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Log for #openttd on 23rd September 2019:
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02:14:16  <Pikka> huh
02:14:21  <Pikka> labradoodles
02:15:10  <Eddi|zuHause> someone who randomly says "huh" in the middle of the night is a ghost?
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02:36:24  <Pikka> they are?
02:37:10  <Eddi|zuHause> for all i know, you could be?
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06:05:10  <andythenorth> o/
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06:17:13  <andythenorth> Pikka: bridge grf? :P https://www.railpictures.net/photo/710647/
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06:33:37  <Pikka> sounds plausible!
06:33:54  <Pikka> just need to find someone to plan, draw and code it :)
06:48:28  <andythenorth> oof
06:48:37  <andythenorth> usually it turns out to be me :P
06:48:46  <Pikka> oops
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10:33:41  <peter1138> Is it lunch?
10:46:08  <Eddi|zuHause> it better be
11:14:53  <Arveen> i hope so
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11:39:51  <Pikka> andythelunch
11:40:27  <andythenorth> andythecoffee
11:40:34  <andythenorth> I tried a coffee experiment
11:41:09  <andythenorth> I have not drunk enough :P
11:42:19  <andythenorth> on balance, it's gone badly
11:42:51  <Pikka> experiments often do
11:43:19  <Pikka> but it's how we learn or sommat
11:46:28  <andythenorth> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46h7oP9eiBk
11:51:46  <Pikka> so, no coffee?
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12:43:08  <peter1138> I had lunch.
12:43:10  <peter1138> But no coffee.
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12:44:13  <Sacro> 
12:45:35  <andythenorth> sacro is lost for words :P
12:50:44  <Sacro> Something like that yes
13:13:47  <peter1138> I might have a coffee.
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15:41:58  <SimYouLater> https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=85901 Help?
15:42:09  <SimYouLater> Please?
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17:02:27  <planetmaker> hm... just stumbled over it: https://www.tt-forums.net/openttd/openttd_visualised.avi :)
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17:15:26  <TrueBrain> Finding ancient stuff are you? :)
17:15:44  <TrueBrain> I spotted some dust on that Avi :p
17:20:59  <frosch123> i am sure you are missing the old homepage
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18:42:54  <nielsm> accessing the high voltage section of an electric loco is rather involved: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPM-HlQp98w
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18:58:02  <andythenorth> reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFnq1AzHfrQ&t=222s
19:42:21  <Samu> hi
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20:00:57  <firewire1394> FLHerne: ping
20:02:35  <firewire1394> FLHerne: need to wait till i get 1.9.3 on archlinux
20:07:35  <TrueBrain> meh; proxying UDP is annoying as ... well, especially with the OpenTTD UDP protocol ... sometimes it replies 1 message, sometimes 2, and sometimes none ... and a proxy wants to know what it can expect :P
20:07:38  <TrueBrain> good days :D
20:08:17  <glx> and UDP has no guarantee on delivery either
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20:10:03  <TrueBrain> this is rather annoying :D
20:10:13  <TrueBrain> glx: well, that funny enough is not really an issue on modern internet
20:10:17  <TrueBrain> but yeah, it can happen
20:11:42  <glx> basically the proxy should not expect anything
20:11:51  <TrueBrain> those don't exist, sadly
20:11:58  <TrueBrain> well, only nginx really does UDP proxying
20:14:19  <TrueBrain> and I don't want to build something myself, as the whole point is using off-the-shelve stuff so things are less dependent on me :P
20:20:27  <glx> yeah the goal is to simplify maintenance
20:28:30  <andythenorth> in a python global_constants.py
20:29:03  <TrueBrain> I spotted an anti-pattern :D
20:29:06  <andythenorth> is it wrong to write actual algorithmic code (not just assignments)
20:29:07  <andythenorth> ?
20:29:17  <TrueBrain> 1) the name is wrong
20:29:22  <TrueBrain> 2) yes, very wrong
20:29:34  <TrueBrain> changing the name could change that answer :D
20:29:49  <glx> global_stuff ?
20:29:55  <TrueBrain> "global" constants should not really have a meaning in the world of Python :)
20:29:59  <TrueBrain> you either import the module, or you don't
20:30:14  <TrueBrain> you refer to it by module .. so "global" is weird :P
20:30:18  <andythenorth> it's cargo culted
20:30:22  <andythenorth> oh it's called constants.py
20:30:26  <TrueBrain> \o/
20:30:30  <TrueBrain> so make algorithm.py
20:30:31  <andythenorth> but that's bikeshedding :P
20:30:33  <TrueBrain> yes :D
20:30:38  <TrueBrain> it needs to be golden!
20:30:48  <LordAro> sky blue!
20:30:51  <TrueBrain> (like asking where to place code is not bikeshedding :D)
20:31:02  <andythenorth> as long as I know it's wrong before I do it anyway
20:31:07  <TrueBrain> I always start with putting everything in a single file, and move things out from there after :P
20:31:17  <andythenorth> being definitely wrong reduces anxiety
20:31:25  <TrueBrain> I now have a master implementation of 100 lines of Python ... and 400 lines to make sure it can run :P
20:31:34  <TrueBrain> s/master/master server/
20:32:09  <TrueBrain> 47 lines of code, 60 lines of comments ...
20:32:22  <TrueBrain> I think our protocol needs too much explaining :D
20:32:25  <glx> you like comments ;)
20:33:58  <FLHerne> firewire1394: http://www.flherne.uk/files/openttd-1.9.3-1-x86_64.pkg.xz
20:34:16  <FLHerne> (I ran into the same problem yesterday...)
20:34:29  <firewire1394> FLHerne: i'm scared and kinda lazy to compile myself :D
20:34:41  <firewire1394> i guess it just takes some more days hmm
20:34:52  <glx> it's really easy to compile
20:34:54  <FLHerne> firewire1394: That's a compiled pkg
20:34:59  <FLHerne> (but also that)
20:35:04  <firewire1394> FLHerne: for archlinux?
20:35:07  <FLHerne> Yes
20:35:10  <firewire1394> oh
20:35:15  <firewire1394> you're an arch user as well? :)
20:35:38  <TrueBrain> we should frame this. The two arch users found each other on #openttd
20:35:39  <FLHerne> Yes
20:35:41  <TrueBrain> this is world news :)
20:35:43  * andythenorth regrets things
20:35:53  <firewire1394> FLHerne: nice! :)
20:35:55  <FLHerne> TrueBrain: It's, like, the third-most-popular distro or something?
20:36:09  <TrueBrain> I was just mocking you :)
20:36:10  <TrueBrain> I am sorry :)
20:36:15  <andythenorth> 2.0?
20:36:16  <TrueBrain> it was such an easy score :P
20:36:19  <FLHerne> Oh, ok
20:36:23  <LordAro> lol
20:36:32  <Samu> my ai, viewed by others: https://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=208965
20:36:52  <firewire1394> FLHerne: do you use i3wm?
20:37:13  <FLHerne> No, dwm, I found i3 annoyingly opinionated
20:37:29  <LordAro> well aren't you both complete stereotypes?
20:37:32  <FLHerne> (and xmonad annoyingly haskelly)
20:37:36  <FLHerne> LordAro: Yep
20:37:37  * LordAro says, as an Arch & i3 user
20:37:42  <FLHerne> Hah
20:38:56  <glx> Samu: sign spam ?
20:39:22  <firewire1394> FLHerne: i tried to get into dwm, but it feels weird as i already got used to i3wm, though most of the features no one really needs
20:42:49  <FLHerne> There's definitely a diminishing-returns point
20:43:30  <FLHerne> If you're happy with something and know how to use it, scrapping it to use the latest supposedly-slightly-better alternative is silly
20:43:52  <FLHerne> (an idea that I think the frontend JS industry has yet to learn...)
20:45:04  <nnyby> yes. xmonad is basically unchanged in 10 years. there's nothing else to be done: it's perfect :P
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20:45:25  <firewire1394> FLHerne: i wish js people would think the same
20:47:13  <FLHerne> Of course, this is the channel for a 20-odd-year-old game, so it would be odd if we weren't likeminded
20:47:45  <FLHerne> (and for a FOSS project, so it would be odd if half of us weren't using tiling WMs on Arch)
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20:53:42  <Samu> no, it's just underperforming
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21:19:39  <super_spooky> nnyby: I was about to make the same argument about TWM but looks like it got a release last year https://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-announce/2018-March/002857.html
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23:56:30  <Eddi|zuHause> dear youtube, wtf made you think i wanted to watch a collection of origami videos?

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