  <andythenorth> added fruit ship
08:13:42  <andythenorth> for fruit, carrying of http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/unsinkable-sam/push/LATEST/docs/html/ships.html#fruit_veg_carrier_large
08:13:46  <andythenorth> also vegetables
08:16:58  <Alberth> is it by design that it looks so much like the refrigarated ship?
08:17:43  <Alberth> you'd expect it to be white-ish, wouldn't you?
08:18:36  <Alberth> perhaps drop the chimney at the front, and perhaps one side of the cranes on the deck? (or even, no cranes)
08:19:40  <Alberth> unless the refrigerated ship is a refurbishment of the veg carrier ship :)   little paint job, and done :)
08:20:35  <Alberth> hmm, white isn't much needed in a temperate climate I guess
08:22:19  <andythenorth> it's a repaint
08:22:27  <andythenorth> Horse & Hog do same :)
08:26:30  <andythenorth> now I need some smaller ships :(
08:32:54  <andythenorth> these ones are done http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/unsinkable-sam/push/LATEST/docs/html/ships.html
08:32:58  <andythenorth> should I make a 0.1 release? :P
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08:36:31  <Alberth> bit large for 1870 :)
08:37:47  <Alberth> definitely a general-purpose hull :D
08:43:23  <andythenorth> ships is ships :P
08:43:35  <andythenorth> they're all about the same, just the components move around
08:44:05  <andythenorth> I think it's a bit early to release
08:44:11  <andythenorth> lacks too much :P
08:47:46  <Alberth> second hull-type would be nice :)
08:48:34  <andythenorth> I need to finish a smaller one http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/unsinkable-sam/push/LATEST/docs/html/ships.html#bulk_carrier_small
08:48:53  <andythenorth> also there's a big river barge
08:49:03  <andythenorth> but I'm not sure about it
08:55:46  <Alberth> doesn't sound very good
08:55:58  <Alberth> unless you have very wide rivers :)
08:56:37  <Alberth> I disabled rivers a long time ago, too annoying
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09:08:26  <andythenorth> I guess the river barge is just a way to do a different hull
09:08:33  <andythenorth> it doesn't have any other significance
09:08:44  <andythenorth> dunno if it looks good though :P
09:12:31  <Alberth> yeah, water-type isn't that relevant in openttd :)
09:13:15  <Alberth> I often do small boat types for servicing islands
09:13:24  <andythenorth> there will be nice small boats in Sam
09:13:31  <andythenorth> they're harder to draw though :P
09:13:36  <andythenorth> they are just blobs :(
09:13:47  <Alberth> hmm, a very island-ish scenario, could be nice?
09:13:56  <andythenorth> this is the river boat http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/unsinkable-sam/push/LATEST/docs/html/ships.html#bulk_carrier_large
09:14:05  <andythenorth> it has same capacity as the ocean-looking ships
09:14:20  <andythenorth> but I think the sprite doesn't convey that information
09:14:49  <Alberth> it looks too big for a river thing
09:15:01  <Alberth> or your ocean things are too small
09:15:17  <andythenorth> it's too long and too wide imho
09:15:25  <andythenorth> and the hull could be deeper
09:15:28  <andythenorth> IRL barges https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Barge_Destin_on_the_river_Seine_002.JPG
09:15:49  <Alberth> width is just a single pixel?
09:16:01  <Alberth> too long, definitely
09:16:34  <Alberth> 3/4 or 2/3 of an ocean thing would be better
09:16:44  <andythenorth> FIRS dredging site https://www.goskagit.com/gallery/news/skagit-river-barge/collection_60acb22e-c63a-11e2-b613-0019bb2963f4.html
09:16:45  <andythenorth> :P
09:17:27  <Alberth> why would you have same capacity? it would make one of the ships useless, wouldn't it?
09:18:04  <Alberth> clearly carrying water supplies :D
09:18:54  <andythenorth> nah ships come in just a few sizes
09:19:15  <andythenorth> for any cargo, you pick the one you like the look of (refit permitting)
09:20:11  <Alberth> it does work like that :)
09:20:41  <andythenorth> the 'bulk' ship needs to look robust and chunky
09:21:12  <andythenorth> similar http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/iron-horse/push/LATEST/docs/html/static/img/dump_car_pony_gen_6C.png
09:21:22  <andythenorth> maybe more like this? http://www.virusphoto.com/262679-pousseur-de-barge-sur-la-seine.html
09:22:03  <Alberth> big square thing :)
09:22:23  <Alberth> or rather, rectangular
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09:44:51  <Wolf01> Moin
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09:45:07  <NGC3982> i forgot about this channel
09:45:07  <NGC3982> :|
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09:47:51  <Alberth> moin W
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10:07:27  <NGC3982> so, i have put so much hours into cities skylines, factorio and ksp now
10:07:29  <NGC3982> what next?
10:07:31  <andythenorth> ?
10:07:32  <andythenorth> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8843/bulkier_bulk.png
10:07:35  <NGC3982> im actually bored with all of them :(.
10:07:48  <Wolf01> Play astroneer
10:08:09  <Wolf01> They look really cool, andy
10:08:39  <NGC3982> astroneer looks cool!
10:08:44  <andythenorth> does the 'bulk' look same capacity as 'freighter'?
10:09:26  * NGC3982 buys
10:10:19  <LordAro> NGC3982: all 3 of those have extensive modding communities
10:11:17  <NGC3982> LordAro: yeah, i know. i have also explored quite a bit of all the mods
10:11:41  * andythenorth bbl
10:11:45  <andythenorth> such ships
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10:12:10  <NGC3982> ksp modding is cool but has so much version dependecy issues. cities skylines has cool mods, but i spent so many hours with mods i returned to vanilla, and factorio is ..factorio.
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11:19:35  <Eddi|zuHause> the moment i looked into KSP mods it practically killed the game for me
11:21:06  <Eddi|zuHause> i spent all the time debugging mod issues, and none of the time playing
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12:45:48  <Eddi|zuHause> so, i started TF after ages, tried to load my game, it spent way too long loading, and then crashed with a protection fault
12:49:32  <Eddi|zuHause> nope, again crashed on loading the game :/
12:49:55  <Eddi|zuHause> is it not meant to load old games?
12:50:02  <Wolf01> It should
12:51:15  <Eddi|zuHause> nope, also crashing on new games
12:51:33  <Wolf01> Some weird mod?
12:51:47  <Eddi|zuHause> no mods as far as i remember
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13:01:24  <Eddi|zuHause> so much for that game :/
13:03:15  <Wolf01> Quak
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13:03:32  <frosch123> moi
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13:30:28  <andythenorth> o/
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13:35:34  <Samu> hi
13:47:09  <Eddi|zuHause> i have a feeling nothing works today :/
13:48:14  <Wolf01> I'm updating a new game on the wii u, it's saying 5 minutes since 11:20
13:48:45  <Wolf01> It's not even at 50%
13:56:14  <andythenorth> shame the wii u failed
13:56:18  <andythenorth> it's a really nice platform
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14:00:22  <Wolf01> They didn't even belive in it, I only purchased 4 games, included the one bundled, and 2 of them are lego ones
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14:09:09  <Eddi|zuHause> so, i try to start civ6, and then the computer locks up for minutes. afterwards civ6 is gone, all swap is used, and all memory is free
14:11:27  <Eddi|zuHause> also, i tried to disable systemd-coredump like 50 times in the past few years, because it always locks up at 100%
14:11:39  <Eddi|zuHause> and it never works
14:13:44  <Samu> where is cubey
14:17:05  <Wolf01> Just use windows to play games
14:17:06  <Wolf01> :P
14:18:11  <Eddi|zuHause> i tried that, windows wouldn't install
14:18:32  <TrueBrain> you sound like Marvin
14:18:47  <Wolf01> XD
14:23:58  <Alberth> :D
14:29:39  <andythenorth> I could just do http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8844/bulkier_bulk_2.png
14:29:45  <andythenorth> reuse the same ship hull again
14:31:18  <andythenorth> I tried lots of variations (on right of the spritesheet) http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/unsinkable-sam/repository/revisions/f9689b1f535b/entry/src/graphics/ships/bulk_carrier_large_template.png
14:37:57  <andythenorth> bbl
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14:44:36  <supermop> yo
14:49:51  <Samu> @seen Cubey
14:49:51  <DorpsGek> Samu: Cubey was last seen in #openttd 19 hours, 49 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <Cubey> dir /s/b > listfile.txt and then find and replace away the parts of the paths with spaces
14:49:59  <Samu> t.t
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15:44:21  <Samu> I did it!
15:44:24  <Samu> https://pastebin.com/raw/W2Updr7W
15:44:32  <Samu> too bad cubey isn't online
15:45:46  <Samu> doesn't store empty directories though
15:46:17  <Samu> oh, echo del is to be changed to del
15:59:26  <Samu> so bored
16:01:17  * Samu just compressed andythenorth last .png linked, from 39,6 KB (40.626 bytes) to 20,8 KB (21.312 bytes) using paq8px_v138
16:01:35  * TrueBrain just took a dump
16:05:05  <LordAro>  TrueBrain: compression!
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16:05:10  <LordAro> of sorts
16:05:15  <TrueBrain> owh, it was compressed!
16:05:47  <TrueBrain> it was 300 grams of pork, now it was 12 grams of pure shit
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16:06:23  <LordAro> not sure we needed that level of detail
16:06:36  <TrueBrain> I wondered the same with what Samu said ...
16:06:58  <LordAro> ah, but Samu is Samu
16:09:33  <Samu> sorry, i'm a bit bored, waiting for the aircraft ai tests to finish
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17:34:33  <Eddi|zuHause> and my ignorelist is my ignorelist
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19:23:23  <andythenorth> o/
19:32:45  <andythenorth> so what boat am I drawing?
19:33:04  <Eddi|zuHause> the enterprise?
19:34:11  <andythenorth> this one? https://wallscover.com/images/star-trek-enterprise-4.jpg
19:34:29  <Eddi|zuHause> for example
19:34:37  <Eddi|zuHause> loads to choose from :p
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19:35:49  <andythenorth> wondering if a tugboat + barge will look good
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19:42:18  <andythenorth> https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/coal-barge-paris-seine-river-48405038.jpg
19:45:43  <Wolf01> Articulated ships
19:49:06  <andythenorth> not needed :P)
19:55:08  <LordAro> andythenorth: http://www.treknews.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/stid-trailer-enterprise.jpg looks like a boat to me
19:56:46  <andythenorth> bit random
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19:57:31  <LordAro> https://cdn3.whatculture.com/images/2013/05/TheTallShipRises.jpg better picture
19:58:39  <andythenorth> does it crash into the sea?
19:58:45  <andythenorth> my trek knowledge is very outdated
19:58:56  <andythenorth> weds 6pm BBC2, NG
19:59:00  <andythenorth> is all I remember
19:59:02  <LordAro> haha
19:59:11  <LordAro> is from Into Darkness
19:59:24  <andythenorth> British people of a certain age will know exactly what 6pm Weds BBC2 means
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20:19:13  <frosch123> http://hg.openttd.org/trunk.hg/file/5df1674182c3/src/os/windows/ottdres.rc.in#l82 <- glx: what is the effect of the revision number in FILEVERSION and PRODUCTVERSION?
20:19:20  <frosch123> what would break if it was always zero?
20:20:59  <glx> I think it doesn't really matter
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20:22:02  <frosch123> ok, so we can just drop it
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20:52:09  <andythenorth> so http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8845/bulkier_bulk_3.png
20:52:12  <andythenorth> push barge?
20:52:26  <andythenorth> per https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/coal-barge-paris-seine-river-48405038.jpg
20:52:39  <andythenorth> or I can do the easy route http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8844/bulkier_bulk_2.png
21:07:40  <andythenorth> hmm
21:09:33  <andythenorth> relative sizing
21:09:34  <andythenorth> pita
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21:34:52  <Wolf01> I do 'night
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