Log for #openttd on 3rd September 2019:
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06:51:49  <andythenorth> o/
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08:17:51  <andythenorth> hmm
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09:48:44  <andythenorth> ok, is this changelog done then? ;)
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11:31:21  <andythenorth> Hurrah!
11:31:27  <andythenorth> no pictures, oops
11:33:01  <Arveen2> woohooo
11:37:56  <andythenorth> :)
11:58:43  <Arveen2> looks very nice
12:06:08  <andythenorth> thanks
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13:04:21  <andythenorth> pls send lunch?
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17:34:01  <supermop_work> hello Wolf01
17:34:23  <Wolf01> Hello Spank!
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17:45:05  <Wolf01> Meh, I can't fit everything on a single monitor
17:46:34  <Wolf01> Also V453000 you could at least keep the 0.17.55 since it was the last one before the oil change... now we have to fix the production :P
17:46:52  <Wolf01> We were waiting for the stable to start a new map
17:51:45  <andythenorth> these torpedo wagons travel quite fast?
18:14:08  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: hard to judge from the video. maybe 80km/h?
18:15:00  <andythenorth> faster than I expected :)
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18:18:50  <Wolf01> Also... are they empty?
18:19:03  <andythenorth> probably
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19:17:37  <supermop_work> big night in westminster andythenorth ?
19:17:44  <andythenorth> am watching it
19:17:46  <andythenorth> mostly hot air
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19:26:06  <Eddi|zuHause> how is that different from all the other times?
19:28:37  <glx> seems to be worse this time
19:30:22  <supermop_work> Eddi|zuHause: this time they've put off three years worth of discussion until tonight i guess
19:31:08  <andythenorth> no we definitely discussed most of this before :P
19:31:14  <andythenorth> most of it
19:31:23  <supermop_work> discussed but didn't decide anything?
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19:34:46  <andythenorth> nothing is decided
19:34:57  <andythenorth> but I released Horse 2.0.0 so that's a thing
19:35:13  <supermop_work> not confident anything will be decided this week either
19:35:50  <andythenorth> I am confident Horse 3.0.0 won't be done this week
19:35:54  <andythenorth> certainty
19:36:12  <supermop_work> haha "Parliament decides what to do about Brexit" vs. "Andy decides a Grf is done and fit to be released"
19:36:27  <supermop_work> not sure i expected the latter before the former
19:36:45  <glx> nothing will be decided before 31/10
19:38:21  <andythenorth> 2.0.1 next? o_O
19:38:31  <andythenorth> I've already made commits
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20:23:06  <Eddi|zuHause> the one that is really outdated and needs to be replaced and migrated?
20:26:45  <andythenorth> that one yes
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20:58:24  <andythenorth> :o
20:58:34  <andythenorth> France actually has 125mph freight trains
20:58:40  <andythenorth> only one route, but eh
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21:02:52  <Etua> Funny to see freight train that is faster than passenger trains in some countries.
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21:12:16  <glx> andythenorth: but the french rail infrastructure is mostly unmaintained, with a lot of speed limits caused by lack of maintenance
21:12:29  <glx> except on TGV lines
21:13:02  * andythenorth went to France some time ago
21:13:09  <andythenorth> lot of train track
21:13:20  <andythenorth> a lot more than the UK at the time
21:14:59  <glx> in many places they replace trains with bus
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21:40:57  <Eddi|zuHause> <glx> andythenorth: but the french rail infrastructure is mostly unmaintained, with a lot of speed limits caused by lack of maintenance <-- germany has a maintenance problem as well. basically, the german railway (which is "private", but 100% owned by the government) has to pay for maintenance itself, unless they neglect it so much that it has to be rebuilt from scratch, then the government must pay for it
21:41:30  <Eddi|zuHause> so they're not exactly intensvised to maintain...
21:41:47  <Eddi|zuHause> incentivised
21:41:54  <glx> it's not "private" yet here
21:42:00  <glx> except for fret
21:42:09  <glx> *freight
21:42:35  <Eddi|zuHause> railway privatisation was a thing they pushed for massively in the 90s
21:42:55  <glx> it will soon due to european regulation
21:43:28  <glx> and "service quality" dream :)
21:43:30  <Eddi|zuHause> there's some pushback that wants to revert parts of it here, particularly the infrastructure bits.
21:44:18  <glx> when SNCF "bad" service is mostly due to bad infrastructure
21:44:36  <glx> so it won't be better for others
21:45:31  <glx> the only difference will be newer trains
21:46:04  <Eddi|zuHause> thing about actual "private" railways (which is mostly code for "state-owned foreign railways", like dutch railway and stuff), is that the german railway controls the infrastructure, so they can set prices and track slots to favour itself over others
21:46:22  <Eddi|zuHause> which is the second reason why some people want to revert the infrastructure back into state-owned
21:46:30  <Eddi|zuHause> to level the playing field
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21:48:05  <glx> IIRC they split infrastructure owning and use some time ago (mostly to move the debt to the infrastructure)
21:49:55  <Eddi|zuHause> railway operation basically falls into 3 sectors: long distance, regional and freight. freight seems to be fine, with lots of larger and smaller companies competing. regional is weird, because they're government-issued contracts which are like 15-year-long local monopolies, and there's been practically no competition on long distance, pretty much everyone that tried to compete there gave up after a few years
21:50:45  <glx> freight is not very good here as it uses same tracks as passengers but with lower priority
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21:51:24  <glx> it used to be better
21:51:50  <Eddi|zuHause> same here, but it comes down to a few major bottlenecks, like the rhine valley, and routes that ultimately lead towards alp-passes (gotthart, brenner)
21:52:47  <glx> and many trucks contourning germany via alsace, to escape the tax ;)
21:53:17  <Eddi|zuHause> and there are a few cases where they built new routes, which were meant to also be used by freight, but they built them to such steep profiles that no economically viable freight train can use them
21:54:07  <Eddi|zuHause> glx: which is weird, because it used to be france where using the autobahn costs money :p
21:54:52  <Eddi|zuHause> i think they got the whole autobahn cost thing backwards
21:55:08  <Eddi|zuHause> they should charge trucks for using anything OTHER than autobahn
21:55:17  <glx> they tried
21:55:39  <glx> french truckers were not happy
21:55:53  <Eddi|zuHause> otherwise they just cause more traffic to back-roads
21:55:58  <glx> blocking roads and all
21:56:20  <Eddi|zuHause> glx: knowing how protests in france tend to go, that probably wasn't pretty :p
21:57:36  <glx>
21:58:16  <glx> just cost 1 billion
21:58:54  <Eddi|zuHause> let's not talk about costs...
21:59:51  <Eddi|zuHause> ... they tried here to extend the autobahn tax onto regular cars, with the intention to only really charge foreign cars, and give the locally registered cars a tax cut in the same amount
22:00:01  <Eddi|zuHause> ... and already given out contracts and stuff
22:00:20  <Eddi|zuHause> ... and then lost a court case declaring the law incompatible with european guidelines
22:00:20  <glx> isn't that illegal to charge only foreign ?
22:00:51  <Eddi|zuHause> ... so now they have to honour the contracts, but aren't allowed to charge anybody
22:01:46  <glx> they're supposed to think before deciding to do things
22:02:03  <Eddi|zuHause> ... uhm yeah. but when's that going to happen? :p
22:02:17  <glx> maybe someday :)
22:02:32  <glx> and then they're surprised people don't vote
22:03:04  <glx> and use far right fear
22:03:12  <Eddi|zuHause> glx: but at the same time they're saying: "these youths should go back to school, and let the professionals deal with the issues"
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22:10:35  <glx> yeah
22:27:00  <milek7> i guess you at least don't have highways leased to private companies on 30 years secret contracts, high tolls, and with roadworks on third of whole distance? ;P
22:32:59  <Eddi|zuHause> milek7: there was a section of highway that they leased like that, and then the economy crashed and there were massively fewer trucks around to pay for it
22:33:29  <glx> we still have that
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