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Log for #openttd on 18th November 2020:
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02:00:56  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] extrazi closed issue #91: [pl_PL] Translator access request https://git.io/JklYx
02:00:56  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] extrazi commented on issue #91: [pl_PL] Translator access request https://git.io/JklYx
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08:40:27  <andythenorth> yo
08:40:39  <longtomjr> hi
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09:16:59  <TrueBrain> LordAro: so you let me reboot something without know what you changed ... that sounds like a disaster waiting to happen :P But sure :D
09:17:12  <TrueBrain> and we are not going to rent an extra VPS for staging, sorry :P
09:19:38  <LordAro> TrueBrain: i copied the OVH stuff into /etc/network/interfaces.d/60-ipv6 and filled in the values, if you feel like taking a look
09:19:52  <LordAro> i do get that, it just makes things more complicated :p
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09:30:26  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/aws-infra] TrueBrain requested changes for pull request #4: Add: ansible playbook for configuring new caching content servers https://git.io/JkBdc
09:30:57  <TrueBrain> I think you made it look more complicated by not templating all you could, basically :)
09:31:42  <TrueBrain> but mostly, you blocked me out from logging in, so I cannot test IPv6 :P
09:32:02  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on pull request #8342: Feature #8095: Allow automatically separating vehicles in shared orders https://git.io/JkBdj
09:32:15  <LordAro> TrueBrain: heh
09:33:07  <TrueBrain> at least I now know you indeed cannot login via password :P :D \o/
09:33:53  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/aws-infra] LordAro commented on pull request #4: Add: ansible playbook for configuring new caching content servers https://git.io/JkBF4
09:36:26  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/aws-infra] TrueBrain commented on pull request #4: Add: ansible playbook for configuring new caching content servers https://git.io/JkBFF
09:37:26  <TrueBrain> https://github.com/truebrain.keys <- okay, this is a cool feature of GitHub .. another way to easily distribute your public key :)
09:38:56  <LordAro> TrueBrain: ansible also supports that "format" too
09:39:09  <LordAro> i.e. just using a url
09:39:19  <TrueBrain> funny; but let's not use that in this case :D
09:39:26  <TrueBrain> not sure I like the security aspect of that, honestly :P
09:39:58  <LordAro> mm
09:40:07  <TrueBrain> (as that means if my account is taken over, one can publish a new key there, and on a new ansible run, it would change that, without anyone really noticing :P)
09:40:20  <LordAro> you should have access again now
09:40:23  <TrueBrain> \o/
09:40:39  <TrueBrain> and indeed I do :P
09:40:58  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/aws-infra] LordAro updated pull request #4: Add: ansible playbook for configuring new caching content servers https://git.io/JkCEU
09:41:23  <TrueBrain> my key is longer than yours :P
09:43:24  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/aws-infra] LordAro updated pull request #4: Add: ansible playbook for configuring new caching content servers https://git.io/JkCEU
09:43:29  <LordAro> yeah, my key is very old
09:43:38  <LordAro> these days i tend to use ed25519 everywhere
09:43:48  <TrueBrain> okay, this IPv6 config is not going to work :P
09:43:52  <LordAro> aw
09:43:57  <TrueBrain> not sure where you confused IPV6_GATEWAY I gave you with ::1 :P
09:44:18  <TrueBrain> seems we don't talk the same IPv6 language :D
09:44:22  <LordAro> 18:27:43] <TrueBrain> the gateway is at ::1
09:44:29  <LordAro> i did think it odd
09:44:30  <TrueBrain> what we mean with: the gateway is on ::1, not that it is on the literal string ::1
09:44:36  <TrueBrain> but on the <ipv6>::1 :)
09:44:51  <TrueBrain> ugh, this vim has a stupid copy/paste mode
09:44:54  <TrueBrain> I cannot deal with that ....
09:44:54  <LordAro> that does make more sense
09:45:13  <longtomjr> What is wrong with the copy paste?
09:45:23  <TrueBrain> well, especially as ::1 is localhost LordAro
09:45:46  <LordAro> well, quite
09:46:07  <LordAro> but given the IPv4 address is apparently done via dhcp, i clearly don't understand how this networking is set up
09:46:47  <TrueBrain> you consider it odd that the IPv4 is via DHCP, or?
09:47:08  <LordAro> i would expect servers to have static(ly defined) IPs
09:48:16  <TrueBrain> I guess it is easier for them to provision this way
09:48:43  <TrueBrain> owh, it is cloud-init
09:49:33  <TrueBrain> in that case I don't know why they don't provision IPv6 honestly
09:53:13  <TrueBrain> LordAro: -1 is done, but I want to reboot to validate it keeps on working; that okay with you?
09:54:20  <LordAro> sure
09:54:38  <LordAro> i should do actual work now
09:54:42  <TrueBrain> enjoy :P
09:55:11  <TrueBrain> okay, IPv6 comes back up correctly
09:55:16  <TrueBrain> just nginx doesn't bind to it now
09:56:01  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/aws-infra] TrueBrain commented on pull request #4: Add: ansible playbook for configuring new caching content servers https://git.io/JkBN9
09:56:11  <LordAro> ah yes, on it
09:56:17  <TrueBrain> <3
09:58:45  <TrueBrain> should we enable a firewall on these machines, I wonder ..
09:59:28  <LordAro> ah crap, this ansible role can't do multiple listen directives
09:59:38  <TrueBrain> you can change it how I suggested
09:59:42  <TrueBrain> that works for both IPv4 and IPv6
09:59:45  <TrueBrain> nginx is dualstack
10:00:01  <TrueBrain> ::ffff:<ipv4> works fine on IPv6 :)
10:00:06  <LordAro> i was looking at that, some documentation suggested that wouldn't work
10:00:12  <LordAro> but i'll happily try it
10:00:42  <TrueBrain> I can be wrong, ofc :)
10:00:54  <TrueBrain> can I reboot -2 real quick?
10:00:57  <LordAro> https://serverfault.com/questions/638367/do-you-need-separate-ipv4-and-ipv6-listen-directives-in-nginx specifically
10:01:06  <LordAro> 1 sec to complete ansible run
10:02:14  <TrueBrain> owh, so they changed defaults .. shrug
10:02:20  <LordAro> yup, doesn't work
10:02:44  <LordAro> i'll try with ipv6_only=off, but that'll probably have the other issues suggested
10:03:00  <TrueBrain> silly ... dualstack is very useful
10:03:03  <TrueBrain> I reboot -2 real quick now :)
10:03:28  <TrueBrain> I don't like molly-guard .. it doesn't say: okay, I will reboot now
10:03:31  <TrueBrain> it just stops
10:03:33  <TrueBrain> that is annoying
10:03:51  <TrueBrain> right, -2 rebooted
10:03:54  <dwfreed> I mean, it would say if you failed the test
10:03:56  <TrueBrain> both now also have IPv6
10:04:06  <TrueBrain> yeah, but only negative feedback is poor design :)
10:04:24  <TrueBrain> your connection just stalls .. which is annoying :P
10:04:36  <TrueBrain> for all you know, you have a network outage JUST AT THAT MOMENT :P
10:06:43  <TrueBrain> LordAro: seems people have been trying to get IPv6 in the nginx role for a while now ..
10:06:49  <TrueBrain> there is even a PR for it :P
10:07:10  <TrueBrain> but all of them went stale ..
10:07:22  <TrueBrain> because the owner doesn't reply, not because of the authors :P
10:07:28  <LordAro> yeah...
10:07:38  <LordAro> geerlingguy is a very busy person
10:07:43  <LordAro> he has hundreds of ansible roles
10:07:54  <TrueBrain> not an excuse, really
10:08:01  <TrueBrain> for that you have a community .. start to delegate :)
10:08:07  <TrueBrain> but 2 years of no response ...... :P
10:08:18  <TrueBrain> it is not a new issue, lets put it that way :)
10:08:39  <TrueBrain> Sep 5, 2017
10:08:41  <TrueBrain> wait, 3 years :)
10:09:06  <LordAro> there is a response from him about 6 months ago
10:09:10  <LordAro> but then... nothing
10:09:36  <TrueBrain> and I get it, listening by default to IPv6 is a huge change
10:09:44  <TrueBrain> so the PR dude should have made it optional, off by default, tbh
10:10:19  <TrueBrain> seems you have to clone and change the role after all :P
10:10:42  <LordAro> there is an "official" nginx role that i couldn't make any sense of at first glance
10:10:49  <LordAro> i could go back and look at that
10:11:00  <LordAro> in the meantime, i've come up with a hack...
10:11:04  <TrueBrain> :D
10:11:51  <LordAro> aha, yes
10:13:02  <LordAro> /etc/hosts just got changed again, did you change something?
10:13:11  <TrueBrain> a reboot
10:13:20  <TrueBrain> and I think /etc/hosts is under control of cloud-init
10:13:28  <LordAro> ah yeah, probably
10:13:47  <TrueBrain> which is a bit of a problem, if you want to change it, honestly
10:13:57  <TrueBrain> but I am not sure why you wanted to change it :P
10:14:20  <LordAro> tbh i'm not sure either
10:14:27  <TrueBrain> so that solves that problem :D
10:14:29  <LordAro> given we're not changing the actual hostname of the machine, it doesn't really matter
10:14:59  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/aws-infra] LordAro updated pull request #4: Add: ansible playbook for configuring new caching content servers https://git.io/JkCEU
10:15:32  <TrueBrain> I like that solution; it is what I would have done too :P
10:15:38  <LordAro> :D
10:16:38  <LordAro> right, actual actual work time now
10:16:46  <TrueBrain> enjoy
10:18:18  <TrueBrain> okay, the different caches work (as the links I gave differ SLIGHTLY :P)
10:18:42  <TrueBrain> staging/production work
10:18:45  <TrueBrain> IPv4 / IPv6 work
10:18:47  <TrueBrain> -1 and -2 work
10:19:09  <TrueBrain> cache hits work
10:20:43  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/aws-infra] TrueBrain commented on pull request #4: Add: ansible playbook for configuring new caching content servers https://git.io/JkBp3
10:23:35  <LordAro> \o/
10:24:48  <TrueBrain> if someone reviews my PR before the weekend, I will see about deploying this to staging so we can test it :D
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11:24:07  <andythenorth> I need some lolz
11:24:15  <andythenorth> pls send
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11:27:40  <LordAro> andythenorth: lols
11:29:07  <andythenorth> ta
11:31:25  <TrueBrain> http://img.memecdn.com/lolz_o_669433.jpg
11:31:57  <andythenorth> funny, that looks just like me
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11:55:17  <Eddi|zuHause> lots of jpeg-rot and watermarks?
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13:37:31  <TrueBrain> frosch123: seems our favorite wiki editor found his way there :)
13:37:54  <andythenorth> dorpsgek will announce every wiki edit?
13:38:07  <frosch123> TrueBrain: yes, i send them a mail the other day, where their stuff ended up
13:38:28  <frosch123> andythenorth: if it would, that would have ended last night
13:39:02  <TrueBrain> yeah ... it was spammy :P
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13:53:33  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] twpol updated pull request #8342: Feature #8095: Allow automatically separating vehicles in shared orders https://git.io/JklGO
13:57:09  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] twpol commented on pull request #8342: Feature #8095: Allow automatically separating vehicles in shared orders https://git.io/JkREv
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14:17:43  <frosch123> oh, bananas is older than ottd's ldap
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14:43:55  <TrueBrain> sorry?
14:44:15  <TrueBrain> feels like a completely random finding :P
14:45:49  <frosch123> in anticipation of you shutting down ldap, i exported the necessary data for bananas author migration. but 21 bananas authors are not in ldap, because they were only active in the first months of the bananas era
14:47:10  <frosch123> more weird is that i recognise 3 names of those 21
14:48:09  <frosch123> can you imagine being so annoying for a few months, that you are still recognised 10 years later?
14:51:06  <TrueBrain> haha :D
14:51:13  <TrueBrain> and yes, BaNaNaS lived very briefly without ldap :)
14:51:31  <TrueBrain> and good, you did that already, means I don't have to :) Sweet!
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17:48:07  <andythenorth> what day is it now?
17:50:37  <frosch123> it's the 5th day of truewiki
17:51:59  <andythenorth> nice epoch
17:56:16  <LordAro> March 262nd
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18:07:09  <Wolf01> The frequency of network drivers updates for my system is alarming... like once a week I get disconnected like this time without warning... what if I'm on a conference call?
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18:08:41  <frosch123> good excuse to leave it?
18:09:20  <Wolf01> At least tell me to install at the next reboot
18:10:18  <Wolf01> Updating to 20H2... now I have to reboot
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18:17:00  <Wolf01> BBL
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18:22:43  <Wolf01> Let's see which new crashes they added with this update
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19:22:32  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/aws-infra] LordAro commented on pull request #4: Add: ansible playbook for configuring new caching content servers https://git.io/Jk0qs
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19:39:32  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TinCanTech commented on issue #8339: [Question] Rate limit password entry for multiplayer https://git.io/JkTYo
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19:46:00  <Wolf01> Too much quiet
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19:46:21  <Wolf01> Is andythenorth plotting something?
19:53:00  <frosch123> plotters only have a few colours
19:53:11  <frosch123> don't think andy can draw cc with them
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20:06:32  <andythenorth> I am plotting nothing
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20:06:38  <andythenorth> I have fallen in a motivation hole :P
20:06:59  <Wolf01> Welcome to my life
20:07:58  <Wolf01> I'm on the event horizon of a motivation black hole since I was born
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20:08:03  <andythenorth> I thought I was implementing something cool, which was fun
20:08:16  <andythenorth> but it turns out to be nearly-cool-but-just-not
20:08:52  <andythenorth> TL;DR offering players choices via newgrf parameter is stupid, but I remembered that too late
20:09:10  <andythenorth> now I am 80% into completing my idea, but I am demotivated because it's pointless
20:09:20  <andythenorth> pls send more lolz
20:09:51  <Wolf01> It's not stupid, it's just not well designed
20:10:05  <andythenorth> _most_ players won't be able to use it
20:10:17  <andythenorth> because I forgot, most players can't change parameters in game
20:10:34  <Wolf01> But you satisfy the ones which can and want to use it
20:10:38  <andythenorth> I don't mind designing features just for me, but it's not that kind of feature
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20:13:18  <Wolf01> I usually don't do stuff to be liked from others, I do what I need and in the way I would use it... then if others like it too, well... nice
20:14:04  <Wolf01> Job is the opposite: I do things I won't even use and in the most complicate way my boss could think
20:15:01  <Wolf01> So I might get annoyed doing things I would like to do better
20:20:51  <andythenorth> I have replaced 2 broken lightbulbs
20:20:55  * andythenorth happy again
20:20:58  <andythenorth> goals achieved
20:21:31  <Wolf01> My current goal is to live to the weekend
20:29:16  <andythenorth> well make sure you do
20:30:18  <Wolf01> I do the bare minimum
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23:28:53  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TinCanTech commented on issue #8034: Text in cheat menu window is excessively dramatic https://git.io/Jvrdw
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