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07:59:14  <Terkhen> what are the ./configure options used when building stable releases? is there anything I'm missing besides --disable-assert?
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10:10:12  <planetmaker> one thing you can't configure is the newgrf version's release bit
10:10:33  <planetmaker> but I doubt it plays a role there
10:10:56  <planetmaker> iirc the optimization flag is higher than for nightly
10:13:23  <Terkhen> hmm... ok, I'll try that, thanks
10:14:10  <Terkhen> https://secure.openttd.org/bugs/task/5274 <--- can anyone reproduce this without Windows? I can reproduce it on windows, but I would like to know if it is an OS issue or an OpenTTD issue before starting to debug what happens
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10:22:28  <planetmaker> Terkhen, I just tried to reproduce but fail to do so as well (linux x64)
10:23:08  <Terkhen> I see, then it's probably a windows only issue
10:23:10  <Terkhen> thanks :)
10:23:15  <Terkhen> let's see what I find
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19:44:00  <planetmaker> so, with the bancrupting thing: do we want other interest than normal on negative cash? (Not really needed...)
19:44:21  <planetmaker> http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/patches/index.php?folder=bancruptcy/ the three patches
19:44:33  <Alberth> what's normal?
19:44:46  <planetmaker> the interest you pay on a loan now
19:45:00  <planetmaker> whatever that is depends a bit on difficulty level
19:47:04  <Alberth> +		 * In order to prevent cheating or abuse (just not paying interest by not
19:47:05  <Alberth> +		 * taking a loan we make companies pay interest on negative cash as well
19:47:05  <Alberth> +		 */
19:47:30  <Alberth> claims differently, also it misses a )  and the */ should be on the previous line
19:48:33  <planetmaker> claims differently? No. It states that we collect interest on negative cash (now), too
19:48:52  <planetmaker> the ) should be after loan)
19:49:06  <Alberth> c->bankrupt_asked = 0;  <-- nice, with a bitmask :)
19:50:29  <planetmaker> what should we do to reset it?
19:51:00  <Alberth> only its own bit would be my guess
19:52:26  <planetmaker> well. You actually want to cancel the whole process of selling off the company. So everything needs reset there, I'd argue
19:52:48  <Alberth> all companies?
19:53:14  <Alberth> case 10:    are the added { and } needed?
19:53:47  <Alberth> CompanyMask bankrupt_asked;      ///< which companies were asked about buying it?  <-- according to patch 3 at least :)
19:54:09  <Alberth> oh, sorry, my fault
19:54:16  <Alberth> code is correct
19:54:34  <planetmaker> the { } are not needed. Actually I added them for sake of consistency
19:55:39  <Alberth> I wonder whether a if else if else if else  would not be nicer
19:56:20  <Alberth> ie there are only 3 cases out of 12 or so
19:57:38  <Alberth> -		 * monthly fee, but on average it will be exact.
19:57:38  <Alberth> +		 * monthly fee, but on average it will be exact.   <-- change this in the 1st patch, so the 3rd does not need to
19:58:08  <planetmaker> yes. Just noticed that inconsistency, too :-)
19:58:57  <Alberth> +			c->months_of_bankruptcy = 3* c->months_of_bankruptcy;  <-- s/3*/3 */  in afterload
19:59:10  <planetmaker> oh. ty
20:00:41  <Alberth> +		 * (if it still had value after 6 months)
20:00:42  <Alberth> +		 */   <-- above case 10, */ should be at the previous line
20:01:44  <planetmaker> ok :-)
20:01:45  <Alberth> If you like normal English sentences as comment you're missing a few dots  :)
20:02:31  <planetmaker> :-) I'll add them then. I guess I like sentences in code. Unlike... on IRC :-P
20:03:04  <Alberth> -Change: Check for bancruptcy monthly to make it harder to accidentially bancrupt your company  <-- I wonder whether that is true
20:03:22  <planetmaker> I could leave out the reasoning ;-)
20:03:29  <planetmaker> might be better :-P
20:03:51  <Alberth> could be :)
20:04:24  <planetmaker> and general: sensible change in your eyes?
20:04:36  <planetmaker> not codewise, but feature-wise?
20:04:39  <Alberth> if(c->money < 0){  <--- 2 spaces too few
20:05:30  <Alberth> it makes some sense to be less paranoid about 0, but not much imho
20:06:01  <Alberth> that if is in patch 2
20:06:43  <planetmaker> well 0 or <= 0... but we don't want to pay interest on cash. So we have to check
20:07:05  <Alberth> for new users it may be slightly different though
20:07:47  <planetmaker> what might be different for them?
20:08:30  <Alberth> They seem to be able to get bancrupt
20:08:59  <Alberth> whether that is by accident, or because they hit the bottom, I don't know :p
20:09:50  <Alberth> First patch is not a change imho, but a feature, as it modifies game play
20:09:54  <planetmaker> oh, it's feasible to bancrupt, no worries. Just toy around with a base cost grf and see where your line of bancruptcy is ;-)
20:10:26  <Alberth> - _economy.max_loan   <-- I wonder about that space
20:10:31  <planetmaker> I removed it :-)
20:10:39  <Alberth> good :)
20:11:23  <Alberth> patch 2 is also a feature imho
20:12:07  <planetmaker> hm. I'd rather "feature" patch 2 than patch 1. One changes existing behaviour but doesn't do really anything new (from my POV)
20:12:20  <Alberth> fine by me
20:12:29  <Alberth> it is all quite borderline :)
20:12:44  <planetmaker> or I combine them (1 and 2)
20:12:52  <planetmaker> but... I like atomicity
20:13:05  <Alberth> yeah, merging seems wrong to me
20:13:13  <Alberth> no further comments from me
20:13:20  <planetmaker> thanks for review, Alberth :-)
20:13:54  <planetmaker> it also helped me with one thing: getting familiar with hg's evolve extension :D
20:14:12  <Alberth> oh, you tried it?  how did it work?
20:14:39  <Alberth> I am not sure I like it; I tend to edit patch files directly :p
20:15:01  <planetmaker> you basically commit patches as normal.
20:15:24  <planetmaker> If you want to change a patch, you just update to it, edit code and use hg amend
20:15:38  <planetmaker> after amending that patch, you use hg evolve to rebase the patches based on it
20:15:55  <Alberth> quite easy thus
20:15:59  <planetmaker> with the added benefit (or bane) that the now obsolete old changesets remain technically available
20:16:08  <planetmaker> (they're hidden after successfully evolved)
20:16:23  <planetmaker> marked obsolete
20:16:35  <Alberth> that would be the main gain imho, your patches are also in the repo
20:17:05  <planetmaker> when you amend patch 1, you have other patches unstable, thus as for the previous version. You immediately see how and where they belong. also good
20:17:21  <planetmaker> and your current commit knows which his children are, so evolve works also anytime
20:18:23  <planetmaker> it's handy. But evolve is not yet distributed with mercurial and the extension only works for hg 2.3+
20:18:38  <Alberth> is it also smart in avoiding patch rejects?  I often get rejects because I edited a line that is simply copied in a next patch
20:18:48  <planetmaker> it uses the normal merge mechanism
20:19:02  <planetmaker> thus it's better than mq
20:19:19  <Alberth> nice
20:19:29  <planetmaker> and you could specify another merge mechanism, if you wanted
20:19:30  <Alberth> hmm, I only have hg 2.2.3
20:19:41  <planetmaker> I cloned crew repo to test ;-)
20:19:44  <Alberth> like you ever want to do that :)
20:20:08  <planetmaker> indeed, I never had the desire to re-specify merge mechanism
20:20:20  <planetmaker> though... it also allows to specify like "always take this branch"
20:20:28  <planetmaker> which might be what you want sometimes
20:21:15  <Alberth> iirc, the gui merger apps use that mechanism to get  the patch they need to merge
20:21:44  <planetmaker> maybe. I know little about that :-)
20:23:53  <planetmaker> oh, and you have hg gup and hg gdown - analog to hg qpush and qpop
20:29:10  <Terkhen> evolve sounds interesting
20:33:50  <planetmaker> it's actually written to replace mq :-)
20:34:05  <planetmaker> (among other things)
20:35:44  <planetmaker> Alberth, mind if I keep the case? I'm not conviced that I like a long if then else better
20:35:47  <planetmaker> in this case
20:35:53  <planetmaker> s/case/switch/
20:36:15  <Alberth> sure
20:44:40  * planetmaker ponders to commit those three patches now. Anyone object to monthly bancruptcy check and interest on negative cash?
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