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02:31:43  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] FLHerne opened pull request #168: WIP: Various CodeQL fixes https://git.io/JTbA9
02:50:00  <supermop_Home> still not looking great
02:51:23  <FLHerne> The election, or my patches? :p
02:51:30  <FLHerne> (I think it's true of either)
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04:32:15  <supermop_Home> ugh
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10:59:50  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] akoscomp opened issue #77: [hu_HU] Translator access request https://git.io/JTN6U
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13:55:25  <supermop_Home> hello
14:07:04  <longtomjr> hi
14:10:59  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] glx22 commented on pull request #168: WIP: Various CodeQL fixes https://git.io/JTNpG
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14:11:46  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] glx22 commented on issue #75: [cs_CZ] Translator access request https://git.io/JTdKf
14:12:59  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] glx22 commented on issue #77: [hu_HU] Translator access request https://git.io/JTN6U
14:13:26  <andythenorth> yo
14:14:05  <andythenorth> ships are such a pissy thing to add to the game
14:14:34  <TrueBrain> so .. don't! :P
14:14:55  <andythenorth> no!
14:15:03  <andythenorth> that's accepting defeat!
14:15:05  <andythenorth> we must win
14:15:21  <glx> TrueBrain: somehow the bot didn't see https://github.com/OpenTTD/team/issues/76
14:15:38  <TrueBrain> "somehow" is easy, because it doesn't have the right label
14:15:45  <TrueBrain> I think one of the mobile apps doesn't do this correctly
14:16:02  <glx> oh so if I manually add it it's ok ?
14:16:03  <TrueBrain> you have 1 of 2 choices: ask the user to make a new ticket, this time with a real browser, or add the user manually to the right time and act like you are DorpsGek :)
14:16:15  <TrueBrain> time? team ..
14:16:43  <TrueBrain> it is always okay to do it manually; DorpsGek is just here to make life a bit easier and less repetitive :)
14:19:50  <TrueBrain> I btw thing more specific that it is the iOS app from GitHub, that is failing in to its job properly :)
14:27:08  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] glx22 commented on issue #76: [fr_FR] Translator access request https://git.io/JTbKi
14:27:08  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] glx22 closed issue #76: [fr_FR] Translator access request https://git.io/JTbKi
14:30:06  <TrueBrain> https://wiki.staging.openttd.org/File/en/OpenttdManual.png <- now tells you where images are being used :D
14:32:55  <TrueBrain> and I fixed many small bugs and other odds and ends
14:33:15  <TrueBrain> https://wiki.staging.openttd.org/Template/en/Table%20of%20contents.mediawiki <- also tells you on templates where it is being used
14:46:24  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] FLHerne commented on pull request #168: WIP: Various CodeQL fixes https://git.io/JTAeN
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16:37:24  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/grfcodec] glx22 commented on pull request #9: Fix various issues with MinGW build https://git.io/JTA3U
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16:40:07  <andythenorth> beer tanker http://www.irishships.com/images/Photo%20Album/Guinness%20boats/Lady%20Patricia%20and%20Pilot%20boat%201992.JPG
16:43:44  <Eddi|zuHause> what makes that different from any other liquid?
16:45:04  <FLHerne> You get drunk if you drink it
16:45:26  <FLHerne> And if there's a shipwreck, all the whales get tipsy
16:45:27  <Eddi|zuHause> as opposed to killing you outright, you mean?
16:48:28  <FLHerne> I know road milk tankers are much harder to drive than fuel tankers
16:48:31  <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause it's mostly regulatory :P
16:48:42  <FLHerne> Because they're not allowed to have slosh bulkheads, for easier cleaning
16:48:52  <FLHerne> But ship tanks are so big I doubt that's relevant
16:48:58  <andythenorth> oh is that why the rollover a lot FLHerne?
16:49:05  <FLHerne> Yes
16:49:06  <Eddi|zuHause> what's a slosh bulkhead?
16:49:13  <andythenorth> for Hog, most of the milk tanker photos I found were on their side
16:49:15  <FLHerne> A bulkhead to stop the contents sloshing
16:49:20  <andythenorth> due to newsworthy-ness
16:49:36  <andythenorth> road tanker slosh animations is a whole YouTube sub-genre
16:49:43  <andythenorth> things I learnt
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17:00:54  <TrueBrain> https://wiki.staging.openttd.org/File/es/OpenttdManual.png <- some people translated the text on the image :D
17:01:08  <TrueBrain> https://wiki.staging.openttd.org/File/it/OpenttdManual.png
17:01:10  <TrueBrain> etc :P
17:01:15  <TrueBrain> people are WEIRD
17:01:29  <TrueBrain> who does that :D
17:02:51  <andythenorth> that is a comprehensive i18n strategy
17:03:26  <TrueBrain> it is possibly the weirdest thing I have seen on our wiki :)
17:13:28  <frosch123> TrueBrain: i can beat that :p
17:14:22  <frosch123> TrueBrain: https://wiki.openttd.org/Szablon:-/Pl <- that page is in the pole position on my list
17:23:34  <TrueBrain> frosch123: lol ... poor people ...
17:24:12  <TrueBrain> I fixed that you cannot make pages in odd places .. folders are created otherwise automatically .. Files is nearly there ..
17:24:23  <frosch123> \o/
17:24:25  <TrueBrain> main issue currently: you can make a page in File/ folder .. which should of course be: upload a file :P
17:24:28  <TrueBrain> but that is on the TODO
17:24:49  <TrueBrain> case-checking is not in there yet, neither is renaming .. something for tomorrow I think
17:25:22  <LordAro> just host it on a windows server, will do case checking for free!
17:25:22  <TrueBrain> I tried to make it so that if you link to a page of another language, that language is added in the title, so: "OpenTTD's Wiki (nl)", etc
17:25:42  <TrueBrain> LordAro: we have a Dutch saying for that: dusssssss
17:26:16  <TrueBrain> frosch123: I couldn't really find a nice way to tell people to make an issue/PR for folder renaming btw .. not sure where that should go honestly
17:26:53  <TrueBrain> maybe a help-section of some kind
17:27:42  <TrueBrain> Firefox insists I have a network portal active ... which I do not :P
17:27:45  <frosch123> TrueBrain: we need some wiki-dialect page. we accumulated some differences from mediawiki :)
17:28:02  <TrueBrain> we have wiki-pages for that, not? :D
17:28:11  <frosch123> i trashed them
17:28:17  <TrueBrain> :D
17:28:29  <TrueBrain> I was thinking of putting a link on the Edit page, which explains a thing or two
17:29:22  <TrueBrain> btw, really curious what performance is going to do if every file has a mediawiki attached to it ..
17:29:28  <frosch123> i am not sure what to put on ottd wiki pages, and what into md in truewiki
17:29:28  <TrueBrain> it doubles the amount of mediawiki files we will have :D
17:29:53  <frosch123> ok, i'll push File: today then :p
17:29:57  <TrueBrain> :D
17:30:10  <TrueBrain> fun other fact, you can transclude files there
17:30:24  <TrueBrain> so you could make a File which transcludes a Page which transcludes a Template ... it is really silly
17:32:42  <frosch123> let's hope we do not have to forward declare prototypes
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18:48:45  <andythenorth> hmm
18:48:56  <andythenorth> if I work on 2 Horse rosters simultaneously
18:49:01  <andythenorth> but only plan to release one initially
18:49:04  <andythenorth> what % done is it?
18:57:13  <frosch123> TrueBrain: those stupid emoticon images have licenses in their File: texts
18:58:49  <TrueBrain> frosch123: is that a problem?
18:59:12  <TrueBrain> https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1324004491612618752 <- if it wasn't so sad, it would be funny ..
18:59:22  <frosch123> no, i just finally found an image where the text contained something noticeable
18:59:48  <TrueBrain> :D SOMETHING USEFUL FOUND! OWH NOOOOO :p
19:00:35  <TrueBrain> owh, right, "Random Page" on mediawiki gives you one from ANY language
19:00:39  <TrueBrain> I never understood that anti-feature
19:01:24  <frosch123> originally it was meant to be "delete random page"
19:02:56  <TrueBrain> but you are reviewing all those 4000+ file mediawiki files, or what? :P
19:11:20  <frosch123> only enough to train the script :)
19:11:32  <TrueBrain> :D
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19:27:36  <frosch123> TrueBrain: https://wiki.openttd.org/Category:Translatable_files <- i guess that belongs to your image
19:28:12  <TrueBrain> sorry? My english translator fails on that sentence :(
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19:47:04  <andythenorth> so...how many generations of ships
19:47:05  <andythenorth> ?
19:47:11  <supermop_Home> 0
19:47:12  <supermop_Home> ?
19:47:24  <andythenorth> I was thinking 2
19:47:31  <andythenorth> also is rice + vegetables valid for dinner?
19:47:42  <supermop_Home> what vegetables?
19:47:50  <Eddi|zuHause> generations over what timeframe?
19:48:14  <andythenorth> yes
19:48:15  <Eddi|zuHause> 1700-1900, 1900-1950, 1950-?
19:48:16  <supermop_Home> dugout canoes
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19:48:31  <andythenorth> 1860-2050
19:48:45  <andythenorth> there have only been 4 evolutions in ship appearance in that time
19:48:50  <andythenorth> and I don't want to draw all of them
19:49:11  <Eddi|zuHause> i think they built sail ships until like 1920 or so
19:49:26  <andythenorth> they did, but I have ruled out sailing ships
19:49:28  <andythenorth> sails are hard
19:50:11  <Eddi|zuHause> you can do wheel-driven steam ships, but those would be river-only
19:50:20  <andythenorth> there were ocean going paddle steamers
19:50:24  <andythenorth> I have a plan for those....
19:50:34  <andythenorth> the hull and structure in many cases were the same
19:50:43  <andythenorth> and ships were converted to/from screw/paddles
19:50:57  <Eddi|zuHause> i'd say one generation every 50 years-ish?
19:51:33  <andythenorth> I think that would be optimum
19:51:34  <Eddi|zuHause> that'd be 4 generations
19:51:36  <andythenorth> yes
19:51:49  <andythenorth> I would like to do that, but each ship takes 1 week to draw
19:52:33  <andythenorth> I am thinking 1860-1900 limited selection
19:52:39  <andythenorth> 1900-1970 full selection steam
19:52:46  <andythenorth> 1970-end full selection diesel
19:53:05  <andythenorth> that doesn't really account for LNG, hydrogen power, innovative hull shapes etc
19:53:25  <Eddi|zuHause> 1970 seems a tad late for diesel?
19:54:01  <andythenorth> it's late to new-build steam yes
19:54:12  <andythenorth> 1940 would be better from an IRL perspective
19:54:35  <andythenorth> hmm the appearance of 1940 steam / diesel is identical except funnel details
19:54:36  <andythenorth> and smoke
19:54:49  <andythenorth> maybe I could transition the power type without changing anything else
19:55:14  <Eddi|zuHause> could settle for 1950-ish
19:55:27  <andythenorth> supermop_Home carrots, black kale, beans, rice?
19:55:32  <andythenorth> no meat or cheese
19:55:35  <Eddi|zuHause> and have 2000+ variants as "stretch goal" :)
19:55:47  <Eddi|zuHause> in case you're ever bored :p
19:55:59  <andythenorth> well yes
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21:36:38  <frosch123> TrueBrain: pushed the result of today
21:36:54  <frosch123> all File:*mediawiki are new
21:37:04  <frosch123> Page transclusions are still missing
21:37:30  <frosch123> i trashed some more categories
21:37:52  <frosch123> and tried to magically sort templates/categories/files into folders like the pages
21:38:04  <frosch123> works in a lot of cases, but not all
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21:44:55  <TrueBrain> frosch123: cool; will benchmark tomorrow what the impact is on the server :D
21:46:01  <TrueBrain> well, I can take a quick look ofc :D
21:46:08  <TrueBrain> memory consumption is up, no surprise :P
21:46:22  <TrueBrain> 60MB instead of 55MB :P
21:47:23  <TrueBrain> hmm ... an exception when loading
21:47:38  <TrueBrain> it cannot find a file ... which is a bit odd :D
21:48:37  <TrueBrain> ah .. a file that has been moved .. hmm
21:48:38  <TrueBrain> interesting
21:49:02  <frosch123> most files have been moved :p
21:49:15  <TrueBrain> issue with my caching
21:49:26  <TrueBrain> it has a page as dependency, it tries to invalidate it,but OWH NO, IT IS NOT THERE :D
21:49:33  <frosch123> btw. "/Folder" without trailing / gives 500
21:50:17  <TrueBrain> hmm .. why is Sentry not picking it up when I do that on staging ..
21:50:25  <TrueBrain> ah, just slow
21:50:47  <TrueBrain> k, got the traceback, will fix :)
21:51:23  <frosch123> i edited the url manually, there was no link to that url
21:51:36  <TrueBrain> no [[Translation]] in File mediawikis?
21:52:30  <TrueBrain> no, seems there are none; I expected a few :)
21:52:50  <TrueBrain> okay, total RAM went up from 55 to 70, with these extra pages, which is all because of the metadata cache :)
21:52:54  <TrueBrain> not aweful
21:54:21  <TrueBrain> okay, otherwise this seems to work just fine :D Sweet .. mostly missing the translation tag
21:54:52  <TrueBrain> nice folder structure :)
21:55:50  <TrueBrain> you btw can't have a file called "Main Page" (as that is the index marker)
21:56:37  <frosch123> luckily there is none :)
21:57:24  <TrueBrain> but the translation, bug on your side, bug on my side?
21:57:43  <frosch123> but on my side
21:58:03  <TrueBrain> k :)
21:58:13  <TrueBrain> hmm ... folders in File don't list anything, that needs fixing
21:58:16  <TrueBrain> but not today :)
21:58:30  <TrueBrain> found some other bugs, will fix them up and deploy tomorrow to staging :D
21:58:41  <frosch123> the folders worked for me
21:58:41  <TrueBrain> means we also have working files \o/
21:58:50  <frosch123> missing indexing on your side?
21:59:11  <TrueBrain> http://127.0.0.1:8000/File/en/Manual/Intro%20screen.png <- won't work for you, but you get the idea: you can click on the breadcrumb there for Manual
21:59:16  <TrueBrain> which leads to http://127.0.0.1:8000/File/en/Manual/
21:59:20  <TrueBrain> which does not list the folder
21:59:25  <TrueBrain> (it tries to load Main Page, which does not exist)
21:59:35  <TrueBrain> it does work for http://127.0.0.1:8000/File/en/
21:59:47  <TrueBrain> and if you click on Manual there, you end up http://127.0.0.1:8000/Folder/File/en/Manual/ (it now has /Folder in the URL)
21:59:54  <TrueBrain> minor boo-boo on my side :)
22:00:15  <TrueBrain> dir-listing is really fast, I am happy with that. I was a bit afraid it would be slow with this many files, but it is fine
22:00:40  <TrueBrain> sweet :) This slowly is getting together :D
22:02:14  <frosch123> TrueBrain: haha, 127.0.0.1:8000 works for me :p
22:03:03  <frosch123> i had to check whether i cleaned the most obvious blood after moving all files
22:03:30  <TrueBrain> :D
22:05:45  <frosch123> i pushed the file translations
22:05:50  <TrueBrain> that is quick
22:06:09  <frosch123> either it does not work, or the indexer did not notice it
22:06:42  <frosch123> http://127.0.0.1:8000/File/en/Manual/ShowVehicleSpeed.png <- if you need an example
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22:07:31  <TrueBrain> works fine for me ...... after you add 3 lines of code :P
22:07:39  <TrueBrain> File namespace didn't render a language bar yet :)
22:08:00  <TrueBrain> sometimes I really surprise myself ... it "just works" :o
22:08:11  <TrueBrain> I think I found the correct balance of abstraction with namespaces :)
22:09:25  <TrueBrain> that image you gave, is a bit odd, as in:
22:09:37  <TrueBrain> in your export there is also the It language, which is nice
22:09:42  <TrueBrain> but on the current wiki there is also a de version
22:10:18  <TrueBrain> ah, not on any page
22:10:23  <TrueBrain> I guess that is why
22:10:41  <frosch123> ah, yes, translate an image, and then don't use it :)
22:10:51  <TrueBrain> cool, this works \o/
22:11:07  <TrueBrain> have some fixing to do, but nothing spectacular :)
22:11:14  <TrueBrain> guess tomorrow I will also try to allow file uploads :D
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22:13:06  <TrueBrain> nice work frosch123 , seriously.. nice work :D
22:13:22  <TrueBrain> Who would have seen this coming ... from migrating to new software to restructuring and cleaning out the bullshit :D
22:13:37  <TrueBrain> soon our wiki will be (slightly more) USEFUL :D
22:13:44  <TrueBrain> and frosch123 now knows every page .. so yeah :P
22:13:50  <TrueBrain> and now, zzzzz
22:14:18  <frosch123> yep, night :)
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