Log for #openttd on 8th November 2020:
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09:09:14  <andythenorth_> yo
09:09:23  <TrueBrain> hello
09:18:22  <TrueBrain> glad we had this conversation :D
09:18:54  <andythenorth_> wfm
09:19:08  * andythenorth_ making ships
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09:20:25  <TrueBrain> lol ... I found a nice bug in TrueWiki ... \r\n -> \n is missing :D
09:20:51  <TrueBrain> frosch123: request for migration: add a newline at end of file for all files :D
09:20:56  <TrueBrain> (and morning :) )
09:21:16  <frosch123> what does \r break?
09:21:25  <TrueBrain> diffs :)
09:21:26  <frosch123> or just uglyness?
09:21:36  <frosch123> ah, diffs
09:21:45  <TrueBrain> the only reason I found out, honestly :P
09:21:55  <frosch123> to templates change when they gain a \n at the end?
09:22:00  <frosch123> *do
09:22:21  <TrueBrain> newlines are pretty much ignored, but there can be some odd cases ..
09:22:26  <TrueBrain> all templates should be in <includeonly> blocks
09:22:31  <TrueBrain> but fair point, nevermind my request
09:22:43  <frosch123> i can do it for non-templates :)
09:22:52  <TrueBrain> nah; either for all or for none, honestly
09:23:05  <frosch123> ok, so just remove \r
09:23:19  <TrueBrain> replace("\r\n", "\n").replace("\r", "\n")
09:23:23  <TrueBrain> is what I now do on editing
09:23:36  <TrueBrain> \r\n is Windows, only \r is old Mac
09:23:43  <TrueBrain> I think
09:23:52  <TrueBrain> well, removing \r is better
09:23:53  <TrueBrain> lets do that
09:24:02  <TrueBrain> content.replace("\r", "")
09:24:04  <TrueBrain> there :P
09:24:11  <TrueBrain> now I don't have a diff anymore if I hit "save" :D
09:25:35  <TrueBrain> git-operations are not quick :D Saving takes a bit more time now :P
09:26:13  <frosch123> yep, when i migrate the whole history, it fill take hours :)
09:26:26  <Eddi|zuHause> content.replace("\r", "") <-- can't git do this for you with eol-style?
09:26:49  <TrueBrain> sure; but git-backend is optional
09:28:47  <TrueBrain> hmm .. how do I see the commiter of a git commit ..
09:29:30  <TrueBrain> None <None>
09:29:31  <TrueBrain> lol
09:33:22  <TrueBrain> Request-for-feedback:
09:33:30  <TrueBrain> how/where can I improve on commit messages?
09:33:39  <TrueBrain> (the logged in user was "test")
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10:01:00  <TrueBrain> I don't like spaces in page names, it makes commit messages look weird :P
10:01:10  <TrueBrain> but quoting them is even weirderderder
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10:02:18  <TrueBrain> meh; hopefully frosch123 has more inspiration than I have :P But "git commit" part is done .. now the "git push" part :D
10:14:17  <andythenorth_> %20 :P
10:14:26  <TrueBrain> no
10:15:00  <andythenorth_> I would have quoted them, but eh, YMMV
10:15:15  * andythenorth_ learning about boats
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10:36:44  <frosch123> TrueBrain: <- do it like git status?
10:37:21  <andythenorth_> ships are inconvenient
10:37:26  <andythenorth_> IRL is not arranged how I think it should be
10:37:40  <TrueBrain> frosch123: I was talking about the commit message itself
10:37:44  <TrueBrain> that is a single line
10:37:48  <TrueBrain> or .. hmm, no, that works
10:37:50  <TrueBrain> sure
10:37:58  <TrueBrain> not sure what the "git show" is showing?
10:38:10  <frosch123> yeah, ignore that, it's weird
10:38:45  <frosch123> i guess git status is mostly the same as what you already have
10:38:58  <TrueBrain> yup, but a bit better, I would say
10:39:02  <TrueBrain> we just cannot use our normal Add: etc
10:39:03  <frosch123> just "->" instead of "to"
10:39:48  <TrueBrain> a change is just "modified", right?
10:40:11  <frosch123> yes :)
10:40:26  <TrueBrain> I only made it "new page", instead of "new file" :P
10:42:18  <TrueBrain> okay .. so that leaves 1 item on my TODO for v1 :)
10:46:11  <frosch123> hmm, there are no \r in my conversion
10:47:58  <frosch123> yeah, i have to reject your request as "not reproducible" :)
10:49:57  <TrueBrain> I did not request you to remove \r, for the careful reader ;)
10:50:21  <TrueBrain> My request was about end of file newline :p
10:50:36  <TrueBrain> My code on the other hand did need a \r fix :D
10:51:51  <TrueBrain> It is however good to know mediawiki does something right :D
10:53:48  <frosch123> ok, "User:Pystro/Template:Link Translation" is way too complicated to migrate, but  luckily there are only 13 usages :)
10:54:11  <TrueBrain> :D
10:54:23  <TrueBrain> hmm .. I think it is easiest if I disallow ":" in page names btw
10:54:32  <TrueBrain> I can add support for it, but it makes the code complex ..
10:55:36  <frosch123> forbidden: ":|", non-printables, leading ".", leading/trailing ws  ?
10:55:53  <TrueBrain> and ".."
10:56:05  <frosch123> that's leading .
10:56:11  <TrueBrain> no
10:56:14  <TrueBrain> just anywhere
10:56:32  <TrueBrain> is also not allowed
10:56:33  <frosch123> ok, for parts separated by /
10:56:42  <TrueBrain> it doesn't split the /
10:56:47  <TrueBrain> it just scans the whole path
10:57:05  <frosch123> but "/" should also not allow neighbouring whitespace
10:57:39  <TrueBrain> I guess ...
10:57:42  <TrueBrain> so many exceptions! :P
11:00:57  <TrueBrain> okay, so the current rules:
11:01:11  <TrueBrain> in FULLPAGENAME, no "..", "|", or ":"
11:01:25  <TrueBrain> in every part of the FULLPAGENAME (so between the /), no starting or ending with " "  or "."
11:01:31  <TrueBrain> FULLPAGENAME cannot end with /
11:01:35  <TrueBrain> and no CCs
11:01:46  <TrueBrain> pretty sure people will find other annoying things to put in names :P
11:02:52  <frosch123> there is probably some js injection for ie6
11:03:13  <TrueBrain>
11:03:16  <TrueBrain> many more I can blacklist, it seems :P
11:03:48  <TrueBrain> # < > [ ] | { } _ will be blacklisted too :)
11:05:13  <frosch123> allow "_", we have a proper " "
11:06:11  <TrueBrain> but what use-case would _ be a valid use?
11:06:21  <TrueBrain> sounds that the user meant "  "  :P
11:06:37  <frosch123> ok :)
11:06:57  <Eddi|zuHause> a page about an identifier?
11:07:07  <frosch123> also, textareas are really broken in my ff version
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11:08:02  <TrueBrain> define "broken"
11:08:15  <TrueBrain> hmm ... a title with the name "&amp;"  is .. not doing what I expect it to do :D
11:08:46  <TrueBrain> I think I am missing some url escaping ..
11:08:51  <TrueBrain> and/or html escaping
11:08:53  <TrueBrain> that will be fun :D
11:09:31  <TrueBrain> same with %20 in names, also fun :D
11:09:38  <frosch123> i disabled spell checking now, it blocked the gui thread and disrupted editing
11:09:41  <TrueBrain> I would like to ban & and %, but there are legit uses for it ...
11:09:51  <TrueBrain> frosch123: ... lol :D
11:10:33  <Eddi|zuHause> for example, if someone was writing a wiki page about the setting "newgrf_developer", why would you assume the page title should be "newgrf developer"?
11:12:20  <Eddi|zuHause> on the other hand, if you allow "_", then you get ambiguity in the lookup
11:12:40  <TrueBrain> "A title can normally contain the character %. However it cannot contain % followed by two hexadecimal digits (which would cause it to be converted to a single character, by percent-encoding)." <- this .... wuth?
11:13:10  <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: I am only willing to allow "_", if we refuse a page named "A_B" and "A B" to both exist
11:13:19  <TrueBrain> but it is just easier to ban "_", honestly
11:13:51  <frosch123> TrueBrain: only because mediawiki authors did not know how to escape, you do not need to copy that
11:14:02  <TrueBrain> frosch123: I fully agree :)
11:14:15  <TrueBrain> well, I don't know how to escape either, clearly, but that is something I can hopefully fix :D
11:14:38  <TrueBrain> are there any characters not allowed by git?
11:15:17  <TrueBrain> * and " are not allowed on NTFS
11:15:20  <frosch123> depends whether you want to allow checkout on windows
11:15:31  <frosch123> backslash is difficult on windows
11:15:46  <TrueBrain> should we just ban those 3 chars?
11:15:49  <frosch123> LPT and CON are difficult
11:15:59  <Eddi|zuHause> i think windows bans a few more characters
11:16:19  <Eddi|zuHause> but i don't remember which ones
11:16:36  <frosch123> TrueBrain: \ did not work on mediawiki either. some user actually created a page containing \, but when trying to view it something converts it to /, and then reports 404
11:16:40  <TrueBrain> that is why I looked it up and came with those missing 3 Eddi|zuHause  ..
11:16:57  <TrueBrain> okay, so I banned \, * and " too
11:17:10  <frosch123> ? is allowed?
11:17:18  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm pretty sure ":" was also banned last time i tried
11:17:35  <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: yes ........ which we talked about 5 minutes earlier to already ban
11:17:57  <TrueBrain> frosch123: hmm ... both NTFS and mediawiki doesn't mention it
11:18:19  <TrueBrain> it does need url-escaping, ofc
11:19:07  <TrueBrain> FAT32 does ban ?, it seems
11:19:53  <Eddi|zuHause> i think FAT32 used ? to denote deleted files
11:20:16  <Eddi|zuHause> i could misremember that, though
11:20:30  <TrueBrain> ah, no, it is also reserved on NTFS
11:21:01  <TrueBrain> frosch123: I think I will escape ?, honestly
11:21:08  <TrueBrain> hmm .. buthow ..
11:21:09  <TrueBrain> hmmm
11:21:12  <TrueBrain> no, banning it is
11:21:34  <michi_cc> I think NTFS itself allows more characters than what userspace windows API will let through.
11:23:12  <TrueBrain> frosch123:
11:24:15  <frosch123> <> without & is weird, but okay
11:24:39  <TrueBrain> we can also just escape < > honestly
11:24:58  <TrueBrain> ah, no, <> is not allowed by NTFS
11:25:01  <TrueBrain> I just change the comment :D
11:25:04  <frosch123> i still don't get why you put such a focus on "..", when the problem applies to "." after "/"
11:25:32  <TrueBrain> frosch123: because any URL you try to access with ".." anywhere, will give you a 404
11:25:35  <frosch123> do you want to allow hidden pages? :)
11:25:58  <TrueBrain> and again, there is ALSO a filter on starting/ending with " "  and "." per split on /
11:26:11  <TrueBrain> so a page cannot be named ".bla"
11:26:52  <Eddi|zuHause> so no wiki page on "~/.openttd" :p
11:28:01  <TrueBrain> for the "..", code just becomes a lot easier if you ban access to any URL containing ".."
11:28:20  <TrueBrain>
11:29:41  <TrueBrain> frosch123: maybe eaasier:
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11:29:43  <TrueBrain> the full patch :)
11:30:32  <TrueBrain> let me know if I missed something or if you know a cleaner way to write that function :D
11:33:59  <frosch123> i think there were cases with a trailing "."
11:34:03  <frosch123> let's check
11:34:23  <TrueBrain> T.I.M.
11:34:24  <frosch123> ah, yes, the "T.I.M." engine
11:34:24  <TrueBrain> lol
11:34:37  <TrueBrain> the others are typos, I guess
11:34:47  <TrueBrain> The parameters of the xUSSR set.
11:34:54  <TrueBrain> that makes little sense to have a dot there in the title :)
11:35:05  <frosch123> yes, they are just translations of whole sentences :)
11:35:14  <frosch123> but "CS-Inc." is the same as "T.I.M."
11:35:17  <TrueBrain> but okay, only lstrip on dot it is :)
11:35:44  <frosch123> again, same evolution in the conversion scripts :p
11:37:42  <TrueBrain> :D
11:37:43  <TrueBrain> updated the PR
11:38:09  <frosch123> TrueBrain: i think leading / and // are also invalid, so the split loop could check for part.strip() == ""
11:40:24  <TrueBrain> good point
11:40:30  <TrueBrain> now I really need to rewrite this function, but okay
11:40:33  <TrueBrain> pushed a new version for now
11:41:02  <TrueBrain> I split off the "ending with /"  and "starting with /", as that requires a different message to make clear to the user what is going on
11:44:00  <frosch123> such magic :)
11:44:20  <TrueBrain> and now it is a lot more readable :P
11:44:25  <TrueBrain> applied some DRY
11:45:24  <TrueBrain> right, now lunch, after lunch ... htmlencode and urlescape ... that will be FUN!
11:45:26  <TrueBrain> (NOT)
11:46:55  <frosch123> (" ",)   <- what emoticon is that? :)
11:47:06  <TrueBrain> :D
11:47:10  <TrueBrain> ghehe :D
11:47:47  <TrueBrain> why doesn't GitHub cancel actions of an earlier PR, I wonder ..
11:47:53  <TrueBrain> or why is that not configurable
11:48:04  <TrueBrain> it is now running 10+ CodeQL checks on outdated commits
11:49:28  <frosch123> maybe they think they charge for each one
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11:58:21  <andythenorth_> oof
11:58:23  <andythenorth_> is it lunch?
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12:06:00  <frosch123> breakfast?
12:08:04  <andythenorth_> achieved that already
12:08:08  <andythenorth_> badge unlocked
12:10:00  * andythenorth_ deletes and adds ships
12:10:04  <frosch123> some daily quets are pretty grindy
12:10:08  <andythenorth_> yeah
12:10:25  <andythenorth_> I have some annoying reminders about missions
12:10:36  <andythenorth_> and at the end there's no level up, it's just a silly badge
12:10:42  <andythenorth_> then do it all again tomorrow
12:21:04  <TrueBrain> bah, it is difficult to detect if the user made no change, yet hit the "save page" button :P
12:39:50  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] smierlo opened issue #8338: Errornous subsidy for valuables
12:40:27  <TrueBrain> oef, supporting % in page names is a lot more tricky than it sounds ...
12:40:34  <TrueBrain> I get why mediawiki just bans %20 etc
12:40:50  <TrueBrain> it depends on where a pagename is used what you have to do with it
12:41:02  <TrueBrain> as in a href, you have to do different things,than anywhere else
13:00:13  <frosch123> is it not putting all hrefs through urlencode?
13:01:31  <TrueBrain> but finding all the places to do so, that is the issue :D
13:03:54  <frosch123> 7 in wikitexthtml, 7 in truewiki. what am i missing?
13:05:00  <frosch123> i guess img src :)
13:05:28  <TrueBrain> check templates/ in truewiki :)
13:06:01  <frosch123> is there a urlencode parser function?
13:06:36  <TrueBrain> urllib.parse.quote
13:07:13  <frosch123> i mean for wikitext. {{urlencode|/edit/{{FULLPAGENAME}}}}
13:07:29  <frosch123> something to use in templates/
13:08:38  <TrueBrain> so you now understand why I say it is tricky :)
13:08:56  <TrueBrain> you have to deal with HTML escaping and URL quoting
13:08:59  <TrueBrain> and .. ugh ..
13:09:07  <TrueBrain> but I am slowly working my way through it, don't worry
13:09:11  <TrueBrain> I just get why mediawiki bans it
13:09:26  <frosch123> ok, may python be with you :)
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13:17:40  <TrueBrain> a page named "test&amp;%20test and & this % with" seem to be the best test case out there :P
13:24:05  <frosch123> add " and ', unless you banned both
13:29:43  <TrueBrain> only "
13:29:45  <TrueBrain> ' is allowed
13:29:47  <TrueBrain> and good point
13:35:09  <TrueBrain> hmm .. "used on page" only detects templates
13:35:13  <TrueBrain> not pages linking to you
13:35:19  <TrueBrain> so you can rename a page, even so other pages link to you
13:35:46  <TrueBrain> not even indexed, which pages link to you
13:35:47  <TrueBrain> well, for 1.1
13:36:00  <frosch123> mediawiki add a "(linked)" or "(transcluded)" after every what-links-here item
13:36:32  <TrueBrain> so you can now rename pages that we most likely don't want to have renamable :)
13:37:12  <frosch123> adding redirects is easier, but messier :)
13:37:49  <TrueBrain> messier, yes :)
13:38:02  <TrueBrain> I would prefer if we can avoid any redirect system, honestly
13:39:01  <TrueBrain>  new page: en/test&amp;%20test and & this % with ' and the end
13:39:02  <TrueBrain> haha
13:39:53  <TrueBrain> okay, now to test images ..
13:55:37  <TrueBrain> right ... longest I took to fix any bug in TrueWiki so far :P
14:03:31  <TrueBrain>
14:03:33  <TrueBrain> PFFFFFTTTTTT
14:03:34  <TrueBrain> but it works
14:03:45  <TrueBrain> pretty sure I forgot some src/href somewhere :)
14:04:06  <TrueBrain> but even the GitHub history URLs should work :)
14:06:56  <frosch123> haha, let's hope there is no githubencode :)
14:07:00  <FLHerne> Thoughts on a "Tooling: " or so commit prefix?
14:07:19  <FLHerne> For changes to actions, flake8 rules, blah
14:07:58  <FLHerne> It seems a bit odd to be writing Add/Fix/Codechange etc. for things that aren't actually part of the deployed codebase
14:08:06  <TrueBrain> what we do in other repos, is still tell if it is an Add or Fix or what-ever, and add a [Actions] after the :
14:08:22  <TrueBrain> because you are fixing the Actions, for example
14:08:28  <FLHerne> NML is the same, I was just wondering if we should keep doing that :p
14:08:40  <TrueBrain> well, in your reasoning, the commits should not show up, basically :)
14:08:54  <TrueBrain> but git log has little to do with the deployed codebase tbh
14:09:27  <TrueBrain> but adapting a more modern commit messages would also solve it .. but we had that debate a few months ago :P
14:09:31  <TrueBrain> were a lot of NAYs :)
14:09:48  <TrueBrain> as I would call it a chore() commit :P
14:10:28  <FLHerne> "more modern"?
14:11:09  <TrueBrain> lot of projects switched to a commit message format which allows tooling to create changelogs etc
14:11:35  <TrueBrain> they use the "type(scope): subject" format
14:11:58  <TrueBrain> one of the types is "build", or "ci", or "docs"
14:12:17  <TrueBrain> it allows you to make commits as feat(), meaning they should be highlighted in the changelog
14:12:31  <TrueBrain> is a pretty decent write-up about that
14:13:25  <TrueBrain> basically, the type splits the commits in "development"  and "production" changes
14:13:43  <TrueBrain> what you referred to as "deployed codebase", I guess
14:14:17  <FLHerne> Nope, I don't like that format :p
14:14:27  <TrueBrain> I am in no way surprised ;)
14:14:37  <TrueBrain> but this is what many many projects are currently using :)
14:15:28  <TrueBrain> getting to change #openttd in any of this is like trying to move a building ....... :P
14:16:21  <TrueBrain> frosch123: <- w00p, & didn't break anything :D
14:17:50  <TrueBrain>;%20and%20%2520%20and%20'
14:18:34  <FLHerne> TrueBrain: What you need is a set of those modular transporter thingies with hundreds of little wheels, then
14:18:45  <FLHerne> Perhaps andy can draw some for you
14:18:50  <TrueBrain> FLHerne: :D
14:20:17  <frosch123> what that filesize thingie always there?
14:22:20  <TrueBrain> well, "always" is such a weird word to use :P
14:22:27  <TrueBrain> but I added it when I created the File pages
14:22:57  <TrueBrain> you don't like it, or? :)
14:22:58  <frosch123> didn't notice yet :)
14:23:39  <TrueBrain> mediawiki had it, and I liked it enough to add it
14:24:03  <TrueBrain> although I am using the correct SI units
14:24:09  <TrueBrain> mediawiki has a weird opinion about those :P
14:24:45  <TrueBrain> although ... hmm, no, I pretty sure I divided by 1024 ... still wrong :P
14:24:56  <frosch123> kiB :)
14:24:59  <TrueBrain> well, mediawiki is more wrong :P
14:25:05  <TrueBrain> (they use KB)
14:25:08  <TrueBrain> no clue what KB is ..
14:25:11  <TrueBrain> it is not SI at least :)
14:25:26  <TrueBrain> isn't it KiB btw? Let me check
14:25:38  <TrueBrain> it is
14:25:52  <frosch123> that's weird
14:26:07  <frosch123> so it's not just "insert 'i' where it looks funny"
14:26:38  <frosch123> TrueBrain: mediawiki uses JEDEC obviously :p
14:27:10  <TrueBrain> hahaha, yeah .. right :P
14:27:22  <TrueBrain> owh,it is not even SI, it is IEC
14:27:23  <TrueBrain> fine
14:28:40  <TrueBrain> right, fix is being deployed :)
14:28:43  <TrueBrain> that is how we roll :)
14:29:05  <TrueBrain> ignoring the "git push", I think this is ready to be tested
14:29:10  <TrueBrain> see if people can break it :P
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15:13:23  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on issue #8338: Errornous subsidy for valuables
15:13:23  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 closed issue #8338: Errornous subsidy for valuables
15:20:53  <frosch123> editing templates without proper preview is so frustrating on mediawiki... i have such high hopes for truewiki :)
15:38:42  <Eddi|zuHause> wait... it's not called "nowiki"? :p
15:44:50  <FLHerne> yawiki?
15:45:49  <FLHerne> WIKI Interactive Knowledge Interface?
15:48:57  <FLHerne> OpenMW? (wait, that's taken)
16:04:12  <andythenorth_> FLHerne can you find any dedicated ships for carrying plastic pellets, grain, etc? :P
16:04:30  <andythenorth_> I can only find pneumatic-discharge cement carriers
16:06:15  <longtomjr> andythenorth_,
16:07:03  <longtomjr>
16:07:07  <andythenorth_> is that a regular bulker?
16:07:21  <longtomjr> dunno, reading the wikipedia page now
16:07:43  <longtomjr> Owned by the Canadian ~Weed~ Wheat board
16:08:12  <andythenorth_> there are a few on the Snake River in Idaho
16:09:24  <longtomjr> I find plastic pellets linked to container ships
16:10:43  <longtomjr> andythenorth_, some reading required, but they go into what is required for bulk grain ships
16:12:38  <longtomjr> This process may be carried far enough to cause the growth of moulds and bacteria and, in the case of grain, to cause sprouting. Ship malted wiskey
16:12:53  <longtomjr> (that sentance were meant to be in quotes)
16:13:19  <andythenorth_> I can't find any ship equivalent of
16:13:27  <longtomjr> andythenorth_, here is a infographic that you can use to see a 3d model of the Equinox class
16:13:28  <longtomjr>
16:13:38  <longtomjr> it will take some time to load since webarchive
16:14:23  <longtomjr> Looks like the Equinox is used for Grain and Iron Ore from some articles
16:16:01  <longtomjr> Seems like it does grain one way, and the ore on the return
16:16:54  <longtomjr> Is this helping?
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16:18:19  <Eddi|zuHause> longtomjr: sounds like a regular bulker, then
16:18:29  <longtomjr> with covers
16:19:53  <longtomjr> Hmm, seems like big bulk ships does have hatchcovers pretty commonly
16:20:35  <andythenorth_> mini-bulkers sometimes don't
16:20:39  <longtomjr> it might just be the barges that does not.
16:20:40  <andythenorth_> if used on rivers and lakes
16:21:51  <longtomjr> Are you looking to split up bulk carriers between cargo lines?
16:22:12  <andythenorth_> maybe
16:22:17  <andythenorth_> it's 50:50
16:22:43  <andythenorth_> might do covered bulker for sheltered cargos
16:23:29  <longtomjr> Maybe do a set of small bulkers, where there are covered and uncovered veriaties, and then have the big ones all be the same?
16:25:37  <longtomjr> Then you have a split on the lower end of the capacities, but a merged line for the big ones?
16:25:42  <longtomjr> Or is that too confusing?
16:27:05  <longtomjr> this is nice:
16:27:22  <longtomjr>
16:29:43  <longtomjr>
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16:45:08  <andythenorth_> very definitely covered
16:49:22  <frosch123> what... 556, did not expect that
16:50:08  <frosch123> changing 2 templates halfed the number of errors :p
16:51:58  <TrueBrain> Almost there :D
16:53:33  <frosch123> it's so random. sometimes i change something and think "this will reduce a lot", and then it's like -50 errors. and then you change something because it annoys you, and it changes a lot
17:04:27  <TrueBrain> The shitshow we call wikitext :p
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17:51:39  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] DorpsGek pushed 1 commits to master
17:51:39  <DorpsGek_III>   - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
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18:43:49  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server-web] TrueBrain opened pull request #16: Fix: make sorting of servers a bit more robust
18:44:20  <TrueBrain> to proof people don't notify us when things break, turns out there were over 150 error events triggered by a server of which we failed to parse the version correctly .... and sentry didn't have alerts setup on that project, for what-ever reason :P
18:44:25  <TrueBrain> but okay, this should fix that :D
18:45:26  <TrueBrain> all other repos do have alerts setup
18:45:32  <TrueBrain> Sentry can be a bit annoying in configuring projects :D
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18:52:52  <frosch123> TrueBrain: there are some File: pages that link to LICENSE
18:52:56  <frosch123> what to do with that?
18:53:07  <frosch123> is there a url that works? or should i move the license?
18:54:39  <TrueBrain> well, we should have a license in the root for GitHub. But that should be in Markdown, as that means GitHub can render it
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18:54:56  <TrueBrain> and either we make an exception for License to be on /License, or we move it into Page/en/
18:55:01  <TrueBrain> but I am afraid people will try to translate it
18:55:52  <frosch123> <- markdown is not needed
18:56:09  <frosch123> (i got there via githubs "license" link)
18:56:27  <TrueBrain> wuth, GitHub can render wikitext?
18:56:28  <TrueBrain> lol
18:56:42  <frosch123> same as github wiki
18:56:48  <frosch123> but it's the same broken wikicloth
18:56:51  <TrueBrain> ah
18:56:53  <TrueBrain> okay
18:56:57  <TrueBrain> so I can make this a special URL, sure
18:57:45  <TrueBrain> at /License good ?
18:57:53  <frosch123> yep
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19:05:10  <frosch123> 347 :)
19:05:18  <frosch123> i like this andy game
19:06:19  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] FLHerne updated pull request #168: WIP: Various CodeQL fixes
19:07:01  <andythenorth> it's a good game
19:08:30  <TrueBrain> frosch123: want to do something else for a bit? could use a review :P
19:09:08  <andythenorth> I don't think we've played 'newgrf spec' enough recently :P
19:09:10  <andythenorth> oof
19:09:38  <TrueBrain> and is in the process of being merged / going to staging, that should resolve the license issue :)
19:10:02  <TrueBrain> hmm .. you can now only not link to it with [[License]] or something
19:10:57  <TrueBrain> well, you somewhat can, but it is not seen as a valid page, I guess .. I can fix that
19:11:43  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] FLHerne updated pull request #168: CodeQL fixes and other misc. cleanups
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19:13:20  <TrueBrain> okay, frosch123 , I assumed it would be [[License]] . If so, that will work :)
19:13:36  <frosch123> yes, i already pushed that
19:14:02  <frosch123> TrueBrain: isnumeric() looks really wrong, but isdigit() is not much better
19:14:12  <frosch123> possibly isdigit() && isascii() may work
19:14:52  <TrueBrain> it is a shitshow left or right
19:14:55  <TrueBrain> does it matter, I wondered
19:15:21  <TrueBrain> isdecimal() might be better, but .. meh
19:17:16  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server-web] TrueBrain updated pull request #16: Fix: make sorting of servers a bit more robust
19:17:59  <TrueBrain> isdecimal() works fine for this usecase :)
19:18:27  <frosch123> i think the last return is missing an item
19:18:29  <TrueBrain> (as int() on that works :P)
19:18:36  <frosch123> it return 6 items now, right?
19:18:45  <frosch123> *should
19:18:50  <andythenorth> probably doesn't solve those cases
19:18:58  <TrueBrain> frosch123: you are correct!
19:18:59  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server-web] TrueBrain updated pull request #16: Fix: make sorting of servers a bit more robust
19:19:31  <TrueBrain> int("0") works :)
19:19:32  <TrueBrain> that is not a 0
19:19:37  <TrueBrain> funny
19:20:00  <TrueBrain> int("༠༡")
19:20:02  <TrueBrain> works too :D
19:20:22  <frosch123> be careful, you may be identified as spambot
19:20:28  <TrueBrain> good point :)
19:20:34  <TrueBrain> frosch123: pushed /License to TrueWiki
19:20:53  <TrueBrain> should solve a few more on your list :D
19:22:00  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server-web] frosch123 approved pull request #16: Fix: make sorting of servers a bit more robust
19:22:15  <TrueBrain> cheers frosch123
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19:24:09  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] FLHerne updated pull request #168: CodeQL fixes and other misc. cleanups
19:30:04  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server-web] TrueBrain merged pull request #16: Fix: make sorting of servers a bit more robust
19:30:19  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server-web] TrueBrain created new tag: 1.0.6
19:34:33  <TrueBrain> right, that should prevent the server list from crashing :D
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19:51:18  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] FLHerne commented on pull request #168: CodeQL fixes and other misc. cleanups
19:52:46  <FLHerne> (should be 'done' for review now)
20:01:54  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] LordAro approved pull request #168: CodeQL fixes and other misc. cleanups
20:02:31  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] FLHerne merged pull request #168: CodeQL fixes and other misc. cleanups
20:02:39  <FLHerne> LordAro: thanks
20:04:53  <LordAro> have to do actual changes now :p
20:06:04  <FLHerne> Yeah, but now I can do that without fear of rebase hell :F
20:06:17  <LordAro> ^^
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20:07:40  <FLHerne> Oh, the one more mega-change I wanted was to use f-strings
20:08:15  <frosch123> f-strings are such a mis-feature :/
20:09:22  <FLHerne> They're amazing
20:09:23  <frosch123> but tb also uses them, so i have to wait for the next cycle of "mixing code and formatting is bad"
20:10:44  <frosch123> old-print, c-printf, c++-iostream, python-print, python-f-strings, what's next?
20:11:45  <Xaroth> fstrings improves readability a lot
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20:12:58  <LordAro> indeed
20:13:37  <LordAro> though i will occasionally use format strings for the more complicated ones
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20:13:49  <LordAro> traditional format strings, that is
20:13:51  <frosch123> i am just amazed that c++20 finally gained a pythonic print method. and now python goes to make the same mistakes as c++iostreams did before :)
20:14:31  <frosch123> they switched places :p
20:17:22  <LordAro> i'm not sure they're really equivalent
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20:21:17  <frosch123> it's more obvious when you do not take raw strings, but something like sqalchemy, where you need to preprocess/escape parameters
20:21:59  <frosch123> c++ and java are full of sql injections, because they just do "WHERE a='" + b + "'..."
20:22:14  <frosch123> sqalchemy is amazing by providing print-like methods to compose them
20:22:33  <LordAro> i'm not sure .format() vs fstring changes that much
20:22:33  <frosch123> f-strings are the opposite. i expect more code-injection issues with them
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20:29:11  <dwfreed> You should be using any kind of formatting with SQL
20:29:59  <dwfreed> but f-strings are so much nicer to work with when composing strings that don't go to SQL
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21:50:59  <TrueBrain> SQL is the problem, not however you replace strings tbfh
21:51:40  <TrueBrain> SQL language is by concept an insecure language.. lucky enough, more and more alternatives are in the make :)
21:54:35  <andythenorth> silly SQL designers
21:54:50  <andythenorth> they should have put 'unsecured user input from the global population' into the spec
21:55:15  <andythenorth> clearly incompetent
21:55:16  <TrueBrain> Happens with old languages :)
21:55:31  <andythenorth> it's only 46 years old
21:55:40  <andythenorth> they should have done more scoping and requirements
21:55:40  <TrueBrain> Alternatives are only a bit slow getting there ....
21:55:50  <andythenorth> oh wait
21:55:55  * andythenorth back to ebay
21:58:17  <frosch123> 192
21:59:39  <frosch123> next round is editing the wiki again :/
21:59:55  <TrueBrain> Good luck
22:00:16  <frosch123> sounds like a thing for tomorrow
22:02:10  <TrueBrain> Sleep well
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22:45:27  <andythenorth> 'pseudo-realistic' :P
22:45:29  * andythenorth planning
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23:07:50  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TinCanTech reopened issue #8336: [Game play] Vehicle disasters should always be banner headlines.
23:08:55  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TinCanTech commented on issue #8336: [Game play] Vehicle disasters should always be banner headlines.
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