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I see pikkarail is blank. 10:52:48 <Pikka> not given up... but things have gotten a bit crazy 10:53:34 <Pikka> I wasn't sure if I was going to need pikkarail for something else, which is why it's blank at the moment 11:05:50 *** PleaseHelp has joined #openttd 11:05:56 <PleaseHelp> Anyone online? 11:07:03 *** PleaseHelp has quit IRC 11:08:31 <peter1138> Not them apparently. 11:17:50 <Pikka> shhh 11:18:39 <LordAro> they waited a whole minute! 11:24:08 *** GroovyNoodle has joined #openttd 11:45:18 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 11:50:06 *** Samu has joined #openttd 11:52:29 <Samu> hi 12:00:13 *** sla_ro|master2 has joined #openttd 12:06:37 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 12:22:24 *** TheMask96 has quit IRC 12:27:58 *** TheMask96 has joined #openttd 12:45:13 *** sla_ro|master2 has quit IRC 12:46:22 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 12:56:59 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 12:57:22 *** dvim has joined #openttd 13:00:35 <Eddi|zuHause> https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1213775#p1213775 <-- i'm assuming that's the same guy? 13:07:44 *** snail_UES_ has quit IRC 13:07:44 *** dvim has quit IRC 13:09:02 *** dvim has joined #openttd 13:17:10 *** gareppa has joined #openttd 13:18:02 *** gareppa has left #openttd 13:20:37 *** Flygon has quit IRC 13:31:55 *** skin has joined #openttd 13:32:39 <skin> привет. подскажите русские сервера openttd 14:03:34 *** sim-al2 has quit IRC 14:12:01 *** glavinics has joined #openttd 14:26:15 *** Pikka has quit IRC 14:26:52 <Eddi|zuHause> nastarovje. 14:28:47 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 14:33:54 *** glavinics has quit IRC 14:35:17 *** glavinic_ has joined #openttd 14:48:55 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 14:55:02 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 14:56:55 *** glavinic_ has quit IRC 14:58:57 <planetmaker> skin, this is an English-speaking channel. 15:03:07 <andythenorth> maybe we should switch to dutch? o_O 15:03:20 <andythenorth> was it pikka? 15:05:26 <planetmaker> Hm.. Nederlands? Ik sprek en betje Nederlands... 15:07:17 *** planetmaker has left #openttd 15:07:23 *** planetmaker has joined #openttd 15:07:23 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o planetmaker 15:15:18 *** WWacko1976-work has quit IRC 15:27:50 *** wodencafe has quit IRC 15:27:57 <GroovyNoodle> test 15:33:01 <Samu> @seen 15:33:01 <DorpsGek> Samu: seen [<channel>] <nick> 15:33:20 <Samu> @seen openttd 15:33:20 <DorpsGek> Samu: openttd was last seen in #openttd 20 weeks, 5 days, 5 hours, 55 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <OpenTTD> yeah is looky the reddit openttd main network server are stopped 15:35:57 *** glavinics has joined #openttd 15:47:13 *** Gja has joined #openttd 15:48:36 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 15:52:15 *** wodencafe has joined #openttd 16:04:31 *** Compu has joined #openttd 16:10:26 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 16:11:43 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 has joined #openttd 16:16:07 *** glavinics has quit IRC 16:16:59 *** TheMask96 has quit IRC 16:18:42 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 16:22:28 *** TheMask96 has joined #openttd 16:39:28 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 16:44:29 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 has quit IRC 16:44:32 *** Compu has joined #openttd 16:50:33 *** glavinics has joined #openttd 17:12:09 *** glx has joined #openttd 17:12:09 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 17:12:36 *** Eddi|zuHause has quit IRC 17:17:41 *** Eddi|zuHause has joined #openttd 17:25:05 <andythenorth> is it a brain? 17:25:08 <andythenorth> is it True? 17:25:11 <andythenorth> is it Truebrain? 17:29:08 <Eddi|zuHause> is it superman? 17:29:47 <Eddi|zuHause> speaking of brain, did you hear they're making a new version of tiny toons? 17:31:08 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 17:31:20 <Wolf01> o/ 17:33:53 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 17:35:23 <andythenorth> pinky 17:35:25 <andythenorth> and the brain 17:36:32 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, those 17:48:15 *** Gja has quit IRC 17:49:48 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest654 17:49:50 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 17:50:06 *** skin has quit IRC 17:51:58 *** dvim has quit IRC 17:54:08 *** Guest654 has quit IRC 17:54:08 *** glavinics has quit IRC 17:57:53 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest656 17:57:55 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 18:01:49 *** Guest656 has quit IRC 18:02:47 *** Progman has joined #openttd 18:05:52 *** Wacko1976 has joined #openttd 18:26:38 *** yorick has joined #openttd 18:26:42 <yorick> @seen celestar 18:26:42 <DorpsGek> yorick: celestar was last seen in #openttd 40 weeks, 1 day, 5 hours, 30 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <Celestar> lo 18:26:48 *** yorick has left #openttd 18:31:25 <Wolf01> Mmmh 18:33:43 <nielsm> hello, and goodbye 18:37:49 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest661 18:37:51 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 18:39:54 *** Guest661 has quit IRC 18:46:31 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest663 18:46:33 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 18:50:54 *** Guest663 has quit IRC 18:54:36 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest664 18:54:38 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 18:57:32 *** Guest664 has quit IRC 19:05:54 *** Supercheese has joined #openttd 19:06:59 *** Wacko1976 has quit IRC 19:21:22 *** Wacko1976 has joined #openttd 19:24:57 *** Thedarkb-T60 has joined #openttd 19:51:10 *** GroovyNoodle has quit IRC 19:57:53 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 20:17:49 *** Eddi|zuHause2 has joined #openttd 20:22:59 *** Eddi|zuHause has quit IRC 20:27:51 *** gelignite has quit IRC 20:32:29 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 20:50:59 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 20:54:11 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 20:56:33 *** nielsm has quit IRC 21:01:09 *** Stimrol has quit IRC 21:04:27 *** wodencafe has quit IRC 21:26:01 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 21:29:00 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 21:34:27 *** matt21347 has quit IRC 21:34:40 <iSoSyS> Hi! Question, is there any news related with SDL 2.0? And on that matter, is there any related issue/ticket in github? 21:35:42 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 21:37:34 <FLHerne> iSoSyS: Ancient one: https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/6173 21:38:01 <FLHerne> I think somewhere there was a TT-Forums thread with some experiments 21:38:55 <FLHerne> https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=69650 21:39:09 <iSoSyS> thanks. Github's search sucks. I tried "SDL" and that ticket was not in the results :| 21:39:33 <iSoSyS> So I guess no attempt has been made. 21:40:50 <FLHerne> This also makes me think of https://github.com/michicc/OpenTTD/commits/opengl , but pretty sure that's orthogonal 21:42:03 <iSoSyS> The context of my question is that I wanted to implement issue #4449. But without proper multi-screen support borderless is but useless. 21:42:34 <FLHerne> Actually, perhaps not 21:47:21 <iSoSyS> how so? 21:50:36 <iSoSyS> Currently I don't have a multi-monitor setup, so I'm not sure how fullscreen in ottd behaves. 21:52:05 <ST2> to me maxs on screen when majority of the window is 21:52:29 <FLHerne> I was wondering if the OpenGL-based video backend could be used on platforms that currently use the SDL1.2 one 21:53:04 <FLHerne> But it seems to be heavily tied to Windows 21:54:12 <FLHerne> (where SDL isn't used by default anyway) 21:54:31 *** dvim has joined #openttd 21:55:40 <FLHerne> ... 21:56:13 <FLHerne> Since bug 4449 only mentions Windows, are you sure the SDL version matters to you? 21:56:19 * FLHerne might be misunderstanding 21:57:35 <iSoSyS> the point was to implement borderless to all platforms that support it. You can do it with SDL 1.2, but handling multiple screens is the hard hard bit. 21:59:14 <iSoSyS> I might look at OpenGL, it seems an interesting idea. But for now I'll postpone it, and pick another issue. 22:06:55 <planetmaker> iSoSyS, for me, on 2 monitors, OpenTTD covers in full screen one monitor (as does any other full screen programme) 22:08:01 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 22:08:03 <iSoSyS> main monitor, or the one where the window currently is? 22:08:25 <Eddi|zuHause> most modern games offer choice between "actual" fullscreen and "windowed" fullscreen 22:08:41 <Eddi|zuHause> which may behave differently 22:09:57 <iSoSyS> I am aware. It is also common to offer an option with the target screen (for borderless at least) 22:10:16 <planetmaker> the latter: current monitor... I wanted to answer until I just tried again 22:10:26 <planetmaker> funkily it cloned itself to both screens :| 22:12:05 <iSoSyS> interesting behavior 22:13:42 <planetmaker> bloody hell. That killed my monitor arrangement and set it to mirror 22:14:18 <iSoSyS> lol. That's something not expected. 22:14:34 <planetmaker> let's see whether it happens again 22:14:38 <ST2> sorry the intrusion: iSoSyS: and about this? https://www.engadget.com/2018/10/15/dell-49-inch-ultrawide-dual-qhd-monitor/ 22:14:51 <ST2> (off the chat, sorry) 22:15:05 <planetmaker> yes. Indeed, it happened again 22:15:22 <planetmaker> Activating full screen in openttd resets my monitor arangement to mirror instead of dual 22:16:34 <planetmaker> That's something new to me. And that definitely was different before 22:16:52 *** Wacko1976 has quit IRC 22:20:17 <iSoSyS> I did hammer down a few changes to enable borderless in sdl. But I did some wrong assumptions, and while redoing I stopped once I realized I couldn't handle multi-monitor arrangements from within sdl. 22:22:18 <planetmaker> maybe that's the issue with it... 22:22:24 <iSoSyS> So I guess I either wait for SDL2 or I need to handle it without the help of SDL. Which would be hard and very platform dependent 22:23:03 <iSoSyS> maybe. From my searchs, sdl1.2 is not known to handle multimonitors nicely 22:23:07 <planetmaker> well... platform dependent it is anyway. SDL is primarily used for linux support in OpenTTD. Windows uses GDI. And OSX uses cocoa 22:23:36 <planetmaker> yet, last time I tried, SDL worked at least on mac. But that's rather years ago than months 22:25:09 <iSoSyS> and the other more obscure platforms? isn't it with sdl? 22:25:34 <planetmaker> well, likely. I honestly don't know. Android is a kind of linux as well 22:26:24 <iSoSyS> yes, it seems so. I just checked the readme, except DOS everything is SDL 22:28:02 <planetmaker> I don't say to not care... but if SDL on general linux is improved... that's a win. Even when it doesn't work on some more obscure system :) 22:29:17 <iSoSyS> Actually now I'm curious, anyone with multi-monitor setup wants to try my "bordeless" attempt? https://github.com/MiguelHorta/OpenTTD/tree/t4449/borderless 22:29:39 <iSoSyS> did SDL2 drop support of any platform? 22:31:04 *** Thedarkb-T60 has quit IRC 22:33:06 <planetmaker> I shall try 22:35:09 <iSoSyS> It's a dropdown in the settings. 22:35:24 <iSoSyS> btw, you lose alt-tab when in borderless 22:35:42 <planetmaker> ok. Is that necessary to loose? 22:36:29 <iSoSyS> no, but you need to handle explicitly. Since when in borderless the WM delegates all tasks to you 22:37:46 *** sim-al2 has joined #openttd 22:38:11 <planetmaker> where's the setting for borderless? 22:38:23 <iSoSyS> game settings 22:38:38 <iSoSyS> dropdown bellow screen resolution 22:40:20 <planetmaker> hm... 22:41:54 <planetmaker> ok, my fault... built wrong revision from your repo :D 22:42:04 <planetmaker> interestingly ... full screen worked there... 22:42:23 *** Thedarkb-T60 has joined #openttd 22:43:21 <iSoSyS> strange, any other of my branchs don't have video driver related changes. So it is something in between 1.8.0 and HEAD 22:44:35 <planetmaker> yeah... my checkout wasn't very recent... so maybe 22:45:01 <planetmaker> so, your windowless version works for me. When activated, it defaults to complete desktop, covering both my screens 22:45:48 <planetmaker> when I change the resolution to smaller, then the main menu and settings window are not re-positioned. I might end up w/o access to them had I made it smaller than half the width 22:46:22 <iSoSyS> Well at least it behaves as expected. 22:46:39 <planetmaker> I'm not sure we have a callback for that, though to reposition windows 22:47:49 <iSoSyS> it's GameSizeChanged() 22:47:56 <planetmaker> I experience little difference between switching between windowed, fullscreen and borderless modes though 22:48:26 <iSoSyS> do fullscreen also spawn both screens? 22:49:12 *** Lejving_ has joined #openttd 22:51:16 <planetmaker> yes 22:51:22 <planetmaker> one big screen 22:51:43 <planetmaker> hm 22:52:42 <planetmaker> err... 22:52:43 <iSoSyS> well, that's the part that would need platform depend things. Spawn both screens is not the intended behavior 99% of the times 22:52:46 <planetmaker> well... 22:53:00 <planetmaker> sometimes one, sometimes both screens when selecting 'full screen' 22:53:00 <iSoSyS> borderless to windowed crashes? 22:53:05 <planetmaker> no crashes 22:53:20 <planetmaker> I can switch from whatever to whatever mode w/o issue 22:53:32 <iSoSyS> ah I saw some crashed with the transition borderless to windowed. 22:54:23 *** Supercheese has quit IRC 22:54:33 <iSoSyS> not crash, more like unresponsive. But anyway that is strange. At least I expected some consistency in the behavior 22:55:39 <planetmaker> there is some regularity... but given the time I'm not exactly awake enough anymore to say exactly :) 22:56:04 *** Lejving has quit IRC 22:56:11 *** wodencafe has joined #openttd 22:57:38 <planetmaker> I don't think there's anything unresponsive for me either. It's a quick and clean switch 22:57:43 <planetmaker> no flickering, no nothing 22:59:35 <iSoSyS> btw, what is your environment? X11 or wayland? 23:01:13 <planetmaker> it's fedora 28. So Wayland I suppose 23:01:35 <iSoSyS> interesting interesting 23:04:16 <planetmaker> It's using the default noveau graphics driver, no nVidia stuff 23:08:14 <planetmaker> anyway, good night for now :) 23:08:33 <iSoSyS> it seems only fedora 28 gnome has wayland 23:08:43 <iSoSyS> sure. Good night :) 23:09:45 <planetmaker> well, there'll be Fedora 29 very soonish :P 23:11:08 <planetmaker> hm 23:11:28 <planetmaker> $ echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE 23:11:28 <planetmaker> x11 23:11:42 <planetmaker> my beliefs crumble :P 23:12:28 <peter1138> https://www.libssh.org/2018/10/16/libssh-0-8-4-and-0-7-6-security-and-bugfix-release/ 23:12:31 <peter1138> o_O 23:13:36 <planetmaker> oh bugger 23:15:11 <iSoSyS> wait, that affects a fuckton of servers. 23:16:02 <planetmaker> like... every server 23:20:18 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 23:22:40 <iSoSyS> ahhh libssh and openssh are different things 23:22:47 <iSoSyS> the internet can remain calm 23:34:07 *** Progman has quit IRC 23:58:13 *** Supercheese has joined #openttd 23:58:32 *** Thedarkb-T60 has quit IRC