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00:08:17 <_glx_> as a bonus it allowed to reintroduce raw strings to GS 00:32:59 *** Eddi|zuHause has quit IRC 00:33:28 *** Eddi|zuHause has joined #openttd 01:03:29 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 01:27:59 *** wensimehrp has joined #openttd 01:27:59 <wensimehrp> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1228879392382386256/nosync.png?ex=662da61e&is=661b311e&hm=86e985dcc7bf31c1b20c9bef8fa0c2305b0b07b2abfe1214f57518a403c04a21& 01:27:59 <wensimehrp> Is this working as intended? 01:28:23 *** emperorjake has joined #openttd 01:28:23 <emperorjake> Yes, you have it set to amount:planned 01:28:35 <wensimehrp> I know that 01:29:17 <wensimehrp> If it's amount: planned then it should report the amount of cargo that is going to be transported per month I assume 01:29:28 <wensimehrp> and the cargoflow reported a much larger number 01:31:37 <wensimehrp> The numbers don't match 01:51:19 <wensimehrp> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1228885263774777414/image.png?ex=662dab96&is=661b3696&hm=b1d5fd69965137b191e728cf3d7bdb388cf66c39065b19504e288a8adcac4583& 01:51:19 <wensimehrp> It's synced now 🤔 02:40:28 *** gnu_jj has joined #openttd 02:46:15 *** D-HUND has joined #openttd 03:01:36 *** D-HUND is now known as debdog 03:12:52 *** gelignite has quit IRC 03:23:59 *** calbasi[m]1 has quit IRC 04:11:51 *** keikoz has joined #openttd 04:48:39 *** fiddeldibu[m] has quit IRC 04:50:10 *** freu[m] has quit IRC 05:02:53 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] eints-sync[bot] pushed 1 commits to master https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/commit/29e932e087b1c520ed5dcb91036b67d64f586a2e 05:02:54 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators) 05:49:25 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 05:58:57 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 06:11:03 *** Smedles has quit IRC 06:11:09 *** Smedles has joined #openttd 06:47:33 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 06:58:15 <andythenorth> given an industry layout, as a matrix of (x, y) tuples, what transformations do I need to rotate the layout 90 degrees, 180 degrees, 270 degrees 07:24:48 <andythenorth> I could do it with trigonometry 07:25:08 <andythenorth> isn't there shortcut using matrix multiplication? 07:26:01 <andythenorth> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotation_matrix#Common_2D_rotations 07:33:09 <andythenorth> stack overflow is suggesting linear algebra in numpy 07:33:24 <andythenorth> that's a bit more of a steep learning curve than I was anticipating 😛 07:34:45 <andythenorth> maybe GPT knows 07:38:29 <andythenorth> GPT suggests e9ab3259738a388d0db2c959/gistfile1.txt 07:38:49 <andythenorth> GPT suggests https://gist.githubusercontent.com/andythenorth/503ddc2474b99ca27e0a87870082ca81/raw/a4b30d8a6e6b05d4e9ab3259738a388d0db2c959/gistfile1.txt 07:48:22 <_zephyris> Looks about right, swap and negate 07:49:08 <_zephyris> Easy enough to work out from the rotation matrix so it the trig terms, which reduce to +/-1 for steps of 9p 07:50:12 <andythenorth> thanks 07:50:25 <andythenorth> I have real blind spots in maths / algorithms 😛 07:50:44 <andythenorth> it gives me a teeny bit of sympathy for people where maths just makes no sense 07:56:47 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 08:38:01 <alfagamma7> Matrix transformation for industry layout 08:38:06 <alfagamma7> interesting 08:59:29 *** esselfe has joined #openttd 09:07:00 <xarick> 14.0 is launched 09:07:33 <xarick> 14.0 launched on 14-04 09:07:40 <xarick> 2024 09:07:51 <xarick> or was it 13? 09:08:37 <peter1138> I'm launching some coffee. 09:08:52 <truebrain> into your BELLY 09:09:30 <peter1138> Nature made it that way. 09:11:11 <andythenorth> well 09:11:13 <andythenorth> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1228995970772242514/image.png?ex=662e12b1&is=661b9db1&hm=bc33a620fb21b9a01d5a08870e1933c0e268ceae4a0699df128928f23963268c& 09:11:24 <andythenorth> tile xy rotation is working 09:11:24 <peter1138> That's a port, not a well. 09:11:33 <andythenorth> needs sprite rotation also 😛 09:12:03 <andythenorth> we're not going to add industry sub-layouts to OpenTTD, yes | no? 09:12:21 <andythenorth> "predicting the future is hard" 09:13:01 <truebrain> most reactions to 14.0 are widely positive; that is a shocker 09:15:12 <andythenorth> my experience is that if people had fun making the thing 09:15:19 <andythenorth> then people enjoy it when it's shipped 09:15:38 <truebrain> that is why I am so surprised 09:16:34 <andythenorth> nobody had fun making it? 😛 09:19:49 <peter1138> Most? 09:19:55 <peter1138> I'm interested in those that are not. 09:20:07 <truebrain> glass half empty kinda guy 😛 09:20:14 <truebrain> but I had a hard time finding negative reactions, tbh 09:20:27 <truebrain> even on reddit and HackerNews, people were positive 09:22:18 <peter1138> Someone on Steam says the map generator defaults to the old generator... seems unlikely. 09:22:42 <truebrain> yeah, I mentioned that yesterday to 2tt, that I suspect they were toying with it, and forgot about it 09:22:50 <truebrain> as knowing it exists alone means you have toyed with it 😛 09:24:24 <peter1138> Yup. Default has always been TGP, even when there was an easy way to change it. 09:25:28 <peter1138> Nobody posted anything to the forums 😄 09:25:41 <peter1138> Unless kamnet is our official forum poster. 09:25:52 <peter1138> But that post is pinned so will mostly be ignored by everyone. 09:26:00 <truebrain> the beta post is also still pinned 09:27:30 <andythenorth> yeah the pin makes it hard to find the 14.0 09:27:37 <andythenorth> there are 2 posts about delay that catch the eye instead 09:27:54 <truebrain> I used to not pin release post for a while, just so it was more visible 09:28:10 <truebrain> but that was in a time people also actually used the forums 🙂 09:28:16 <peter1138> I've unpinned and changed the title 09:28:51 <truebrain> still weird tt-forums had an "official" post about the "delay" 09:28:59 <truebrain> I like it more if our socials are all in sync 🙂 09:29:21 <peter1138> That was posted on Reddit as well. 09:29:45 <peter1138> And probably Steam. 09:29:56 <peter1138> I'm not sure why. 09:30:25 <peter1138> Thanks for bumping the thread andy 😄 09:30:56 <truebrain> yeah, but none of them initiated via us 09:31:04 <truebrain> so with the best of intentions, I do not like socials to be out of sync like that 🙂 09:32:01 <andythenorth> peter1138: "delayed" was above "released" 😛 09:36:15 <truebrain> okay, reading up on socials .. I know a solution 😄 09:36:36 <peter1138> Have none 😄 09:37:28 <truebrain> kamnet: I really appreciate the proactive stance you take with communication on socials etc. For any next time (and I really hope there isn't another 'delay' like this), would you mind terribly following our normal flow for this. As in: PR on our website repo with a short text, with socials texts in there. That way we all push the same information to all socials at the same time 🙂 09:37:28 <truebrain> This btw holds for anyone who wants to help out. It is always appreciated, but please involve us in the flow of information 🙂 09:37:51 *** johnfranklin has joined #openttd 09:37:52 <johnfranklin> andythenorth: 90deg: (-y, x) 09:37:52 <johnfranklin> 180deg: (-x, -y) 09:37:52 <johnfranklin> 270deg: (y, -x) 09:38:21 <peter1138> The weird part of the delayed message was... we had no announced release date, and the use of "delayed indefinitely" which, while literally might mean undefined delay, in general use is code for "cancelled" 09:38:46 <truebrain> that is why we normally create a PR first, so we can all pitch in getting the message right 🙂 09:38:57 <truebrain> peer reviewing has its benefits 🙂 09:40:50 <peter1138> Okay but what music shall I put on today... 09:41:32 <truebrain> green, with a stripe of purple 09:41:36 <truebrain> would be my suggestion 🙂 09:41:57 <peter1138> Smells good. 10:01:34 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN opened pull request #12495: Codechange: Use directory_iterator to find language files. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/12495 10:04:20 <peter1138> I get rid of ttd_opendir eventually, but this is just a smaller step. 10:06:54 <peter1138> Although having thoughts about how to neatly use OTTD2FS/FS2OTTD consistently. 10:07:59 <peter1138> Difficult with our define for fopen() as it is right now. 10:21:09 *** rau117 has joined #openttd 10:21:09 <rau117> Is titlegame (opntitle.dat) now being loaded from some other location? At the moment my openttd 14.0 loads just the standard titlegame (like from master builds), but ../openttd-14.0/baseset/opntitle.dat contains exactly what it should - the save of the titlegame competition winner 10:23:44 <rau117> I guess this is due to the fact that after some update it was no longer enough to “place X in the game folder” for X to take priority over /docs/openttd/X 10:23:44 <rau117> at least openttd.cfg must be explicitly specified in the game shortcut… 10:25:50 <peter1138> Open the console and type `list_dirs baseset` 10:26:07 <peter1138> I believe that is listed in the order it will look for `opntitle.dat`. 10:28:28 <peter1138> Seems the order might have changed since 13.4, with my GOG installed version I get the GOG path first, with the Steam 14.0 version the Steam path is 3rd. 10:28:35 <_glx_> If there's one in documents, it takes priority 10:29:04 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] hmkemppainen commented on issue #12492: [Bug]: The description for "minutes per year" could improved https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/12492 10:29:37 <peter1138> Not sure if the change was intentional, but it feels the order is correct now. 10:30:02 <peter1138> As glx says, the one in your documents should take priority. 10:36:50 <truebrain> there were some changes in what order is looked for what files, yes 🙂 10:37:05 <rau117> Eh, even if this is intended, it has become much less convenient (and maybe even impossible) to create separate versions of the game while maintaining the ability to use common content. 10:38:09 <truebrain> the changes did not change what setups were possible; so I doubt the "impossible" is valid 10:42:11 <peter1138> If you don't want to override `opntitle.dat`, don't put it in a place that will override it. 10:42:47 <peter1138> There is no reason to have one in your documents directory. 10:46:41 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] hmkemppainen commented on issue #12492: [Bug]: The description for "minutes per year" could improved https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/12492 10:49:47 <peter1138> Twitter: 23 reposts, 77 likes. 10:49:47 <peter1138> Fediverse: 155 boosts, 211 likes. 10:49:49 <peter1138> Nice 😄 10:49:55 *** gelignite has quit IRC 10:49:56 <truebrain> you go girl! 10:50:49 <kamnet> truebrain: I'll try to remember, but to be honest I've been experiencing some health-related memory issues for awhile now, so I may not remember. But if somebody shoots me some text and asks me to post it, I can do that no problem 🙂 10:51:08 <truebrain> no, it is more the other way around 🙂 10:51:30 <truebrain> if you want to communicate things like "release is delayed!", please check in with us 🙂 10:51:44 <truebrain> streamlines the whole process, and makes everyone aligned on the content 🙂 10:53:45 <peter1138> Oh, and 1 vs 9 comments. 11:03:58 <peter1138> Okay, more rabbit holes. 11:04:06 <truebrain> oh-oh 11:10:33 *** klote has joined #openttd 11:10:33 <klote> Hi did you make any changes on RCON in 14? 11:10:53 <klote> is it still listening to the same port? 11:15:35 <klote> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1229027267309473942/image.png?ex=662e2fd6&is=661bbad6&hm=04c26ed0738e8cb301f931e9d049429b50ba90654fba41fe2489b8ef92bf6a5b& 11:15:35 <klote> this isnt correct right? 11:15:48 <klote> its part of secrets but that part should be 14? 11:17:35 <peter1138> If you mean admin protocol, I think <https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11140> touches it. 11:18:19 <truebrain> klote: `version_string` is not part of `secrets.cfg` (but of `openttd.cfg`). But as we don't remove entries from configuration files, once it ends up in there, it will remain in there. So safe to ignore. 11:18:19 <klote> yeah admin protocol 11:18:33 <klote> ok 11:18:45 <klote> So you dint change anything with admin protocol? 11:19:01 <klote> my discord bot doesnt seem to even connect with the server :/ 11:38:57 *** Ox7C5 has joined #openttd 11:47:50 <andythenorth> grf industry terraforming? 😛 11:51:11 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 has joined #openttd 11:57:28 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 22:57:29 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN merged pull request #12495: Codechange: Use directory_iterator to find language files. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/12495 23:07:14 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 23:18:41 *** bertvvvs has joined #openttd