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Log for #openttd on 28th January 2020:
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09:52:36  <Pikka> oof
09:54:04  <peter1138> Indeed.
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10:25:04  <LordAro> foo
10:45:52  <peter1138> bar?
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15:50:09  <andythenorth> o/
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15:55:55  <supermop_work> yo
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17:06:53  <Pikka> yoyo
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18:16:32  <DorpsGek_III_> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] autobus22 opened issue #7965: Conflict in financial data. https://git.io/JvYW8
18:19:46  <supermop_work> hi pikk
18:19:48  <supermop_work> a
18:19:53  <supermop_work> oops
18:22:44  <LordAro> hmm
18:22:56  <LordAro> i'd say new vehicles don't count, but there's no new vehicles cost...
18:28:26  <andythenorth> hmm
18:28:38  <andythenorth> designing vehicle progression is weird
18:29:38  <peter1138> Who can merge to git-hooks?
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18:30:10  <DorpsGek_III_> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on issue #7965: Conflict in financial data. https://git.io/JvYW8
18:30:10  <LordAro> i don't think anyone other than org admins have access to it
18:30:12  <LordAro> speaking of
18:34:28  <DorpsGek_III_> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] autobus22 commented on issue #7965: Conflict in financial data. https://git.io/JvYW8
18:44:22  <andythenorth> oof numbers
18:44:38  <andythenorth> OpenTTD 2.0: Full Sandbox or Riot!
18:44:45  <andythenorth> more ways to choose train colours
18:44:57  <andythenorth> fewer fucking arounds with endless money tweaks
18:46:06  <peter1138> Feeders?
18:46:44  <andythenorth> mumble mumble
18:46:56  <andythenorth> think they're fixed in JGR
18:47:07  <andythenorth> it was recent
18:47:42  <andythenorth> was it lunch? I may have made some large errors
18:54:18  <nielsm> this looks dangerous https://0x0.st/is8r.jpg
18:58:07  <andythenorth> oof
18:58:50  <peter1138> Heh
19:01:00  <nielsm> definite problems with the loading gauge https://0x0.st/is88.jpg
19:15:42  <Wolf01> <andythenorth> OpenTTD 2.0: Full Sandbox or Riot! <- agreed
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19:35:52  <nielsm> finally! https://0x0.st/is82.jpg
19:36:34  <nielsm> requires a stupidly long route with perfectly laid track
19:36:37  <Samu> 7965, I actually wonder about the fake income
19:36:45  <Samu> why fake it?
19:36:47  <nielsm> to reach the top speed
19:39:14  <_dp_> Samu, because otherwise ppl whine about transferring vehicles having no profit
19:39:58  <Samu> make it real
19:40:26  <_dp_> Samu, ppl will whine about money exploit by transferring stuff back and forth :p
19:42:22  <Samu> why not income all interveined vehicles on final delivery?
19:42:29  <Samu> instead of what it's now
19:42:47  <nielsm> it requires tracking lots of stuff
19:42:56  <nielsm> it's possible, I think JGR does it actually
19:43:13  <_dp_> imo it shoud just show full payment on final delivery
19:43:41  <_dp_> ah, nvm, there are vehicle profits as well...
19:44:03  <Samu> sec
19:45:32  <Samu> is it 7935?
19:45:38  <Samu> doing the same as in jrg?
19:49:34  <_dp_> idk, but looks like a very nice change
19:50:24  <_dp_> whatever openttd is doing currently makes no sense whatsoever
19:50:37  <_dp_> as it seems to calculate profit for a leg distance with full time
19:54:07  <peter1138> andythenorth, full sandbox, so basically no money, and...
19:55:13  <peter1138> Hmm, should I play Doom, or watch YouTube/Netflix/Prime?
19:57:45  <peter1138> Meh, too much stuff is sequels to things I've not seen.
20:01:32  <peter1138> Doom it is.
20:02:18  <andythenorth> no money, magic bulldozer, nielsm's maximum town rating GS
20:02:53  <glx> [20:36:35] <nielsm> requires a stupidly long route with perfectly laid track <-- like real life for the 515,3 km/h and 574,8 km/h records
20:03:17  <peter1138> This WAD is too dark :(
20:03:28  * peter1138 goes with F11.
20:04:31  <andythenorth> when was Doom released?  Same year as TTO?
20:04:39  <peter1138> Earlier.
20:04:48  <andythenorth> 1993
20:04:59  <andythenorth> oof, and it had modding from day one :P
20:05:05  <andythenorth> in a sane format
20:05:10  <andythenorth> with a shipped editor
20:05:32  <peter1138> No, it never shipped with an editor.
20:05:48  <peter1138> Definitely not sane either.
20:05:58  <andythenorth> nah, but they released WADEdit or whatever it was called
20:06:07  <andythenorth> as uncompiled source or something
20:06:18  <andythenorth> it was all built for NeXT at Id
20:06:21  <peter1138> Nope, 3rd parties released editors.
20:07:38  * andythenorth tries to remember the one everyone used 
20:07:48  <andythenorth> it was on cover CDs like PC Format and stuff
20:07:56  <planetmaker> jo
20:07:57  <peter1138> deutex was an early one
20:08:31  <andythenorth> hmm https://doomwiki.org/wiki/DoomEd
20:08:34  <andythenorth> random
20:08:43  <andythenorth> shall I try and build it? o_O
20:08:52  <andythenorth> haven't edited a WAD for years :P
20:12:39  <peter1138> It's been a while, yeah.
20:13:50  <TrueBrain> andythenorth: "for years"? Or "in years"? As I doubt anyone has been doing it "for years" :P
20:13:54  <TrueBrain> good evening all :D
20:14:31  <andythenorth> in years
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20:15:31  <truepedantlol> what no kick? :P
20:15:42  <peter1138> Well actually, yeah, people have still been making WADs :D
20:15:44  <TrueBrain> not really no, I agree with you
20:15:52  <peter1138> Maybe not one single one for years, though.
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20:16:07  <TrueBrain> would be funny if someone was doing that,t bh :)
20:16:15  <peter1138> Bah, I want to watch the rest of Picard but... not out yet, heh./
20:16:22  <TrueBrain> 2 more days
20:16:38  <TrueBrain> even then, only a small part more :(
20:20:41  <Samu> some weird math going behind the scenes
20:21:50  <Samu> train transports trasnferred passengers to a station and gets an income of £163, but on the finance window, it gained £303
20:22:21  <TrueBrain> well, you know what they say: IT IS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY MONEY MONEY
20:23:07  <Samu> which one is the real money?
20:23:13  <Samu> that of the finances, right?
20:23:22  <TrueBrain> or is it ........?
20:25:03  <Samu> so, the bus here... should of have gained the rest?
20:25:26  <TrueBrain> or is it ........?
20:25:31  <TrueBrain> hmm, bad english
20:25:35  <TrueBrain> or does it ........?
20:26:08  <Samu> bus: transfer £141
20:27:19  <Samu> train: income £156
20:28:09  <Samu> real income is £297
20:30:07  <peter1138> Well done.
20:30:16  <TrueBrain> I am absolutely shocked
20:31:00  <glx> sum seems right
20:31:43  <Samu> gonna check that thing of jgr
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20:38:13  <peter1138> andythenorth, I watched an interview with Steve Furber last night.
20:42:45  * andythenorth googles
20:43:20  <andythenorth> oh he invented ARM chips?
20:44:29  <andythenorth> did anyone open source chocks away yet?
20:44:33  <andythenorth> or can I run it on a pi?
20:44:42  <andythenorth> there's some kind of new risc os pi thing I think
20:44:57  <andythenorth> https://www.riscosopen.org/content/downloads/raspberry-pi
20:46:44  <andythenorth> Doom on RiscOS! https://sites.google.com/site/jeffreyadoggett/
20:48:20  <andythenorth> https://dxmtechsupport.com.au/playing-badass-acorn-archimedes-games-on-a-raspberry-pi
20:50:34  <_dp_> hm... cargo payment calculation is actually quite bad
20:50:47  <_dp_> loses a lot on rounding since it's split in tiny packets
20:51:36  <_dp_> up to 4% on 50 tile maglev
20:51:55  <_dp_> and should be even worse for shorter and slower routes
20:51:55  <andythenorth> the shame :)
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20:54:53  <_dp_> ironic how it takes a lot of effort to save cargo bits when sharing between stations
20:55:03  <Samu> i need a savegame for that
20:55:05  <_dp_> just to waste a lot more while calculating paymens xD
20:55:12  <Samu> for 7935
20:55:30  <Samu> showcasing what changed, i don't see any difference
20:55:46  <Samu> i can't spot the difference
20:56:00  <_dp_> Samu, make a lot of transfers
20:56:03  <_dp_> some bacwards
20:58:55  <Samu> ok, gonna use that BUGGED.sav
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21:02:22  <peter1138> andythenorth, basically the ARM in the Pi is WAY too advanced and is not compatible with original ARM code, so... you need to emulate.
21:03:17  <peter1138> Aemulor? Or Something...
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21:14:12  <Samu> doesn't fix the problem
21:14:21  <Samu> it's still fake money :|
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21:20:51  <DorpsGek_III_> [OpenTTD/workflows] TrueBrain updated pull request #4: Add: [CDN] code and config to generate required files for CDN https://git.io/Jvmvo
21:20:59  <DorpsGek_III_> [OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain updated pull request #147: Add: switch to openttd-cdn.org for all downloads https://git.io/Jvmvk
21:22:10  <TrueBrain> almost there .. needs some test-driving, and I need to modify Azure Pipelines ... this should be done by the weekend :)
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21:26:58  <andythenorth> peter1138: emulate the old ARM on a pi? o_O
21:27:07  <peter1138> Quite. It's fast enough, heh.
21:27:13  <andythenorth> nobody seems to have Chocks Away disk images easily available :P
21:27:21  <peter1138> Uhh
21:27:47  <andythenorth> my parents had an A3000 in the loft until a few years ago, but my brother sold it ;P
21:27:53  <peter1138> I have them.
21:28:15  <andythenorth> hmm
21:28:32  <andythenorth> Chocks Away Patch
21:28:37  <andythenorth> network mode :P
21:28:41  <andythenorth> MMORG
21:34:36  <DorpsGek_III_> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JGRennison updated pull request #7935: Add: Option for a new transfer feeder payment algorithm https://git.io/JvJrX
21:36:12  <DorpsGek_III_> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JGRennison commented on pull request #7935: Add: Option for a new transfer feeder payment algorithm https://git.io/JvYgg
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21:51:12  <supermop_work> i hate the soap we have at work
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22:10:31  <DorpsGek_III_> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro approved pull request #7935: Add: Option for a new transfer feeder payment algorithm https://git.io/JvY2S
22:13:02  <andythenorth> bye
22:13:04  <andythenorth> sleep
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22:33:35  <Samu> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pulls/SamuXarick
22:34:35  <Samu> 7094, just aprove it
22:35:59  <Samu> 7376 - i requested a change, nobody answered
22:37:20  <DorpsGek_III_> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc merged pull request #7935: Add: Option for a new transfer feeder payment algorithm https://git.io/JvJrX
22:39:24  <Samu> 7890 just aprove it, 7918 too
22:40:31  <Samu> 7822 needs the cache expert
22:42:59  <Samu> hmm t.t gotta go
22:43:14  <Samu> take care~
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