Log for #openttd on 27th November 2020:
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00:19:04  <Gustavo6046> oops
00:19:16  <Gustavo6046> I accidentally raised a massive chunk of land off the seabed \o/
00:19:18  <Gustavo6046> nielsm: ooh, cool
00:19:25  <Gustavo6046> :D
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01:07:27  <Gustavo6046> and I did a thing. It looks cool to me, idk about you :P. It's a long(-ish?) maglev rail that crosses several seas(?) to deliver goods.
01:07:36  <Gustavo6046> It's not too impressive
01:08:14  <Gustavo6046> Sorry for the bitrate
01:08:22  <Gustavo6046> my PC is a sad thing
01:08:27  <Gustavo6046> more like sedentary desk laptop but still
01:12:30  <_dp_> ugh, those turns
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07:22:48  <andythenorth> OOOOF
07:22:52  <andythenorth> waking up time :|
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09:33:25  <TrueBrain> wake up slowly, I feel ripped off when they're not here, 'cause it's cold and lonely, silent when they're not here
09:36:52  <TrueBrain> for context
09:39:09  <andythenorth> is this your childhood singing career TrueBrain? :o
09:39:27  <TrueBrain> hahaha, no
09:39:59  <TrueBrain> Google is really bad ..... in the search dashboard, it tells me this for an URL: URL is not on Google
09:40:07  <TrueBrain> when I google it, I find it as #1 result
09:40:10  <TrueBrain> how .............
09:41:38  <andythenorth> ouch
09:41:46  <andythenorth> I was looking at exact same thing here
09:41:52  <andythenorth> I was about to write 'fuck google'
09:41:54  <TrueBrain> how can you be this broken?
09:42:05  <TrueBrain> I mean, that your own dashboard tells another truth about your own search engine
09:42:37  <TrueBrain> the worst part ... it tells me the URL is removed 10 days ago
09:44:19  <TrueBrain> Coverage report hasn't updated in a few days now ..
09:46:27  <andythenorth> I got crawled on 20 Nov
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10:39:22  <TrueBrain> heelo DorpsGek_iv :P
10:39:25  <TrueBrain> heeeeeelo
10:39:26  <TrueBrain> @whoami
10:39:27  <DorpsGek_iv> TrueBrain: TrueBrain
10:39:27  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: TrueBrain
10:39:29  <TrueBrain> DOUBLE REPLY
10:39:30  <TrueBrain> :D
10:39:35  <TrueBrain> well, that works :)
10:39:45  <TrueBrain> now to deploy it on AWS, I say :)
10:39:46  <Timberwolf> REPLY SPREE.
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10:41:08  <Eddi|zuHause> how are we up to DorpsGek_IV now? :p
10:41:23  <LordAro> i'm not sure what happened to dorpsgek_ii, tbh
10:42:16  <Eddi|zuHause> maybe we don't talk about DorpsGek_II... maybe it's like Highlander 2, or Matrix 2 :p
10:42:53  <TrueBrain> yeah .. it is a good thing to not talk about DorpsGek_ii
10:44:20  <TrueBrain> it was first seen 2018-08-04 ...
10:45:22  <TrueBrain> and last seen 2019-08-31
10:45:29  <TrueBrain> his life was not that long ... we all miss him dearly ...
10:45:59  <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i would have thought it was much longer ago
10:46:09  <TrueBrain> no, it ran on the kubernetes cluster
10:46:23  <TrueBrain> which survived for like 18 months or so :P
10:47:28  <TrueBrain> right, web interface to see the logs .. eeeuuuuhhhhhhhhh
10:47:59  <SpComb^> 
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10:48:53  <TrueBrain> I like it when you say nothing at all :D
10:48:55  <LordAro> 
10:49:03  <TrueBrain> owh yeah ... talk dirty ...
10:50:25  <TrueBrain> hmm, Limnoria also logs the host of users joining/leaving
10:50:28  <TrueBrain> the old one didn't do that
10:50:33  <Eddi|zuHause> what if that was actually dirty talk, in whitespace? :p
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10:52:32  <TrueBrain> right, lurk here for a bit DorpsGek_iv , and report your findings, plzzzzz
10:53:26  <Eddi|zuHause> is IRC Logs even allowed since GDPR?
10:53:31  <LordAro> @calc 1 << (1 << (1 << 10))
10:53:31  <DorpsGek> LordAro: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
10:53:46  <LordAro> @calc 1 ^ (1 ^ (1 ^ 10))
10:53:46  <DorpsGek> LordAro: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
10:53:58  <LordAro> @calc 1 ** (1 ** (1 ** 10))
10:53:58  <DorpsGek> LordAro: 1
10:54:08  <LordAro> wait, i'm an idiot
10:54:11  <TrueBrain> yup
10:54:12  <TrueBrain> :P
10:54:13  <TrueBrain> <3
10:54:24  <LordAro> @calc 2 ** (2 ** (2 ** 10))
10:54:24  <DorpsGek> LordAro: Error: The answer exceeded 1.79769313486e+308 or so.
10:54:29  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but how is that related? :p
10:54:45  <TrueBrain> I also like how you are talking to the old bot not all of a sudden :)
10:55:07  <Eddi|zuHause> we pray to the old bots and the new.
10:59:50  <TrueBrain> hmm ... to publish everyone's IP till the end of time in the logs, somehow .. I am not really fancy doing that :P
11:00:06  <TrueBrain> am = do, or fancy = fancying
11:03:40  <Eddi|zuHause> LordAro: i feel like the 10 in the last calculation is stilll wrong. but i'm too tired to think about maths right now
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12:06:52  <longtomjr> @TrueBrain, can you not just mask the IPs?
12:06:58  <longtomjr> if you want to keep the logs
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12:10:22  <andythenorth> TrueBrain we'd have to get all GDPR about that
12:10:23  <andythenorth> can we now?
12:10:26  <andythenorth> not *
12:11:20  <LordAro> a note in the topic to say that the channel is logged at <address> is probably sufficient
12:12:06  <orudge> IP addresses by themselves do not count as personally identifiable information
12:12:12  <orudge> It needs to be combined with something else, I believe
12:12:27  <orudge> and if you post your full name, address, etc, in the channel, well, that's your problem, I'd argue :D
12:13:51  <andythenorth> my political views :P
12:14:03  <longtomjr> when it comes to these things I just tend to err on the side of caution. if IP addresses can be seen by some laywers in the EU as personal identifiable info, lets just not have it.
12:15:08  <LordAro> not particularly difficult to scrub the connection hostnames from the logs, i'd argue
12:16:38  <orudge> There appear to be at least two public sites offering a live log of #openttd right this minute anyway
12:17:00  <longtomjr> That is not hosted by ottd?
12:17:07  <orudge> Yep
12:17:17  <orudge> One seems to include IPs/hostnames, one doesn't
12:17:20  <longtomjr> Well, then we use that and it is someone else's problem :P
12:17:21  <orudge>
12:17:21  <orudge>
12:18:30  <longtomjr> "Report bugs or criticize source on GitHub" (with a link) that is priceless
12:32:58  <dwfreed> the is hosted by somebody I know
12:33:53  <dwfreed> they are US-based, and haven't been particularly active on IRC in a while, since before GDPR was a thing
12:36:39  <TrueBrain> andythenorth: not sure why GDPR got in this conversation; I just generally do not fancy publishing IPs of people :)
12:37:00  <TrueBrain> hasn't tried to avoid these kinds of broadcast since .. well .. 2004 :P
12:37:18  <TrueBrain> it is simply not the right thing to do; GDPR enforces this ... common sense :)
12:37:19  <andythenorth> I will subscribe to your newsletter
12:37:55  <TrueBrain> too often I read that "because of GDPR" .. but more often people should think about: "what is the sane ethical way to do this"
12:38:47  <TrueBrain> but, I guess it is the reason we are in this hot privacy mess .. because too many people were like: there is no law against that
12:39:00  <TrueBrain> and too few were: what would I think about this if this was my information
12:39:25  <longtomjr> It helps that people think about it at least. A lot of folks would not even think about it being potentially unethical etc. before GDPR. Now people are at least thinking about the impact of these things, even if it is to save their own bacon
12:39:58  <TrueBrain> and that is exactly my point: they now only thinking within the lines draw by GDPR
12:40:17  <TrueBrain> so if they find a way to comply with GDPR, it is fine .. completely forgetting to think about what GDPR tries to say
12:40:17  <dwfreed> IP addresses aren't private, and the information is already available to anybody in the channel, since it's a public channel
12:40:25  <longtomjr> Yep, but I would argue that it is still better than not thinking about it at all.
12:40:37  <TrueBrain> there is a huge difference between information being available here and now dwfreed , and keeping it for ever and ever available on the web
12:40:44  <TrueBrain> longtomjr: nobody is disagreeing
12:40:53  <longtomjr> TrueBrain, I am realising that :P
12:40:55  <TrueBrain> my point is that it is stupid we need laws to get people to think about it at all :)
12:41:07  <andythenorth> I am hard agreeing, I just don't want to do a DPIA for irc logs
12:41:21  <TrueBrain> storing the IP is like that you walk in a bar to leave your address for Covid-19
12:41:26  <TrueBrain> and that they publish that on the web for ever and ever
12:41:26  <dwfreed> *shrug* many ISPs have short IP assignment lifetimes
12:41:33  <TrueBrain> like .. no sane person would say that is okay :P
12:41:44  <TrueBrain> even if that address was only the "city you came from"
12:42:06  <TrueBrain> dwfreed: STRONGLY depends on your country
12:42:10  <longtomjr> dwfreed, in the end it is a potential way to identify, or help identify a person. So the information attached to it should be treated as such
12:42:10  <TrueBrain> there is some heavy bias there :)
12:42:32  <TrueBrain> most Dutch providers for example, have near-static assignments
12:43:01  <TrueBrain> (only if you are offline for more than 24 hours, it changes on some)
12:43:15  <dwfreed> I doubt that anything is going to change
12:43:36  <TrueBrain> that is a pretty blank statement; what do you mean? :)
12:44:23  <dwfreed> at least as far as is concerned, I doubt he's going to change his log format or strip the IPs from the existing logs
12:44:39  <TrueBrain> but I am not him; I can only fix things in my control :)
12:44:51  <TrueBrain> so I have choices in how I am going to resolve it :)
12:45:20  <TrueBrain> just because someone else is doing I don't agree with, doesn't make it okay for me to copy that behaviour :P :D
12:45:26  <dwfreed> in part because I don't know if he's particularly reachable right now; I'd have to check with mutual friends that are more likely to be able to get ahold of him in meatspace
12:45:49  <TrueBrain> just for your context, I was talking about the logs we are going to make available on
12:50:02  <TrueBrain> in the end, when it comes to ethical concerns, you can only fix the things you have control over :)
12:50:25  <TrueBrain> (and mind you, I am staying for away if it is allowed by GDPR or not .. that is not a discussion I want to have :D)
12:52:00  <longtomjr> Did you say you are giving me legal advice? Am I your client now?
12:52:06  <longtomjr> :P
12:52:15  <TrueBrain> :D
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13:09:06  <Eddi|zuHause> <dwfreed> IP addresses aren't private, and the information is already available to anybody in the channel, since it's a public channel <-- that's not a good argument. GDPR is specifically about storing data that is "available anyway"
13:09:29  <TrueBrain> and someone missed the gist of the story ;)
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14:07:18  <TrueBrain> <- lot of dead-links, but .. it is a start :)
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14:16:42  <TrueBrain> I should enable the "reload plugin" option .. :P
14:19:27  <TrueBrain> given frosch is the biggest user of this backlog, I guess I have to wait and ask him if this works for him :P
14:19:41  <TrueBrain> I was considering colouring the usernames; that might help a bit for readability
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14:36:22  <TrueBrain> @kick Xaroth it has to be tested some day ...
14:36:22  *** Xaroth was kicked by DorpsGek (it has to be tested some day ...)
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14:36:31  <Xaroth> ...
14:36:38  <TrueBrain> what? it works!
14:36:52  <Xaroth> @whoami
14:36:52  <DorpsGek> Xaroth: I don't recognize you.
14:36:54  <Xaroth> bah
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15:41:56  <milek7> some IRC network just mask hostnames
15:42:40  <milek7> like that: nick@7717E5F4:47EF6383:F36E20:IP
15:43:56  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, but doing that in logs is tricky because you don't have any information what's IP and what's not
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15:49:45  <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, i don't see any reason why we need IPs in the log, thus the general approach should be "don't store any data that you don't need"
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16:57:08  <Eddi|zuHause> <TrueBrain> too often I read that "because of GDPR" .. but more often people should think about: "what is the sane ethical way to do this" <-- well, concerning the "gist" of the conversation, we wouldn't need GDPR if more people were doing "the ethical" thing in the first place
16:58:16  <Eddi|zuHause> GDPR is basically "the absolute minimum" of ethical consideration
16:59:22  <Eddi|zuHause> if someone is not following GDPR, the world (or, at least, the internet) would probably better off if they didn't do anything at all
17:00:48  <Eddi|zuHause> some people need a sheet of paper saying "this is the law" to do The Right Thing(tm), and some people only listen after paying X amount of money, and some people don't listen at all
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17:32:17  <frosch123> DorpsGek_iv does not recognise me
17:32:24  <frosch123> but without being op, it probably can't kick
17:33:10  <frosch123> also, was info@ moved? or did just the ssl cert expire?
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18:13:17  <andythenorth> well
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18:13:22  * andythenorth drawing trains
18:17:28  <andythenorth> I should stop
18:17:31  <andythenorth> there are enough
18:27:49  <andythenorth> it's always so fun though :)
18:28:08  <andythenorth> trains are easy to draw, and there are no real limits in the spec
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18:28:14  <supermop_Home> yo
18:28:18  <andythenorth> yo
18:29:42  <supermop_Home> andythenorth are railcar trailers gone now?
18:29:50  <andythenorth> not intentionally
18:29:53  <supermop_Home> or did i mess us some settings
18:29:56  <andythenorth> you're playing a game?
18:29:59  <supermop_Home> yes
18:30:06  <supermop_Home> for first time in a while
18:30:22  <andythenorth> the intro dates can't be synchronised, is it that maybe?
18:30:58  <andythenorth>
18:32:41  <supermop_Home> does it depend on the simplified gameplay param?
18:36:42  <andythenorth> they're probably removed
18:38:32  <andythenorth> supermop_Home yup removed in simplified
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18:59:09  <supermop_Home> ok
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19:22:59  <andythenorth> should 'replace vehicles' use the group colour scheme? :)
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19:53:35  <TrueBrain> frosch123: DorpsGek_iv only knows me atm :) Is the backlog sufficient for you?
19:53:47  <TrueBrain> and properly the cert expired ... I want to migrate the mail; renewing it is just wasting money :P
19:53:57  <TrueBrain> but .. still waiting for planetmaker / fonsinchen / SmatZ / Rubidium to reply :)
19:54:33  <TrueBrain> I think Sunday or so I switch anyway, by making mailboxes for those 4 people to capture any mail .. and once we know what they want, figure it out then
19:55:40  <frosch123> well, there were two cases of people talking to senior dorpsgek, while pretending to test baby dorpsgek
19:56:02  <frosch123> anyway, logs are up-to-date, without that obiwan bug of the old one
19:56:11  <TrueBrain> I took good care of that, yes :)
19:56:35  <TrueBrain> and I loved that people did not get that they were talking to baby dorpsgek .. that was cute :)
19:56:45  <frosch123> i can only see todays logs, the rest is 404
19:56:57  <TrueBrain> yes, it is not finished like that
19:57:04  <TrueBrain> was mostly curious of today is what you would expect
19:57:09  <frosch123> no idea which other channels it may expose
19:57:11  <TrueBrain> after that, I can finish the rest easily :)
19:57:18  <TrueBrain> I am whitelisting it
19:57:23  <frosch123> what did you expect me to expect?
19:57:28  <TrueBrain> so not the secret channel :P
19:57:32  <TrueBrain> well, you read the backlog the most
19:57:35  <frosch123> it's more colorful than the old one :p
19:57:41  <TrueBrain> the old one had a button for it! :D
19:57:43  <frosch123> you can link to lines
19:57:47  <TrueBrain> but I was mostly curious if I missed anything or what-ever
19:57:55  <frosch123> don'T know what more
19:58:06  <TrueBrain> sometimes a question is just that simple :)
19:58:26  <frosch123> can you make https?://\S* linkable?
19:58:54  <frosch123> but not important either :)
19:58:59  <TrueBrain> I could .. do you want to?
19:59:02  <TrueBrain> it is a simple regex
19:59:24  <frosch123> could something explode?
19:59:41  <TrueBrain> it could be wrong, but that is about it :P
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20:00:12  <TrueBrain> there, now it knows you frosch123
20:00:16  <TrueBrain> at least .. I think
20:00:18  <TrueBrain> %whois frosch123
20:00:18  <frosch123> @whoami
20:00:19  <DorpsGek> frosch123: frosch
20:00:25  <frosch123> %whoami
20:00:25  <DorpsGek_iv> frosch123: frosch
20:00:29  <TrueBrain> TADA!
20:00:31  <frosch123> oh, new char :)
20:00:35  <TrueBrain> for now, yes
20:00:40  <TrueBrain> I wanted to avoid a battle between those two :P
20:01:03  <TrueBrain> %topic get 0
20:01:03  <frosch123> %kick Xaroth
20:01:03  <DorpsGek_iv> frosch123: Error: I need to be at least halfopped to kick someone.
20:01:04  <DorpsGek_iv> TrueBrain: Error: '0' is not a valid topic number.
20:01:18  <TrueBrain> he will become op once I rename it to DorpsGek
20:01:21  <frosch123> what's a halfop?
20:01:29  <frosch123> sounds like a hobbit
20:01:37  <TrueBrain> no clue .. some weird IRC thingy
20:01:45  <TrueBrain> not even sure this IRC network supports that :P
20:02:05  <TrueBrain> but for DorpsGek_iv to become +o it needs to identify with ChanServ, which means DorpsGek would be kicked :P
20:02:07  <frosch123> %topic set 1 1.10.3, DG3
20:02:08  <DorpsGek_iv> frosch123: Error: I can't change the topic, I'm not (half)opped and #openttd is +t.
20:02:24  <TrueBrain> poor bot :)
20:02:25  <frosch123> @op DorpsGek_iv
20:02:25  *** DorpsGek sets mode: +o DorpsGek_iv
20:02:29  <TrueBrain> ha :D
20:02:30  <frosch123> %topic set 1 1.10.3, DG3
20:02:30  *** DorpsGek_iv changes topic to "1.10.3, DG3 | Website: * (source: github, translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 'Latest' is not a valid version, 'Most recent' neither | English only"
20:02:31  <TrueBrain> you smart :P
20:02:33  <frosch123> %topic set 1 1.10.3
20:02:33  *** DorpsGek_iv changes topic to "1.10.3 | Website: * (source: github, translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 'Latest' is not a valid version, 'Most recent' neither | English only"
20:02:37  <frosch123> all fine :)
20:02:56  <frosch123> %deop DorpsGek
20:02:56  *** DorpsGek_iv sets mode: -o DorpsGek
20:03:01  <frosch123> %op DorpsGek
20:03:01  <DorpsGek_iv> frosch123: Error: The command "op" is available in the BetterChannel and Services plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "op".
20:03:09  <frosch123> lol
20:03:13  <TrueBrain> ah, that is a nice bug :)
20:03:18  <TrueBrain> %BetterChannl op DorpsGek
20:03:25  <TrueBrain> %BetterChannel op DorpsGek
20:03:25  *** DorpsGek_iv sets mode: +o DorpsGek
20:03:27  <TrueBrain> typing is hard
20:03:53  <frosch123> almost hostile takeover :)
20:04:55  <frosch123> %say moo
20:04:59  <frosch123> aw
20:05:00  <TrueBrain> sorry :)
20:05:13  <TrueBrain> you can make a PR to add that functionality yourself when I am done :P
20:06:45  <TrueBrain> so all there is left to do, is publish files to S3 every night, and make AWS accept this codebase :D
20:06:57  <TrueBrain> owh, and import old log-files ... 300MiB of log-files :P
20:07:41  <DorpsGek> moo
20:08:15  <LordAro> %seen DorpsGek
20:08:15  <DorpsGek_iv> LordAro: DorpsGek was last seen in #openttd 34 seconds ago: <DorpsGek> moo
20:08:29  <LordAro> %seen Bjarni
20:08:29  <DorpsGek_iv> LordAro: I have not seen Bjarni.
20:09:06  <glx> oh no history is lost
20:09:10  <frosch123> %password
20:09:10  <DorpsGek_iv> frosch123: Error: You don't have permissions to perform this action.
20:09:37  <frosch123> did not expect that
20:09:42  <LordAro> %hack_TrueBrain
20:09:43  <frosch123> only wanted to test glx' script
20:09:54  <glx> it's with a ! and it's my client talking to DorpsGek
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20:10:21  <TrueBrain> @op DorpsGek_iv
20:10:21  *** DorpsGek sets mode: +o DorpsGek_iv
20:10:24  <TrueBrain> %op TrueBrain
20:10:24  <DorpsGek_iv> TrueBrain: Error: The command "op" is available in the BetterChannel and Services plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "op".
20:10:28  <TrueBrain> bah ...
20:11:01  <TrueBrain> I made Services non-public, but that doesn't seem to help :P
20:13:31  <TrueBrain> not sure what I am doing wrong there :P
20:15:26  <TrueBrain> it is the same in the current bot, yet it acts different .. something to figure out tomorrow :)
20:15:33  <TrueBrain> same with password, that should not respond at all
20:15:54  <TrueBrain> guess there is a BetterServices incoming :)
20:16:04  <TrueBrain> all those plugins really have WAY too many commands available :P
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20:29:41  <TrueBrain> frosch123: anyway, mail, I am still not sure what is the best approach here .. it is difficult to reach people who have been afk for months
20:30:45  <TrueBrain> I guess if we migrate (which in results means they won't be able to access their email) and not reach out in, say, 3 months, we can safely assume we can remove the mailbox?
20:30:53  <TrueBrain> +they
20:31:31  <frosch123> TrueBrain: i don't think you need to wait for people who are not even members of github org
20:31:59  <frosch123> if you have not been active for 2.5 years (or 1.5? not sure), then you also do not read your email
20:32:08  <frosch123> so, that leaves planetmaker only?
20:32:20  <TrueBrain> I guess
20:32:24  <TrueBrain> yeah, indeed
20:33:50  <TrueBrain> he hasn't checked his mailbox in at least 30 days; but I guess if I just make a new mailbox for him, the email will at least arrive
20:33:56  <TrueBrain> he just won't have access :P
20:34:29  <TrueBrain> when he drops by again, I can setup the forward, and give access to the mailbox if needed
20:35:04  <andythenorth> hmm is my OpenTTD game done?  114 years so far
20:35:29  <TrueBrain> okay, I will just do that this weekend .. as an invalid cert also has some issues with some other systems :D
20:35:39  <TrueBrain> (nothing unresolvable .. but annoying :P)
20:42:03  <frosch123> 2.5 years, i looked it up :) it's so hard to keep track of years
20:43:48  <TrueBrain> especially 2020 .....
20:43:52  <TrueBrain> what a weird year :P
20:44:02  <TrueBrain> I really cannot differentiate between March and tomorrow :P
20:44:49  <frosch123> i have no problem with weekdays and with time of year
20:44:56  <frosch123> but weeks and years are hard :)
20:45:06  <frosch123> they are just repetitions of patterns
20:45:23  <frosch123> i knew we moved to github around easter, but not whether 2018 or 2019
20:47:42  <TrueBrain> <- rough translation: "extremely busy in city center; GO HOME!". Dutch people who put ! at the end of sentences is an indication they REALLY mean it .. it is very uncommon to see that on these signs :P
20:47:52  <TrueBrain> people are fucking stupid ... they all went shopping for Black Friday
20:48:19  <TrueBrain> (which ran all week, to add to injury)
20:49:33  <TrueBrain> frosch123: remember that 3 years ago we used FlySpray to review patches ..... can you still imagine that? The horror? :P
20:50:23  <frosch123> oh, i think i stopped reviewing earlier. either people got it right on the first try, i could fix minor issues myself, or there was no point argueing
20:50:43  <TrueBrain> well, that hasn't changed :P
20:50:45  <TrueBrain> :D
20:51:02  <TrueBrain> I sometimes like reminding myself where we came from, at work, at a project ..
20:51:07  <TrueBrain> so much fun how easily you forget progression
20:51:32  <frosch123> i think there was a time when 3 devs tried to explain people on the forums how to indent with tabs and spaces
20:51:57  <frosch123> but honestly, i never met a good coder who could not indent
20:52:12  <frosch123> so, no indenting skills is an easy early filter
20:52:23  <frosch123> probably also the reason why python is so nice :p
20:52:28  <TrueBrain> :D
20:53:50  <andythenorth> the general horror of FS :)
20:53:55  <andythenorth> 968 issues
20:53:58  <andythenorth> or something
20:54:31  <frosch123> you are counting feature requests
20:54:39  <frosch123> we did not have so many bugs :)
20:54:53  <TrueBrain> closing all feature requests did help with that number, yes :D
20:56:37  <andythenorth> I have given up on gardening Github though :D
20:56:50  <TrueBrain> more people have given up on more things :P
20:56:51  <andythenorth> it's just more 10x more fun to make newgrf
20:56:55  <TrueBrain> but that is not the topic of today :)
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20:57:30  <frosch123> andythenorth: where is css on that scale? 3x ?
20:57:40  <andythenorth> 0.3x
20:57:55  <frosch123> oh, closing issues is more fun than css?
20:57:58  <andythenorth> css is about as appealing as writing raw nfo
20:58:12  <andythenorth> I hate hate hate hate css
20:58:58  <andythenorth> and I can't be arsed to try and explain about LESS or SASS to people who take pride in 'beautifully hand-crafted styles'
20:59:03  <andythenorth> css developers are perverse
20:59:31  * andythenorth drawing ingots
20:59:37  <andythenorth>
20:59:51  <andythenorth> pls implement 'shiny' pixels thanks
20:59:59  <andythenorth> I asked the other day and it STILL isn't done
21:00:03  <andythenorth> wtf?
21:00:11  <Wolf01> irc in vr is nice, you can zoom by moving your head toward the screen
21:00:33  <andythenorth> ha ha
21:00:43  <andythenorth> and have like butterflies and stuff flying around?
21:00:50  <andythenorth> is frosch123 actually a frog in irc?
21:00:53  <Wolf01> yeah
21:01:19  <frosch123> what do the zombies look like?
21:01:58  <TrueBrain> "you can zoom by moving your head toward the screen" ... did he really just say that?
21:02:06  <TrueBrain> you don't need VR for that silly :P
21:02:37  <andythenorth> this isn't vr?
21:02:49  <Wolf01> oh that's true :P
21:02:55  <frosch123> no, this is the real thing
21:03:03  <frosch123> everything else is vr
21:03:13  <TrueBrain> Wolf01: you made me laugh out loud, tnx for that :D
21:08:41  <andythenorth> hmm, how much cargo sprite randomisation?
21:10:57  <andythenorth> none
21:11:08  <andythenorth> random colours randomise, it's weird randomising cargo too
21:18:55  <frosch123> randomise the cargo income, to annoy players?
21:19:50  <frosch123> wait, better idea
21:20:05  <frosch123> make cargo payment depend on day of month, so people have to fine-tune timetables
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21:21:05  <andythenorth> quite realistic also
21:21:09  <andythenorth> for so many reasons
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21:38:08  <Wolf01> I should try OpenTTD in vr
21:39:10  <Wolf01> But not today, minecraft killed me :P
21:40:22  * andythenorth finally doing the Steeltown cargo sprites for vehicles
21:40:29  <andythenorth> was kind of the original point :P
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21:45:02  <_dp_> I wonder what's worse: openttd in vr or on phone
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21:48:37  <Wolf01> The only thing I hope is it doesn't implement teleport movement :>
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22:04:19  <milek7> there's that 3d patchset on forums
22:05:48  <milek7> so.. ottd map as VR railroad model thing? :P
22:06:39  <Wolf01> Could be amazing
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22:30:35  <andythenorth> can Eddi|zuHause finish the town grid patch? :P
22:33:58  <glx> internet has some issues for me tonight, can't chat on twitch (but watching is ok), same for discord, but both work when using 4G
22:38:19  <TrueBrain> Owh, shit, I forgot to mute you on here too .. we all agreed on that last week.. oops ... twitch and discord are going to be mad at me now ...
22:39:07  <TrueBrain> <3
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22:45:55  <glx> lol
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