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03:13:00  <while> I like to think of openTTD as an empire
03:13:52  <while> where you're the emperor, and you are a great leader, and the people are helped by you making money, as the government (you) makes more money, the better off the people are
04:46:58  <Eddi|zuHause> while: i'm sure all dictators think that
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04:55:24  <Alberth> moin
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06:11:41  <Alberth> o/
06:16:06  <andythenorth> moin
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07:15:30  <andythenorth> so is Treasure a silly cargo? o_O
07:23:40  <Alberth> not for pirates :)
07:24:47  <Alberth> make a fantasy economy :)
07:26:31  <Alberth> a fantanomy
07:33:12  <andythenorth> I think I'd get bored :)
07:33:24  <andythenorth> cargo: Dragons, Runes, Swords, Mystical Books
07:39:54  <andythenorth> hmm
07:39:55  <andythenorth> Rotterdam-Europoort
07:52:55  <Alberth> stuff, sprinkles, magic
07:53:17  <Alberth> container-everything? :)
07:53:43  <Alberth> china-export maybe
07:54:48  <Alberth> secrets
07:55:08  <Alberth> secret-passages  is more fun :)
07:56:36  <Alberth> theater productions  transport?
07:56:53  <Alberth> movie making transport
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08:40:08  <andythenorth> they are all nice ideas
08:41:26  <andythenorth> but probably FIRS Extreme is just classic industrial goods + food production :P
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08:54:32  <andythenorth> hmm let's try hg branches again
08:54:35  <andythenorth> 3rd time lucky?
08:57:21  <andythenorth> eh if Goods was unpicked as a cargo, how might it split?
08:57:26  <andythenorth> - Furniture
08:57:31  <andythenorth> - Textiles
08:57:36  <andythenorth> - Hardware?
08:58:10  <andythenorth> - Domestic Appliances?
08:58:56  <andythenorth> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_appliance
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09:16:04  <andythenorth> bbl
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11:37:46  <andythenorth> mmm potatoes
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17:31:25  <andythenorth> o/
17:44:39  <andythenorth> so petrochemicals
17:58:44  <andythenorth> how to get Oil -> Sulfur, Fuel Oil, Ethylene?
18:01:31  <nielsm> need to allow industries to have up to 64 output cargos
18:02:51  <andythenorth> hmm
18:03:00  <andythenorth> it's one answer yes :P
18:06:50  <andythenorth> I could have some kind of intermediate petrochem cargos
18:06:57  <andythenorth> naptha or something
18:07:08  <LordAro> i think you should play factorio
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18:11:20  <andythenorth> I did
18:11:22  <andythenorth> it's not for me
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18:54:39  <andythenorth> chemistry is complex
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19:31:44  <TrueBrain> 200 lines of code later, and I finally have somewhat of a working GitHub Apps .. and they said it was "easy" .. pfft
19:32:51  <LordAro> :o
19:34:58  <TrueBrain> now I need to figure out how I want to do a database ....
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19:38:25  <andythenorth> yo TrueBrain :)
19:38:29  <andythenorth> good to see ya
19:38:36  <TrueBrain> oh-oh .. should I hide now?
19:38:39  <andythenorth> nah
19:38:41  <andythenorth> I have nothing
19:38:46  <TrueBrain> \o/ :D
19:38:50  <TrueBrain> good to see you too than :D
19:39:24  <TrueBrain> any of you feel llike making a non-empty non-valuable PR in https://github.com/TrueBrain/Testing ?
19:39:31  <TrueBrain> anything goes .. I just need a PR that is not from the owner :D
19:39:48  <andythenorth> like a readme change?
19:39:52  <andythenorth> k
19:40:01  <TrueBrain> add a readme, or what-ever :P
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19:40:09  <TrueBrain> owh, guess I should first make a master branch
19:40:40  <andythenorth> oh yeah I can't fork it
19:41:47  <TrueBrain> a perfect empty repo :D
19:45:53  <andythenorth> oops
19:46:11  <andythenorth> using microwave dead in LOS of wifi point
19:46:14  <andythenorth> fail
19:46:30  <TrueBrain> lol
19:46:34  <andythenorth> TrueBrain: created PR
19:47:55  <TrueBrain> <3
19:52:27  <TrueBrain> funny .. you get a check_suite callback when you push something to a branch, but not when a PR is opened
19:52:31  <TrueBrain> guess you can deduce that :)
19:53:13  <TrueBrain> any of you feel up reviewing some Python stuffz? ( https://github.com/TrueBrain/OpenTTD-DorpsGek/pull/2 )
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19:54:22  <__ln__> isn't it considered good practice to create an empty initial commit?
19:55:20  <TrueBrain> sometimes I read these things on IRC, for which I have no clue how to answer ... so many things come to mind ... to what is this reply? did you bother to check? or is it just randomly a question that requires an answer? or just a remark? I really have no clue. So thank you for sharing I guess?
19:55:55  <LordAro> TrueBrain: alternatively, you could have asked, what are you referring to?
19:55:57  <LordAro> :p
19:56:10  <TrueBrain> LordAro: but that is the issue .. is it a reference to anything?
19:56:14  <TrueBrain> or just a random braindump?
19:56:29  <LordAro> i think it's a misunderstanding about the empty Testing repo and your PR
19:56:39  <LordAro> __ln__: can you confirm?
19:59:22  <TrueBrain> hmmm .. I wonder how I can test this code ... (as in, unit tests)
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20:02:44  <__ln__> LordAro: i was referring to a certain OpenTTD-DorpsGek repo of a certain TrueBrain user on github.
20:03:52  <__ln__> TrueBrain: fwiw, i did bother to check, and the "OpenTTD-DorpsGek" repo has a non-empty initial commit.
20:05:00  <__ln__> TrueBrain: also, how hard can it be to figure out my comment COULD be related to a repo that was mentioned on the previous line?
20:06:09  <TrueBrain> @whoami
20:06:09  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: TrueBrain
20:06:18  <TrueBrain> @kban __ln__ as easy as writing this line, I guess
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20:06:19  *** __ln__ was kicked by DorpsGek (as easy as writing this line, I guess)
20:06:50  <LordAro> ouch.
20:07:53  <LordAro> TrueBrain: am reviewing, btw
20:07:57  <TrueBrain> \o/ whoho!
20:08:50  <LordAro> i've not actually seen aiohttp before
20:08:50  <TrueBrain> I expect 100+ comments, ranging from: this is shit, till: wtf did you do here :D
20:08:59  <TrueBrain> asyncio is AWESOME :D
20:09:07  <TrueBrain> saves a lot of brain-cycles in many places
20:09:11  <TrueBrain> lot cleaner code :)
20:09:13  <LordAro> i can ask my friend who actually knows what he's doing to review it if you like :p
20:09:22  <nielsm> I didn't know python had gotten direct support for async programming until just now
20:09:23  <TrueBrain> if you dont mind :) Would highly appreciate it!
20:09:29  <TrueBrain> 3.6+ :)
20:09:38  <TrueBrain> well, async .. coroutines is a better word :)
20:09:43  <TrueBrain> (which is implemented via sync)
20:09:51  <TrueBrain> but don't think it is multithreaded
20:09:59  <TrueBrain> it 'kinda' is, but that is not why you use it :)
20:10:07  <TrueBrain> you use it, because the webserver took 4 lines of code :P
20:10:17  <nielsm> only thing I've done with python recently is ironpython for a thing at work, which is stuck on 2.7 mode, have to use ironpython because of a DB access library that's .NET
20:10:23  <LordAro> i've only seen one thing that's actually wrong so far :p
20:11:03  <TrueBrain> shit, he found something wrong :(
20:11:54  <TrueBrain> Python 2.7 is really .. euh .. old :D
20:12:04  <TrueBrain> haha, oops, forgot about the port :D
20:12:04  <LordAro> try 2.4
20:12:11  <TrueBrain> I rather cut myself :P
20:15:40  <TrueBrain> okay, that really really is a bug :D
20:15:42  <TrueBrain> nice catch
20:17:02  <LordAro> unrelated question: how is dorpsgek pronounced?
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20:17:32  <TrueBrain> hmmm ... how good is my phonetic ...
20:18:18  <TrueBrain> https://www.fluency.nl/international.htm
20:18:32  <TrueBrain> sounds perfect, if you type it in and press Speak
20:18:39  <TrueBrain> (which surprised me)
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20:24:56  <TrueBrain> meh; tox expect setup.py
20:24:57  <TrueBrain> hmm
20:26:04  <andythenorth> oh setup.py
20:26:12  <andythenorth> why oh why oh why
20:26:18  <andythenorth> such yak-shaving
20:27:00  <TrueBrain> I guess I am going to send this project to travis, because ... why not! :D
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20:30:37  <TrueBrain> tnx a bunch LordAro :D
20:32:45  <LordAro> np :)
20:36:12  <TrueBrain> weird .. when I want to login via travis, I can avoid it giving access to OpenTTD, but not a few other organizations ..
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20:38:51  <TrueBrain> that triggered 7 emails
20:38:53  <TrueBrain> lolz
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20:44:59  <TrueBrain> Travis kicked in :D Sweet :)
20:50:11  <TrueBrain> pff, Travis doesnt have Python 3.7 yet ... IT HAS BEEN OUT FOR 10 days! :P
20:50:52  <LordAro> i'm half surprised travis has 3.6
20:51:01  <TrueBrain> lot of projects are 3.6+ ..
20:51:05  <TrueBrain> 'async' keyword got added :D
20:51:12  <TrueBrain> (which is a lot easier than a decorator)
20:51:16  <LordAro> yeah, but travis is not good at updating things
20:51:33  <TrueBrain> too bad .. well, if I have this all setup a bit, I can run these checks on our own infra
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20:51:42  <TrueBrain> for now it can help me bootstrap it :D
20:53:00  <TrueBrain> LordAro: I also most likely enable this service that updates your requirements.txt automatically every N :)
20:53:11  <TrueBrain> (means CI kicks in, checks if everything still works, etc)
20:53:14  <LordAro> aye
20:54:44  <TrueBrain> okay ... biggest hurdle so far done
20:55:06  <TrueBrain> next step is a database connection, so it can store and retrieve data
20:55:20  <TrueBrain> than I can do the CONTRIBUTING.md notice
20:55:24  <TrueBrain> s/than/then/
20:56:43  <TrueBrain> then I have to find a way that it automatically updates when pushed to master or something ..
20:58:21  <TrueBrain> https://github.com/zendesk/samson <- not bad, tbh
21:11:47  <planetmaker> o/
21:12:06  <TrueBrain> hi planetmaker :)
21:12:31  <planetmaker> eh, why was __ln__ banned? :-O
21:13:14  <planetmaker> (just reading back a bit)
21:13:25  <TrueBrain> so read a few lines up more :)
21:14:02  <planetmaker> yes, so? It doesn't trigger anything
21:14:20  <planetmaker> with me. Heck you shared roof and table already :P
21:14:39  <TrueBrain> roof and table?
21:14:56  <planetmaker> mine
21:15:10  <TrueBrain> ah :D
21:15:13  <TrueBrain> when is the next bbq?
21:15:25  <TrueBrain> we skipped a few years :P
21:15:33  <planetmaker> we did indeed
21:15:43  <TrueBrain> (or I was not invited .. I cannot rule that out :P)
21:15:53  <planetmaker> I know of none
21:16:43  <TrueBrain> :D
21:16:50  <TrueBrain> so that settles it, there were none
21:17:07  <planetmaker> maybe both of us weren't invited ;)
21:17:12  <TrueBrain> impossible!
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21:19:47  <TrueBrain> so ... how big is your garden these days? :P
21:27:55  <planetmaker> it didn't actually change :)
21:28:12  <TrueBrain> good! :P
21:28:16  <TrueBrain> (self-inviting much? :D)
21:28:16  <planetmaker> I'm proud owner of a few cacti. All other plants just... die :P
21:29:00  <planetmaker> I thought a few times to actually get part of that garden there... but nah. I'm away too often
21:29:10  <planetmaker> it would become desert :P
21:29:16  <TrueBrain> :D Also nice, a desert :P
21:29:24  <planetmaker> especially this year ;)
21:29:55  <TrueBrain> pffftt .. I have to water all the plants every freaking day (outside) .. just annoying
21:30:09  <TrueBrain> but the weather in general I consider annoying atm :D
21:31:43  <andythenorth> oh shit
21:31:46  <andythenorth> I should water plants
21:31:53  <andythenorth> and it's dark now
21:32:02  <TrueBrain> you are afraid you cannot find the plants in the dark?
21:33:51  <planetmaker> watering in the dark is the best time actually... so much I know :)
21:33:56  <planetmaker> saves the plants a sunburn
21:34:06  <planetmaker> (I'm not joking)
21:34:20  <TrueBrain> depending on the plant-type, you dont want to water them in the sun, no
21:34:23  <TrueBrain> doesnt mean in the dark btw :D
21:34:33  <planetmaker> Actually I lied: I've 3 chilli plants on my balkony. I just watered them an hour ago :P
21:35:08  <planetmaker> they're not dead - yet
21:35:15  <TrueBrain> ghehe
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21:41:12  <TrueBrain> @op
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21:41:31  <TrueBrain> lol @ DorpsGek
21:41:38  <TrueBrain> he says banlist is empty .. the channel thinks differently
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21:42:18  <TrueBrain> @deop
21:42:18  *** DorpsGek sets mode: -o TrueBrain
21:42:25  <TrueBrain> DorpsGek: you are silly
21:42:28  <DorpsGek> yup
21:42:37  <TrueBrain> soon I will upgrade you!
21:42:43  <TrueBrain> well ... 'upgrade' ...
21:42:50  <TrueBrain> if I am lucky I can keep the 'seen' list
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21:45:17  <glx> you could keep the other ban
21:45:20  <glx> was a spammer
21:45:31  <TrueBrain> our network overlords should keep that in check
21:46:18  <TrueBrain> (they normally do a very good job at that :D)
21:46:50  <TrueBrain> main issue, as with any spammer .. that IP was most likely not his :(
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22:00:29  <andythenorth> natural gas (methane)....silly for a newgrf cargo?
22:00:42  <TrueBrain> depends ... can you light it on fire?
22:01:06  <andythenorth> not in game
22:01:09  <andythenorth> unless we patch that
22:01:09  <TrueBrain> :(
22:01:32  <FLHerne> andythenorth: When someone inevitably does NRT-pipelines, sure
22:02:16  <TrueBrain> pipelines? really? The new transport method? :D
22:03:35  <andythenorth> pipelines... was said to not be TTD enough
22:03:41  <andythenorth> then Factorio made a whole game of it
22:03:49  <peter1138> hi
22:03:52  <TrueBrain> hi
22:04:05  <TrueBrain> I hope OpenTTD doesn't try to compete with Factorio :D
22:04:21  <andythenorth> well we need to keep V employed
22:04:28  <TrueBrain> exactly :)
22:04:29  <andythenorth> so we shouldn't :P
22:07:55  <TrueBrain> time for some well deserved sleep I guess! Night all!
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