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06:59:57  <seandasheep> !password
06:59:57  <PublicServer> seandasheep: unrest
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07:11:52  <seandasheep> !password
07:11:52  <PublicServer> seandasheep: juiced
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08:45:36  <Godde> !password
08:45:36  <PublicServer> Godde: spouse
08:45:59  <Godde> !dl win32
08:46:00  <PublicServer> Godde:
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08:47:28  <Godde> !password
08:47:28  <PublicServer> Godde: gusted
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09:01:05  <Mark> morning
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09:11:32  <seandasheep> morning
09:11:40  <Mark> !password
09:11:40  <PublicServer> Mark: basked
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09:14:57  <Mark> ODM: come make a plan
09:15:01  <Mark> it's your map
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09:42:52  <seandasheep> crashed again :/
09:43:40  <seandasheep> !password
09:43:40  <PublicServer> seandasheep: potion
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09:44:33  <seandasheep> very strange as I have the messages turned off, must be something else
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09:48:18  <tneo> morning
09:48:36  <PublicServer> <seandasheep> morning
09:49:08  <tneo> !password
09:49:08  <PublicServer> tneo: turkey
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09:50:05  <PublicServer> <tneo> who made that "hub" in the middle? wasn't here yesterday...
09:50:30  <PublicServer> <seandasheep> over the ne damn?that was me
09:50:45  <PublicServer> <tneo> why?
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09:51:07  <PublicServer> <seandasheep> boredom. you can delete it if you like
09:51:09  <PublicServer> <tneo> it is stage planning
09:51:48  <PublicServer> <tneo> we should reload the map...
09:52:07  <PublicServer> <seandasheep> ok
09:52:10  <PublicServer> <Mark> why should we reload?
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09:52:45  <PublicServer> <tneo> because of that hub construction in the midhle
09:52:53  <PublicServer> <Mark> you can just kill it
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09:54:03  <PublicServer> <Mark> there
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11:13:15  <jonde> !password
11:13:15  <PublicServer> jonde: coward
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11:15:11  <seandasheep> hi
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11:15:49  <jonde> hi
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12:05:13  <Booth> !password
12:05:13  <PublicServer> Booth: bowler
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12:28:07  <planetmaker> !archive
12:28:07  <PublicServer> planetmaker: http://www.openttdcoop.ORG/wiki/PublicServer:Archive |
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12:42:00  <theholyduck> so, hello
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12:50:52  <Booth> hello
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13:24:42  <PublicServer> Server closed down by admin
13:24:42  <PublicServer> Saving game...
13:24:43  <PublicServer> Game saved
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13:25:00  <PublicServer> Autopilot engaged
13:25:00  <PublicServer> Loading default savegame
13:25:00  <PublicServer> @revision r16381
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13:25:00  *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG #143 (r16381) | STAGE: MM + Planning | | Use !help for IRC-commands | InfrastructureSharing at | Client record: 24 | looking for latest save of PSG #135 - please make it available to us, if you played | Screenshots:"
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13:50:40  <Booth> the topic should be changed to paning + voting
13:50:45  <Booth> MM is complete
14:02:03  <Ammler> @stage paning + voting
14:02:03  *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG #143 (r16381) | STAGE: paning + voting | | Use !help for IRC-commands | InfrastructureSharing at | Client record: 24 | looking for latest save of PSG #135 - please make it available to us, if you played | Screenshots:"
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14:02:54  <Ammler> :-D
14:03:01  <Ammler> nowone complains :-(
14:03:08  <Ammler> -w
14:06:42  <planetmaker> hahaha :)
14:07:05  <planetmaker> love it!
14:10:30  <tneo> there are just 2 plans
14:10:33  <Booth> afternoon all
14:10:50  <Booth> make another plan
14:10:50  <tneo> and the map asks for all the same kind of plans...
14:11:16  <tneo> seen the outline given that is hardly possible
14:11:17  * SmatZ pans Ammler
14:11:56  * Booth pies SmatZ
14:12:06  <Booth> !password
14:12:06  <PublicServer> Booth: legacy
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14:16:05  <Ammler> SmatZ: doesn't hurt?
14:22:19  <Booth> any one want to play coopetition
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14:24:11  <tneo> !password
14:24:11  <PublicServer> tneo: legacy
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14:24:54  <SmatZ> @stage Planning && Voting
14:24:54  *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG #143 (r16381) | STAGE: Planning && Voting | | Use !help for IRC-commands | InfrastructureSharing at | Client record: 24 | looking for latest save of PSG #135 - please make it available to us, if you played | Screenshots:"
14:25:03  <SmatZ> :(
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14:31:50  <el_B> !password
14:31:50  <PublicServer> el_B: thirds
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14:49:29  <Seppel> !download win32
14:49:29  <PublicServer> Seppel:
14:51:10  <Ammler> SmatZ: to much coding? (&&)
14:51:16  <Ammler> o+
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14:51:48  <SmatZ> Ammler: I expected & would change in undercore :)
14:52:11  <SmatZ> @stage Planning & Voting
14:52:11  *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG #143 (r16381) | STAGE: Planning & Voting | | Use !help for IRC-commands | InfrastructureSharing at | Client record: 24 | looking for latest save of PSG #135 - please make it available to us, if you played | Screenshots:"
14:52:27  <Ammler> ah, you escaped?
14:52:35  <Ammler> :-)
14:53:24  <SmatZ> :)
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14:53:52  <Myaz> hello :)
14:54:39  <Seppel> !password
14:54:39  <PublicServer> Seppel: gamble
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14:55:00  <Myaz> oh fuck it
14:55:02  <Myaz> hahaha
14:55:58  <Myaz> Is anyone here?
14:56:11  <Myaz> I'm new to the coop world, was looking at getting involved if possible.
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14:56:42  <el_B> !password
14:56:42  <PublicServer> el_B: tiling
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15:05:32  <KenjiE20> @wiki Quickstart
15:05:35  <KenjiE20> Myaz, ^
15:05:35  <Webster> Quickstart - #openttdcoop Wiki -
15:06:39  <KenjiE20> best to read not only that page but those linked too
15:06:43  <Booth> kenjiE20
15:06:52  <KenjiE20> Booth
15:06:56  <Booth> can you allow me to talk to webster again
15:07:06  <KenjiE20> you're ignored?
15:07:20  <Booth> i am
15:07:23  <Booth> `wiki
15:07:28  <KenjiE20> @admin ignore list
15:07:28  <Webster> KenjiE20: I'm not currently globally ignoring anyone.
15:07:30  <Booth> @wiki
15:07:31  <KenjiE20> no your not
15:07:31  <Webster> Search - #openttdcoop Wiki -
15:07:41  <Booth> i was the otherday
15:07:56  <KenjiE20> maybe it was in anti-abuse mode
15:08:25  <Booth> @whois
15:08:25  <Webster> Booth: (whois <domain>) -- Returns WHOIS information on the registration of <domain>.
15:08:31  <Booth> maybe it was
15:08:40  <KenjiE20> @whoami
15:08:40  <Webster> KenjiE20: KenjiE20
15:08:56  <Booth> i would do that but i know webster doesnt know me
15:09:06  <KenjiE20> @help register
15:09:06  <Webster> KenjiE20: (register <name> <password>) -- Registers <name> with the given password <password> and the current hostmask of the person registering. You shouldn't register twice; if you're not recognized as a user but you've already registered, use the hostmask add command to add another hostmask to your already-registered user, or use the identify command to identify just for a session. (1 more message)
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15:12:46  <Booth> what does the whoami command do for you?
15:12:58  <KenjiE20> @help whoami
15:12:58  <Webster> KenjiE20: (whoami takes no arguments) -- Returns the name of the user calling the command.
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15:16:57  <DJNekkid> any dutch ppl here? ... around when did the NS change from green to yellow livary?
15:18:06  <Booth> erm i dont know
15:18:09  <Booth> wiki
15:21:45  <Xaroth> no clue tbh
15:21:53  <Xaroth> not that I really bother with the NS ...
15:25:28  <Booth> was ns ever green?
15:25:42  <Booth> the logo of blue and yellow was designed in 1948
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15:27:45  <Ammler> dutch trains are ugly, anyway
15:28:05  <Ammler> just make them black boxes
15:28:14  <Booth> thats a bit mean
15:28:17  <Myaz> hello, sorry I had to go AFK for a minute
15:28:25  <Myaz> I've read the quick start already KenjiE20
15:28:39  <KenjiE20> and the entries it refers to?
15:29:12  <Ammler> Myaz: now you are able for a first look
15:29:31  <KenjiE20> because yea, if you have, then you should be good to go
15:29:33  <Ammler> I guess, the current game is just at start
15:29:40  <Myaz> you mean ruleset, naming conventions etc?
15:29:46  <KenjiE20> yep
15:29:48  <Booth> and tutorial
15:29:52  <Myaz> yeah ok cool
15:30:01  <Myaz> I used to play transport tycoon long ago, when I was about 8
15:30:10  <Myaz> just found OpenTT a few months ago
15:30:13  <Myaz> its SUCH a classic game
15:30:22  <Myaz> but i haven't played it since like 93
15:30:31  <Myaz> getting back into it though :)
15:30:33  <Ammler> hmm, not possible :P
15:30:40  <Myaz> is it 94?
15:30:42  <Myaz> when did it come out?
15:30:43  <Ammler> I guess
15:30:50  <Ammler> TTO was 93
15:30:50  <Myaz> lol
15:30:53  <Myaz> yeah
15:30:54  <KenjiE20> don't think I stopped playing
15:30:55  <Myaz> there we go
15:31:05  <Booth> i did when windows XP cam out
15:31:12  <Myaz> fair enough
15:31:12  <Booth> and i couldnt find a patch
15:31:15  <Myaz> ya
15:31:20  <Booth> i then played ttdpatch
15:31:22  <Myaz> they've done absolute wonders with OpenTT though
15:31:25  <Myaz> its so well done
15:31:30  <Myaz> I'm very impressed I must say
15:31:36  <KenjiE20> hah, I didn't take xp up for a while, and I still have good ol' DOS bootdisks
15:31:36  <Booth> but was never that impresses
15:31:51  <Myaz> hah
15:31:55  <Myaz> very keen Kenji :)
15:32:17  <KenjiE20> pfft, I used to have DOS bootdisks for each game I had at the time
15:32:25  <Booth> for some reason when ever i used ttd patch TGV's and asia stars lost half there locos
15:32:27  <Myaz> keener Kenji :)
15:32:32  <KenjiE20> it was just how you got then running :P
15:32:38  <KenjiE20> s/then/them/
15:33:12  <Ammler> hehe
15:33:26  <Ammler> so if you like to play an other game, you had to reboot?
15:33:49  <Myaz> now thats dedication to the old skool
15:33:53  <KenjiE20> yep, you did back then anyway
15:34:05  <Ammler> well
15:34:09  <Myaz> there was no DosBox equivalent?
15:34:10  <KenjiE20> well depending
15:34:27  <KenjiE20> pfft dosbox, I'm talking dos days
15:34:28  <Ammler> I made a really nice Autostart.bat with menu and such
15:34:42  <Myaz> nice
15:34:47  <Myaz> do you mind me asking how old you guys are?
15:34:53  <KenjiE20> some games you had to tweak in config.sys though, so that didn't always work
15:35:00  <Ammler> ture
15:35:19  <Ammler> how was that memory tweak called?
15:35:32  <Ammler> Myaz: old ;-)
15:35:33  <KenjiE20> highmem ?
15:35:36  <Ammler> yeah
15:35:44  <KenjiE20> also xms
15:35:48  <Myaz> ok :)
15:35:56  <Myaz> just curious ...
15:36:00  <Myaz> I'm 23 anyway.
15:36:01  <KenjiE20> yea old, old enough to have an Atari ST
15:36:11  <Myaz> all good then
15:36:16  <Ammler> comodore 64
15:36:25  <KenjiE20> technically it's dads but... yea
15:36:25  <Myaz> if theres one thing that ruins online games, its youngsters. So I guess I'm here to ruin your online game :D
15:36:56  <KenjiE20> weirdly I remember cabinet games from the 70's despite not being on the planet then
15:36:59  <Ammler> well, we have younger here
15:37:14  <Myaz> strange indeed
15:37:21  <Myaz> my mate kitted out a cabinet with a PC inside
15:37:25  <Myaz> then installed emulators
15:37:32  <Myaz> so we could play allll the old arcade games, nintendo games
15:37:38  <Myaz> it was simply amazing!
15:37:44  <Ammler> Ice climper
15:37:48  <KenjiE20> heh MAME's good like that
15:37:50  <Myaz> playing street fighter with a proper stick and arcard buttons
15:37:56  <Myaz> yeah, mame was the main one we used
15:39:56  <Myaz> so .. back to the coop
15:40:19  <Myaz> the main thing I can't quite get my head around is the signals... not quite sure why. But I never used them, and never have tried to learn how.
15:40:24  <Myaz> I guess I should just practice with them
15:40:39  <Myaz> do you think its worth playing by myself first just to trial out some of your coop techniques KenjiE20 ?
15:40:54  <KenjiE20> !archive
15:40:54  <PublicServer> KenjiE20: http://www.openttdcoop.ORG/wiki/PublicServer:Archive |
15:41:07  <KenjiE20> ^ try having a flick though some of our newer stuff
15:41:27  <KenjiE20> your sure to find a few fun pre-signal and pbs examples around
15:41:30  <Myaz> oh cool, thats very handy
15:41:35  <Myaz> thanks
15:42:34  <Myaz> good god some of these screenshots are insane!
15:43:07  <KenjiE20> heh, wait till you see some of them in action
15:43:20  <Myaz> ahh this looks really good I must say
15:43:40  <Myaz> ok. I think what I'm gonna do first is just do some solo play with your new GRFs so I'm familiar with what they all are without having to check
15:44:06  <KenjiE20> yea, like we know :P
15:44:22  <Ammler> shht
15:44:28  <Myaz> haha
15:44:42  <Myaz> are you two on here frequently?
15:44:50  <Myaz> just so I can bug you with questions, that is
15:44:54  <Myaz> :)
15:45:09  <KenjiE20> considering we're both ops, I'd say so :P
15:45:21  <KenjiE20> just highlight us and we'll wander back
15:45:28  <Myaz> sure ok great
15:45:30  <Myaz> well thanks for the help
15:45:39  <Myaz> I'm sure i'll be speaking to you shortly! :)
15:49:18  <Myaz> sorry KenjiE20 , where to unpack your GRF pack to?
15:49:27  <KenjiE20> in /data
15:49:49  <KenjiE20> either in the nightlies dir or in mydocs/openttd/data
15:50:28  <Myaz> oh ok, not program files/openttd/data then
15:50:37  <Myaz> i don't have a data folder in my docs/openttd
15:50:40  <Myaz> just make one ya?
15:51:01  <KenjiE20> wherever, you can drop it in the prog files one
15:51:22  <KenjiE20> though if that's stable you probably wont be able to load the newer savs
15:52:53  <Myaz> oh ok right
15:53:46  * KenjiE20 has about 4 seperate ottd dirs :/
15:54:29  <Myaz> hehe
15:54:43  <Myaz> ah I see... so they're not all enabled at once, I'm with you now about not knowing them all!
15:54:47  <Myaz> hmm....
15:54:55  <Myaz> might just practice signalling and then get involved
15:55:00  <KenjiE20> yea, that would be silly :P
15:55:05  <KenjiE20> although....
15:55:31  <KenjiE20> maybe we need a 10240^2 map with all the trainsets
15:55:56  <Myaz> mmm
15:56:17  <Myaz> I think it could be a slight issue.. just cos I'm so used to how all the others look, yno so you can just tell immediately.
15:56:40  <KenjiE20> you get used to them pretty quick
15:57:15  <Myaz> oh ok
15:57:24  <KenjiE20> especially since we don't normally get under way till mid90s game time, so you get time to flick through whatever set's on
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15:57:41  <Myaz> oh ok
15:57:56  <Ganan> !password
15:57:56  <PublicServer> Ganan: frolic
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15:58:27  <Myaz> the main servers run on the stable builds right? 7.0 at the mo?
15:58:44  <KenjiE20> see the topic
15:58:52  <KenjiE20> r16381 atm
15:59:37  <Myaz> o ok
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16:02:05  <Xaroth> use AutoTTD to update, works like a charm ;)
16:02:13  <Xaroth> </shameless_plug>
16:02:49  <KenjiE20> !tell Myaz about !download
16:02:49  <PublicServer> Myaz: !download autostart|autoupdate|lin|lin64|osx|win32|win64|win9x
16:03:05  <KenjiE20> ^ or those, but yea AutoTTD is good for win32
16:03:29  <KenjiE20> (until Xaroth makes it stable everywhere) ;)
16:03:33  <Myaz> hehe ok
16:03:38  <Myaz> im on win64
16:03:40  <Myaz> unfrotunately
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16:16:49  <Booth> autottd works on my vista 64
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16:34:00  <theholyduck> !help
16:34:00  <PublicServer> theholyduck:
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16:35:46  <theholyduck> !playercount
16:35:46  <PublicServer> theholyduck: Number of players: 0
16:35:48  <theholyduck> :D
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16:46:49  <Xaroth> [Myaz]: im on win64 << so am i :)
16:46:55  <Xaroth> just make sure you set the config settings properly
16:47:10  <Xaroth> [@KenjiE20]: (until Xaroth makes it stable everywhere) ;) << new version will 'run' on ubuntu :)
16:47:16  <Xaroth> it doesn't do anything (yet)
16:47:18  <Xaroth> but it runs :)
16:47:20  <KenjiE20> haha 'run;
16:47:24  <KenjiE20> *'run'
16:48:06  <Xaroth> it runs, shows installed newgrfs, shows available newgrfs
16:48:08  <Xaroth> .. and that's about it
16:48:24  <Xaroth> took me 2 hours to figure out why the sort manager fucked up
16:48:35  <Xaroth> but that should be fixed now as well
16:48:48  <KenjiE20> hehe, well it's a step forward from "here's a pretty window with no content in it"
16:50:04  <KenjiE20> heh, just 'acquired' Who Framed Roger Rabbit, haven't seen that film in years
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17:10:24  <Myaz> yup that movies a classic KenjiE20
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17:14:23  <Xaroth> KenjiE20: yeh, the awkward side is that I want everything to work 'properly' .. so you'll find the newgrf list to have a 'refresh' button that reloads the newgrfs you have installed AND the content server (though the content check is limited to once per 5 min) .. and makes the list auto-update itself once it's done getting the data (full async ofcourse)
17:14:39  <Xaroth> same goes for the installed data, only that one updates automatically because it's only 1 folder it has to watch
17:20:01  * theholyduck mumbles something about ubuntu being the devil
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17:21:38  <PublicServer> theholyduck: manors
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17:35:49  <PublicServer> Thijs: wrench
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17:36:26  <Xaroth> theholyduck: ubuntu isn't the devil, centos/bsd are
17:37:12  <PublicServer> * theholyduck peekaboos
17:37:23  <PublicServer> <Thijs> me too
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17:40:41  <theholyduck> Xaroth, but ubuntu IS :P
17:40:46  <theholyduck> it manages the amazing thing
17:40:50  <theholyduck> of taking debian unstable
17:40:55  <theholyduck> and then making it ACTUALLY unstable
17:41:17  <theholyduck> witchcraft that is
17:41:37  <Xaroth> it's not unstable tbh
17:42:01  <theholyduck> Xaroth, then why do you need to reinstall with a cd when you want to upgrade?
17:42:09  <Xaroth> you do?
17:42:10  <theholyduck> thats the reccomended way of upgrading ubuntu
17:42:16  <theholyduck> Xaroth, yes because if you dont
17:42:21  <Xaroth> that's also the recommended way of upgrading windows :P
17:42:23  <theholyduck> you're MOST likely going to end up with a broken system
17:42:25  <theholyduck> Xaroth, sure
17:42:27  <Xaroth> then again, that IS a bad thing
17:42:28  <theholyduck> but debian
17:42:35  <theholyduck> you can upgrade from stable to sid
17:42:36  <theholyduck> directly
17:42:40  <theholyduck> without any bugs happening at all
17:42:46  <Xaroth> heh
17:42:57  <theholyduck> because on debian they make sure not to modify things that are goign to screw up
17:43:02  <theholyduck> and provide good TRANSITIONAL packages
17:44:31  <theholyduck> Xaroth, then next up on the ubuntu is the devil list
17:44:35  <theholyduck> all the ubuntu developed tools
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17:44:38  <theholyduck> have PATHETIC docs
17:44:50  <theholyduck> and no or useless man pages
17:45:00  <theholyduck> they rape unix standards and conventions left and right
17:45:05  <theholyduck> and generally makes the life of everyone else worse
17:45:15  <Xaroth> that.. is true :P
17:45:18  <Xaroth> i just tend to avoid those
17:45:26  * KenjiE20 likes his Linux slack
17:45:27  <Xaroth> and use tried and tested standard stuff
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17:45:33  <theholyduck> also since the introduction of ubuntu
17:45:40  <theholyduck> doing third party linux/open source support
17:45:44  <theholyduck> has become virtually impossible
17:45:52  <theholyduck> because we get flooded by idiotic smacktards
17:45:58  <theholyduck> who think they have rights to everything
17:46:10  <theholyduck> and then provide little or no useful information and expect us to fix it with our crystal balls
17:46:27  <theholyduck> really, ubuntu is the cancer thats killing linux and open source
17:46:49  <planetmaker> theholyduck: then get a better crystal ball :P
17:46:52  <Xaroth> tbh
17:47:03  <Xaroth> ubuntu is opening up OS for a whole new audience
17:47:16  <theholyduck> Xaroth, no. what its DOING is ruining it for everyone else
17:47:16  <planetmaker> but I don't think that ubuntu will kill anything. I agree with Xaroth
17:47:25  <Xaroth> and yes, for the hardcore people ubuntu is killing their niche
17:47:37  <theholyduck> Xaroth, take mplayer for example
17:47:40  <theholyduck> every day.
17:47:42  <KenjiE20> "oh no, my cool cult item is popular /emo" :P
17:47:44  <theholyduck> every week
17:47:57  <theholyduck> i have to talk multipel clueless ubuntu pillocks through compiling mplayer from source
17:47:57  <planetmaker> theholyduck: certainly not. It's just not "cool" anymore, if more people with less technical understanding can _also_ use it
17:48:03  <theholyduck> because ubuntu ships a 3 year old version
17:48:12  <theholyduck> so i call up the ubuntu devs
17:48:25  <theholyduck> cant you update the package so i dont have to be in horrible pain?
17:49:03  <theholyduck> and they are all "no we cant because that package is up to date, infact we ignored updated svn version debian has because we know better than upstream"
17:49:10  <theholyduck> well not in those EXACT words sure
17:49:16  <theholyduck> but basicly they told me to go suck it
17:49:32  <theholyduck> so i tried compiling the package for ubuntu
17:49:36  <theholyduck> making a valid package
17:49:49  <theholyduck> wich proved impossible because of how ubuntu organizes things
17:49:53  <Xaroth> if you give them the actual package they are usually inclined to actually do something
17:49:55  <theholyduck> so i tried again with a ppa from launchpad
17:49:59  <theholyduck> Xaroth, but they wont
17:50:05  <valhallasw> 19:49 < theholyduck> wich proved impossible because of how ubuntu organizes things < erm.
17:50:06  <theholyduck> because "mplayer hasnt made a release"
17:50:11  <theholyduck> valhallasw, well basicly
17:50:19  <theholyduck> valhallasw, they require you to compile EVERYTHING shared
17:50:20  <Xaroth> then that's mplayer's fault, really
17:50:31  <theholyduck> Xaroth, but they HAVE made a release
17:50:35  <theholyduck> the mplayer approach is
17:50:37  <Booth> hello
17:50:37  <theholyduck> do not make releases
17:50:38  <Xaroth> then point them to the release?
17:50:51  <theholyduck> Xaroth, mplayer has a new release every svn commit
17:51:01  <Xaroth> or point them to something that shows a specific svn rev is 'stable' .
17:51:09  <theholyduck> Xaroth, all svn revs are stable
17:51:16  <theholyduck> i compile a new mplayer every day
17:51:19  <theholyduck> with no real problems
17:51:33  <theholyduck> the only supported verson of mplayer is todays svn
17:51:37  <theholyduck> thats the mplayer approach
17:51:50  <theholyduck> but if ubuntu could atleast update mplayer even once each half year
17:51:56  <theholyduck> it would make our lifes alot easier
17:52:02  <Xaroth> simple
17:52:18  <Xaroth> set up a vm with the required libs that you can use to make a nice package
17:52:26  <Xaroth> and every half year, run a script, mail them the .deb
17:52:28  <Xaroth> and yer all done
17:52:37  <theholyduck> Xaroth, doesnt work bcause of how ubuntu does packaging
17:52:43  <theholyduck> compiling mplayer with shared ffmpeg
17:52:47  <theholyduck> is so hard.
17:52:56  <valhallasw> you would have to go through testing, though, probably
17:52:59  <valhallasw> er
17:52:59  <theholyduck> that i swear, bringing peace to the middle east would be easier
17:53:02  <valhallasw> through unstable*
17:53:06  * Xaroth shrugs
17:53:10  <KenjiE20> use xine
17:53:11  <valhallasw> it has been done before
17:53:13  <valhallasw> apparently
17:53:15  <theholyduck> valhallasw, debian unstable has a updated mplayer
17:53:25  <theholyduck> ubuntu just refuses to use it
17:53:28  <theholyduck> because its based off a svn
17:53:36  <Xaroth> theholyduck: ever considdered ripping the debian unstable package, and adapting that to ubuntu?
17:53:42  <valhallasw> oh, wait, ubuntu hasn't got unstable? :P
17:53:44  <theholyduck> Xaroth, tried that actually
17:53:46  <theholyduck> valhallasw, no
17:53:50  <theholyduck> ubuntu is ALWAYS unstable
17:54:00  <valhallasw> unstable or testing?
17:54:10  <theholyduck> valhallasw, well ubuntu is debian unstable
17:54:16  <theholyduck> + patches from ubuntu that make it more unstable
17:54:22  <theholyduck> + 6 months of stagnation
17:54:23  <theholyduck> for good measure
17:54:51  <theholyduck> its like what debian unstable is like around when they are pushing testing over into stable
17:54:55  <theholyduck> slows EVERYTHING down
17:55:02  <theholyduck> and nothign gets updated for a while
17:55:18  <theholyduck> Xaroth, anyways
17:55:21  <theholyduck> it didnt work :P
17:55:23  <valhallasw> yes, but at least they can give support then
17:55:34  <theholyduck> Xaroth, you see compiling mplayer
17:55:41  <theholyduck> is a harsh and trecherous mistres
17:55:41  <valhallasw> anyway, check the patches from the old mplayer package
17:55:45  <valhallasw> and see if that helps
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17:55:50  * Xaroth shrugs
17:55:54  <theholyduck> valhallasw, those are patches against a 3 year old mplayer
17:55:55  <theholyduck> :P
17:55:55  <Xaroth> don't need mplayer on my ubuntu farm
17:56:01  <valhallasw> yes, so?
17:56:13  <theholyduck> valhallasw, anyways i tried using their ppa build farm
17:56:18  <valhallasw> unless they did a complete rewrite in the last years :P
17:56:24  <theholyduck> using a debian package adapted
17:56:30  <theholyduck> from debian-multimedia
17:56:45  <theholyduck> i got it building reliably on amd64 after some tweaking of my own
17:56:48  <theholyduck> but not on i386
17:56:49  <theholyduck> :P
17:57:10  <theholyduck> but as i said, compiling mplayer is more of a art than a science
17:57:20  <theholyduck> due to it being a wrapper for like 80 libraries
17:57:21  <theholyduck> ++
17:57:38  <theholyduck> i eventually abandoned that approach entirely
17:57:52  <theholyduck> soo i opted for the NEXT logical solution
17:58:00  <theholyduck> write a minimal packagemanager in bash that interacts with apt
17:58:07  <theholyduck> and i'm almost done with that
17:58:43  <theholyduck> basicly its a packagemanager that can compiled x264, ffmpeg, mplayer and other neglected packages from various sources
17:58:55  <theholyduck> and then gets as many dependencies as it can from apt
17:59:10  <theholyduck> but really, from the moment ubuntu became popular,
17:59:17  <theholyduck> doing third party linux/open source
17:59:22  <theholyduck> has become worse and worse
17:59:31  <theholyduck> more and more staggering idiots who cant even read a manpage or google
17:59:37  <theholyduck> and cant do anything without step by step instructions
17:59:46  <valhallasw> then don't give them support
17:59:57  <valhallasw> you're not obliged to do that, remember?
18:00:02  <Xaroth> point them to the manual, and kick em out
18:00:16  <theholyduck> Xaroth, but then the freenode police comes knocking
18:00:32  <valhallasw> then... move to oftc? :P
18:00:37  <Xaroth> ... fuck freenode?
18:00:42  <theholyduck> valhallasw, all the good support channels are on freenode
18:00:57  <theholyduck> its just that the network is ruled by people who favor politeness over quality
18:01:13  <theholyduck> valhallasw, also i ENJOY doing linux supprt
18:01:17  <Xaroth> kick them, politely?
18:01:23  <theholyduck> sometime you get those really intresting problems,
18:01:32  <theholyduck> and find new unknown bugs in software
18:01:38  <theholyduck> those are the moments i do it for
18:01:40  <Xaroth> chanmode +m , bot that +v's people who come in, useless questions -> -v
18:01:47  <Xaroth> and you won't kick them at all
18:02:00  <valhallasw> besides
18:02:05  <valhallasw> if they can't find /man/
18:02:10  <valhallasw> how will they find freenode support?
18:02:17  <theholyduck> its just in #freenode :P
18:02:24  <theholyduck> its happened before
18:02:30  <theholyduck> i've called some user a clueless pillocks
18:02:30  <valhallasw> and.. how did they get on irc in the first place :p
18:02:48  <theholyduck> pidgin or xchat mostly
18:02:52  <theholyduck> + some VERY minimal googling
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18:03:06  <theholyduck> not to mention most distros conf their own networks/channels into their irc clients
18:03:37  <theholyduck> valhallasw, actually i think the only user i find more annoying to deal with than clueless ubuntu users
18:03:43  <theholyduck> are down right retarded gentoo ones
18:03:57  <Myaz> lol
18:04:06  <valhallasw> at least they compile ;)
18:04:11  <theholyduck> "my ffmpeg doesnt do anything?"
18:04:19  <theholyduck> valhallasw, but they dont know HOW to compile by hand
18:04:24  <theholyduck> they just use emerge
18:04:28  <theholyduck> and emerge is the biggest pile of shit
18:04:29  <theholyduck> ever
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18:04:54  <theholyduck> ;(
18:05:17  <theholyduck> SmatZ, we got nothing on-topic to do,
18:05:19  <theholyduck> nobody is playing
18:05:29  <Xaroth> !playercount
18:05:29  <PublicServer> Xaroth: Number of players: 1
18:05:31  <Xaroth> !players
18:05:33  <PublicServer> Xaroth: Client 17 (Orange) is theholyduck, in company 1 (OpenTTDCoop Ltd.)
18:05:35  <PublicServer> * theholyduck looks around the gigant empty void
18:06:07  <theholyduck> i'm just looking around mostly
18:08:07  * valhallasw pets SmatZ 
18:08:27  <SmatZ> I am using gentoo :-p
18:08:31  <valhallasw> _o-
18:08:55  <theholyduck> SmatZ, but the amount of gentoo users i see that compiles ffmpeg and mplayer with random or useless useflags
18:08:57  <theholyduck> is staggering
18:09:11  <theholyduck> heck i actually learned most of the gentoo useflags just to give them what to USE=
18:09:41  <theholyduck> SmatZ, then you got the idiotically named useflags
18:09:56  <theholyduck> like the flag "srt" to enable libass
18:11:06  <SmatZ> well, I am not the maintainer of mplayer nor ffmpeg for gentoo
18:11:19  <SmatZ> and I am fine with it
18:11:29  <theholyduck> SmatZ, well the gentoo approach is "dont enable any external libraries or optional options"
18:11:43  <theholyduck> and since ffmpeg and mplayer are both ONLY external libaries and optional options
18:12:05  <theholyduck> compiling them correctly on gentoo can be a bit of a pain
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18:27:16  <Myaz> !password
18:27:16  <PublicServer> Myaz: hawked
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18:27:38  <Strixer> !password
18:27:38  <PublicServer> Strixer: hawked
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18:27:59  <PublicServer> <Strix> hello
18:28:12  <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (enough players)
18:28:15  <Strixer> !players
18:28:17  <PublicServer> Strixer: Client 22 (Orange) is Strix, in company 1 (OpenTTDCoop Ltd.)
18:28:17  <PublicServer> Strixer: Client 24 (Orange) is Kenji, in company 1 (OpenTTDCoop Ltd.)
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18:28:47  <PublicServer> <Kenji> okay, WTF is with the vote board
18:29:38  <PublicServer> <Kenji> that has to be the worst vote board I've seen
18:30:02  <PublicServer> <Kenji> not only is it laid out bad, it's not even right O.o
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18:30:22  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> nevers!
18:30:27  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> on the other hand
18:30:32  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> i dont have alotof experience at this
18:30:34  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> so it might be
18:30:39  <PublicServer> * Kenji fixes
18:31:24  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> """everything must be clean, ver clean, thats what the dog had to die, he was a dirty dog. dirty dirty
18:31:25  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> eh?
18:31:49  <PublicServer> <Kenji> can't vote if the vote board is utterly vote and unclear
18:32:13  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> hmm, i didnt find it unclear
18:32:20  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> but whatever
18:32:49  <PublicServer> <Kenji> overlapping signs were ugly, no vote count alignment numbers and it said ODM instead of tneo
18:33:04  <PublicServer> <Kenji> oh and the vote sign itself was wrong
18:34:18  <PublicServer> <Kenji> also, looks like someones been building along the river near plennbury, whats that about?
18:34:53  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> only place i KNOW building was going on was on the north damm
18:35:08  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> but they deleated that after it
18:35:22  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> bu yeah, seems like somebody built something over there for no apparent reason
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20:18:53  <Booth> hello
20:19:14  <Booth> !password
20:19:14  <PublicServer> Booth: unfold
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20:24:55  <Mark> evening
20:24:58  <Mark> !password
20:24:58  <PublicServer> Mark: unfold
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20:25:52  <Mark> !password
20:25:52  <PublicServer> Mark: onrush
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20:27:46  <PublicServer> <Mark> let's make member votes count twice
20:27:58  <Booth> no lets not
20:28:01  <PublicServer> <Mark> :P
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20:28:14  <Mark> back to rct3 :)
20:28:22  <Mark> finally getting the hang of that
20:28:25  <Booth> RCT3 is hard
20:28:33  <Mark> it's fun
20:28:42  <Booth> it took me 2 hours to work out how to rotate the camera
20:28:44  <KenjiE20> not hard, just different
20:28:48  <Mark> especially fun to make it look nice
20:29:03  <Booth> i still havent managed to make my coatsers go under ground
20:29:15  <Booth> but i do like it
20:29:20  <Booth> i will have to play it more
20:29:25  <Mark> you need soaked for that
20:29:29  <Booth> i loved RCT1 and 2
20:29:55  <Booth> what to be able to build under ground you need soaked?
20:30:06  <Mark> yeah i think so
20:30:16  <Booth> that sucks
20:30:23  <KenjiE20> I think its in stock
20:30:29  <Booth> mine trains need to have under ground sections
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20:32:21  <PublicServer> Godde: onrush
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20:33:02  <Mark> Booth:
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20:33:49  <Mark> working on this atm:
20:34:08  <KenjiE20> grr
20:34:12  <Mark> i prefer stuffing 50*50 parks up
20:34:25  <KenjiE20> those guys need to hurry up with Frontier IV already
20:35:08  <PublicServer> <Godde> mark, did u make all that by urself?
20:35:10  <Booth> like the wooden coaster mark
20:35:20  <Mark> Godde: i did
20:35:26  <PublicServer> <Godde> thats impressive
20:35:33  <Mark> it's only 50*50
20:35:54  <PublicServer> <Godde> i started a medium sized "atlantis-ish" themed park, but i never finished it...
20:35:54  <Booth> in RCT3 have they fixed the pathways bug?
20:35:58  <PublicServer> <Godde> it was actually pretty awesome xD
20:36:18  <Mark> Booth: you mean thef can be more than one tile wide?
20:36:32  <Mark> i think they fixed it yes
20:36:38  <PublicServer> <Godde> ?
20:37:22  <Booth> in RCT1 and 2 you could only use 1 tile wide paths
20:37:29  <Booth> and couldnt have loops in paths
20:37:35  <Mark> yeah it's fixed
20:37:35  <Booth> otherwise guests got lost
20:37:37  <PublicServer> <Godde> i did it anyway xD
20:37:37  <Mark> i think
20:38:05  <Mark> Godde: i plan on making an atlantis theme for this:
20:38:05  <PublicServer> <Godde> its strange how the developers managed to make their own scenarios that the people get lost in
20:38:07  <Booth> you must have had lots of guest number xx is lost
20:38:25  <PublicServer> <Godde> wow
20:38:28  <PublicServer> <Godde> did u make those too?
20:38:30  <Mark> i only just started there though
20:38:31  <Mark> yeah
20:38:44  <PublicServer> <Godde> you've got skills! :D
20:38:48  <Mark> slides are easy as they only go down :P
20:38:54  <PublicServer> <Godde> oops, did i say skills?
20:39:00  <PublicServer> <Godde> i meant 1337 zkillz0r :D
20:39:21  <Mark> thank you :)
20:39:24  <PublicServer> <Godde> i cant believe some of my friends actually talk like that on msn and stuff...
20:39:34  <PublicServer> <Godde> but you are good :)
20:39:41  <Mark> my projects used to be too ambitious
20:39:43  <PublicServer> <Godde> is it in sandbox mode or proper?
20:39:49  <Mark> and my pc can't handle them
20:39:53  <Mark> sandbox
20:40:00  <Mark> don't like the career in rct3
20:40:11  <Booth> why?
20:40:14  <PublicServer> <Godde> word
20:40:26  <Booth> i always play career
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20:40:42  <Booth> but i dont like the 3 completion stages
20:40:43  <Godde> care to share some more pics? :)
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20:40:54  <Mark> lemme see
20:41:04  <Godde> *while i go find rct3 online as i lost my disc*
20:41:08  <Mark> i'll show one of my too ambitious ones :P
20:41:57  <Mark> one i made long ago:
20:42:11  <Mark> discoverd how nice the bamboo walls are there :P
20:42:16  <Booth> what addon packs you using?
20:42:18  <KenjiE20> woah
20:42:19  <Godde> holy...
20:42:38  <Mark> i have both soaked and wild
20:42:41  <Godde> moar, moar, moar
20:42:56  <KenjiE20> stop making me wany to reimst
20:43:00  <KenjiE20> reinst*
20:43:15  <KenjiE20> also, there should totally be coop RCT
20:43:23  <Godde> hell ye
20:43:36  <Godde> *wtb :D
20:44:06  <KenjiE20> we could prolly bodge one
20:44:13  <KenjiE20> trading saves
20:44:21  <KenjiE20> but it wouldn't be as fun
20:44:45  <Booth> sim city 4 coop would be fun
20:44:54  <Godde> not as fun as rct :P
20:45:01  <Godde> mark - we want more pics :D
20:45:18  <KenjiE20> sc4 sort of has coop, only its region not city based
20:46:04  <Booth> sc4 city coop would be good though
20:46:16  <Booth> lots of people building the same city
20:47:11  <Booth> has anyone played the new sim city?
20:47:12  <Mark>
20:47:26  <Mark> put lots of effort in that one
20:47:32  <Godde> no shit! :O
20:47:40  <Mark> there is actually a path inside
20:47:44  <Mark> all the way to the top
20:48:07  <Godde> my download will hopefully be done by tomorrow morning :D
20:48:28  <Godde> i hate how it lags at night, toh
20:48:29  <Godde> tho*
20:48:45  <Mark> yeah
20:48:54  <Mark> i'm usually in paused mode :P
20:48:55  <KenjiE20> sc societies? yeah
20:48:58  <Mark> oh
20:49:09  <Mark> i thougth you meant rct3
20:49:13  <Booth> sc socients yeah
20:49:16  <Booth> any one played?
20:49:30  <KenjiE20> yes
20:49:54  <KenjiE20> not got locations, but played the main game
20:50:12  <Mark> i did a lot of sc3
20:50:22  <Mark> sc4 was too much for my pc
20:50:27  <Godde> i played sc2k as a kid :)
20:50:30  <Mark> guess societies will be too
20:51:19  <Booth> sc3 ruled
20:51:23  <Booth> but i got to good at it
20:51:27  <KenjiE20> societies is pretty system intesive, but it's not too bad
20:51:32  <Booth> and never had to charge taxis
20:51:50  <Mark> yeah
20:52:05  <Mark> neighbour deals :P
20:52:39  <Booth> exactly
20:52:49  <Godde> ?
20:52:53  <Godde> i sucked at sc3
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20:53:14  <Booth> but sc3 i only ever managed to get 1million population without cheating
20:53:45  <Mark> the key with the traffic is to have only dead ends on you small streets
20:53:57  <Mark> force heighways
20:54:03  <Mark> high
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20:54:32  <Booth> i never built highways
20:54:40  <Booth> i used to build subways
20:54:45  <Booth> and buses
20:54:46  <Booth> and trains
20:55:24  <Booth> SC4 has some realy nice addons though
20:55:44  <Booth> like bus and subway intragrated into roads
20:55:57  <Booth> med farms
20:57:07  <Mark> i always wanted to make farms in sc3k but thef turned into industries
20:57:11  <Mark> they*
20:57:30  <PhoenixII> !linux
20:57:34  <PhoenixII> hmm
20:57:49  <PhoenixII> what was the build cmd again
20:57:51  <PhoenixII> for linux?
20:57:53  <gleeb> !dl lin32
20:57:54  <PublicServer> gleeb: unknown option "lin32"
20:57:55  <gleeb> !dl lin
20:57:55  <PublicServer> gleeb:
21:01:38  <PhoenixII> hmm
21:01:55  <PhoenixII> i remember someone had a special download + make cmd here too
21:02:00  <PhoenixII> !help
21:02:00  <PublicServer> PhoenixII:
21:03:03  <Booth> cmd?
21:03:30  <PhoenixII> command
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21:04:13  <Booth> phoenix do you mean compile?
21:04:18  <PhoenixII> ye
21:04:28  <PhoenixII> the complete command line for download + compile options
21:04:34  <Booth> !dl
21:04:34  <PublicServer> Booth: !dl autostart|autoupdate|lin|lin64|osx|win32|win64|win9x
21:04:49  <PhoenixII> !dl autostart
21:04:49  <PublicServer> PhoenixII:
21:04:50  <PhoenixII> :o
21:04:51  <KenjiE20> svn checkout ?
21:04:59  <PhoenixII> nah
21:05:10  <PhoenixII> Osai had a special !command for it here :D
21:05:23  <Booth> !command
21:05:32  <Osai> !svn ?
21:05:32  <PublicServer> Osai: svn update -r16381 && make (suitor)
21:05:32  <PublicServer> Osai: svn checkout -r16381 svn:// openttdcoop && cd openttdcoop && ./configure && make
21:06:50  <PhoenixII> ah
21:06:51  <PhoenixII> ty :D
21:07:00  <PhoenixII> much easier :)
21:07:14  <KenjiE20> so I was right :P
21:07:34  <PhoenixII> oh well :D
21:07:38  <KenjiE20> hehe
21:07:39  <PhoenixII> been i year
21:07:41  <PhoenixII> 1
21:07:46  <Booth> what is SVN?
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21:07:54  <PhoenixII> google it
21:08:00  <KenjiE20> @google svn
21:08:01  <Webster> KenjiE20: Search took 0.16 seconds: <>; subversion: Subversion Packages: <>; Subversion (software) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; SVN - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>
21:08:05  <KenjiE20> ^ ^
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21:08:30  <PhoenixII> installing openttd on netbook :p
21:08:50  <Booth> ooh its like Git
21:08:54  <PhoenixII> ye
21:09:04  <PhoenixII> but centralized
21:13:42  <Godde> im off :)
21:14:02  <Godde> nightie :)
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21:15:08  <PhoenixII> !grfpack
21:15:12  <PhoenixII> arf
21:15:17  <KenjiE20> no pack
21:15:18  <PhoenixII> !grf
21:15:18  <PublicServer> PhoenixII: (Version 7.3)
21:16:06  <Ammler> !svn
21:16:06  <PublicServer> Ammler: svn update -r16381 && make (bushed)
21:16:06  <PublicServer> Ammler: svn checkout -r16381 svn:// openttdcoop && cd openttdcoop && ./configure && make
21:16:11  <Ammler> PhoenixII: ^
21:16:19  <KenjiE20> [22:05] <@Osai> !svn ?
21:16:24  <Ammler> and Hello :-)
21:16:28  <PhoenixII> meow
21:16:52  <Ammler> hmm, need to scroll next time :P
21:17:00  <PhoenixII> or a bigger screen
21:17:04  <KenjiE20> or both
21:17:08  <PhoenixII> since it's still on my screen
21:17:12  <PhoenixII> so not both
21:17:13  <PhoenixII> :p
21:17:26  <Ammler> my irc was at bottom
21:17:36  <Ammler> well, nvm, you have it now
21:17:42  <KenjiE20> heh, I think we've still got the old rotating monitor in the garage somewhere
21:18:27  <KenjiE20> the one you could swing from landscape to portrait to get a full A4 on screen
21:20:41  <Ammler> is it possible to cat >> without linebreak?
21:21:22  <KenjiE20> man cat ?
21:21:39  <planetmaker> ...sed... :P
21:22:32  <Ammler> !kick KenjiE20 far away
21:22:41  <PhoenixII> jeez
21:22:43  <KenjiE20> :P
21:22:51  <PhoenixII> 4000 openttd revisions since i played ttd :D
21:22:58  <PhoenixII> summary anyone? :D
21:23:02  <Ammler> old guy :P
21:23:06  <KenjiE20> stuff happened
21:23:06  <Ammler> PBS
21:23:10  <PhoenixII> RBS?
21:23:13  <PhoenixII> err
21:23:14  <PhoenixII> PBS
21:23:18  <Ammler> yes
21:23:20  <PhoenixII> Path based?
21:23:22  <PhoenixII> finally?
21:23:22  <KenjiE20> define: pbs
21:23:22  <Webster> Path Based Signalling, see:
21:23:37  <Ammler> distant-join
21:23:44  <Ammler> no water-borders
21:23:54  <KenjiE20> didn't they just add a new newGRF UI too?
21:24:02  <planetmaker> no
21:24:03  <KenjiE20> like 2 days ago
21:24:05  <Ammler> no, that is still our patch :-)
21:24:14  <Ammler> hmm
21:24:19  <PhoenixII> oh
21:24:19  <KenjiE20> or was that just the widget
21:24:32  <PhoenixII> we have an active role in openttd development now?
21:24:32  <KenjiE20> and not the gui itself
21:24:38  <planetmaker> they widget-ize many things. But no functional change
21:24:50  <PhoenixII> !dl win
21:24:50  <PublicServer> PhoenixII: unknown option "win"
21:24:50  <planetmaker> PhoenixII: not really....
21:24:53  * KenjiE20 goes digging to work out what i read
21:24:54  <Ammler> PhoenixII: define "we"
21:24:58  <PhoenixII> !dl
21:24:58  <PublicServer> PhoenixII: !dl autostart|autoupdate|lin|lin64|osx|win32|win64|win9x
21:25:01  <PhoenixII> !dl win64
21:25:01  <PublicServer> PhoenixII:
21:25:29  <Ammler> we are actively play dev versions, if you mean that
21:25:40  <PhoenixII> [23:24:01] [@Ammler]: no, that is still our patch :-)
21:25:48  <planetmaker> well.
21:26:01  <Ammler> that is the sad point, we need to use patches ;-)
21:26:06  <planetmaker> means I sometimes add it :)
21:26:12  <planetmaker> s/add/update/
21:26:21  <PhoenixII> urm, so no commit rights?
21:26:29  <Ammler> hehe
21:26:44  <PhoenixII> !grf
21:26:44  <PublicServer> PhoenixII: (Version 7.3)
21:27:04  <Ammler> we are founding a new development zone ;-)
21:27:06  <planetmaker> well. One has :) But it's not me nor Ammler :)
21:27:27  <Booth> whats
21:27:40  <planetmaker> go and look :)
21:27:41  <KenjiE20> the dev server
21:27:41  <Ammler> that isn't new
21:27:43  <planetmaker> it's the is2 server
21:27:52  <Ammler>
21:27:57  <planetmaker> currently
21:28:04  <planetmaker> is... more :)
21:28:18  * planetmaker is proud
21:28:23  <planetmaker> Ammler can be, too :)
21:29:25  <Ammler> well, the most important server has still phoenix :-)
21:29:35  <planetmaker> yep :)
21:29:48  <planetmaker> without PS the heart of coop would be missing
21:29:56  <PhoenixII> =P
21:30:40  <Ammler> hehe, true :-)
21:30:44  <PhoenixII> meh
21:30:49  <Ammler> :-D
21:30:53  <KenjiE20> deader than a dead thing left in dead alley
21:31:04  <planetmaker> muh
21:31:05  <PhoenixII> why has my game start menu black blocks for trains ect?
21:31:12  <planetmaker> haha :)
21:31:13  <KenjiE20> opengfx is on
21:31:16  <planetmaker> you have opengfx
21:31:18  <PhoenixII> meh
21:31:23  <PhoenixII> i thought i had the original
21:31:23  <Ammler> we are working on it ;-)
21:31:24  <KenjiE20> options, basepack dropdown
21:31:25  <planetmaker> change it to windows default
21:31:26  <PhoenixII> doh
21:32:04  <PhoenixII> only openGFX there
21:32:11  <KenjiE20> hehe whoops
21:32:12  <planetmaker> hehe...
21:32:21  <Booth> wont make a difference in server
21:32:21  <planetmaker> doesn't matter mostly.
21:32:28  <PhoenixII> still
21:32:28  <Booth> as we use new grfs
21:32:37  <planetmaker> title screen misses more than ingame.
21:32:41  <Ammler> you don't need the original trains for the ps
21:32:42  <KenjiE20> unless you're like me and find opengfx makes your eyes hurt
21:32:46  <planetmaker> because ingame you have other train grfs anyway
21:32:56  <PhoenixII> going to USA so :P
21:33:02  <Booth> i like open GFX
21:33:03  <PhoenixII> going to be playing standard games
21:33:15  <planetmaker> what is "standard"?
21:33:20  <Ammler> doom
21:33:23  <PhoenixII> single player
21:33:25  <planetmaker> :D
21:33:30  <PhoenixII> on netbook
21:33:30  <PhoenixII> lol
21:33:36  <Booth> you can still add new grfs
21:33:42  <planetmaker> well... yes
21:33:49  <planetmaker> you should actually.
21:33:58  <planetmaker> it gets otherwise way to boring
21:34:06  <Ammler> KenjiE20: man:>> ?
21:34:07  <PhoenixII> nvm
21:34:17  <planetmaker> man: newgrf
21:34:22  <planetmaker> @man newgrf
21:34:22  <Webster>
21:34:22  <PhoenixII> i just usenetted the original :D
21:35:13  <KenjiE20> wha?
21:36:43  <PhoenixII> there we go :D
21:37:04  <PhoenixII> !password
21:37:04  <PublicServer> PhoenixII: voyage
21:38:11  <PhoenixII> hm
21:38:14  <PhoenixII> newgrf mismatch
21:38:15  <PhoenixII> ftw
21:38:29  <Ammler> @man bananas
21:38:30  <KenjiE20> bananas
21:38:31  <Webster> Content Service - OpenTTD -
21:38:52  <KenjiE20> (yes I just fixed that alias)
21:39:00  <planetmaker> right. THAT is also new :)
21:39:11  <PhoenixII> right
21:39:24  <PhoenixII> but the openttdcoop pack shouldve sufficed right?
21:39:42  <planetmaker> no.
21:39:46  <KenjiE20> nah, we're run newly released stuff from banans now
21:39:56  <KenjiE20>
21:40:00  <PhoenixII> ._.
21:40:18  <PhoenixII> i am wtf banana'ed?
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21:40:37  <Booth> our grf pack doesnt get updated very often now
21:40:53  <planetmaker> well... no need :)
21:40:58  <planetmaker> and less work :P
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21:41:16  <Booth> if grfs dont get released to bananas?
21:41:22  <Booth> but are in public
21:41:32  <planetmaker> we're not required to add them :)
21:41:35  <PhoenixII> !password
21:41:35  <PublicServer> PhoenixII: visaed
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21:41:51  <planetmaker> but we'll urge them to add them to bananas.
21:41:52  <Booth> so if i make a map with the spain set
21:41:52  <PublicServer> <Phoenix_the_II> zomgwtfbbq!
21:41:59  <Booth> which isnt in our grf pack
21:42:04  <planetmaker> Booth: so what?
21:42:06  <Booth> or on bananas
21:42:08  <planetmaker> is it our problem?
21:42:19  <Booth> no
21:42:23  <planetmaker> :)
21:42:26  <Booth> but it is if its put on PS
21:42:35  <planetmaker> it isn't. It won't even run
21:42:48  <planetmaker> because the server needs it, too
21:42:53  <Booth> ooh
21:42:59  <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (enough players)
21:42:59  <Mark> !password
21:42:59  <PublicServer> Mark: visaed
21:43:01  <KenjiE20> title map!!
21:43:01  <planetmaker> and you saw just the other day what happens when it hasn't it
21:43:10  <PublicServer> *** Mark joined the game
21:43:12  <planetmaker> title screen play :)
21:43:17  <Booth> yeah
21:43:30  <Mark> we should play that map once
21:43:39  <planetmaker> hehe :P
21:43:47  <Booth> well maybe i will remove spainish train set from the map i am making
21:44:14  <Mark> i'd suggest that if you want to play it on the ps
21:44:43  <planetmaker> for a single map an update is highly unlikely :)
21:44:49  <Booth> people can download it from tt-forums
21:44:58  <planetmaker> alone the preparation of the grfpack is well a day's worth of work
21:45:30  <planetmaker> and: there haven't been many new grfs which aren#t on bananas and which are worth playing
21:45:55  <Booth> spain set may well be on bananas
21:46:01  <Booth> but it is worth playing
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21:46:19  <planetmaker> well. then bug the authors. bananas is the way :)
21:46:50  <Ammler> why does the title game desync btw?
21:46:50  <el_B> !password
21:46:50  <PublicServer> el_B: visaed
21:47:01  <planetmaker> hm... does it?
21:47:03  <PublicServer> *** Kalaidos joined the game
21:47:05  <planetmaker> old game :)
21:47:15  <Ammler> you can't play it unpaused
21:47:25  <planetmaker> from the time before the newgrf data were saved in the map
21:47:30  <planetmaker> I was told once
21:47:42  <Ammler> no newgrfs in the title screen
21:47:49  <KenjiE20> opntitle could really use an update
21:47:52  <planetmaker> hm... true :P
21:48:03  <planetmaker> KenjiE20: but w/o newgrf.
21:48:08  <KenjiE20> obv
21:48:37  <KenjiE20> i remember there was that contest way back on TTF but nothing seems to have come of it
21:48:58  <planetmaker> yes., me too :)
21:49:13  <KenjiE20> think I've still got the two final entry zips too
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21:50:44  <PublicServer> *** Game paused (not enough players)
21:53:36  <Booth> shall we say my plan has won
21:53:39  <Booth> and play then?
21:54:31  <Xaroth> !dl win64
21:54:31  <PublicServer> Xaroth:
21:54:32  <Booth> !password
21:54:32  <PublicServer> Booth: visaed
21:54:41  <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (enough players)
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21:55:54  <Xaroth> !password
21:55:54  <PublicServer> Xaroth: binder
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21:58:02  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> xaroth your voted for the worng plan
21:58:15  <PublicServer> <Xaroth> That depends on your definition of right and wrong
21:58:28  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> my plan is the right plan to vote for
21:58:40  <PublicServer> <Xaroth> I like tneo's better because it follows the map
21:58:41  <planetmaker> g'night folks
21:58:50  <PublicServer> <Xaroth> nn PM
21:58:56  <Ammler> KenjiE20: echo "$PREFIX `cat $i`" >> "TEST.tmp"
21:59:34  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> mine can follow the map
21:59:55  <PublicServer> <Xaroth> your Wrendinghattan North has 4 spokes, where the map only shows 3 :)
22:00:01  <PublicServer> <Xaroth> tneo's plan is adapted for that
22:00:28  <PublicServer> *** Player joined the game
22:00:28  <PublicServer> <Player> hah
22:00:33  <PublicServer> *** Kalaidos joined the game
22:00:33  <PublicServer> <Player> wewt ono my netbook :D
22:00:33  <PublicServer> <Mark> Player :)
22:00:38  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> player change name please
22:00:39  <PublicServer> <Xaroth> now change yer name :P
22:00:41  <PublicServer> *** Player has changed his/her name to Phoenix_the_II
22:00:47  <PublicServer> <Phoenix_the_II> yeyeye
22:00:56  <PublicServer> <Mark> well im off
22:01:00  <PublicServer> <Mark> exams tomorrow
22:01:01  <PublicServer> <Xaroth> nn Mark
22:01:02  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> bye bye mark
22:01:03  <PublicServer> *** Mark has left the game (leaving)
22:01:03  <PublicServer> *** Mark has left the game (connection lost)
22:01:30  <Ammler> !password
22:01:30  <PublicServer> Ammler: binder
22:01:37  <PublicServer> *** AmmIer joined the game
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22:02:13  <PhoenixII> goodie
22:02:14  <PhoenixII> im set :D
22:02:16  <PhoenixII> for my games
22:02:20  <PhoenixII> oh
22:02:20  <PhoenixII> wait
22:02:24  <PhoenixII> chrono trigger
22:02:28  <PhoenixII> needses it
22:02:37  <PhoenixII> hope notebook can run it :o
22:03:22  <Ammler> did you download all newgrfs from bananas?
22:03:31  <PhoenixII> ye
22:03:34  <Ammler> and maps and scenarios?
22:03:43  <PhoenixII> maps?
22:03:45  <Ammler> and noais
22:03:46  <PhoenixII> scenatios?
22:03:51  <PhoenixII> nize?
22:04:07  <Ammler> if you like competition in your single player game
22:04:29  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> i dont
22:04:53  <Ammler> or maybe you are going to write your own AI
22:05:16  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> you can write your own?
22:05:25  <PublicServer> <Xaroth> how do you think others made theirs?
22:05:38  <KenjiE20> well those AIs didn't just appear from the magic faeries
22:05:43  <PublicServer> *** Xaroth has left the game (leaving)
22:05:43  <PublicServer> *** Xaroth has left the game (connection lost)
22:05:45  <Ammler> :-)
22:05:57  <Ammler> Mark is an AI too
22:05:58  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> they must have
22:06:11  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> i cant write my own
22:06:16  <hylje> magic pony
22:06:30  <Xaroth> you can if you knew how
22:07:13  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> well maybe someone should write a guid on how to make one
22:09:08  <KenjiE20> a graphical unique ID?
22:09:55  <Xaroth> Global Unique IDentifier :)
22:10:12  <KenjiE20> that was the word I was looking for
22:10:30  <Xaroth> :)
22:10:52  <Xaroth> thar, another step done for the localization thingie for AutoTTD
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22:14:27  <PublicServer> *** Game paused (not enough players)
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22:16:26  <Mark> i r AI
22:16:34  <Mark> Ammler is my master
22:16:43  <KenjiE20> Mark: uptime
22:16:54  <Mark> hehe
22:17:20  <Xaroth> Mark: rm -rf /
22:17:29  <KenjiE20> lol
22:17:40  <Xaroth> har har
22:17:48  <KenjiE20> shouldn't it be
22:17:57  <KenjiE20> Mark: exec "rm -rf /"
22:18:14  <KenjiE20> :P
22:18:18  <Xaroth> not by your format :)
22:18:36  <Xaroth> but that would work nontheless
22:18:47  <KenjiE20> @uptime
22:18:48  <Webster> KenjiE20: I have been running for 6 days, 4 hours, 23 minutes, and 45 seconds.
22:19:01  <Ammler> :-D
22:19:06  <KenjiE20> that's why I didn't exec it :P
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22:19:16  <Xaroth> heh
22:19:56  <KenjiE20> Mark should run a bunch of autoreplys, just for sillies :)
22:28:51  <Xaroth> Ammler: finally started working on the new (and improved) update functionality ... hopefully soon i can start working on actually making it useful again :P
22:30:10  * Ammler is still waiting for...
22:30:33  <Xaroth> for?
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22:31:46  * Xaroth prods Ammler
22:34:36  <Ammler> for the final suse AutoTTD
22:35:40  <Xaroth> hehe
22:36:29  <Xaroth> orudge: ftp server seems to be down for the host?
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22:38:06  <orudge> quite possibly
22:38:07  <orudge> should be up now
22:38:36  <Xaroth> yep
22:38:41  * Xaroth hugs
22:39:33  <theholyduck> what are you guys doing?
22:39:35  * theholyduck is boored
22:40:12  <Xaroth> working on AutoTTD
22:42:44  <theholyduck> c# application eh
22:43:00  * theholyduck sniffles at it because even though c# is theoretically multiplatform, nobody ever ports it
22:43:14  <hylje> i work on python instead
22:45:03  <Xaroth> theholyduck: as i said above, i'm trying to make it work through mono :)
22:45:15  <Xaroth> it 'technically' works on ubunut, how much it's being hated :)
22:45:40  <theholyduck> Xaroth, well sure, but like 90% of the people who use c# refuse to even try to port it
22:45:47  <Xaroth> yeh, blame Ammler :)
22:45:54  <theholyduck> wich leads us to bizare scenarios like avisynth and megui
22:46:01  <Xaroth> speaking of which, Ammler, the IS build is on the ottdc farm?
22:46:06  <theholyduck> great apps that relies on all sorts of open source software
22:46:11  <theholyduck> and even ARE open source
22:46:17  <theholyduck> but nobody has been able to port them
22:46:56  <theholyduck> soo what units do you guys play with when playing openttd?
22:47:01  * theholyduck always uses SI
22:47:33  <Xaroth> er, km etc
22:47:35  <Xaroth> i'm lazy
22:47:58  <theholyduck> SI just looks cooler
22:48:35  <theholyduck> not to mention im the kind of guy who lie in bed at night trying to work out what speed certain mph's is in m/s
22:48:42  <Ammler> Xaroth: we don't have a farm
22:48:57  <Ammler> Truebrain pshed them over after compile
22:49:04  <Xaroth> ah
22:49:21  <Ammler> they won't host unofficial build
22:49:35  <Ammler> but they compile it :-)
22:49:53  * Xaroth digs through logs
22:50:12  <Xaroth> :)
22:51:29  <Xaroth> trying to see if it's truly that easy to add support for 'unofficial' builds for auttotd
22:51:41  <Xaroth> granted they use sane tags like IS2 :)
22:52:10  <Xaroth> #openttdcoop: Infrastructure Sharing 2.0beta2 :: True (IS2.0-beta2)
22:52:10  <Xaroth> #coopetition ( :: False (hdd477585)
22:54:04  <Ammler> well
22:54:18  <Ammler> I can prepare what you need
22:54:47  <Xaroth> currently that list is being loaded together with the autottd-update-information list
22:54:55  <Xaroth> so it'll update it's list every time it re-starts
23:05:36  <Xaroth> I don't take it any of you lot are fancy with graphics?
23:05:49  * Xaroth needs iconz :/
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23:24:41  <Xaroth> Ammler:
23:24:46  <Xaroth> IS2 added to list
23:25:24  <Xaroth> $& is replacement char for the revision, {0} Is replacement for target environment (windows-win32 / windows-win64 etc)
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