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09:00:17  <TrueBrain> only 12 domains left on the old infra .. (from the ~50)
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09:01:42  <TrueBrain> devs -> will be closed soon. translator -> eints -> hopefully that can be migrated soon. grfsearch -> requires me to write some javascript, accounts -> can be closed if eints is moved, media -> see "accounts", admin -> see "accounts", spam -> we need to find a new mail host, stats -> see "accounts", wiki -> still needs a resolution
09:01:45  <TrueBrain> so nearly there :D
09:02:19  <andythenorth> \o/
09:02:25  * andythenorth encouragement as a web service
09:02:31  * andythenorth gratitude as a web service
09:02:49  <TrueBrain> the most things can be closed down if eints migrates, so that is good
09:02:56  <TrueBrain> like 50% of the things can be closed down :P
09:17:20  <TrueBrain> seems memory-wise eints and a wiki will not fit in the current cluster size .. but scaling up is easy :P
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09:31:45  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JuanManzana opened issue #8310: when I logged in to 1M city mania the error window pops up... https://git.io/JU0EE
10:23:19  <TrueBrain> and I hit another AWS limit :D We have too many CloudFronts with Lambda@Edge attached
10:23:24  <TrueBrain> lets request a limit increase :)
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13:01:47  <andythenorth> yes, let's hire security companies who post forum spam to advertise
13:01:54  <andythenorth> definitely not a malware scam
13:01:58  * andythenorth tt-forums
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13:05:30  <supermop_Home_> andythenorth have you considered using forum spam to advertise your company?
13:05:39  <andythenorth> not recently
13:05:49  <andythenorth> I have been a forum spammer for flash games historically
13:05:57  <andythenorth> it doesn't work very well
13:20:05  <FLHerne> andythenorth: Do you get utterly ludicrous proposals from 'SEO' companies?
13:20:16  <andythenorth> probably
13:20:24  <andythenorth> I don't read my email much
13:20:35  <FLHerne> Every so often, we get a poorly-worded email from people who want to improve our online reputation
13:21:11  <FLHerne> They will do this by creating, with little input from us, many Wordpress websites containing links to each other and important SEO keywords, that say good things about our product
13:21:32  <FLHerne> Optionally they will spam online reviews
13:21:45  <FLHerne> Sometimes they even go to the effort of producing customized examples
13:21:53  <FLHerne> Which have to be seen to be believed
13:23:17  <FLHerne> "Applause was overwhelmingly loud :twisted:"?
13:23:51  <andythenorth> I was feeling froody
13:24:08  <FLHerne> I mean, it's a bugfix release with a couple of patches, you expect jubilation?
13:24:21  <FLHerne> That'll be when NML Stations comes out
13:25:22  <andythenorth> crickets for a newgrf release is fairly commong
13:25:24  <andythenorth> -g
13:25:44  <andythenorth> but NML only seems to attract griping
13:27:05  <FLHerne> Well, yeah
13:27:16  <FLHerne> No-one actually *wants* to write NML
13:27:22  <FLHerne> They want to make their grf work
13:27:46  <FLHerne> And NML is always in the way of that, because we don't have a working do_what_i_mean {} block
13:31:43  <andythenorth> I guess when I gripe about stuff, I expect to also be involved in fixing it :P
13:31:49  <andythenorth> maybe other people aren't me
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13:41:04  <Timberwolf> I think there's "gripe because I understand it and want it to be better", "gripe because I don't understand it and can't find the resources to help me", and "gripe because I want someone else to do it for me".
13:41:28  <Timberwolf> The first tends to be, "and I'm happy to get involved in fixing it"
13:43:32  <Timberwolf> People in the last category like pretending to be in the first :)
14:00:57  <andythenorth> I don't know why or how it happened
14:01:16  <andythenorth> but I got indoctrinated somewhere that 'complaining' is a synonym for 'volunteering'
14:10:39  <Eddi|zuHause> more like "being volunteered" :p
14:15:45  <FLHerne> Timberwolf: The more of your pixels I see, the more stunned I am
14:16:49  <andythenorth> it is breakout
14:18:07  <FLHerne> It's like a whole new style of OTTD graphics, but unlike the other whole new styles it still fits reasonably with the various existing grfs
14:18:23  <FLHerne> Also, you've drawn all my favourite trains :D
14:18:57  <andythenorth> all newgrfs should only be UK trains
14:20:13  <FLHerne> But there are UK trams
14:31:11  <Timberwolf> Thanks :). I should find all the old screenshots of Road Vehicles and track how that style evolved (from the original too-tall RVs to the stations)
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16:49:48  <KJS> Not sure if anyone is here, or can help.....
16:51:57  <FLHerne> KJS: With?
16:52:06  <KJS> Somehow in OpenTTD 10.4 I have mixed up the cargo's and train vehicles.   For example the livestock car only hauls building material, not livestock.   I have uninstalled a few times,  cleaned up the registry everything I can think of but the issue (and the installed GRF's) wont go away.   How do I fix this?
16:54:39  <FLHerne> KJS: Have you edited the newgrfs during the game?
16:55:51  <FLHerne> Sometimes that sort of thing happens, which is why there's a bright red warning dialog
16:56:12  <FLHerne> (also, 10.4 isn't an OpenTTD version that exists yet)
16:56:18  <FLHerne> `
16:56:31  <KJS> did not know I could.   So guessing no.   I have in the NEW GRF opening off the main menu ( where you install GRF's make senarios etc) added and deleted GRF's from the default.    but I can not find where to delete GRF's from the computer/OpenTTD
16:56:55  <FLHerne> KJS: Can you upload the savegame somewhere?
16:57:19  <KJS> Sorry you are correct, it is version 1.10.3
16:57:57  <FLHerne> "NEW GRF opening off the main menu ( where you install GRF's make senarios etc) added and deleted GRF's from the default"  <- that should be fine
16:58:02  <KJS> Yes, but the issue stays around even after deleting all of openttd and reinstalled and creating a new game
16:58:14  <FLHerne> Hm
16:58:29  <FLHerne> In that case, what set of grfs do you have enabled?
16:58:43  <FLHerne> It's possible they just don't work well together
16:59:17  <FLHerne> For example, more than one industry set (that aren't deliberately made to work together) can cause strange cargo effects
16:59:57  <FLHerne> "Building material" doesn't exist in the base game, so you definitely have at least one industry grf
17:00:29  <KJS> I think I dound a folder I did not delete...
17:00:58  <KJS> the openttd in documents.     I was going after the openttd in appdata
17:01:04  <FLHerne> KJS: https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/blob/master/docs/directory_structure.md
17:01:31  <FLHerne> You should just be able to disable all newgrfs in the settings
17:01:40  <FLHerne> Deleting them shouldn't be necessary
17:01:55  <KJS> Did that but does not fix the problem.....
17:02:55  <FLHerne> KJS: So the list "Active NewGRF Files" is empty, and you clicked 'Apply' ?
17:03:20  <FLHerne> And when you start a *new* game, you still see Building Materials?
17:03:38  <FLHerne> That would be an unusual kind of bug
17:03:55  <Wormnest> KJS: Did you refit the vehicles to the correct cargo you wanted?
17:04:36  <KJS> refit as in the game when the train is in the depot.
17:05:02  <KJS> Tried but the option to livestock was not there for the livestock car
17:08:10  <KJS> trying a last reinstall
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17:17:18  <KJS> Looks like deleting the files in the \users\uid\documents\openttd did the trick
17:17:35  <andythenorth> seems a bizarre bug
17:17:47  <andythenorth> doesn't fit the normal model of how the game works
17:21:04  <KJS> trust me to manage to find the odd bugs.    Actually quite good at it :)
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17:49:16  <TrueBrain> frosch123: https://gist.github.com/TrueBrain/454c07fe4cb36a67340b7cc6fc2f496d <- I think I converted it correctly :P Awaiting AWS limit extensions to try it out :D
17:49:25  <TrueBrain> (I hit a silly limit in our deployment :P)
17:55:57  <frosch123> looks plausible. no idea whether 301 is the right code, or whether it should be 303
17:58:19  <TrueBrain> hmm, 303 has some odities
17:58:22  <TrueBrain> a 307 would be possible too
17:58:42  <TrueBrain> in general, don't use 302 and 303 .. use 301 or 307 :P
18:01:05  <frosch123> 302 is deprecated. eints and bananas1.5 use 303
18:01:50  <TrueBrain> 303 for APIs is fine, if you mean: I handled your request, now look here :)
18:01:58  <TrueBrain> for a redirect is is a bit unusual :)
18:02:24  <TrueBrain> (also has to do what is being cached and how etc)
18:04:32  <TrueBrain> where does BaNaNaS1.5 use 303 btw?
18:04:36  <TrueBrain> I thought it only did 302s?
18:04:46  <TrueBrain> (because .. flask)
18:05:37  <frosch123> i think 302 is magic for "use 302 for http1.0 and 303 for http 1.1"
18:05:42  <frosch123> but maybe that was bottle only
18:05:57  <TrueBrain> 302 is a fucked up response code, and people should just use 307 :)
18:06:06  <TrueBrain> 302/307 is: still use the same method on this URL, including the body you used
18:06:11  <TrueBrain> 303 is: use GET on this URL
18:07:01  <TrueBrain> so you can only use 303 if you know what you are doing, basically :D
18:07:11  <frosch123> yes, and GET is the intention. "go login to github", not "post the grfeditrequest to github"
18:07:43  <frosch123> grfsearch.js also transforms the params, so 307 is weird
18:09:08  <TrueBrain> that is why it is a 301 :)
18:09:16  <TrueBrain> BaNaNaS login does a 302 btw
18:09:24  <TrueBrain> which arguably is wrong .. but 302 is very weird
18:09:28  <TrueBrain> most browsers "do the right thing"
18:09:39  <TrueBrain> it is one of the least explicit HTTP status codes out there :)
18:09:42  <TrueBrain> we should ban 302 :P
18:10:10  <TrueBrain> curl -v -X POST https://bananas.openttd.org/login -d 'github' return a 302 with the github URL in Location header
18:12:29  <TrueBrain> guess "more correct" would be if we change that in a 303 :)
18:15:49  <frosch123> i think there is a central redirect() method in helpers.py
18:15:54  <frosch123> so, easy to change for everytrhing
18:16:05  <TrueBrain> go for it :D Make sure to test it first ;)
18:16:09  <frosch123> or api.py? can'T remember
18:16:13  <TrueBrain> who knows what browsers do ....
18:18:47  <TrueBrain> it seems likely CloudFront is not caching 303s
18:19:14  <TrueBrain> so for the grfsearch it might be a bit unwanted
18:19:27  <TrueBrain> although, not caching .. it doesn't really matter with the amount of traffic :P
18:21:42  <TrueBrain> (not relevant for BaNaNaS, as it is not behind CloudFront :D)
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18:38:45  <LordAro> https://http.cat/302
18:43:31  <TrueBrain> <3
18:44:09  <frosch123> who is the guy at 451?
18:45:05  <TrueBrain> at least they have https://http.cat/418
19:01:35  <LordAro> frosch123: presumably the guy that wrote Farenheit 451
19:02:57  <frosch123> yeah, looks similar
19:06:37  <frosch123> i was wondering whether it was a james bond villain. never would have guessed the author
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21:00:30  <TrueBrain> awh, my grfsearch javascript seems to fail .. what did I do wrong ...
21:00:56  <TrueBrain> searchgrfid doesn't seem to work
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21:25:38  <TrueBrain> okay, there we go .. now lets validate the 1600+ unique requests done last 90 days, old vs new, see what it says :)
21:27:42  <TrueBrain> URL encoding differs .. interesting :P
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