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Log for #openttd on 23rd March 2018:
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11:13:40  <SnoopyBerlin> hello
11:13:54  <Pikka> hello
11:14:14  <SnoopyBerlin> hello pikka, were are you from?
11:14:39  <Pikka> oh, just around
11:15:05  <SnoopyBerlin> you are from japan?
11:17:58  <SnoopyBerlin> ist hier wer aus deutschland?
11:18:20  <Pikka> I'm not, I'm from Australialands
11:19:10  <SnoopyBerlin> i have heard is very in down under
11:22:38  <SnoopyBerlin> pikka you are male or female
11:23:38  <Pikka> it is, very.
11:23:52  <peter1138> Pikka is probably male or female.
11:23:57  <peter1138> Nobody is quite sure.
11:24:08  <peter1138> Possibly Pikka is a machine.
11:24:28  <SnoopyBerlin> you are real?
11:24:33  <peter1138> SnoopyBerlin, what's your favourite transport type?
11:24:57  <SnoopyBerlin> the vac trains
11:26:04  <SnoopyBerlin> peter you are a human?
11:26:12  <LordAro> peter1138: what is your favourite colour?
11:26:37  <peter1138> Banana.
11:26:57  <peter1138> I'm no human. I'm a cyclist.
11:27:23  <SnoopyBerlin> you are not a mashine like pikka
11:28:11  <Pikka> the banana yellow in TTO was the best company colour.
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11:32:09  <SnoppyBerlin> i amback
11:33:12  <LordAro> omg
11:33:37  <SnoppyBerlin> lord aro. you are a human?
11:34:29  <LordAro> no, i am a Lord
11:35:03  <SnoppyBerlin> from england is this right?
11:35:24  <LordAro> you don't really get Lords anywhere else
11:35:42  <peter1138> Lord Vader..
11:36:03  <LordAro> *really*
11:36:39  <peter1138> I don't think you are *really* a lord...
11:36:46  <SnoppyBerlin> lol
11:36:46  <LordAro> :o
11:37:40  <SnoppyBerlin> bad weather in berlin
11:38:07  <peter1138> There is no weather.
11:38:33  <SnoppyBerlin> why
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11:41:14  <SnoppyBerlin> no one from germany here? :-(
11:41:49  <peter1138> I am from Toyland.
11:42:03  <SnoppyBerlin> grrrrrrrr
11:44:55  <SnoppyBerlin> boring here
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11:47:25  <peter1138> Indeed.
11:48:34  <peter1138> Do I want a Vivoactive HR?
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11:49:12  <peter1138> Was it more boring elsewhere?
11:49:31  <SnoppyBerlin> yes shopping today
11:53:45  <SnoppyBerlin> an admi here
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13:21:50  <Eddi|zuHause> how egocentric must one be to join a place and demand to be entertained?
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13:40:19  <supermop_work> Eddi|zuHause: i demand you entertain me
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14:07:22  <Alberth> o/
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14:10:31  <Flygon> Eddi|zuHause: Too egocentric to join up to Netflix and let the recommendations menu entertain you.
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16:55:39  <nielsm> any chance of the new master git going on air within the next few days? because I'm going on a 2 week trip to japan from thursday next week and I'd like to have my patches rebased to the new one before then :)
17:06:19  <LordAro> think people agreed not to do it before 1.8 release
17:06:27  <LordAro> which will presumably be April 1
17:06:42  <nielsm> oh well
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17:18:49  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm still sceptical about there being an actual release :p
17:27:32  <supermop_work> i'm still demanding that you entertain me
17:27:48  <supermop_work> like maybe an epic poem or saga?
17:28:05  <supermop_work> preferable the saga is about my ego
17:28:36  <Eddi|zuHause> well, you asked for it, i deny all responsibility: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9STF450Jvg&t=0s
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18:16:13  <Wolf01> Moin
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18:32:34  <supermop_work> yo
18:34:47  <Wolf01> frosch123: https://paste.openttdcoop.org/p2pyq4boi
18:34:56  <Wolf01> Feel free to edit it
18:49:15  <supermop_work> Wolf01: don't introduce the 2nd to last item with 'finally'
18:49:29  <supermop_work> I know you mean 'finally this is fixed'
18:49:45  <supermop_work> but it reads odd even if it is technically correct
18:49:49  <Wolf01> Eh, italian legacy
18:50:35  <Wolf01> Even "eventually" means a different thing
18:52:26  <supermop_work> do you mean 'industries window' or industry's window
18:52:49  <supermop_work> is it the industry directory, or the individual window for each industry
18:53:12  <Wolf01> The latter
18:55:33  <supermop_work> slight fixes for style:
18:55:34  <supermop_work> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/ppvdubt7c
18:56:05  <supermop_work> sorry there were a lot of comma splices/run ons
18:57:29  <Wolf01> +1
18:57:43  <supermop_work> you forgot: "removed sea"
18:58:24  <Wolf01> I would put that in the changelog as april fool
18:58:39  <Wolf01> "removed sea, made ships running on tracks"
18:58:56  <Wolf01> Which is not really so wrong
19:00:10  <supermop_work> "removed sea, made airplanes run on canals"
19:01:19  <Wolf01> If only NRT was merged... "removed roads"
19:01:25  <supermop_work> haha
19:02:31  <Wolf01> Merged ships and airplanes, you now can only use ekranoplans
19:03:43  <Wolf01> Where's andy? We should tell him the bad news XD
19:03:50  <supermop_work> feature: removed towns
19:04:10  <Wolf01> That's more a bugfix
19:04:26  <supermop_work> feature: removed game. OpenTTD is now a tetris clone"
19:05:19  <Wolf01> Ahah
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19:15:48  <andythenorth> lo
19:20:22  <Alberth> o/
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19:39:44  <Wolf01> o/ andy
19:55:22  <Wolf01> So what could I do this evening? More than 800 games to play, a lot of movies to see on netflix, more bugs than stars to fix
19:56:15  <Eddi|zuHause> get this surviving mars bug fixed that crashes and burns my whole OS
19:57:46  <Wolf01> I would like to fix astroneer instead... the new rovers slip too much and consume a lot of energy
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20:00:57  <frosch123> https://www.openttd.org/en/news/233 <- you should not have offered the rewording :)
20:01:47  <Wolf01> ;)
20:01:58  <Wolf01> Posted by various animals <- XD
20:02:16  <frosch123> i will avoid the forum post, the tetris part will likely cause confusion drama
20:04:26  <Wolf01> Nono, do it, oh, better provide pictures too
20:12:59  <Wolf01> https://imgur.com/a/9nrhy
20:13:03  <Wolf01> Here it is
20:13:29  <andythenorth> hmm
20:14:17  <andythenorth> tetris AI
20:14:26  <frosch123> tweet it, then i can retweet
20:14:38  <Wolf01> I don't have twitter :P
20:14:53  <andythenorth> I do but not for OpenTTD stuff
20:14:59  <frosch123> i have no idea about twitter, maybe i could tweet from imgur?
20:15:27  <andythenorth> copy link, tweet?
20:15:29  <andythenorth> o_O
20:20:49  <frosch123> it added it as a link, not as an image
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20:32:31  <Eddi|zuHause> clearly you should have "share this on <everything>" links directly on the news item
20:33:03  <Eddi|zuHause> and switch the front page to wordpress while at it
20:33:18  <frosch123> does that still exist?
20:33:28  <Eddi|zuHause> how would i know :p
20:34:10  <frosch123> written in php, so no :p
20:34:51  <Eddi|zuHause> oh, i know
20:35:01  <Eddi|zuHause> put the front page into the blockchain!
20:36:15  <frosch123> there are enough idlers who were chained to a block and cannot leave
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20:52:34  <andythenorth> it has been a blockchain kind of day
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20:55:36  <andythenorth> Hog brainache
20:55:58  <andythenorth> python vehicle classes look like the need mixins
20:56:07  <andythenorth> but mixins are _never_ really needed
20:56:13  <andythenorth> so I must be doing it wrong
20:56:55  <Wolf01> <Eddi|zuHause> clearly you should have "share this on <everything>" links directly on the news item <- just use windows 10 :P
20:57:38  <frosch123> does w10 still need to reboot twice when updating some user-space applications?
20:57:46  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i'm never quite sure what you mean when you say "mixins" but i'd say it qualifies as an antipattern
20:58:19  <andythenorth> multiple inheritance
20:58:19  <andythenorth> https://www.ianlewis.org/en/mixins-and-python
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20:58:35  <andythenorth> I used them before, I think they're terrible
20:59:17  <Wolf01> frosch123: why should it does? I rarely reboot even for updates :)
20:59:48  <andythenorth> I used to go for months without rebooting on OS X
21:00:00  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: ah, i was imagining something even worse...
21:00:08  <andythenorth> now I have to reboot most weeks
21:00:24  <andythenorth> stuff stops working, turn it off and on again
21:00:36  <Wolf01> I have to fully reboot only on patch tuesdays
21:00:58  <andythenorth> what about when your computer just freezes?
21:01:05  <Eddi|zuHause> i rebooted at least once per day the past week, because i bought a game that crashes my system, but i can't really stop trying it out either
21:01:09  <Wolf01> It doesn't
21:01:12  <andythenorth> hmm
21:01:18  <andythenorth> it's a fact of life with macs
21:01:33  <Wolf01> If a process freeze I kill it
21:01:45  <andythenorth> nah, this is the whole device.  Either just stops working, or won't come out of sleep
21:01:51  <andythenorth> increasingly frequent
21:01:54  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: whole OS freezing is usually a driver error
21:02:11  <andythenorth> 'but the people who make the OS make the hardware'
21:02:14  <andythenorth> :
21:02:21  <Wolf01> It's a feature
21:02:30  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: monoculture
21:02:32  <andythenorth> I think it's because of the 500% price premium
21:02:39  <andythenorth> 500% more defects
21:02:47  <Eddi|zuHause> monoculture is never good
21:02:52  <andythenorth> no competition
21:03:20  <Eddi|zuHause> it might seem great in the short term, but in the long term it just doesn't work out
21:03:42  <andythenorth> oh the price premium isn't 500% :o
21:04:14  <andythenorth> where did all the £500 Dell laptops go
21:04:30  <Wolf01> They now are £1000
21:05:04  <Eddi|zuHause> all the cheap laptop market was lost to netbooks and tablets?
21:05:13  <Wolf01> Yup
21:05:34  <andythenorth> :o
21:05:38  <Wolf01> Cheap notebooks are crap, better buy a tablet
21:05:40  <Eddi|zuHause> so all that's left is full desktop-gaming power in laptop format
21:06:06  <Eddi|zuHause> and that never was cheap
21:06:10  <andythenorth> well that's why Apple think they can charge so much for so little then
21:06:15  <andythenorth> the bottom end of the market has gone
21:06:21  <andythenorth> no downward price pressure :(
21:08:31  <andythenorth> it's only a 140% price premium
21:08:48  * andythenorth hates all technology again :P
21:09:06  <Eddi|zuHause> don't try to live in switzerland...
21:09:21  <Eddi|zuHause> there's like a 300% price premium for items bought in switzerland
21:09:43  <Eddi|zuHause> like, the same ikea product bought in austria or switzerland
21:09:50  <andythenorth> I think we voted to try and live in Switzerland in 2016
21:09:55  <Eddi|zuHause> costs 3 times in switzerland
21:10:14  <andythenorth> post-brexit price rise on high-end products was 20%
21:10:18  <andythenorth> post-vote rather
21:13:52  <frosch123> i remember a proposal for switzerland and scotland to swap their territories, so one could be inside eu and the other outisde
21:15:03  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure that'll work out great
21:21:56  <andythenorth> all for the best
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21:50:44  <frosch123> TrueBrain: https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD-RC/issues/6355 <- that one adds references to all tasks #1 to #169 :p can we try escaping some characters with ß or `
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21:52:53  <Wolf01> §
21:53:37  <Wolf01> I don't even know why italian keyboard has it... I think nobody even used it
21:53:56  <Wolf01> I would trade it for ~
21:54:08  <frosch123> § was useful to crash some dos programs
21:54:36  <frosch123> in the dos codepage it was in the control code range < 32
21:55:21  <frosch123> you have no ~ ?
21:55:30  <andythenorth> ~~~~~
21:55:30  <Wolf01> I have no ~
21:55:35  <andythenorth> no ~~ :o
21:55:46  <frosch123> andy has no ° :)
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21:55:48  <andythenorth> how do you get files to appear at top of filename list?
21:55:55  <Wolf01> I have alt+126
21:56:00  <frosch123> what filename list?
21:56:11  <andythenorth> ºªª°
21:56:11  <frosch123> oh ~name ?
21:56:16  <andythenorth> yes
21:56:21  <Wolf01> I use _
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21:56:30  <andythenorth> ~tidy
21:56:35  <andythenorth> ~junk
21:57:32  <frosch123> Wolf01: your { } look scary
21:57:34  <frosch123> how do you code?
21:57:55  <Wolf01> I do have {}, alt+shift+[]
21:58:13  <frosch123> yes, 3 keys :p
21:58:52  <Wolf01> Also I hate to not have uppercase accented letters
21:59:16  <Wolf01> We extensively use È and there is no key for that on the keyboard
21:59:25  <frosch123> you have so few keys with 3 symbols, but then some with 4
22:00:10  <Wolf01> Before win 8 I had a lot of keys with 3 or 4 symbols
22:00:26  <Wolf01> But keyboards layouts aren't supported anymore
22:01:11  <frosch123> 11 keys here have 3 symbols by default, and linux secretly adds some to about every key
22:01:14  <frosch123> also caps lock is compose
22:01:38  <andythenorth> also bed
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22:01:53  <Wolf01> That was quick
22:02:32  <frosch123> wtf. why does french layout have a key with only ² on it?
22:02:51  <Wolf01> Ahaha
22:03:40  <frosch123> it also has ³
22:03:45  <glx> don't ask, french layout is weird, it's even impossible to write proper french with it
22:03:48  <frosch123> those are third symbols on my keyboard
22:04:12  <frosch123> but no the french layout that key is among scroll lock usability
22:04:16  <Wolf01> We have ç, which is not even used in italian
22:04:41  <Wolf01> I would also trade that key for `
22:04:59  <glx> I have œ because I use a non default driver
22:05:45  <Wolf01> BTW, I have 56 spare keys on my keyboard, I could make use of them
22:06:05  <glx> and I can type have accents on caps too, thanks to this driver
22:06:07  <glx> É
22:06:20  <frosch123> haha, i see some inch-using countries with ¼, ½ and ¾ keys
22:07:53  <frosch123> otherwise the canadian french one looks decent
22:08:13  <glx> somehow shift+altgr combo doesn't work in kvirc
22:08:45  <glx> international qwerty is the most complete I think
22:08:55  <glx> but it's qwerty ;)
22:09:24  <frosch123> haha it has § on the S key
22:10:12  <Wolf01> If there is something that I really hate about keyboards are the ones with the horizontal enter key
22:10:13  <nielsm> § is customarily used in danish law material
22:10:26  <frosch123> isn't it used in all law material?
22:10:32  <Wolf01> Yes, it is
22:10:37  <nielsm> maybe, I don't read much not in my native language
22:10:41  <Wolf01> Even here
22:10:43  <glx> it's used in many language as paragraph
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22:13:14  <frosch123> hmm, i thought þ and ¶ were the same thing in lower/upper case
22:13:19  <frosch123> but apparently not
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22:20:57  <Eddi|zuHause> i definitely once knew about Þ and þ being different characters
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22:23:28  <Wolf01> I think I'll > bed too
22:23:32  <Wolf01> 'night
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