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Log for #openttd.dev on 9th May 2013:
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11:51:17  <Alberth> wrt FS#5544 (overbuilding stations), would it be possible to detect that nothing changes?
11:51:54  <frosch123> random bits always change, but you cannot tell whether they matter :p
11:52:26  <Alberth> would people overbuild for new random bits? :p
11:52:43  <frosch123> i do not use newstations a lot
11:53:05  <frosch123> but i imagine someone talked about rebuilding stations until the right layout shows up
11:53:37  <Alberth> perhaps make changing random bits free?
11:54:15  <frosch123> well, let's stay with default stations: should it be allowed to overbuild default stations with roof with those without roof
11:54:31  <frosch123> or those without roof with those without roof but with a house?
11:55:07  <Alberth> some have a house? :)
11:55:08  <frosch123> a more general approach might be to disallow overbuilding the same rectangular area with the same type of station again
11:55:26  <frosch123> yes, if you build a 1x5 station, the tile in the middle has a station house
11:55:32  <frosch123> while the other 4 tiles do not have one
11:55:38  <Alberth> ah, ok
11:55:40  <frosch123> you can rebuild 1x1 over them and they all get houses
11:55:55  <planetmaker> <Alberth> would people overbuild for new random bits? :p <-- definitely yes
11:56:06  <frosch123> the station remembers which rectangular parts were built together
11:56:23  <frosch123> so, one might disallow overbuilding the same areas with the same station
11:56:25  <Alberth> I do occasionally overbuild a platform with default stations to make 1/2 roofs disappear
11:56:57  <frosch123> but well, if people really want to overbuild the same thing with the same just for random bits, your are screwed anyway
11:57:35  <Alberth> same area would work
11:58:09  <Alberth> if you want to overbuild for nice random bits, it's going to be messy though :p
11:58:23  <Alberth> but that doesn't seem like a big problem to me
11:59:42  <Alberth> imho if you want that amount of control, make a station set with individual tiles
12:00:02  <planetmaker> people do both
12:00:15  <frosch123> oh, we might also just make it free :p
12:00:18  <planetmaker> build large-scale area. And then overbuild single pieces
12:00:49  <Alberth> another option, disallow building the same thing again at the same place in say 1 second
12:01:03  <planetmaker> that's stupid imho. annoying
12:01:18  <frosch123> yeah, that would be quite confusing
12:01:28  <frosch123> and completely broken when playin gni pause :)
12:01:53  <Alberth> :)
12:01:57  <frosch123> how about making building free when overbuilding the same area with the same type
12:02:08  <frosch123> i.e. when only build-date and random bits change
12:02:22  <Alberth> seems the best solution so far, to me
12:03:22  <planetmaker> honestly, I'm not sure fs5544 needs fixing in that sense
12:03:39  <frosch123> it's reported one or twice a year :p
12:04:48  <planetmaker> oh, frosch123 overbuilding for default stations also has an effect, of course.
12:05:00  <planetmaker> the benches, or big halls versions...
12:05:11  <frosch123> yeah, but not when overbuilding the same area
12:05:18  <planetmaker> yes, then not
12:05:48  <planetmaker> I sometimes even overbuild parts of the big hall version with 1-tile parts for default station :-)
12:06:29  <planetmaker> maybe the solution is to allow overbuilding for free in general, if the station tiles are not older than one game year or so
12:06:46  <planetmaker> and charge, if the last build date on any of the affected tiles is older than a year
12:07:24  <planetmaker> Maybe we should also disable the local authority check when only overbuilding station parts
12:08:45  <planetmaker> that would have one additional advantage: you can build a LARGE station at once. And thus get bad rating. And then you can still beautify it
12:09:03  <planetmaker> but that, of course, is another "problem"
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19:16:16  <Rubidium> might 5544 already be in knownbugs?
19:17:34  <Rubidium> guess I'm imagining things
19:19:47  <Alberth> is it technically a bug?
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