Log for #openttd on 10th November 2020:
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01:15:00  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] dimaspaf14 opened issue #80: hey buddy, im indonesian guy, i want to help this game
01:43:51  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TinCanTech opened issue #8339: [Game-play] Stopped vehicles started after reloading network game
02:01:44  <FLHerne> This guy has the weirdest issues
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02:38:44  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Eddi-z commented on issue #8339: [Game-play] Stopped vehicles started after reloading network game
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04:04:49  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TinCanTech commented on issue #8339: [Game-play] Stopped vehicles started after reloading network game
04:15:17  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TinCanTech commented on issue #8339: [Game-play] Stopped vehicles started after reloading network game
05:22:45  <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i tried playing space chem, but my save was corrupted. i managed to recover it (turns out it's an sqlite database), but some of the levels are still corrupted an there's no way to reset them
05:29:29  <dwfreed> space chem is simple enough that you can also just start over :D
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05:30:08  <Eddi|zuHause> not the research network levels :p
05:30:50  <dwfreed> I haven't played the game in years
05:31:03  <dwfreed> got really hard at one point and I gave up
05:31:18  <Eddi|zuHause> that's where the game gets good :)
05:32:53  <Eddi|zuHause> "sort randomized H and He inputs into separate H2 and He outputs. btw, you don't have a sensor, only connectors"
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10:29:15  <TrueBrain> Page name "Category/en/Main Page" is invalid, as it is automatically generated.
10:29:16  <TrueBrain> w00p
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10:48:27  <TrueBrain> Page name "bla" is missing either a language or a namespace (wikilink "[[bla]]").
10:48:27  <TrueBrain> Page name "y'o"l)o" contains """, which is not allowed (wikilink "[[y'o"l)o]]").
10:54:41  <frosch123> who created pages with so stupid names?
10:58:48  <TrueBrain> Page name "Template/edt/Bla" is in language "edt" that does not exist (template "{edt/Bla}").
10:58:58  <TrueBrain> not the best error, but hopefully it helps a bit more
11:05:02  <andythenorth> yo
11:06:52  <TrueBrain> Namespace "Category" cannot be used as tempalte (template "{{Category:en/Bla}}").
11:06:56  <TrueBrain> minus the typo, ofc
11:07:25  <frosch123> why? that should be okay
11:08:57  <TrueBrain> I did not implement it, so it is not :P
11:08:58  <TrueBrain> :D
11:09:39  <TrueBrain> Page name "File/bla.png" is missing a language code (wikilink "[[File:bla.png]]").
11:11:21  <TrueBrain> Page name "File/en/bla" in the File namespace should end with wither ".png", ".gif", or ".jpeg" (wikilink "[[File:en/bla]]").
11:11:34  <frosch123> most usages of [] are because people do no know about [[:Category:...]] and [[:File:...]]
11:11:51  <TrueBrain> so easy to fix \o/
11:14:16  <TrueBrain> and it now no longer replaces wikilink that are wrong with a link .. :D
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11:14:38  <TrueBrain> okay, error-messages need work, but otherwise, I think this is an improvement :P I will push to staging later today :)
11:15:28  <frosch123> i'll give my best to break it again :)
11:18:15  <TrueBrain> :D
11:25:32  <TrueBrain> right, now to see how to cleanly fix the recursion issue ... hmm
11:29:09  <TrueBrain> do I depend on the Python recursion depth exception, or do I check for it myself, I wonder ..
11:29:17  <TrueBrain> lunch first
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11:53:45  <TrueBrain> Template "Page:en/Main Page" transcluded more than 10 times in the same Page.
12:04:00  <TrueBrain> frosch123: how did you get NBSP in there?
12:04:03  <TrueBrain> copy/paste seems to fail for me :P
12:07:11  <TrueBrain> got it by manipulating the URL :)
12:12:48  <TrueBrain> 11 commits to fix all kinds of stuff :D
12:12:59  <TrueBrain> and 2 in wikitexthtml
12:21:56  <TrueBrain> funny, metadata is corrupted, and it is not recovering on its own :P
12:22:05  <TrueBrain> not sure why ..
12:24:21  <frosch123> copy&paste worked for me for NBSP. for RTL chars i had to put between regular chars for c&p to work
12:24:35  <frosch123> i use kcharselect for such stuff
12:24:45  <TrueBrain> yes, I had to do the same for NBSP
12:24:53  <TrueBrain> well, not via copy/paste, that never worked
12:24:55  <TrueBrain> but I could replicate it :)
12:25:25  <TrueBrain> ah, the new version does recover metadata cleanly, good
12:26:24  <TrueBrain> feel free to try to break it again frosch123  :D
12:26:34  <TrueBrain>
12:26:38  <TrueBrain> looks pretty nice to me :)
12:27:03  <TrueBrain> hmm ... recursion limit is hit a lot with --validate-all
12:27:07  <TrueBrain> let me see what that is about ..
12:27:37  <frosch123> lol
12:27:47  <TrueBrain> ah, yes, I did not really do recusion ... I just limited the amount of times the same template could be transcluded
12:27:51  <TrueBrain> which is not completely the same
12:30:15  <TrueBrain> ~1300 new errors frosch123 , sorry :P
12:30:16  <TrueBrain> - Page name "en/Manual/Base Set/Trains/SH "40"" contains """, which is not allowed (wikilink "[[en/Manual/Base Set/Trains/SH "40"|BR '87' (SH "40")]]").
12:30:29  <TrueBrain> I suggest replacing " with '
12:30:45  <TrueBrain> - Page name "" contains a folder that is empty, which is not allowed (wikilink "[[#estacions-avancades|estació avançada]]").
12:30:50  <TrueBrain> and that is a bug in my code :D
12:31:14  <frosch123> TrueBrain: <- i suggest to add CSP headers :)
12:31:23  <frosch123> allow inline css, forbid inline js
12:31:40  <frosch123> try the "click me"
12:31:44  <TrueBrain> ah, yes, I should
12:31:57  <TrueBrain> I only considered <style>, but you of course also have the inline crap
12:32:08  <TrueBrain> will do so shortly
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12:53:10  <frosch123> - Linked page "de/Bauen"" does not exist (wikilink "[[de/Bauen|Bauen]]").   <- now i have many of those
12:53:16  <frosch123> about 30k :)
12:54:00  <frosch123> you add a " somewhere
12:54:37  <TrueBrain> haha
12:54:43  <TrueBrain> stupid VSCode
12:54:48  <TrueBrain> when I hit a ", it adds an extra "
12:54:52  <TrueBrain> not always the right thing to do
12:54:55  <TrueBrain>  - Page name "" contains a folder that is empty, which is not allowed (wikilink "[[File:|center|300x200px]]").
12:54:58  <TrueBrain> that happens a lot too btw
13:00:01  <TrueBrain> hmmm .. how to get inline style to work with a CSP header ...
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13:01:32  <frosch123> style-src-attr <source>
13:02:01  <frosch123> "style-src-attr unsafe-inline" probably
13:02:17  <TrueBrain>  "default-src 'self'; style-src 'self' 'unsafe-inline'"
13:02:23  <TrueBrain> anything I am missing?
13:03:59  <TrueBrain> (style-src-attr is  not really supported by many browsers)
13:04:25  <frosch123> it falls back on style-src, so should be fine
13:05:10  <TrueBrain> well, what I wrote works, that I know :)
13:05:17  <TrueBrain> the question is if I am missing anything or could add anything :D
13:05:41  <frosch123> all pages should have a html content type in their header
13:05:55  <frosch123> otherwise the 'self' probably allows including them as js or css
13:06:27  <TrueBrain> that will not result in any sane output, but yes :)
13:06:35  <TrueBrain> and that is already the case, if I did everything correctly :)
13:08:20  <frosch123> pushed new ', poor "
13:09:33  <TrueBrain> guess this now also disallows people linking to images outside of the wiki
13:09:34  <TrueBrain> which is nice
13:09:38  <TrueBrain> any other headers I should be setting?
13:12:11  <frosch123> 3 cookies, 1 from us, 2 from aws
13:12:18  <TrueBrain> yup
13:12:24  <frosch123> our is httponly
13:12:28  <frosch123> so fine
13:12:30  <TrueBrain> ours disappears when you log out now, and only appears if you login
13:14:57  <TrueBrain>  - Namespace ":category:user" is an unknown namespace (wikilink "[[:Category:user:extrazi/Callbacks/Pl|PL]]").
13:14:58  <TrueBrain> ghehe
13:15:20  <TrueBrain> still a bunch of " in names btw
13:15:51  <frosch123> the category:user one has to wait until we get a decision, whether to migrate that stuff or not
13:15:54  <TrueBrain>  - Page name "en/Archive/Compilation and Ports/Compiling on GNU∕Linux and *BSD" contains "*", which is not allowed (wikilink "[[en/Archive/Compilation and Ports/Compiling on GNU∕Linux and *BSD]]").
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13:16:30  <frosch123> ah, so i have to look for a fancy unicode alternative to *
13:16:36  <TrueBrain> ... lol
13:16:51  <TrueBrain> why ... did I get banned .....
13:17:08  <frosch123> to catch up with me?
13:17:09  <longtomjr> lol
13:17:15  <LordAro> TrueBrain is a bot confirmed
13:17:21  <TrueBrain> but .... why?
13:17:23  <longtomjr> "autokilled: Possible spambot. Mail if you think this is in error. (2020-11-10 13:15:55)"
13:17:24  <TrueBrain> I mean, what is wrong with that line?
13:17:40  <longtomjr> dunno, maybe mail and ask
13:18:02  <TrueBrain> yeah, pretty sure it is not important enough to waste anyones time but my own on it
13:18:05  <LordAro> send it again to see if it's repeatable :p
13:18:11  <TrueBrain> but it does makeyou curious :)
13:18:18  <TrueBrain> as there isn't UTF-8 in there, I think
13:18:24  <TrueBrain> owh, there is
13:18:25  <TrueBrain> a /
13:18:26  <TrueBrain> :D
13:18:33  <TrueBrain> I blame frosch123 :P
13:18:54  <frosch123> i also got banned for a /, but a different one
13:18:56  <longtomjr> Is UTF-8 a trigger for spambot filters?
13:19:10  <frosch123> longtomjr: all the / seem to be
13:19:12  <TrueBrain>  - Page name "en/Community/NewGRF/Цистерна обр. 1908 г..jpeg" contains "..", which is not allowed (wikilink "[[File:en/Community/NewGRF/Цистерна обр. 1908 г..jpeg]]").
13:19:17  <TrueBrain> frosch123: now that is a fun one :)
13:19:48  <frosch123> we probably also have T.I.M..png
13:20:06  <TrueBrain> seems not
13:20:20  <TrueBrain> only 4 images
13:20:25  <TrueBrain> I am sure you are willing to rename those :P
13:20:29  <frosch123> imo remove the ".." thing, leading "." should be enough
13:21:03  <TrueBrain> "should" "would" "could" :P
13:22:14  <TrueBrain> I already don't like wildcard URL routes in applications .. not really willing to part from a simple 'if ".." in URL'
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13:22:35  <longtomjr> lol
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13:22:46  <longtomjr> beep boop
13:22:49  <TrueBrain> and now I am being banned for identifying to nickserv
13:22:51  <frosch123> they have the same rule :)
13:22:57  <TrueBrain> OFTC is a bit weird :P
13:23:00  <frosch123> TrueBrain: yes, same for me
13:23:09  <frosch123> dwfreed fixed it for me
13:23:12  <TrueBrain> I can join fine, but not claim my nick ...
13:23:17  <TrueBrain> that makes very little sense, tbh
13:23:30  <TrueBrain> you would think, that claiming my nick makes me less likely to be a bot?
13:23:32  <TrueBrain> owh well :P
13:25:02  <TrueBrain> you would also think that an identified nick that has been active on your network for over 10 years should not be banned for "being a spambot" :P
13:25:08  <TrueBrain> a bit of heuristics doesn't kill anyone :D
13:25:38  <frosch123> i like pretending you got banned for using ..
13:25:50  <TrueBrain> :D
13:26:58  <frosch123> also, everyone knows you did not change your identify pw for over 10 years
13:27:35  <TrueBrain> haha, well, yes, if it was a new connection, I can fully understand that
13:27:44  <TrueBrain> but this connection was up for .. how many days? :)
13:27:49  <TrueBrain> with how many lines of text?
13:28:04  <longtomjr> must be a bot if it types this much
13:28:05  <TrueBrain> I am not maintaining an IRC network, so it is easy to judge the complexity of it all, I do get that
13:28:08  <TrueBrain> it is just funny :)
13:28:40  <TrueBrain> I know how SOCs operate, and there too it is easy to have a detection rule that hits traffic, without context
13:28:51  <TrueBrain> any company that automated the follow-up, often regrets it very quickly
13:29:05  <TrueBrain> a human looking at context reduces the amount of disruptions drastically :)
13:29:11  <TrueBrain> (but consumes a lot more man-power)
13:29:37  <TrueBrain> it is a complex world :)
13:29:50  <andythenorth> and people need training and 1-to-1s and all that jazz
13:29:58  * andythenorth prefers newgrfs
13:30:03  <longtomjr> they need food to operate
13:30:09  <andythenorth> lunch!
13:31:52  <frosch123> sixteen pointed asterisk
13:32:00  <frosch123> ... i am sure the number is important
13:32:13  <andythenorth> you reading alt texts?
13:32:54  <frosch123> i am looking a unicode chars to use instead of ntfs reserved chars
13:33:15  <frosch123> and the amount of unicode chars that should be "use a different font" is insane
13:33:59  <longtomjr> There has to be some reason for them though
13:34:20  <frosch123> there are 6 asterisk chars which only differ in weight/boldness
13:34:59  <frosch123> "light five spoked asterisk".."extremely heavy five spoked asterisk"
13:35:13  <frosch123> then the same for 6 an 8 spokes
13:35:42  <longtomjr> Some of them have different shapes
13:36:50  <andythenorth> 'because we can'
13:36:51  <andythenorth> ?
13:37:47  <longtomjr> These are part of the dingbats block
13:39:06  <longtomjr> Miscellaneous Symbols: "Not to be confused with Miscellaneous Symbols and Pictographs or Miscellaneous Symbols and Arrows."
13:41:06  <andythenorth> were terrible mistakes made at some point?
13:41:12  <andythenorth> or is life just disorder?
13:43:57  <FLHerne> Neither, really
13:44:05  <TrueBrain> <- frosch123 , fine bla..png is allowed now
13:44:18  <TrueBrain> well, not yet when creating a page
13:44:21  <TrueBrain> let me fix that ..
13:44:49  <FLHerne> One goal of Unicode is that you should be able to round-trip stuff from any other encoding into it and back without losing information
13:45:50  <FLHerne> So it has to distinguish between any characters that some other encoding distinguished between, even if that doesn't really make sense now
13:46:48  <FLHerne> OTOH, when someone came up with Dingbats as "a font you can use for your symbols", it kind of made sense to put differently-formatted versions of each symbol in the same font
13:48:37  <frosch123> we just need to get the ottd logo into some font
13:49:06  <frosch123> TrueBrain: \o/
13:49:12  <TrueBrain> with that PR now frosch123 , you can create a page named "en/../Category/en/./Bla", and it will in fact create "Category/en/Bla" for you
13:51:17  <frosch123> TrueBrain: do you need to check for leading / now?
13:51:25  <TrueBrain> I hope I did it correct, otherwise I just blame you frosch123  :P
13:51:32  <TrueBrain> hmm .. good question
13:51:33  <frosch123> os.isabspath or something
13:51:59  <frosch123> at least we already disallow :, so no c:\ :)
13:52:11  <andythenorth> frosch123 svg-to-font is a thing....
13:52:48  <frosch123> andythenorth: yes, but we would have to ship it with something popular, so it is unicode conversion relevant
13:53:12  <andythenorth> Microsoft Teams!
13:53:17  <andythenorth> that's popular?
13:55:33  <TrueBrain> frosch123: a nice added bonus now is, that if you make a page pointing to /Category/en/Bla, it will do the right thing (and remove the first /)
13:57:13  <frosch123> all those things remain errors when used in [[ ]] {{ }}, right?
13:58:03  <TrueBrain> hmm ... ish
13:58:28  <TrueBrain> see, this is why I wanted to keep a simple ".." check
13:58:28  <TrueBrain> pfft
13:58:31  <frosch123> the goal was to reject invalid syntax, not to interpret it in some silly way :)
13:58:55  <frosch123> TrueBrain: the path != normpath(path) check was fine
13:59:18  <TrueBrain> the thing is, and why this is complex, there are 3 places paths are validated
13:59:23  <TrueBrain> all with different expected output
13:59:30  <TrueBrain> having ".." in path everywhere, was simple
14:01:03  <TrueBrain> okay, links still don't render if you fuck it up, so this will have to do
14:01:13  <TrueBrain> there are only minor differences
14:01:36  <TrueBrain> for example, en/Bla/.bla is a perfectly valid page-name as far as the pre-check goes
14:01:40  <TrueBrain> we only banned it for other reasons (hidden files)
14:02:14  <TrueBrain> but okay, the post-check picks it up
14:02:28  <TrueBrain> basically, there is a difference between invalid URLs, and invalid PageNames
14:02:43  <TrueBrain> the first shows a 404, without any styling what-so-ever
14:02:46  <TrueBrain> as .. fuck you :P
14:02:50  <TrueBrain> the second shows a nice error page
14:04:24  <LordAro> TrueBrain: i hope you're writing lots of nice tests :)
14:05:39  <TrueBrain> LordAro: yes; zero, to be exact :P
14:06:10  <LordAro> :o
14:11:37  <frosch123> we can use the wiki data from 1 months ago for all the tests :)
14:12:45  <TrueBrain> that would only test the renderer :P
14:13:27  <frosch123> it also has links with leading /
14:13:32  <frosch123> and ..
14:13:52  <TrueBrain> should make you a bit happy :P
14:14:54  <TrueBrain> LordAro: I can do you one worse: NOBODY is reviewing my PRs :P
14:17:49  <frosch123> maybe 5j9 takes revenge and reports insane corner case bugs :)
14:18:17  <TrueBrain> you would be surprised how much I would welcome that :)
14:18:32  <LordAro> TrueBrain: i'm surprised you're bothering with PRs at all :p
14:18:38  <LordAro> 63 of them, no less
14:18:41  <TrueBrain> LordAro: checks! :D
14:18:49  <LordAro> you only need 1 PR for that! :p
14:18:56  <TrueBrain> prevents me from forgetting black and flake :P
14:19:20  <frosch123> so, they are actually reviewed :)
14:19:46  <TrueBrain> I guess :P
14:22:56  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] frosch123 commented on issue #80: hey buddy, im indonesian guy, i want to help this game
14:23:08  <TrueBrain> YOU FOUND A BUDDY
14:23:29  <frosch123> weren't you waiting for someone to add an individual message?
14:23:38  <TrueBrain> just ... not there :)
14:23:40  <TrueBrain> but I take it :P
14:24:41  <TrueBrain> poeh, indexing all the links is expensive (memory-wise)
14:25:00  <TrueBrain> up to 83MB of RAM, with a burst of 93MB
14:25:15  <frosch123> still less than eints?
14:25:18  <TrueBrain> yes
14:25:28  <TrueBrain> and than mediawiki
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14:25:38  <TrueBrain> honestly, it is laughable, 93MB RAM .. I mean ...
14:25:40  <TrueBrain> it is cute
14:26:01  <frosch123> i had a k6 with 96mb ram
14:26:09  <TrueBrain> k6?
14:26:14  <frosch123> amd k6
14:26:17  <TrueBrain> ah
14:26:20  <frosch123> pentium age
14:26:23  <TrueBrain> well, you could run TrueWiki on it! :P
14:26:44  <TrueBrain> right, all links are now indexed too, so you can see where a page is being used :D
14:26:55  <TrueBrain> and it prevents you from renaming :D
14:27:11  <TrueBrain> when a page is in a navigation template
14:27:14  <TrueBrain> the list is LONG :P
14:27:38  <frosch123> ah, you changed the format of the errors :) i wondered why there are still so many issues
14:27:46  <frosch123> but i need to adjust my filter script
14:28:00  <TrueBrain> yeah, sorry, I made it a bit more verbose
14:28:03  <TrueBrain> and a dot behind every line
14:28:35  <TrueBrain> hmm ... "used on pages" clearly failed for templates .. I click on a template from View Source, and it tells me it is not used anywhere
14:28:38  <TrueBrain> so that is a lie :P
14:38:03  <TrueBrain> right, that are a lot of issues fixed today :D
14:43:13  <TrueBrain> frosch123: don't forget to synchronize all language folders over all namespaces
14:43:23  <TrueBrain> with a .keep or what-ever in them to make them valid from a git perspective
14:43:48  <TrueBrain> [[File:Template/en/Manual/Base Set/Cargos/Cargo.png|128px|center]] <-fun links :D
14:46:14  <TrueBrain> frosch123: I fixed the one "Table attribute" error on the live-wiki
14:46:52  <frosch123> oh, i wanted to do that this morning, but forgot again :)
14:46:54  <frosch123> thanks :)
14:47:39  <TrueBrain> those things I can do :D
14:47:43  <TrueBrain> other errors ... not really :P
14:48:23  <TrueBrain> <- well, that "Used on pages" is a lie ..
14:48:26  <frosch123> what folders do you need synced? just File/langcode or more?
14:48:51  <TrueBrain> all languages in all namespaces
14:48:59  <frosch123> ok :)
14:49:00  <TrueBrain> people cannot create a language
14:49:06  <TrueBrain> that has to be done via a PR
14:49:08  <TrueBrain> so they need to be in sync :)
14:50:15  <TrueBrain> my recursion depth check isfunny
14:50:19  <TrueBrain> your page still explodes
14:50:21  <TrueBrain> it does render
14:50:23  <TrueBrain> but .. holy crap :P
14:50:44  <frosch123> it takes some time to load :)
14:51:39  <frosch123> and you have to scroll some to get to the source
14:52:05  <TrueBrain> [[File:{{PAGENAME}}.png|left|middle]] <- so that is why it is not being picked up .. I do not replaces those variables I guess :P
14:52:56  <TrueBrain> hmm, no, they should
14:52:58  <TrueBrain> interesting :D
14:53:11  <frosch123> TrueBrain: the template works fine
14:53:16  <frosch123> just it's example usage does not
14:53:18  <frosch123> no way to fix that
14:54:03  <TrueBrain> I am also fine with it .. but it is fun nevertheless :D
14:54:24  <frosch123> it took some effort to make sure the images have the same path as the pages :p
15:03:00  <TrueBrain> :D
15:03:07  <TrueBrain> do I want to know the LoC of your migration script? :P
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15:05:19  <frosch123> 1463 *py, 2678 *json parameters
15:05:27  <TrueBrain> lolz
15:05:41  <TrueBrain> TrueWiki is 2474 :D
15:06:07  <TrueBrain> well, wikitexthtml 2829
15:06:10  <TrueBrain> but still :P
15:08:41  <TrueBrain> <- w00p, it now shows the correct page \o/
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15:12:33  <frosch123> yay, i was not scolded for naming a file Main Page :)
15:13:08  <TrueBrain> yeah, as it is "Main Page.png" :P
15:13:20  <TrueBrain> I now outright banned files without extension from being created
15:13:22  <TrueBrain> lot easier :P
15:15:34  <frosch123> oh, looks like i broke a template when simplifying them
15:15:58  <TrueBrain> my fault / your fault? :D
15:16:25  <frosch123> well, i causes all those [[File:]] :)
15:16:36  <TrueBrain> ah :D
15:16:42  <TrueBrain> well, there are not that many :P
15:16:56  <frosch123> all caused by the same template
15:18:01  <TrueBrain> Easy fix :D
15:36:43  <frosch123> <- haha, that "[[LICENSE]]"
15:37:58  <TrueBrain> Haha, fails validation ofc
15:38:00  <TrueBrain> Oops
15:40:30  <frosch123> <- no error for that first category
15:42:43  <frosch123> categories are truely magical things
15:42:49  <frosch123> sent you a sendry
15:42:53  <frosch123> sentry?
15:43:54  <TrueBrain> Received :p
15:45:04  <frosch123> yay, i can make a category a subcategory of itself :) (no bug)
15:45:41  <TrueBrain> :D magicccc
15:50:52  <frosch123> entering random urls is my new hobby
15:51:01  <TrueBrain> Owh boy ...
15:51:12  <andythenorth> frosch123 is a chaos monkey
15:51:16  <andythenorth> automate automate automate
15:52:40  <frosch123> automate tank driving?
15:54:44  <andythenorth> automate automating
15:54:51  <andythenorth> let's make a chaos monkey generator generator
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17:20:39  <LordAro> pNew_string = malloc(strlen(pText_tmp)+1*sizeof(char));
17:20:41  <LordAro> hmm.
17:22:53  <TrueBrain> You never know .. an implementation might change the size of char :p :p
17:23:29  <LordAro> it would have to be wildly off-spec to produce anything other than 1 :p
17:23:58  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't see the problem
17:24:38  <TrueBrain> LordAro: pretty sure it would break the time continuum :D
17:24:39  <LordAro> well ignoring the fact that i could replace the whole block of code with strdup...
17:25:05  <LordAro> Eddi|zuHause: the standard is very explicit about sizeof(char) == 1
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17:25:39  <TrueBrain> as it, it is one of the few things everyone agrees on :P
17:26:07  <TrueBrain> possibly the author of that lovely piece of code was original a Windows API programmer, and was confused with wchar_t :P
17:27:03  <LordAro> that's not a bad shout, actually :p
17:27:23  <Eddi|zuHause> so the real problem is "hold on, we should probably zoom out a bit in this fractal of misfeatures"
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17:45:59  <TrueBrain> frosch123: fixed and and
17:46:09  <TrueBrain> (license, invalid categories, and files in /Folder)
17:46:37  <TrueBrain> I really really REALLY do love this auto-deploy stuff ... it makes deployments so much easier/smoother/faster
17:50:06  <frosch123> "Cookie “AWSALB” will be soon rejected because it has the “sameSite” attribute set to “none” or an invalid value, without the “secure” attribute." <- i guess not our problem
17:52:01  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] DorpsGek pushed 1 commits to master
17:52:01  <DorpsGek_III>   - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
17:53:26  <TrueBrain> where did you read that frosch123 ?
17:53:49  <frosch123> in the browser console
17:54:34  <frosch123> "To know more about the “sameSite“ attribute, read"
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17:55:06  <frosch123>  <- Media: does not work. not sure whether I care :)
17:59:06  <TrueBrain> I didn't add support for it, no :)
17:59:12  <TrueBrain> couldn't figure out what the difference was between media and file
17:59:38  <frosch123> File links to
17:59:46  <frosch123> Media links to
18:00:42  <frosch123> s/File/:File/ in the former :)
18:00:58  <TrueBrain> ah .... like that
18:01:01  <TrueBrain> I guess that makes sense
18:01:05  <TrueBrain> sure, I will put it on my todo
18:01:19  <TrueBrain> what an freaking idiots are those who thought up this schema ...
18:01:30  <frosch123> no idea about the usecase, just in case you want to sell truewiki to atlassian or so :p
18:01:59  <TrueBrain> haha :D
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18:04:43  <frosch123> the other day i learned that "wiki" means "quick", so truewiki is even more fitting
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18:23:03  <TrueBrain> :D Ghehe
18:26:52  <TrueBrain> I can btw always disable the AWS cookies
18:27:04  <TrueBrain> they just help with people going to the same instance in the backend
18:27:10  <TrueBrain> otherwise, they carry no value
18:27:46  <TrueBrain> bit weird that AWSALBCORS does have the SameSite and Secure, but the AWSALB doesn't :P
18:32:13  <TrueBrain> ah, okay, the AWSALBCORS exists because of this change Chrome already made and FF will make
18:32:21  <TrueBrain> AWSALB can be dropped without issue
18:32:29  <TrueBrain> I just .. cannot disable it being sent :P
18:33:06  <Wolf01> I can stop it being received :P
18:34:36  <TrueBrain> I think I will disable it for our whole cluster honestly
18:34:46  <TrueBrain> in these days, every cookie you sent ticks people off
18:34:52  <TrueBrain> and it only helps us during a deployment
18:34:57  <TrueBrain> which is rare enough for me to not really care
18:35:28  <TrueBrain> it would, in theory, allow me to run 2 stateful instances of the same service next to each other .. but .. we are not going to do that anyway
19:04:25  <TrueBrain> right, AWSALB cookies are GONE
19:04:47  <TrueBrain> we are now very poor, and don't give cookies out to anyone except when you login :P
19:12:04  <TrueBrain> right, and time to deploy a DNS change which I might come to regret ... we will see :P
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19:14:25  <TrueBrain> we have 287 records ... I think I am going to remove ~50 .. maybe more :P
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19:28:46  <TrueBrain> 185 now ... :D Well, that was a good cleanup :P
19:29:17  <TrueBrain> now here is hoping nothing broke :P
19:31:04  <frosch123> i have no idea what you are doing :)
19:32:23  <TrueBrain> I trashed :P
19:32:39  <TrueBrain> I used that when the DNS was not at AWS, to CNAME from old DNS to AWS DNS
19:32:49  <TrueBrain> but .. as DNS is now at AWS .. we don't need that anymore :)
19:33:06  <TrueBrain> and nobody should have been using those DNS entries .....
19:33:09  <TrueBrain> should ............
19:33:10  <TrueBrain> :P
19:33:27  <andythenorth> if I buy an ARM mac can we port OpenTTD? :P
19:33:29  <frosch123> pretty sure you broke someones heating
19:33:29  <TrueBrain> there were only 102 records under :D
19:33:43  <andythenorth> it's ridiculous how much my computer and OS choice is driven by OpenTTD :P
19:33:45  <TrueBrain> andythenorth: nobody tried building OpenTTD on ARM yet?
19:33:51  <TrueBrain> cannot imagine there being any real issues, honestly
19:33:58  <andythenorth> well it's weird Apple Silicon ARM
19:34:09  <andythenorth> Apple marketing says it's a few clicks to switch and takes 5 mins
19:34:12  <andythenorth> so that can't be true
19:34:23  <TrueBrain> yes, "driven by" .. pick the OS and hardware that is least like to run OpenTTD, but is "officially" supported
19:34:24  <TrueBrain> you go girl :P
19:34:27  <andythenorth> yes
19:34:37  <andythenorth> funny isn't it
19:36:33  <TrueBrain> I wonder what happens if I start an ARM ECS cluster, and try to run the OpenTTD services on it :P
19:36:39  <TrueBrain> pretty sure I don't want to find out :D
19:39:03  <TrueBrain> it is 20% cheaper!! :P
19:39:15  <andythenorth> less watts
19:39:48  <TrueBrain> no, 11%
19:40:00  <TrueBrain> I mean, that counts for something, or something
19:41:56  * andythenorth reads forums
19:42:00  <andythenorth> done
19:43:14  <TrueBrain> read anything interesting?
19:43:31  <andythenorth> some newgrf author talking about Horses
19:43:34  <andythenorth> so no
19:43:41  <TrueBrain> he also keeps uploading new versions
19:43:42  <TrueBrain> so annoying
19:43:52  <andythenorth> what does reddit think?
19:44:06  <andythenorth> not a lot
19:44:06  <frosch123> it doesn't think, mostly
19:44:19  <andythenorth> it mostly just exists
19:44:41  <frosch123> i am not sure whether reddit is for reading. maybe it's just for writing
19:44:50  <andythenorth> roflmao lol etc
19:46:04  <TrueBrain> hmm .. guess I should license TrueWiki under AGPL ... before I know it, AWS is running it as SaaS :P
19:46:33  <andythenorth> will your contributors allow multiple licenses?
19:46:54  <TrueBrain> let me ask
19:47:01  <TrueBrain> yeah, I answered I do
19:48:54  <frosch123> did you already trademark the name?
19:49:02  <TrueBrain> haha :D
19:49:15  <TrueBrain> I did check it was unique :P
19:50:16  <TrueBrain> holy crap, .io domains are expensive as fuck
19:50:19  <TrueBrain> why do people buy those?
19:50:40  <frosch123> .fail was also expensive
19:51:12  <TrueBrain> so many domains I see on Hacker News etc are .io
19:51:14  <TrueBrain> but ... 50 euro a year?
19:51:17  <TrueBrain> boy ...
19:51:50  <Wolf01> ahahah lol
19:52:48  <TrueBrain> nice :D
19:59:40  <andythenorth> .farm is cheep
19:59:43  <andythenorth> cheap *
20:02:55  <dwfreed> TrueBrain: sorry, removed the akill; going to see why it tripped (it's hitting the unicode lookalike regex, but the character doesn't appear to be unicode lookalike at first glance)
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20:04:33  <supermop_Home> yo
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20:04:53  <frosch123> dwfreed: the / was a special unicode, no normal /
20:05:11  <frosch123> we are using those fancy chars on our new wiki :)
20:06:20  <dwfreed> ah, yeah, don't do that :P
20:07:28  <dwfreed> that unicode slash is used a lot by spambots in "URLs" they spam to bypass traditional URL detection, so it's definitely not getting removed from the list
20:08:45  <frosch123> ah, that's what it is about :)
20:09:48  <FLHerne> TrueBrain: Also, with .io you're rewarding the British government for its illegal occupation of the Chagos Islands and deportation of the residents :-/
20:09:58  <FLHerne> So yeah, don't buy one
20:11:14  <Wolf01> Also, with... neetflix time
20:12:17  <andythenorth> FLHerne are there any ethical problems with .farm?
20:12:49  <TrueBrain> Cheers dwfreed
20:13:17  <TrueBrain> We won't try to trip it again :D
20:13:40  <TrueBrain> FLHerne: TIL, tnx :)
20:14:52  <TrueBrain> Yippie, identified and not killed \o/
20:16:03  <frosch123> TrueBrain: finally pushed again. now it's your turn to find more errors again :)
20:16:18  <FLHerne> andythenorth: Unless you have a philosophical objection to ICANN screwing up the domain namespace, no :p
20:16:54  <TrueBrain> I will do tomorrow :D
20:17:00  <TrueBrain> How many errors left?
20:18:03  <frosch123> 16691 unfiltered, 53 filtered (not fixable, or false positive)
20:18:29  <frosch123> both numbers are line counts, some errors take 1 line, some 2
20:18:55  <TrueBrain> Nice :D
20:19:13  <TrueBrain> So when are you going to so a full export?
20:19:58  <frosch123> today i did nothing i planned yesterday :p only new stuff
20:20:22  <frosch123> maybe tomorrow evening
20:20:44  <TrueBrain> Very exciting :D
20:21:43  <TrueBrain> Tomorrow I will walk through everything, see if I can find anything wrong .. but honestly, I think we are really close being ready :)
20:26:53  <frosch123> <- i added those everywhere
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20:27:06  <frosch123> maybe you have a better message :)
20:27:53  <frosch123> maybe i should name them .truewiki and include advertisement?
20:29:07  <TrueBrain> Hahaha
20:29:17  <TrueBrain> I always use empty .keep files
20:29:23  <TrueBrain> Anything works honestly
20:32:43  <TrueBrain> We need a banner somewhere on how to add a new language
20:32:57  <TrueBrain> I think in the root of namespaces
20:33:24  <frosch123> we need a whole page on how the wiki is structured :)
20:33:42  <TrueBrain> README :p
20:33:45  <frosch123> maybe even an issue template to provide translations for the folders
20:33:58  <TrueBrain> Guess next to License
20:34:47  <frosch123> nah, either it is editable by users, so a normal wiki page, or it is truewiki docs and in truewiki repo
20:35:06  <TrueBrain> Fair
20:35:08  <frosch123> next to license is only for github stuff, and i do not expect regular visitors to read the wiki there
20:35:39  <TrueBrain> So a bit what is in the already, but a bit more user orientated
20:39:17  <frosch123> i made a list last week or so. some things are already covered by the truewiki readme meanwhile: explain [[Translation:]], how to use sections (do not put your new page into en/, but sort it properly). purpose of sections like manual, development, community, and archive.  meaning of "Main Page" in folders. differences from mediawiki, like transclude Page:.
20:39:43  <frosch123> not everything fits into truewiki readme :)
20:39:49  <frosch123> some is very ottd wiki specific
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20:41:45  <TrueBrain> Yup
20:41:53  <TrueBrain> So two readmes :)
20:42:04  <TrueBrain> A layout in wiki-data
20:42:12  <TrueBrain> And a syntax in truewiki
20:43:06  <TrueBrain> We need a wiki to explain the wiki :D
20:43:50  <TrueBrain> I might add a '--generate', so I can publish a repo via GitHub Pages, and indeed write the manual in the wiki
20:43:53  <TrueBrain> That would be cool
20:44:29  <frosch123> yes, that sounds cool
20:44:43  <frosch123> you cannot login though :)
20:44:58  <TrueBrain> Maybe migrate the wiki first btw
20:45:11  <TrueBrain> Just to keep the priorities in check :)
20:45:34  <frosch123> lol, yes, those items are at the bottom of the list :)
20:45:45  <frosch123> even after add js
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21:16:27  <andythenorth> hmm
21:16:38  <andythenorth> I can probably remap CC to arbitrary other palette ranges?
21:18:15  <frosch123> yes, pink for example
21:19:04  <frosch123> or water cycle, unless you plan to use it on vehicles :)
21:19:20  <frosch123> ah, you do on ships
21:27:24  <andythenorth> I was mostly thinking delightful browns
21:27:26  <andythenorth> for realism
21:29:53  <frosch123> oh, i thought you were still looking into 3cc
21:35:13  <andythenorth> I am doing fake CC :)
21:35:22  <andythenorth> 3CC would be better for players + UX
21:35:35  <andythenorth> but for now I am just using newgrf parameters :P
21:36:56  <andythenorth> if we knew what we know now, 3CC would have been better than all those vehicle type colours
21:36:57  <andythenorth> but eh
21:37:15  <frosch123> hmm, i actually do not know whether action6 works for recolour sprites
21:38:04  <frosch123> pretty sure it would work in ttdp
21:39:32  <frosch123> yeah, won't work in ottd
21:39:53  <frosch123> so no grf parameters to configure recoloring :)
21:40:40  <andythenorth> currently just switches CC recolourings on a parameter
21:41:10  <andythenorth>
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