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Log for #openttd on 15th September 2018:
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05:54:48  <andythenorth> moin
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08:27:55  <andythenorth> oof
08:28:02  <andythenorth> the stupid things I do for easter eggs :)
08:28:05  <andythenorth> in Horse
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08:53:06  <Wolf01> o/
08:59:07  <andythenorth> o
08:59:09  <andythenorth> yo
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09:59:37  <Wolf01> Mmmh in Factorio I wonder if there's a way to tell in a blueprint what goes on a belt
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10:30:46  <andythenorth> Wolf01:  minis https://www.flickr.com/photos/andythenorth
10:31:41  <Wolf01> Child#1?
10:32:26  <andythenorth> me
10:32:31  <Wolf01> :D
10:32:34  <andythenorth> for child #2
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10:34:54  <andythenorth> bbl
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10:40:38  <Samu_> what is the plane speed factor for WAS?
10:40:42  <Samu_> the recommended
10:43:45  <Samu_> I assumed 1/4
10:44:15  <Samu_> av8 recommends 1/1
10:44:25  <Samu_> vanilla are 1/4
10:44:31  <Samu_> are there other aircraft sets?
10:44:50  <Samu_> ST2: do you know?
10:48:22  <Samu_> jesus, the cost of some was aircraft is overly prohibitive
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11:09:03  <Samu_> how can an aircraft with 100% reliability break down?
11:09:22  <Samu_> speaking of which, why doesn't reliability decay?
11:09:32  <Samu_> there's something wrong with this newgrf
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11:12:41  <Samu_> it decayed abruptly to 80% in 1 step
11:12:54  <Samu_> 100% to 80%
11:13:03  <Samu_> something's fishy
11:18:53  <Samu_> I don't think I can trust World Airliners Set as a reliable NewGRF
11:19:06  <Samu_> models expire the same year they're released
11:19:19  <Samu_> weird stuff
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12:29:16  <Samu_> my AI reached 5000 aircraft for the first time
12:29:22  <Samu_> success!
12:30:32  <Samu_> https://imgur.com/S8Y7T0W
12:30:47  <Samu_> can't get him to get 5000 road vehicles though :(
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14:11:45  <Samu_> it's funny
14:12:24  <Samu_> why do I always find problems and bugs after uploading
14:12:34  <LordAro> that's quite common :)
15:04:48  <Samu_> crashes when there are no bus models available at all
15:04:54  <Samu_> working on a fix
15:05:05  <Samu_> should also crash for mail trucks
15:06:04  <Samu_> ai wasn't smart enough, started construction of a road route without any bus model available, waste of money and effort
15:09:16  <Samu_> the articulated code could be improved
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15:09:47  <Samu_> build drivethrough only if there's only articulated engines
15:09:58  <Samu_> something like that
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16:49:22  <Samu_> found typo
16:49:24  <Samu_> https://noai.openttd.org/api/trunk/classAIRoad.html#9150ac89121ae1ca4778eb13ac7995c7
16:49:36  <Samu_> Precondition: IsRoadTypeAvailable(railtype)
16:49:41  <Samu_> railtype?
17:05:48  <Samu_> it really should be possible to know refit prices beforehand :(
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17:09:30  <LordAro> Samu_: documentation typo, i bet
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17:12:49  <Samu_> i'm trying to estimate a road cost
17:12:56  <Samu_> the entire route
17:13:06  <Samu_> with at least 2 road vehicles
17:13:16  <nielsm> oh cool, a full replica of the first locomotive in denmark was unveiled today: http://www.jernbanen.dk/forum/index.php?id=132814
17:13:18  <Samu_> but I can't find a way to get refit costs
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17:42:12  <andythenorth> moin
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18:19:59  <Samu_> very funny stuff... found a bug in wrightai
18:20:16  <Samu_> getting cargo production of passengers wasn't working as i intended
18:20:35  <Samu_> should be getting 70 for passengers, 18 for mail
18:20:41  <Samu_> turns out it was always using 18
18:21:12  <Samu_> the funny thing is that now that I made it work correctly, 70 is a too high number and no airports are built
18:21:18  <Samu_> lel
18:22:12  <andythenorth> stupidity https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/9107/easter_horse.png
18:22:29  <andythenorth> the hoppers swap from grey to brown if flipped
18:22:32  <andythenorth> the CC is random
18:22:52  <andythenorth> BAD EASTER EGGS
18:23:36  <Samu_> the engine is reversed?
18:23:59  <Samu_> train 107
18:25:51  <andythenorth> engines are reversible
18:25:55  <andythenorth> sometimes
19:00:11  <Samu_> AIList.SORT_DESCENDING is true or false?
19:02:56  <Samu_> doesn't make sense
19:04:00  <Samu_> https://imgur.com/9QLFLaQ look at the airport at Marningwell Valley
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19:04:06  <Samu_> production at that tile is 0
19:04:21  <Samu_> i used SORT_DESCENDING
19:04:38  <Samu_> why then it builds at 0?
19:05:46  <Samu_> testing SORT_ASCENDING brb
19:07:48  <Samu_> SORT_DESCENDING was correct
19:07:56  <Samu_> must be something else
19:09:18  <Samu_> oh right... the is_friendly is influencing
19:09:22  <Samu_> dumb me
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20:52:31  <Samu_> how do I get the passenger + mail capacity of an aircraft?
20:52:50  <Samu_> my estimator only retrieves passenger portion
20:52:59  <Samu_> miscalculates viable aircraft
20:53:05  <Samu_> into unviable
20:53:26  <Samu_> because... reasons?
21:04:12  <nielsm> looks like that's not possible
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21:13:32  <Samu_> perhaps there is a way
21:13:43  <Samu_> a lame workaround
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21:18:52  <Samu_> oh crap, newgrf's getting in the way
21:18:55  <Samu_> there isn't
21:38:08  <Samu_> it sucks that there is no way to get the refit cost of an aircraft
21:38:17  <Samu_> have to use clone
21:38:25  <Samu_> that would require me having an aircraft already
21:38:36  <Samu_> already refited
21:41:49  <Wormnest> CanĀ“t you use test mode
21:43:06  <Samu_> yes, but i need to have the aircraft bought
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21:43:39  <Samu_> aircraft costs 50000, refitting to mail costs 6000
21:43:59  <Samu_> i wanna estimate the cost of building an aircraft refitted to mail
21:44:12  <Samu_> can't do it, without buying the aircraft first
21:45:03  <Samu_> there is a way with clone vehicle, but requires me to have the same model of aircraft already refitted
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21:45:53  <Samu_> if I am doing this for the first route/engine, i'm screwed
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21:47:05  <Wormnest> Just make a rough guess until you know the real costs
21:47:44  <Samu_> inflation ruins the cost estimators
21:47:47  <Samu_> :(
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21:57:52  <Samu_> i'm gonna change the unprofitable rules a bi
21:57:53  <Samu_> t
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22:01:34  <Samu_> set them a bit more loose
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22:47:13  <Samu_> v2 uploaded
23:17:32  <Samu_> tfw mail aircraft profit more than pass aircraft...
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23:48:03  <Samu_> how long will my ai survive with inflation?
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