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Just a lot. 07:07:45 *** WWacko1976-work has joined #openttd 07:09:37 <peter1138> TrueBrain, I'm using a locally hosted gitea (private business git repo) with jenkins, and this page is my issue: https://wiki.jenkins.io/display/JENKINS/Gitea+Plugin 07:10:07 <peter1138> TrueBrain, I really love the documentation link on there as well. 07:11:12 <andythenorth> pikka VCS :( 07:11:43 <peter1138> DVCS! 07:26:55 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 07:40:22 *** Arveen3 has quit IRC 07:55:25 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 08:03:26 *** WWacko1976-work has quit IRC 08:40:52 *** Thedarkb1-X40 has joined #openttd 08:40:52 *** Thedarkb-X40 has quit IRC 08:41:34 *** Supercheese has quit IRC 09:13:27 <andythenorth> yay 09:13:32 <andythenorth> 18 vehicles complete 09:13:39 <andythenorth> just 174 left to go 09:14:11 <Pikka> o/ 09:14:39 <andythenorth> Pikka: I copied your approach to box cars http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8956/doors_of_perception.png 09:14:41 <andythenorth> no cargo 09:15:58 <Pikka> yarr 09:16:22 <andythenorth> hmm 09:16:32 <andythenorth> maybe it's time to figure out a style for narrow gauge 09:16:45 <andythenorth> height, width 09:16:48 <andythenorth> chassis colours 09:19:15 <Eddi|zuHause> that's tricky, because some narrow gauge railways had very small cars, and other times, it carried regular cars on new wheels 09:19:44 <andythenorth> as long as it looks 'smaller' it's ok 09:23:34 <Pikka> when does narrow gauge meet freight trams coming the other way? 09:24:25 <andythenorth> yes 09:24:41 <andythenorth> then NRT adds industrial tiny trains (like small ones in HEQS) 09:25:25 <andythenorth> brit Horse narrow gauge is pretty sparse 09:25:35 <andythenorth> it was more interesting in the africa roster I had 09:25:51 <andythenorth> capacity-per-unit-length is lower, so very very long trains 09:25:57 <andythenorth> makes a different play style 09:26:20 <andythenorth> (narrow gauge was main type in africa roster) 09:26:35 <Pikka> yar 09:26:42 <Pikka> very QLD also 09:27:07 <andythenorth> I might pineapple 09:27:09 <andythenorth> one day 09:27:31 <andythenorth> I was going to australia economy, but I'm not sure it's a good gameplay choice 09:30:30 <Eddi|zuHause> well, what i was trying to say: carrying regular wagons would make it technically a tiny bit larger, due to the extra wheels 09:32:02 *** ToffeeYogurtPots has joined #openttd 09:33:05 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: that would go better if we allowed loading vehicles in vehicles 09:33:11 <andythenorth> peter1138 has a patch for that ;) 09:33:28 <Eddi|zuHause> why wouldn't he 09:42:32 *** Thedarkb1-X40 has quit IRC 09:43:03 *** Thedarkb-X40 has joined #openttd 09:47:29 <peter1138> Probably, What? 09:47:34 <peter1138> No I don't. 09:47:39 <LordAro> lies 09:47:39 <peter1138> I never got as far as that. 09:48:36 <peter1138> I think I'd like to revamp multiple docks again. 09:49:05 <peter1138> Seems that was actually on my dead drive ;( 09:49:39 <LordAro> take a look at whichever patchpack implements it? 09:49:49 <peter1138> I did that once, I didn't like it :p 09:50:15 <LordAro> heh 09:50:46 <peter1138> Damn it, my scales didn't upload this morning :( 09:51:01 <peter1138> And it was 1lb down. 09:54:04 <andythenorth> I haven't tried the multi-docks patch 09:56:24 <andythenorth> not sure which patch is most current https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1203055#p1203055 09:59:56 <peter1138> Yeah... these random patches in random threads... 10:00:10 <peter1138> This is why the move to github is good. 10:00:43 <andythenorth> +1 10:01:33 <andythenorth> multi docks, flat docks, one tile docks, newgrf docks :P 10:01:38 <andythenorth> docktypes 10:01:55 <peter1138> I hadn't logged into tt-forums for so longer that I hadn't twigged my username had been changed back. 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15:17:36 <andythenorth> @calc 57 / (166 + 26) 15:17:36 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 0.296875 15:19:22 *** TheMask96 has quit IRC 15:20:57 *** TheMask96 has joined #openttd 15:22:25 <supermop_work> Pikka: the two legged train networks feel a bit odd to me 15:23:07 <supermop_work> if only the drop off terminal is shared, does it need to be a signalled network, instead of just two lines of single engine in steam? 15:23:46 <supermop_work> i get that holding an ai to the standard or 'does it make pretty rails' is tough 15:24:06 <Pikka> I thought it was kind of neat. plus they get to share the depot. And the PBS blocking means they squish far fewer RVs. ;) 15:24:36 <Pikka> but sure, once you realise that the AI always builds exactly the same thing... it's a bit of a one-trick pony. :P 15:24:45 <andythenorth> a two-leg pony 15:25:05 * andythenorth tempted to AI 15:25:06 <andythenorth> but no 15:26:28 <supermop_work> i just mean that for a few of them, the track runs close to parallel for the last 20-ish tiles 15:27:07 <supermop_work> and an earlier junction might make for easier squeezing the tracks among other stuff 15:27:35 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 15:27:46 <Pikka> it would, but it be a lot of work, and need reconfiguring a lot of what it currently does 15:27:48 *** Flygon has quit IRC 15:29:40 <Pikka> with a more complex track network it would be harder to avoid jams, and harder to cleam up partially abandoned tracks 15:29:49 *** LANJesus has quit IRC 15:29:52 <Pikka> cleam? 15:30:07 <supermop_work> yeah 15:30:31 <supermop_work> now i am interested in making an ai 15:30:37 <Pikka> it's fun 15:30:48 <Pikka> you should 15:30:50 <supermop_work> nfc where to start 15:30:53 *** LANJesus has joined #openttd 15:33:42 <Pikka> https://wiki.openttd.org/AI:Main_Page <- there, roughly 15:40:39 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 15:53:15 <supermop_work> also last night noticed a supply depot with the north corner of the road loop touching the inter-town road network, 15:53:54 <supermop_work> it was full-loading trucks for 3 towns there but the ones loading had no cargo being allocated 15:54:36 <supermop_work> the tailback then stretched onto the road all the way into the next city, blocking other buses and trucks 16:01:16 *** Gja has joined #openttd 16:02:52 *** LANJesus has quit IRC 16:05:13 *** LANJesus has joined #openttd 16:10:21 *** Cubey has joined #openttd 16:21:48 <peter1138> Moo. 16:23:49 <LANJesus> oom 16:29:25 *** tycoondemon has quit IRC 16:35:12 *** tycoondemon has joined #openttd 16:45:37 <Pikka> boom 16:45:40 *** Pikka has quit IRC 16:47:32 *** TrueBrain has joined #openttd 16:49:03 <TrueBrain> nice patch LordAro :D Happy the CI is now reporting less stuff :) 16:54:25 <LordAro> :) 16:58:39 <LordAro> there's still a couple of warnings with newer compilers, but not with these versions it would seem :) 16:59:25 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 16:59:39 <Wolf01> o/ 16:59:44 <Alberth> o/ 17:00:10 <Wolf01> Holy steam, why do you do this to me? 17:00:22 <Alberth> it's holy? 17:00:27 <Wolf01> Yes 17:00:46 <Wolf01> Ok, that now the money pump started to work again, but heh 17:01:23 *** Progman has joined #openttd 17:01:57 <Wolf01> But I have some lego to purchase... *wallet ducks* 17:03:21 <Alberth> I got a complaint from your cabinet, it doesn't like all these boxes 17:04:00 <Wolf01> Then you got a complaint from my bedroom, my cabinet holds food, papers and brooms :P 17:04:32 <Alberth> hmm, wrong note then :p 17:23:02 *** IgnoredAmbience has left #openttd 17:23:42 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 17:27:53 *** Gja has joined #openttd 17:28:26 *** Stimrol has quit IRC 17:30:34 *** Stimrol has joined #openttd 17:38:07 <supermop_work> Wolf01: at the lego store yesterday they had a little set of a minifig with a shelf of tiny mini fig scale mini figs 17:38:25 <Wolf01> Got it :P 17:38:30 <supermop_work> well bigger than that, but about 7mm tall 17:40:33 <Wolf01> https://brickset.com/sets/5005358-1/Minifigure-Factory you mean this? 17:56:40 <peter1138> Oh nice. 17:59:18 <TrueBrain> wow, fast reviews @ OpenTTD ... patches being approved before the CI finishes :o 18:00:19 <frosch123> i need to adjust the commit hooks 18:00:23 <frosch123> it rejects my stuff :p 18:00:28 <TrueBrain> :D 18:00:50 <frosch123> apparently the '#' comments in the commit message are also checked and considered invalid 18:01:15 <frosch123> also findversion.sh and Makefile contain some tabs to separate fields 18:01:28 <frosch123> i now replaced them with \t, but i am not sure how much of that is bashism 18:02:36 <peter1138> I got my Jenkinsfile stuff going. 18:03:13 <andythenorth> do I need to write any kind of announcements then? 18:03:18 <andythenorth> this is as far as I got https://paste.openttdcoop.org/ppau02xuo 18:03:21 <peter1138> No, it's too late now ;p 18:03:26 <andythenorth> forums seem to have covered it 18:03:43 <peter1138> But yeah, might as well. 18:05:01 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: seems worth it! 18:05:17 <TrueBrain> I left you a comment on it yesterday 18:05:23 <andythenorth> I saw :) 18:06:39 <TrueBrain> and I would prioritize the benefit of GitHub over things like infrastructure and maintaince of it 18:07:00 <TrueBrain> just gives silly discussions like: I HAVE NO PROBLEM MAINTAINING IT BECAUSE I CAN ALSO MAINTAIN MY 2 VISITS IN A MONTH WEBSITE JUST FINE 18:07:03 <TrueBrain> you know the type :) 18:07:22 <Rubidium> yup... it's me! 18:07:43 <TrueBrain> yes, it was Rubidium I was refering to. He has absolutely no clue what so ever :P 18:08:02 <Rubidium> although my server has at least 6 unique visitors a month 18:08:55 <andythenorth> I had a server once 18:08:59 <andythenorth> actually I didn't 18:09:02 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 18:09:19 <TrueBrain> and we reach 20k unique visitors ... and 0.5 milion hits a month .. but that is excluding ingame content :P 18:09:51 <TrueBrain> ingame content pushes as much requests per WEEK as de rest does per MONTH 18:09:52 <TrueBrain> :D 18:10:50 <andythenorth> ok, infra is trying to sell a negative, github is trying to sell a positive 18:11:06 <andythenorth> I just don't want fifty million patch review requests, and then whining :) 18:11:19 <andythenorth> this is *not* the reason daylength isn't in trunk 18:11:30 <TrueBrain> :D 18:11:45 <andythenorth> daylength is not in trunk because daylength is utterly flawed concept 18:12:07 <andythenorth> I still get the bullshit FIRS support posts that turn out to be daylength related 18:12:42 <TrueBrain> frosch123: why not a 'git describe', instead of almost git-describe, without the 'commits since last tag'? :) 18:12:55 <TrueBrain> so <commitdate>-`git describe`? 18:13:37 <TrueBrain> owh, and we have no tag in master it seems :D 18:13:42 <TrueBrain> (tags are in the release branches :) 18:14:14 <peter1138> TrueBrain, I was trying to counteract the "Github is a single point of failure" point. I guess I didn't :p 18:14:47 <frosch123> TrueBrain: what is use use of git describe? i can make use of a date and of a (short) hash 18:14:49 <andythenorth> dvcs innit 18:14:56 <peter1138> And now I'm buggering off up to the woods on my bicycle 18:15:08 <TrueBrain> frosch123: more like others? But I was mainly asking if you were aware you were very close to git describe there :) 18:15:36 <supermop_work> Wolf01: yes 18:17:04 <frosch123> OpenTTD-Deprecated-New-17-g8e4d9f199f <- 17 revisions after new repo :p 18:17:44 <frosch123> (OpenTTD-Deprecated-New is my tag on new revision matching the last old revision) 18:17:58 <LANJesus> why the hell did you guys do this to the old repo again? 18:18:23 <frosch123> LANJesus: check the log from 3 week ago 18:18:39 <LANJesus> to quote my three year old "i can't!" 18:18:50 <LANJesus> was i here three weeks ago? 18:18:55 <LANJesus> also i don't log. 18:19:03 <TrueBrain> frosch123: owh, I see now, the tag is not there if it isn't on the release branch .. gotcha 18:19:20 <TrueBrain> its the branch .. not the tag :D 18:19:23 <TrueBrain> *learns to read* 18:20:06 <TrueBrain> I wonder how this will go with the first release, but we will find that out when it gets there :D 18:21:31 <frosch123> luckily we do not have a fixed date next time :p 18:22:17 <Alberth> LANJesus: @logs 18:22:21 <Alberth> @logs 18:22:21 <DorpsGek> Alberth: https://webster.openttdcoop.org/index.php?channel=openttd 18:23:52 <frosch123> TrueBrain: it's nice that dorpsgek fills in while translators are not committing :) 18:24:29 <TrueBrain> sorry about the single reviews ... I keep thinking: I wont have any more comments 18:24:31 <TrueBrain> I shouldnt do that :P 18:24:51 <TrueBrain> frosch123: from a git perspective, it is very weird that a single commit contains 2 commits 18:25:00 <TrueBrain> especially as the second line in a commit message won't ever really be shown 18:25:22 <TrueBrain> so I would expect it like: remove REVISION from newgrf in 1 commit, then the next commit the rest of your stuff 18:27:13 <LANJesus> ah neat 18:32:11 <TrueBrain> new goal of the year: learn NML 18:32:41 <debdog> Never Mind Language? 18:32:49 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: like it you will not 18:34:17 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 18:34:19 <TrueBrain> I also wonder how difficult it is to change the configure system by cmake 18:34:54 <LordAro> TrueBrain: funny, i was wondering about autoconf earlier :p 18:35:04 <TrueBrain> go wash your mouth 18:35:07 <TrueBrain> wtf is wrong with you 18:35:08 <LordAro> :p 18:35:20 <LordAro> cmake is nice, but its generated makefiles depend on cmake 18:35:20 <TrueBrain> hmm .. I compile something via the Linux Subsystem on Windows 18:35:25 <TrueBrain> with the mingw64 18:35:34 <TrueBrain> but .. seems it doesnt provide a valid binary :D 18:36:48 <LANJesus> why auto import from svn? was there metadata that was needed which wasn't available in the tracking repo? 18:37:37 <LordAro> ^ i know it's been said in bits before, but it'd be good to have it in a single place 18:38:33 <LANJesus> TrueBrain: i ran the linux binary in WSL to workaround the mouse bug.. i did not have a good time : ( 18:38:35 * andythenorth considers pasting a 10MB example NML file for TB 18:38:39 <Wolf01> I would like to change dns, anyone tried 1.1.1.1? 18:38:42 <andythenorth> but I think pastebin would crash 18:38:52 <LANJesus> Wolf01: isn't that in asia? 18:38:58 <LANJesus> or is it multihomed? 18:39:14 <LANJesus> oh multihomed it is 18:39:20 <Wolf01> It's cloudflare 18:39:34 <TrueBrain> its an AnyCast IP 18:39:46 <LANJesus> yup yup. all good 18:39:52 <LANJesus> there's also 1.0.0.1 right? 18:40:18 <LANJesus> seems so. 18:40:23 <LANJesus> same rDNS : D 18:41:01 <TrueBrain> okay, kinda surprised that you cannot start Windows binaries from the subsystem .. but I guess it makes sense 18:42:41 <TrueBrain> zlib: not found 18:42:45 <TrueBrain> missing header: zlib.h 18:42:47 <TrueBrain> .. wuth?! 18:43:13 <TrueBrain> guess it is not common that people try to compile without :) 18:43:16 <Wolf01> You can't use wine on wsl? 18:43:26 <TrueBrain> inception inside inception :D 18:43:29 <Wolf01> :D 18:44:34 <Wolf01> I installed vcxsrv so I can run UI programs too, specially OTTD :P 18:44:34 <TrueBrain> cool, I can run a dedicated server in WSL :) 18:45:07 <Wolf01> I tried to play in text mode, but nah... I miss buttons everytime 18:45:31 <LANJesus> TrueBrain: you need to put .exe on the end 18:48:28 <TrueBrain> hmm, I forgot OpenTTD still confuses host/build/target 18:48:41 <TrueBrain> always has been a bitch to get cross-compiling anywhere near sane 18:49:39 <TrueBrain> what is up with zlib ... I explicitly say: --without-zlib 18:49:44 <TrueBrain> owh, png 18:49:45 <TrueBrain> lol 18:49:47 <TrueBrain> stupid png 18:53:38 <TrueBrain> they claim running .exe files should work in WSL ......... so much claiming :D 18:54:37 *** synchris has quit IRC 18:54:59 <Wolf01> Ehm.. they do 18:55:09 <TrueBrain> yeah ... one thing they failed to mention in their blog .. 18:55:09 <Wolf01> ./program.exe runs fine 18:55:14 <TrueBrain> it has to be on a mount that is reachable 18:55:19 <TrueBrain> so not in the home folder of the WSL 18:55:21 <TrueBrain> but in /mnt/c 18:55:30 <Wolf01> Oh 18:55:59 <Wolf01> I put links to everywhere to avoid cd to long paths 18:56:14 <Wolf01> So I don't really care :D 18:56:23 <TrueBrain> I really dislike the permissions on the windows NTFS 18:56:29 <TrueBrain> but symlinking .. does that work? :D 18:56:41 <LANJesus> ehhhh 18:56:58 <TrueBrain> awh, same error .. BOOOEEEEE 18:57:02 <Wolf01> "drwxrwxrwx 0 root root" 18:57:05 <LANJesus> don't try to interact with lxss/wsl paths from win32 18:57:16 <LANJesus> you WILL have a bad time 18:57:35 <LANJesus> compile in WSL from an NTFS location 18:57:37 <Wolf01> That's why I made them FROM wsl 18:57:51 <LANJesus> eg /mnt/c/your/favorite/location/trunk 18:58:25 <LANJesus> then you can just ./openttd.exe no problem 18:58:42 <LANJesus> also realize that WSL I/O is still crap 18:58:57 <LANJesus> i'm not sure if it's better from the virtual filesystem or on NTFS 18:59:18 <TrueBrain> haha, I really confused the configuration system now :D Sweet :) 18:59:42 <TrueBrain> (linux FHS with Windows Binary :D) 19:00:01 <glx> <TrueBrain> but symlinking .. does that work? :D <-- it's called junction, and it needs an external exe to create them 19:00:15 <TrueBrain> glx: I really meant a symlink in WSL 19:00:22 <TrueBrain> and it surprisingly "just worked" 19:00:29 <TrueBrain> symlink from an NTFS volume to an ext4 volume :) 19:00:38 <TrueBrain> euh 19:00:40 <TrueBrain> not ext4 .. lxfs 19:00:42 <TrueBrain> what-ever 19:00:50 <TrueBrain> it worked :P 19:01:34 <Wolf01> ln /path/to/destination/ mydest... or the other way around, I always have to see the synopsis 19:02:05 <TrueBrain> okay .. with a bit of fiddle, it works :D 19:02:07 <TrueBrain> hihi 19:02:12 <TrueBrain> mingw64 got a long way 19:04:00 <TrueBrain> lol, even symlinked it works .. as long as it is on the /mnt/c :) Funny :) 19:06:14 <glx> hmm I think I have to review something 19:06:40 *** Gja has quit IRC 19:08:38 <LANJesus> TrueBrain: congrats 19:09:03 <LANJesus> are you comparing the gcc built to the msvc build or something? 19:09:24 <LANJesus> i can't spell, and i can't not spell consistently. whew. 19:09:39 <TrueBrain> nope; just fiddling 19:10:11 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 19:10:17 <LordAro> TrueBrain: did you think any further about emailing people with flyspray reports? 19:10:33 <TrueBrain> nobody reacted in any shape or form on it 19:10:37 <TrueBrain> guess nobody cares enough :P 19:10:45 <LordAro> consider this a positive reaction 19:10:48 <TrueBrain> I am mostly wondering how far back you go :) 19:10:49 <LordAro> at least to patches 19:10:55 <LordAro> also that 19:11:03 <TrueBrain> I mean .. 1 month? 1 year? All? 19:11:13 <LordAro> probably a year? 19:11:16 <LordAro> maybe 2 19:14:54 <TrueBrain> today I am just looking at bugs/patches, and marking stuff good-first-patches 19:16:03 <glx> pff determineversion.vbs diff is unreadable ;) 19:16:33 <LordAro> s/determineversion.// 19:17:28 <glx> no the diff is worse (see PR6702) 19:18:46 <glx> I guess I'll need to run it 19:19:13 <LordAro> mm, not great 19:19:29 <LordAro> github does have a sidebyside diff view, from memory 19:19:40 <TrueBrain> it also has it from disk 19:19:41 <TrueBrain> :P 19:19:54 <LordAro> true 19:20:02 <glx> ha yes split mode 19:20:29 <glx> but doesn't help more 19:22:11 <Rubidium> glx: doesn't it have some feature like 'ignore spaces in diff'? 19:22:41 <glx> there are many indentation changes as some if were removed 19:23:04 <Rubidium> glx: yes, but the tools I work with at work have that function 19:23:36 <frosch123> glx: https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/6702/commits/be3cfc2143aab4f2dd04604c1377d80ba118073b?w=1 19:23:44 <frosch123> "?w=1" ignores indentation changes 19:24:35 <frosch123> also no idea how to fix the commit_msg hook 19:24:46 <glx> thx 19:25:00 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 19:25:11 <frosch123> git has like 20 methods to remove stuff from the commit message after it was edited, and the hook gets it before it does that :/ 19:27:07 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 19:27:14 *** LANJesus has quit IRC 19:27:17 *** Alberth has left #openttd 19:28:50 <__ln__> everyone, here's a fine example what your pull request could look like when you submit one to TrueBrain: https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29541809_366285863849885_3232555563809191294_n.png?_nc_cat=0&oh=599d9fc929d9ba9b71afd02e43ff8a34&oe=5B3CCF47 19:30:36 <glx> I would close it immediatly too 19:31:25 <andythenorth> I would approve it :P 19:31:49 <glx> and that's why you don't have any rights ;) 19:32:19 <andythenorth> so can GS (squirrel) fetch JSON into OpenTTD from a webservice? 19:32:46 <LordAro> i hope not 19:32:49 <glx> I think we decided to not do that 19:33:00 <andythenorth> probably bet 19:33:01 <andythenorth> best * 19:33:09 <TrueBrain> something something sandbox 19:33:17 <andythenorth> mumble 19:33:21 <TrueBrain> no, Discord 19:33:30 <TrueBrain> the only way I can see that work, is if there is a whitelist of URLs :) 19:33:30 * andythenorth thinking about GS industry again 19:33:42 <andythenorth> and problem is that there is no way for GS to understand the newgrf 19:34:32 *** LANJesus has joined #openttd 19:34:32 <andythenorth> not sure how a JSON web-service solves that :P 19:34:43 <andythenorth> I got side-tracked by how we could teach GS about specific newgrfs 19:36:19 <TrueBrain> I still think about currencies :D 19:39:40 <TrueBrain> okay, NO_DEBUG_MESSAGES is weird 19:39:51 <TrueBrain> well, debug_desync_level is weird 19:39:53 <TrueBrain> either one :P 19:40:20 <glx> hmm I think my mingw setup is outdated 19:40:54 <LordAro> someone should redo the mingw tutorial for msys2 19:41:01 <LordAro> it's quite out of date at this point 19:41:39 <glx> oh or someone did weird thing in config.lib recently ;) 19:42:07 <LordAro> it shouldn't have broken anything... 19:42:21 <glx> realpath is not found 19:42:26 <LordAro> does mingw not have realpath or- oh. 19:42:28 <TrueBrain> wuth?! :D 19:42:59 <Rubidium> andythenorth: as the Germans would say: jein ;) Via the admin port you can send and receive JSON 19:43:09 <andythenorth> o_O 19:43:27 <andythenorth> it's not essential, a GS could ship with data baked in about newgrfs 19:43:35 <andythenorth> just seems a bit anti-maintenance 19:44:11 <LordAro> glx: even a lack of a no-op thing is surprising 19:44:13 <LordAro> ah well 19:44:25 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: show a use-case where it is useful to do it, and we can talk about it :) 19:44:35 <glx> and I'm just basically trying a simple clone 19:44:41 <glx> with no modification 19:45:21 <andythenorth> hmm 19:45:33 <andythenorth> yair I have nothing right now 19:45:38 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: as there might be more than one way to get where you want to go :) 19:45:47 <andythenorth> get JSON from bananas :P 19:45:57 <andythenorth> not even sure it's JSON that's needed 19:46:02 <TrueBrain> you have a goal in mind 19:46:06 <andythenorth> what was the problem again? o_O 19:46:07 <TrueBrain> that is more important than the technical solution 19:46:32 <LordAro> glx: replacing the config.lib line with compiler= should do the trick temporarily 19:46:48 <LordAro> i guess a proper fix needs an if 19:47:49 <LordAro> is there a "proper" way to mention hashes in commit messages? 19:48:22 <glx> yes just type the hash 19:48:37 <glx> github will do the link 19:48:49 <LordAro> i know the github way, but is there an openttd way? :p 19:49:23 <glx> somehow -Fix (hash): blah 19:50:41 <frosch123> LordAro: glx: https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD-git-hooks/blob/master/hooks/commit-msg#L15 19:50:51 <frosch123> "Fix hash: blah" 19:51:05 <LordAro> :) 19:51:26 <frosch123> what would have been the github way? :p 19:51:49 <glx> hey I was close 19:52:12 <TrueBrain> do we want the GitHub notifications in this channel? 19:52:23 <glx> we used to have (rXXX) and not rXXX ;) 19:52:42 <glx> no it's ok in .notice 19:52:57 <TrueBrain> I keep forgetting to join that channel 19:53:17 <TrueBrain> owh, the +n was the issue 19:53:19 <TrueBrain> nevermind 19:53:30 <andythenorth> is dorpsgek updated for commits o_O 19:54:07 <glx> hmm who removed +m in notice ? 19:54:18 <TrueBrain> it is required for the notice to work 19:54:19 <TrueBrain> so I did 19:54:45 <TrueBrain> the longer I look at this, the more likely it is we need our own bot to talk to GitHub :P 19:54:50 <TrueBrain> but that is something for a rainy day 19:54:50 <glx> let's hope the topic will be enough ;) 19:54:58 <TrueBrain> banning is cheap 19:55:48 <LordAro> TrueBrain: i'd like it in this channel, fwiw 19:56:08 <TrueBrain> make a GitHub bot :D 19:56:22 <LordAro> probably just merge to master notifications though (i've not looked at what it's doing currently) 19:56:30 <LordAro> TrueBrain: make a supybot plugin! 19:56:33 <TrueBrain> NO 19:56:53 <TrueBrain> I am making amazing patches 19:56:54 <Wolf01> Make a Bjarni bot with github support? 19:57:00 <TrueBrain> like not running Perf constantly if you dont care about the result .. 19:57:58 <frosch123> i made another PR for the hooks 19:58:23 <frosch123> though updating the server is not that important this time 19:58:29 <frosch123> it's more a client-side annoyance 20:00:22 <frosch123> LordAro: train samu to repost everything from .notice in this channel 20:00:32 <TrueBrain> it shows the 2 files annoyingly 20:01:19 <LordAro> frosch123: lol 20:01:40 <TrueBrain> frosch123: PR fine by me; minor Python knowledge-thingy, but meh :) 20:01:54 <frosch123> i'll fix it :) 20:02:42 <TrueBrain> ugh, YAPF is full with performance measurements that are never used 20:03:25 <andythenorth> are you patching to remove NPF and original pathfinder? 20:03:26 <andythenorth> o_O 20:03:34 <LordAro> haha 20:03:38 <TrueBrain> lol 20:03:38 <andythenorth> deletion spree 20:03:44 <andythenorth> also smooth economy 20:03:48 <andythenorth> and one kind of signals 20:03:59 <LordAro> andythenorth: keep or delete? :p 20:04:25 <andythenorth> delete 20:04:29 <TrueBrain> YAPF is most likely very well done, but the code is near impossible to read and understand 20:04:46 <andythenorth> it's a game not an OS, we don't have to preserve legacy APIs forever :P 20:05:36 *** Laedek has joined #openttd 20:06:05 <frosch123> TypeError: endswith first arg must be str or a tuple of str, not list 20:06:29 <frosch123> let's check the docs whether tuple is needed or whether it is something else 20:06:33 <TrueBrain> replace [] with () 20:06:35 <TrueBrain> :D 20:06:57 <TrueBrain> I never understood why it doesn't support any iterable 20:06:59 <TrueBrain> but what-ever 20:07:37 <TrueBrain> and another issue closed! 20:08:24 <andythenorth> \o/ 20:08:40 <LordAro> \o/ 20:08:53 <TrueBrain> ssllllooowwwww going 20:09:10 <andythenorth> @calc 377-199 20:09:10 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 178 20:09:14 <andythenorth> just 178 to go :) 20:09:26 <andythenorth> I have to draw about same number of trains for my grf eh 20:09:27 <TrueBrain> I dont see you helping with the number :P 20:09:43 <glx> seems I haven't tried to run configure for a long time, it can't find zlib on my system 20:09:44 <andythenorth> I have drawn 10 trains :P 20:10:02 <andythenorth> ok let's look in issues 20:10:53 <glx> but it's ok, thanks to libpng :) 20:11:00 <LordAro> TrueBrain: interestingly, one of your commits is by Truebrain, the other is some guy caled Patric Stout 20:11:09 <TrueBrain> LordAro: Squash vs Rebase 20:11:10 <andythenorth> why would boat arrival OOM? o_O https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/6691 20:11:18 <andythenorth> is this just usual OS X OOM? 20:11:23 <LordAro> TrueBrain: looks light one is truelight, the other is truebrain (@openttd.org) 20:11:30 <TrueBrain> #6425 .. do we want to keep tickets like this around? 20:11:31 <LordAro> looks like* 20:12:06 <andythenorth> meh crash reports aren't for me :P 20:12:16 <TrueBrain> tnx LordAro; I picked a really old CC 20:12:21 <TrueBrain> that was weird 20:12:27 <TrueBrain> let me force push a fix for that :D 20:13:22 <TrueBrain> I will now push everything as "Patric Stout" <truebrain@openttd.org>, just to make youhappy :) 20:13:52 <TrueBrain> back to weird tickets .. do we want to keep endless "enhancement" tickets? 20:13:54 <andythenorth> performance issues aren't getting fixed, right? https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/6677 20:13:56 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: no 20:14:20 <andythenorth> let's find and close 10 or so 20:14:36 <TrueBrain> closed #6425 with the most honest comment 20:14:53 <TrueBrain> #6677 needs looking into tbh 20:15:05 <TrueBrain> marked it as "investigation" 20:15:30 <andythenorth> FFWD doesn't work, hasn't for ages, on some platforms 20:15:36 <andythenorth> fix is to turn off full animation 20:15:41 <andythenorth> but OP can't understand what I mean 20:15:46 <andythenorth> so eh 20:15:48 <TrueBrain> so possibly we can detect FF is not really doing anything, and advise that? 20:16:03 <andythenorth> or people should use older computers 20:16:52 <andythenorth> do we want 200 feature requests? 20:17:01 <TrueBrain> some are really sane 20:17:03 <TrueBrain> and low effort 20:17:03 <andythenorth> yes 20:17:09 <andythenorth> but ones like this? https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/6628 20:17:23 <TrueBrain> I was thinking we need an "approved" label or something 20:17:24 <andythenorth> that issue is never getting closed 20:17:27 <TrueBrain> "good idea" 20:17:47 <TrueBrain> why is that never getting resolved? 20:17:54 <TrueBrain> you can combine train-stations etc 20:17:56 <andythenorth> that specific ticket will never be closed 20:17:56 <TrueBrain> why not docks? 20:18:04 <andythenorth> if someone does it, they'll just do it 20:18:09 <andythenorth> not discuss it on the ticket 20:18:22 <andythenorth> we have rule at work about closeable tickets 20:18:25 <TrueBrain> you need some issues to give people who want to make stuff ideas 20:18:29 <andythenorth> if it's not winnable, we invalidate 20:18:39 <TrueBrain> it is a clear description, it is actionable 20:18:42 <andythenorth> ok 20:18:45 <andythenorth> I'm convinced 20:18:49 <TrueBrain> you are? Shit 20:18:54 <andythenorth> can we have label that isn't enhancement? 20:19:02 <andythenorth> they're not enhancements 20:19:07 <TrueBrain> what would you call them? 20:19:16 <andythenorth> they're requests for other people to spend a shit ton of free time on stuff 20:19:25 <TrueBrain> isnt that an enhancement? :) 20:19:30 <andythenorth> enhancement is what customers get to ask for 20:19:35 <TrueBrain> I would even consider this a bug, tbh 20:19:44 <TrueBrain> maybe a bad example :D 20:19:52 <TrueBrain> can you glue bus stations together? 20:19:58 <andythenorth> I picked a deliberately bad ticket to discuss :P 20:20:24 <andythenorth> what is purpose of these tickets? 20:20:33 <andythenorth> (1) to give devs ideas to work on? 20:20:40 <andythenorth> (2) to stop users spamming endless same issue? 20:20:43 <andythenorth> I think 2 20:20:43 <LordAro> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/graphs/code-frequency i like the little spike ^^ 20:20:55 <glx> I forgot how slow it was to build with mingw 20:21:03 <glx> MSVC is so fast 20:21:18 <TrueBrain> glx: I have it the other way around 20:21:21 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: let me check one thing 20:22:07 <TrueBrain> this issue I would consider a bug; you can do it with bus stations, train stations, etc 20:22:10 <TrueBrain> and not with docks 20:22:19 <TrueBrain> I have a hard time wrapping my head around that 20:22:23 <glx> file access on windows are slow, I guess MSVC doesn't use fopen but directly windows API 20:22:31 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 20:22:39 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: potato / potato 20:22:47 <andythenorth> I totally want to be able to join docks 20:22:57 <andythenorth> I just don't know if it's a bug 20:23:05 <andythenorth> there's no spec that says docks should join 20:23:09 <TrueBrain> ack 20:23:10 <andythenorth> [there's no spec] 20:23:19 <TrueBrain> okay, how I see issues in GitHub, is both for bugs (duh :D) 20:23:23 <andythenorth> I am fine to leave it 20:23:26 <TrueBrain> and with small things people can pick up 20:23:32 <TrueBrain> (SMALL things) 20:23:35 <andythenorth> I just worry that leaving the big tickets leads to requests for a roadmap 20:23:36 <TrueBrain> big ideas have no place there 20:23:42 <andythenorth> I fucking hate roadmaps 20:23:46 <TrueBrain> what I do a lot with other projects, to just see if I can do something 20:24:01 <TrueBrain> I fully agree that big tickets should not be in the issue tracker 20:24:09 <andythenorth> I should make an app for ideas :P 20:24:17 <LordAro> andythenorth: ah, but GH has roadmaps! 20:24:17 <TrueBrain> I also think that tickets we leave, should be accepted as: if someone makes a patch, we accept it 20:24:22 <LordAro> or something trello-like, anyway 20:24:25 <LordAro> and milestones 20:24:26 <TrueBrain> no takie-backs on: no, we dont want this after all 20:24:40 <LordAro> someone should create a 1.9 milestone ;) 20:24:47 <LordAro> and a 1.8 milestone, tbh 20:24:50 <andythenorth> oh I did make an app for ideas :P https://iomgov.dialogue-app.com/the-islands-roads-your-safety-your-ideas 20:24:57 <TrueBrain> so, are 2 docks for 1 station sane? :) 20:25:26 <andythenorth> totally 20:25:27 <TrueBrain> and what label to assign it if we accept we like it, so we know which we still dont know :P 20:25:45 <andythenorth> https://github.com/andythenorth/NotWater/issues/1 20:25:49 <TrueBrain> how about this 20:25:50 <andythenorth> 'idea'? 20:25:56 <TrueBrain> I renamed the current label to "enhancement-under-review" 20:26:16 <andythenorth> 'idea' saves space :D 20:26:16 <LordAro> bit long 20:26:21 <TrueBrain> so it is clear we still need action n that 20:26:22 <TrueBrain> from our side 20:26:52 <andythenorth> 'idea', 'idea-rejected' 20:27:10 <TrueBrain> and idea-under-review? 20:27:15 <andythenorth> nah just idea 20:27:19 <andythenorth> simples 20:27:32 <TrueBrain> I would really like to know if it is an idea that has been talked about honestly 20:27:36 <andythenorth> it's valid until we kill it 20:27:42 <TrueBrain> okay okay 20:27:48 <TrueBrain> well, GitHub always calls these 'enhancements' 20:27:49 <andythenorth> we can learn as we go 20:27:51 <TrueBrain> maybe we should keep that 20:27:58 <andythenorth> ok I fight that another day 20:28:04 <andythenorth> let's achieve some closing 20:28:06 <TrueBrain> I like doing things like others did :D 20:28:52 <andythenorth> do we package for Ubuntu? https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/6519 20:28:53 <TrueBrain> I would like to keep the "enhancement under review" for the FlySpray imported ones :D 20:29:04 <TrueBrain> backlogs are annoying :P 20:29:10 <LordAro> enhancement-idea ? 20:29:15 <andythenorth> I hate backlogs 20:29:18 <TrueBrain> ICU ticket :) 20:29:54 <andythenorth> is it literally just a version pin change or something? 20:29:55 <TrueBrain> LordAro: another day :) 20:30:06 <TrueBrain> there are also API changes 20:30:11 <TrueBrain> not sure if they break from 52 to 55 20:30:26 <glx> ok make -j3 was a bad idea 20:30:53 <TrueBrain> owh, OpenTTD doesn't produce Xenial binaries 20:30:56 <TrueBrain> that is a bit of a shame 20:30:58 <LordAro> TrueBrain: hence all the pango stuff 20:30:58 <TrueBrain> as we can do that 20:31:25 <andythenorth> can we close this? I tested the patch and it goes boom https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/6375 20:32:15 <TrueBrain> ugh @ patch; newline or whitespace issues 20:32:19 <TrueBrain> I miss a "why" 20:32:26 <andythenorth> close 20:32:39 <andythenorth> I had a bonfire of old patches in 2017 20:32:42 <andythenorth> now we should have another one 20:32:49 <andythenorth> they're not happening, mostly 20:33:23 <TrueBrain> its a bit silly you cannot remap space; but .. yeah 20:33:28 <frosch123> https://wiki.openttd.org/?title=Commit_style#Commit_message https://wiki.openttd.org/?title=Commit_style#Install_the_client-side_git_commit_hooks <- updated docs 20:33:40 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: you keep talking, I do the bookkeeping? :) 20:33:43 <TrueBrain> frosch123: nice :D 20:34:11 <andythenorth> I book-keeped 500 last year :D 20:34:18 <TrueBrain> that is why I suggest I do it :) 20:34:19 <TrueBrain> next! 20:34:33 <andythenorth> 3298 had a nice patch https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/6053 20:34:40 <andythenorth> bbut it might bbe a horrible implementation 20:35:16 <andythenorth> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/6173 < SDL 2 request 20:35:44 <TrueBrain> I am still reading 6053 :D 20:36:18 <TrueBrain> ack on 6053 20:36:34 <TrueBrain> supporting SDL2 is really needed tbh 20:36:38 <andythenorth> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/6004 <- we can probably close, I checked with George 20:37:05 * LordAro wonders whether "icu" should be a milestone, rather than an issue label 20:37:25 <andythenorth> maybe 20:37:29 <TrueBrain> LordAro: only if you actively work on it :) 20:37:36 <TrueBrain> and it is more a Project, tb 20:37:38 <TrueBrain> h 20:37:39 <andythenorth> it all gets a bit project-managed eh 20:37:41 <frosch123> "you have received 14 new messages" :p 20:37:46 <andythenorth> it's not work work 20:37:59 <TrueBrain> so close 6004? (too much blabla for me) 20:38:03 <andythenorth> close 20:38:07 <LordAro> TrueBrain: careful now, i might actually do it 20:38:08 <andythenorth> this one is total pony request https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/5689 20:38:23 <TrueBrain> LordAro: so you keep saying ...... ;) 20:38:56 <andythenorth> http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/160/872/images.jpeg 20:39:07 <TrueBrain> closed 5689 20:39:26 <TrueBrain> that is a typical: too large to keep around 20:40:06 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: 6686 .. why cant you build signals (dragging) from a crossing? 20:40:08 <TrueBrain> sounds really weird? 20:40:18 <andythenorth> can't have signals on a crossing eh 20:40:23 <TrueBrain> but if you dragggggggg 20:40:33 <andythenorth> same as bridge 20:40:34 <andythenorth> tunnel 20:40:38 <andythenorth> station 20:40:42 <andythenorth> depot 20:40:47 <andythenorth> not a valid starting tile for signals 20:40:51 <TrueBrain> ack; better message it is 20:41:04 <andythenorth> signals are already more awesome than they need to be :P 20:41:10 <andythenorth> no more enhancements 20:41:45 <andythenorth> I think this is vague and not going to get solved https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/5664 20:42:59 <TrueBrain> closed 20:43:09 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest2885 20:43:10 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 20:43:16 <TrueBrain> I am very good at: not part of roadmap, byebye 20:43:32 <andythenorth> this is just not needed https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/5573 20:44:23 <supermop_work> i've had that problem 20:44:23 <andythenorth> this can be closed https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/5551 20:44:39 <andythenorth> find vehicles, mass-sell 20:45:44 <andythenorth> not happening https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/5437 20:45:55 <TrueBrain> closed #5573; seems a lot of UI stuff for a very limited usecase 20:46:15 <andythenorth> did we get 10 yet? 20:46:59 <andythenorth> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/5244 < I have this issue often, but it's TMWFTLB 20:47:06 <TrueBrain> 5551, closed 20:48:21 <TrueBrain> closed #5437 20:48:35 *** Guest2885 has quit IRC 20:49:11 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: perfect ticket (5244) for a newcommer 20:50:18 <TrueBrain> 369 :) 20:52:43 <andythenorth> ok /me looks for more 20:53:17 <andythenorth> 'no' https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/5982 20:53:28 <andythenorth> there is enough spec to make fun newgrfs 20:53:59 <TrueBrain> but it is funny :D 20:54:00 *** Wacko1976_ has joined #openttd 20:54:01 <TrueBrain> just way too big 20:55:27 <TrueBrain> LordAro: I made a project for Pango :P 20:55:35 <TrueBrain> put 5 tickets in there which hopefully are solved by moving to Pango 20:55:39 <TrueBrain> I would love to know if that is not the case 20:55:40 <andythenorth> just no https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/5588 20:55:51 <TrueBrain> (you can move it to "to be fixed" if you thing it is solved by Pango too :) 20:55:53 <andythenorth> ^ there are loads of tickets about using subtype refits as 'livery' 20:55:54 <LordAro> TrueBrain: :i 20:55:59 <andythenorth> as though livery is a supported thing 20:56:24 <TrueBrain> I know nothing about NewGRF, so I cannot say anything sane about this 20:56:56 <andythenorth> you could learn :D 20:56:59 <andythenorth> but ok 20:57:08 <TrueBrain> I want too 20:57:14 <TrueBrain> but .. that is not happening in the next minute :D 20:58:34 *** Wacko1976 has quit IRC 20:58:53 <andythenorth> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/4637 20:58:57 <andythenorth> multi-screen again 20:59:34 <TrueBrain> accepted #6651 in the meantime 21:00:18 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: closed #4637 21:00:21 <TrueBrain> useless to keep these requests around 21:00:24 <TrueBrain> would be lovely to have it 21:00:26 <andythenorth> 367 21:00:28 <TrueBrain> but ... as do many things :) 21:01:03 <andythenorth> per 20 requests, pick 1 21:01:09 <andythenorth> and it has a 10% chance of being shipped 21:01:13 <andythenorth> those are the ratios I think 21:01:26 <TrueBrain> its why you have roadmaps normally 21:01:32 <TrueBrain> and wish-lists with upvoting 21:01:39 <TrueBrain> I like upvoting systems 21:01:46 <TrueBrain> but it has to be done proper 21:01:51 <TrueBrain> but okay, GIVE ME ANOTHER TICKET :) 21:01:52 <andythenorth> it's only good when you pay developers 21:02:00 <andythenorth> no BOSS, no outcome from upvotes 21:02:01 *** gelignite has quit IRC 21:02:04 <andythenorth> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/4065 21:02:14 <andythenorth> ^ 'no' 21:02:43 <andythenorth> maybe accept this one? https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/3799 21:02:44 *** sim-al2 has joined #openttd 21:04:01 <andythenorth> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/3164#issuecomment-379437796 21:04:44 <TrueBrain> sorry, still at 3799 21:05:11 <TrueBrain> the first suggestion frosch123 says only works indeed if you also show it to the human (no cheating by the AI!) 21:06:02 <LordAro> Yexo :'( 21:06:36 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 21:06:42 <andythenorth> this is total no https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/3977 21:06:43 <__ln__> was it worth the trouble importing old tickets if everything can be closed? 21:06:55 <andythenorth> yes 21:06:59 <TrueBrain> I am at 3164 now andythenorth :D 21:07:11 <TrueBrain> owh, LordAro just has to attach his patch 21:07:14 <TrueBrain> about time .. 10 years almost 21:07:16 <TrueBrain> pfft 21:07:19 <andythenorth> ^ 3977 is batshit 21:07:21 <LordAro> __ln__: all the closed tickets were imported as well 21:07:25 <andythenorth> just learn the fricking game 21:07:29 <andythenorth> no history, it's not a browser 21:07:34 <LordAro> TrueBrain: uwot 21:08:31 <TrueBrain> LordAro: andythenorth said just that 21:08:33 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: closed 3977 21:08:43 <andythenorth> 365 21:08:48 <TrueBrain> missing a number 21:08:52 <TrueBrain> :P 21:09:02 <TrueBrain> 15 tickets in total down 21:09:19 <TrueBrain> 167 enhancements to evaluate :) 21:09:33 <andythenorth> it's nice but https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/4115 21:09:37 <andythenorth> it's not a big deal 21:09:46 <andythenorth> and it's not been done in 8 years 21:09:59 <TrueBrain> accepted it :) 21:10:04 <TrueBrain> these kind of things ... are so small 21:10:09 <TrueBrain> lovely to start learning the code with 21:10:17 <andythenorth> k 21:10:27 <TrueBrain> it is like .. 10 lines of code :) 21:10:37 <andythenorth> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/4843 21:10:45 <TrueBrain> already 21 small things people can do :) 21:11:11 <andythenorth> this is not stupid, just not needed https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/4725 21:11:17 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 21:11:23 <andythenorth> I had an idea for UI-is-content 21:11:29 <andythenorth> quite a lot of UI requests 21:11:31 <LordAro> oh, that issue 21:11:35 <LordAro> um 21:11:36 <andythenorth> just make it all scriptable 21:11:41 <LordAro> think i've still got the branch somewhere.. 21:11:55 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 21:12:19 <andythenorth> shitloads of newgrf ponies 21:12:37 <Wolf01> Oh, TB has top down <3 avatar on github :D 21:12:49 <andythenorth> where is pikka :) https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/5471 21:13:23 <andythenorth> stuffs https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/5326 21:13:28 <andythenorth> ^ might be outdated now? 21:13:29 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: still at 4725 21:13:36 <andythenorth> paddle faster ;D 21:13:37 <TrueBrain> I like the idea of being more flexible in your loan 21:13:43 <TrueBrain> but .. via console is bullshit 21:13:47 <TrueBrain> and the UI suggestion is bad 21:13:57 <TrueBrain> lets put a pin in thatone 21:14:56 <TrueBrain> 5471, no clue; not enough info 21:16:01 <andythenorth> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/5078 21:16:37 <TrueBrain> accepted 5326; patch and everything .. I mean .. 21:17:38 <TrueBrain> 5078 is nice to have, and should be simple .. patch is nearly there 21:17:40 <andythenorth> can't find more to invalidate 21:17:45 <TrueBrain> wuth? 21:17:58 <TrueBrain> *jumps to last page* 21:18:11 <andythenorth> it's all valid issues or newgrf ponies 21:18:15 <TrueBrain> #1003, going to close it 21:19:15 <TrueBrain> so difficult .. the ideas are good, but ... 21:19:35 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: #1423 .. useful? 21:19:54 <Wolf01> 'night 21:19:59 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 21:20:00 <andythenorth> I would just draw my industry differently 21:20:06 <andythenorth> but I am not george 21:20:19 <__ln__> i think six years ago frosch has closed 5209 without consulting an expert 21:20:32 <andythenorth> 1423 hasn't been done in 11 years 21:20:35 <andythenorth> not happening 21:21:11 <TrueBrain> he commented on it 10 years later 21:21:13 <andythenorth> __ln__: what was the expert's name? o_O 21:21:16 <TrueBrain> seems he still cares 21:21:25 <andythenorth> I asked him what I could close 21:21:27 <andythenorth> he gave a list 21:21:33 <andythenorth> 5209 was not on it :P 21:21:39 <andythenorth> oops 1423 / 5209 /s 21:21:56 <TrueBrain> it really makes me wonder how to track these nice and good ideas 21:22:06 <TrueBrain> but sure are not going to be implemented unless someone cares 21:22:15 <TrueBrain> keeping them in the issue tracker feels odd 21:22:29 <TrueBrain> can closed tickets be in a project ... 21:22:46 <andythenorth> 'ideas' 21:22:51 <andythenorth> let's see 21:23:41 <andythenorth> hmm I can't make projects 21:23:53 <TrueBrain> okay, they can go in a project 21:23:57 <__ln__> andythenorth: plenty of potential experts on this channel 21:25:26 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: you think this "Idea" project would work? 21:25:34 <andythenorth> dunno 21:25:40 <andythenorth> was looking for things I could put in it 21:25:42 <TrueBrain> I am afraid it will just be a long list 21:25:45 <andythenorth> yeah 21:25:51 <TrueBrain> okay, lets not do it 21:25:53 <andythenorth> +1 21:26:09 <andythenorth> 'newgrf pony list' would be a better project :P 21:26:16 <TrueBrain> sometimes life is hard 21:26:22 <TrueBrain> and good ideas get lost 21:26:28 <andythenorth> 25 newgrf labelled issues 21:26:56 <andythenorth> this one might just want reviewed https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/6610 21:27:52 <TrueBrain> marked it as such :) 21:29:17 <TrueBrain> found the right term for some tickets: needs triage 21:29:41 <andythenorth> yeah 21:30:02 <andythenorth> I labelled all the 'timetables' tickets 21:31:05 <TrueBrain> nice 21:32:11 <TrueBrain> #6382 .. 21:32:24 <TrueBrain> sounds really bad 21:32:29 <TrueBrain> 3 versions ago 21:33:10 <TrueBrain> meh; still needs triage 21:33:17 <TrueBrain> at least we need to check if it still happens 21:36:43 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 21:37:06 <TrueBrain> some .. take #5277 .. I love the idea (not the solution, but something similar) 21:37:11 <TrueBrain> but it is not something easy/simple/small 21:38:06 *** Stimrol has quit IRC 21:38:25 <TrueBrain> closed it .. feels sad now 21:39:30 <andythenorth> TMWFTLB https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/6339 21:39:41 <andythenorth> 362 21:40:28 <TrueBrain> 361 21:40:30 <TrueBrain> one more 21:40:33 <TrueBrain> (closed 6339) 21:40:41 <andythenorth> too much OS-specific BS https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/6253 21:40:48 <peter1138> Hmm 21:41:31 <TrueBrain> is true for any OS; and it is annoying 21:41:42 <TrueBrain> but I would consider suggesting that you can double click a savegame :) 21:42:30 <andythenorth> I like the wait cursor https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/5872 21:42:36 <andythenorth> why bother changing it? 21:42:49 <andythenorth> all this stuff :D 21:42:59 <andythenorth> but no multi-docks :P 21:43:14 <TrueBrain> accepted 6253 with a twist :) 21:43:53 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: yeah ... 5872 ... it felt like a simple patch. But it isn't .. 21:44:11 <TrueBrain> these things are really QoL 21:44:47 <supermop_work> i like the zzz 21:44:58 <TrueBrain> the feedback is good; the implementation sucks :) 21:45:17 <TrueBrain> especially if you store it on a slow medium 21:45:50 *** Progman has quit IRC 21:46:40 <TrueBrain> closed #6319 21:46:42 <TrueBrain> 360! 21:46:51 <TrueBrain> enough for today :D 21:46:55 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: this is difficult :D 21:47:03 <andythenorth> it is :) 21:47:15 <TrueBrain> I also dont like there are a lot of untriaged bugs 21:47:23 <TrueBrain> I might also do something about that .. 21:48:19 <peter1138> multi-docks eh? 21:48:25 <LordAro> someone should make an issue 21:48:29 <TrueBrain> also multi-airport tbfh 21:48:47 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 21:48:51 <peter1138> o 21:49:00 <peter1138> Whatever happened to that head-to-head game mode? 21:49:05 <TrueBrain> still there 21:49:12 <TrueBrain> still one of the coolest ways to do Multiplayer 21:49:25 <TrueBrain> but I first really want to clean up this issue list 21:49:34 <TrueBrain> as this is not helping anyone :D 21:49:54 <peter1138> Probably not. 21:50:41 <andythenorth> I couldn't clear many of the crashes 21:50:47 <andythenorth> don't understand crash logs :P 21:51:18 <TrueBrain> yeah .. they are a bitch :) 21:52:06 <TrueBrain> peter1138 even goes as far as assigning himself to bugs :D 21:53:40 <LordAro> https://www.openttd.org/en/download-head-to-head not in same place :( 21:54:36 <TrueBrain> sorry? 21:54:45 <LordAro> https://www.openttd.org/en/download-h2h ah 21:54:54 <LordAro> moved since Yexo's last link 21:55:00 <LordAro> that is a bit old 21:55:55 <peter1138> Well! 21:56:03 <peter1138> Of course, this bug doesn't occur on my machine. 21:56:14 <peter1138> And the crash.log has no backtrace because... OS X? 21:56:27 <peter1138> maybe I should go try 1.7.2 21:56:31 <TrueBrain> peter1138: the crash.log shows: out of memory 21:56:34 <TrueBrain> 32bit system 21:56:45 <peter1138> Oh. 21:56:49 <LordAro> ha. 21:56:53 <peter1138> x86-64 21:56:59 <peter1138> but 32 bits 21:57:01 <peter1138> Hmm 21:57:11 <LordAro> one might question quite why it's trying to allocate 3MB 21:57:29 <LordAro> guess it could be anything though 21:57:38 <TrueBrain> 32bpp I guess :) 21:58:08 <TrueBrain> yup 21:58:19 <LordAro> even with no newgrfs? (crashlog lists grfs, right?) 21:58:20 <TrueBrain> guess it needs a label .. all the 32bit 32bpp issues :) 21:58:53 <peter1138> Ok, so the thing that happened was pretty irrelevant. 21:59:00 <peter1138> I should not have assigned myself then :p 21:59:02 <TrueBrain> most likely :) 21:59:10 <TrueBrain> write down the above findings at least :) 21:59:46 <peter1138> Is there a 64 bit OS X build? 21:59:55 <TrueBrain> there should, as far as I am aware 22:02:02 <TrueBrain> we still need a way for people to upload crash-files .. auto-upload on crash? :D 22:02:13 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: 359! 22:02:22 <TrueBrain> (closed a crash-report without any files ...) 22:02:41 <andythenorth> :D 22:02:47 <andythenorth> 359 is a good place to stop 22:02:52 <peter1138> Should I eat or go shower and then sleep? 22:03:15 <TrueBrain> peter1138: I will see if I can email this user in question; as he wouldnt know you asked these questions :D 22:03:36 <peter1138> I did wonder about that, but I figured it was better to respond than not to. 22:03:44 <TrueBrain> yup 22:03:47 <TrueBrain> :D 22:04:25 <peter1138> "The reduced collisions (openttd-hash175.diff) don't change YAPF's performance in a significant way; YAPF is still as slow as ever." 22:04:37 <peter1138> Hmm, yeah, that doesn't convince me to apply the patch :p 22:04:40 <peter1138> #6689 22:04:44 <LordAro> i did see that 22:04:53 <LordAro> i mean, i guess less collisions is good... 22:05:01 <LordAro> but if it doesn't actually help... 22:05:05 <LordAro> needs more perf 22:05:06 <TrueBrain> although that has function really is silly ... yeah 22:05:30 <peter1138> I wonder if it helps on one of the really big games. 22:05:32 <TrueBrain> still really tempted to apply the patch 22:05:37 <peter1138> 18 ships isn't many. 22:05:46 <LordAro> i can't see it hurting 22:05:55 <TrueBrain> and he used a proper hash 22:05:57 <TrueBrain> he did his research 22:06:08 <peter1138> True. 22:06:57 <TrueBrain> not sure I believe his comments in the patch itself 22:08:22 <TrueBrain> either way, good night! 22:08:25 <TrueBrain> and tnx andythenorth :) 22:08:34 <peter1138> Hmm 22:08:38 <LordAro> peter1138: i wonder about addressing the reporter directly, when it is a flyspray issue 22:08:52 <peter1138> I think I lost my semi-fix for boat pathfinding :( 22:09:14 <peter1138> Or! I may have posted to the bug tracker. 22:09:37 <peter1138> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/6145 22:09:39 <peter1138> I did! 22:09:59 <andythenorth> ! 22:10:18 <LordAro> ! 22:10:20 <peter1138> I didn't like the randomness bit though :( 22:10:51 <peter1138> However, good idea to turn it into a fix branch 22:16:43 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i'm a tiny bit lost on thimbleweed park right now... 22:18:51 <andythenorth> @calc 36 / (156 + 36) 22:18:51 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 0.1875 22:18:53 <andythenorth> hmm 22:22:28 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 22:23:59 *** supermop_work has quit IRC 22:24:05 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 22:35:12 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 22:40:49 <peter1138> Interesting 22:41:30 <peter1138> Turns out I had at some point made a backup... 22:41:46 <Eddi|zuHause> how odd 22:44:37 <LordAro> maverick 22:45:46 *** sim-al2 has quit IRC 22:53:53 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 23:22:15 *** iSoSyS has quit IRC 23:31:21 *** Thedarkb-X40 has quit IRC 23:50:24 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 23:50:46 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 23:55:22 *** Pikka has joined #openttd