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Log for #openttdcoop on 22nd September 2009:
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00:15:55  <PublicServer> <DCritic #1> attention! pludhall valley now accepts goods!!!
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00:35:31  <PublicServer> <DCritic #1> hey
00:35:33  <PublicServer> <DCritic #1> hello?
00:35:41  <Legolegs> ya
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00:35:58  <PublicServer> <DCritic #1> um can you figure out how to get goods to pludhall?
00:36:37  <Legolegs> sorry, no.
00:37:22  <Legolegs> and i plans to go in bed in next 12 minutes
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00:41:52  <PublicServer> <DCritic #1> hello?
00:41:56  <loknar> heyo
00:42:06  <PublicServer> <DCritic #1> jw, anyone doing the goods to pludhall?
00:47:58  <PublicServer> <DCritic #1> who made the truck station?
00:48:10  <Legolegs> me
00:48:15  <PublicServer> <DCritic #1> ok
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00:53:45  <loknar> has narc been in lately?
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01:03:00  <PublicServer> <DCritic #1> someone make spoke 7 transfer pls
01:03:56  <Legolegs> i go to sleep. bye.
01:04:09  <PublicServer> <DCritic #1> bye
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01:11:49  <PeterT> !password
01:11:49  <PublicServer> PeterT: sprint
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01:12:21  <PublicServer> <Peter> sorry
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01:24:59  <PeterT> !archeive
01:25:01  <PeterT> !archeives
01:25:04  <PeterT> !archives
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01:28:55  <mib_6mnttb> !password
01:28:55  <PublicServer> mib_6mnttb: taints
01:29:00  <mib_6mnttb> !players
01:29:02  <PublicServer> mib_6mnttb: Client 309 is FiCE, a spectator
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10:09:54  <Legolegs> !password
10:09:54  <PublicServer> Legolegs: brooch
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10:56:04  <Seppel> !password
10:56:04  <PublicServer> Seppel: upload
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11:26:07  <PublicServer> Raph: bigamy
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12:37:35  <De_Ghosty> !date
12:37:35  <PublicServer> De_Ghosty: 23 Mar 2169
12:37:37  <De_Ghosty> !company
12:37:39  <De_Ghosty> !stats
12:37:40  <PublicServer> De_Ghosty: use @coopstats
12:37:46  <De_Ghosty> @coopstats
12:37:46  <Webster> http://hyru.ath.cx:60080/~kenji/ottdcoop/stats.html
12:37:59  <De_Ghosty> !players
12:38:01  <PublicServer> De_Ghosty: Client 398 is Thraxian|Work, a spectator
12:38:06  <Thraxian|Work> and alive :)
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13:04:55  <rasta> !password
13:04:55  <PublicServer> rasta: upkeep
13:06:01  <rasta> !password
13:06:01  <PublicServer> rasta: upkeep
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14:20:02  <mark> !password
14:20:02  <PublicServer> mark: coaled
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14:22:30  <Thraxian|Work> hey Mark
14:22:35  <PublicServer> <Mark> hello
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14:23:16  <Thraxian|Work> were you interested in building, or just checking in?
14:23:32  <mark> just checking
14:24:16  <Thraxian|Work> definitely a lot left to do on this one :)
14:24:22  <mark> yeah
14:24:23  <Thraxian|Work> and some cleaning to be done as well
14:24:28  <mark> and im not doing it :P
14:25:20  <Thraxian|Work> I'm about ready to "adopt" another spoke
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15:12:24  <nineeyes> !password
15:12:24  <PublicServer> nineeyes: bagged
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15:31:08  <jonde> !password
15:31:09  <PublicServer> jonde: chrome
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15:34:36  <jdread> !password
15:34:36  <PublicServer> jdread: chrome
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16:31:05  <jdread> !password
16:31:05  <PublicServer> jdread: fleece
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16:55:53  <mark> @stage dead?
16:55:53  *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG #159 (r17496) | STAGE: dead? | www.openttdcoop.org | Use !help for IRC-commands | Screenshots: http://mz.openttdcoop.org/img/ | Coopetition ladder: http://mz.openttdcoop.org/ladder | IS2/FIRS game at #openttdcoop.dev"
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17:04:43  <Thraxian|Work> mark: I dunno if the game is dead - there just hasn't been anyone online to play today
17:05:07  <Thraxian|Work> there's a general lack of interest, though.  I attribute that to a somewhat vague plan.
17:05:27  <Thraxian|Work> and the fact that it was running with 3 idle people all weekend, so all the industries shut down from lack of service
17:05:56  <mark> there are plenty of industries since yesterday
17:06:12  <mark> as i prospected ~100
17:06:50  <LittleBoyRick> !password
17:06:50  <PublicServer> LittleBoyRick: dosing
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17:09:33  <HDIEagle> wazapple saupce
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17:09:57  <Thraxian|Work> hey rick - care to build?
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17:10:02  <HDIEagle> !password
17:10:02  <PublicServer> HDIEagle: dosing
17:10:14  <Thraxian|Work> nvm - looks like Eagle's coming in  too :)
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17:10:32  <HDIEagle> did anyone read "dosing" as "ddos" before "taking a dose" ?
17:10:33  <PublicServer> <LittleBoyRick> me? I am looking around what is what at the moment :)
17:11:30  <Thraxian|Work> HDIEagle: nope.  mine eyes stuttereth not
17:11:43  <PublicServer> <LittleBoyRick> i read is at dozing.
17:11:48  <PublicServer> <HD1Eagle> denial of service attack :P
17:11:59  <PublicServer> <HD1Eagle> i suppose that would be DoSing
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17:12:23  <PublicServer> <HD1Eagle> missing signal makes eagle angry
17:12:44  <PublicServer> <HD1Eagle> and talk in third person
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17:14:28  <PublicServer> <HD1Eagle> uh...!lolwut? is slow
17:14:47  <PublicServer> <HD1Eagle> if two consecutive trains need to enter station...
17:16:48  <PublicServer> <HD1Eagle> might as well run a 2x2 ML
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17:19:20  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> why isn't 2nd steel mill receiving any ore?
17:19:43  <PublicServer> <HD1Eagle> connected? is it receiving ore or coal?
17:20:03  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> steel mill doesn't accept coal
17:20:08  <PublicServer> <HD1Eagle> exactly
17:20:35  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> train 151
17:20:56  <PublicServer> <HD1Eagle> lololololol
17:21:00  <PublicServer> <HD1Eagle> i totally called that
17:21:04  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> just refit it
17:21:10  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> er..I just did :)
17:21:18  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> but still, there are 3 other trains
17:21:27  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> and they all deliver to the 1st steel mill, but not the second
17:21:32  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> see "IRON ORE DROP (Spoke 1)"
17:21:35  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> (station name)
17:22:07  <PublicServer> <HD1Eagle> its obviously getting ore since there is steel
17:22:14  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> now, it's getting ore
17:22:19  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> dunno what changed....
17:22:28  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> but the "cargo waiting to be processed" was sitting at 0
17:22:31  <PublicServer> <HD1Eagle> all its feeders are ore
17:22:37  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> both steel mills are connected to same ore drop
17:22:48  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> so shouldn't they share the ore that's dropped?
17:23:38  <PublicServer> <HD1Eagle> hrem
17:23:47  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> now you see what I'm talking about?
17:23:58  <PublicServer> <HD1Eagle> obvlivious to tree
17:28:19  <PublicServer> <HD1Eagle> all it looks like is a programming flaw
17:28:40  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> I'm moving coal back to transfer station
17:28:58  <PublicServer> <HD1Eagle> i guess you have to saturate first mill before second mill is used
17:29:15  <PublicServer> <HD1Eagle> works nau
17:29:22  <PublicServer> <HD1Eagle> maybe its random :P
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17:32:39  <phatmatt> !password
17:32:39  <PublicServer> phatmatt: drills
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17:34:09  <PublicServer> <HD1Eagle> i thought it was "send a sheep", not "sean da sheep"
17:34:24  <PublicServer> <HD1Eagle> :3
17:38:43  <PublicServer> <HD1Eagle> you building?
17:39:28  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> me - not really, just getting more trains
17:39:37  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> I was thinking about tackling another spoke
17:39:54  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> haven't decided if I'm going to yet
17:40:14  <PublicServer> <HD1Eagle> well, gotta go do some hw - more assembly :)
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17:40:30  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> fun fun
17:40:48  <DJNekkid> !password
17:40:48  <PublicServer> DJNekkid: drills
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17:59:26  <PublicServer> <jdread> corrupt sons of bitches
17:59:37  <PublicServer> <SmatZ> ?
17:59:54  <PublicServer> <jdread> nvm
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18:05:40  <Fuco> !password
18:05:40  <PublicServer> Fuco: broods
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18:08:23  <PublicServer> <DJ Nekkid> btw, did anyone test the 2cc Chimaera?
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18:15:15  <tussengas> !password
18:15:15  <PublicServer> tussengas: broods
18:15:19  <tussengas> hey guys
18:15:33  <PublicServer> <jdread> hey
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18:34:56  <PublicServer> <tussengas> anyone here who planned the ML trains?
18:35:14  <Thraxian|Work> I didn't plan them, but I know a bit about them - what's up?
18:35:41  <PublicServer> <tussengas> im connecting some Powerplants in spoke 14
18:35:51  <PublicServer> <tussengas> so there can be some coaldrop if you want
18:36:25  <PublicServer> <tussengas> will be more profitable then bringing coal from 5 to 2 :p
18:37:10  <Thraxian|Work> was there a question in there?
18:37:34  <PublicServer> <tussengas> hmm, well, i don't want to rune the order plans of more exp. people :p
18:37:57  <PublicServer> <tussengas> so the question is , can you bring some coal to 14, or is more drop not needed yet
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18:38:28  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> I would probably set up the coal trains to pickup from 1 to 13, drop at 14, pick up from 12 to 4, drop at 2
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18:38:34  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> or something along those lines...
18:38:41  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> skipping stations that are not exporting coal already
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18:39:39  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> right now, it looks like 4, 5, and 16 are exporting coal
18:39:40  <PublicServer> <tussengas> at this moment they go only trough transfers 1-5 . at least, those i checked
18:39:48  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> so 4,5 should to to 14, and 16 should go to 2
18:39:58  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> meaning, we need another ML Coal group
18:40:10  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> one for coal to west, and one for coal to east
18:40:15  <PublicServer> <tussengas> sounds good
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18:42:04  <A3aan> Hi all
18:42:12  <PublicServer> <tussengas> import line of spoke 14 is ready for cargo, just waiting for cargo to make trains ;)
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18:47:54  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> actually, let's send all coal to you.  all the coal trains on spoke2 earn negative income :)
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18:48:26  <PublicServer> <tussengas> thats , i think, because the powerstations are at a closer distance to the mines than the transfers are
18:48:28  <PublicServer> <tussengas> at least
18:48:32  <PublicServer> <tussengas> that's my theory
18:48:33  <PublicServer> <tussengas> :P
18:49:03  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> I've found the 1 train that hauls coal from 16 to 2
18:49:06  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> it's in a new group now
18:49:15  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> all the other trains are about to make a shift to drop at 14
18:49:41  <A3aan> !password
18:49:41  <PublicServer> A3aan: stodgy
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18:50:38  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> I'm thinking that trains should go 16->4->drop at 2
18:50:48  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> and the other set will do 1->3->5->drop at 14
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18:51:01  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> or we could make the trains do all of that
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18:51:05  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> it would require a new crossover
18:51:10  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> east of 14
18:51:44  <tussengas> (sorry missed some text, checkin irc to readup :P)
18:52:59  <tussengas> hmm, well, dunno sure about spreading even and uneven spokes, or just >8 and <8
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18:54:08  <PublicServer> <tussengas> btw
18:54:11  <PublicServer> <tussengas> 13 is exporting coal
18:54:15  <PublicServer> <tussengas> quite some
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18:54:41  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> 13 shouldn't be
18:54:48  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> there's coal there, but I'm not moving it
18:55:07  <PublicServer> <tussengas> hmm true... but i saw a full train passing by wich said that it came from 13 :p
18:55:20  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> might be iron, might be grain
18:55:23  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> they all use the same cars
18:55:26  <PublicServer> <tussengas> yeah, probably
18:55:52  <PublicServer> <tussengas> shall i connect the 2 coalmines in 13?
18:56:01  <Thraxian|Work> no
18:56:24  <PublicServer> <tussengas> k
18:56:56  <Thraxian|Work> brb...phone
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19:01:52  <PublicServer> <tussengas> tell me when you got the trains ready to go to 14 ;)
19:04:03  <Razaekel> !password
19:04:03  <PublicServer> Razaekel: pecked
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19:06:35  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> see orders for train 51, starting at order #6
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19:06:49  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> how does that look?
19:07:01  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> actually - need to put some jumps in there, I think
19:07:09  <PublicServer> <tussengas> CO order for if train is full?
19:07:15  <PublicServer> <tussengas> :P
19:08:31  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> kk - how does that look?
19:09:13  <PublicServer> <tussengas> that would work
19:09:18  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> I just added one more jump
19:09:25  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> if there is no load, start over instead of going to drop
19:09:32  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> that look ok?
19:09:46  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> that's the 4->3->5->14 order list
19:10:01  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> coal from 1 should tunnel ML and be delivered directly to 2
19:10:08  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> and coal from 16 goes to 2
19:10:31  <PublicServer> <tussengas> should work
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19:10:49  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> making the change now.
19:11:18  <PublicServer> <tussengas> as soon as the first coal comes, ill start releasing some trains at spoke 14
19:11:39  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> so what, spoke 2 has the factory?
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19:12:19  <Hylke> !dl win32
19:12:19  <PublicServer> Hylke: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r17496/openttd-trunk-r17496-windows-win32.zip
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19:14:59  <PublicServer> <tussengas> train 51 is about to go to spoke 14 :p :D
19:15:42  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> why is spoke 2 accepting both factory goods and coal?
19:15:53  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> should move coal to a different spoke
19:16:23  <PublicServer> <tussengas> quite some coal is allready being moved to 14 now
19:16:36  <PublicServer> <jdread> yes.. spook 2 is chaotic.
19:18:44  <PublicServer> <jdread> whats going on between spook 1 and 2?
19:19:17  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> probably trying to direct deliver steel
19:19:44  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> er
19:19:46  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> coal
19:19:49  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> for some reason
19:19:52  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> coal from 1->2
19:19:59  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> coal should go to 14
19:20:02  <Hylke> !pass
19:20:03  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> not 2
19:20:07  <Hylke> !password
19:20:07  <PublicServer> Hylke: magnum
19:20:08  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> coal from 3,4,5 go to 14
19:20:19  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> I didn't want the trains to have to go to 1 also
19:20:20  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> add 1 to that list
19:20:31  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> don't we have enough stuff going through 2/1?
19:20:43  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> actually - might as well
19:20:51  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> there's no crossover to bypass that end
19:21:00  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> we can run the steel from 1 to 2 on that track, tho
19:21:01  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> 4->1->3->5->14
19:21:09  <PublicServer> <tussengas> btw
19:21:15  <PublicServer> <jdread> and how do we solve the goods overflow issue at spook 02 export?
19:21:16  <Legolegs> hi all
19:21:34  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> clearly, you need more trains
19:21:37  <PublicServer> <tussengas> im copying some train 51's because the trip to 14 makes the pickup time quite long
19:21:38  <PublicServer> <tussengas> :p
19:21:44  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> or set a second spoke for factory
19:22:18  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> say spoke 15 be another factory spoke
19:22:26  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> then you can run 1-7 to spoke 2
19:22:32  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> and 8-16 to 15
19:22:44  <PublicServer> <legolegs> i'm working with wood. I think labmer mill on spoke 2 must go other place
19:22:46  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> orders corrected
19:22:57  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> put the mill on spoke 4
19:23:16  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> if we end up mirroring the spokes, we'll have power plants on spoke 3
19:23:22  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> and a steel mill on spoke 16
19:23:31  <PublicServer> <tussengas> hmm why are trains wich you copy not with 'shared orders'
19:23:36  <Hylke> Hey Guys
19:23:39  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> hold down ctrl
19:23:40  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> ctrl-click them
19:23:41  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> when copying
19:23:44  <PublicServer> <tussengas> ah ty
19:24:00  <Hylke> where do i get all the grfx needed?
19:24:19  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> who built train 347?
19:24:31  <Hylke> where do i get all the grfx needed?
19:24:48  <Legolegs> http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/GRF
19:25:14  <KenjiE20> @quickstart
19:25:16  <Webster> Quickstart - #openttdcoop Wiki - http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Quickstart
19:25:25  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> 14 needs more trains to handle incoming coal
19:25:34  <PublicServer> <tussengas> yeah sorry
19:25:34  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> already over 10k waiting
19:25:35  <PublicServer> <tussengas> working on it
19:26:06  <PublicServer> <tussengas> btw
19:26:09  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> bad terminus design at funningstone halt
19:26:23  <PublicServer> <tussengas> didnt expect this much input ;)
19:26:36  <Hylke> Yes I have the 7.3 grfx pack downloaded already
19:26:50  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> have you checked the "Online Content" button in-game?
19:26:50  <Hylke> but i am missing only 3 grfx files
19:27:22  <Hylke> yes
19:27:35  <PublicServer> <tussengas> hmm that looks like another easy solution
19:28:04  <PublicServer> <tussengas> i think my conclussion was right btw, about the transfer
19:28:42  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> wow - one of my farms on spoke 13 produces 621 tons of grain each month
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19:29:01  <PublicServer> <tussengas> the import station is further away from the mine then the PS so the transport from transfer to PW is negative
19:29:05  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> I hereby dub Spoke 13 as "Kansas"
19:29:24  <jonde> !password
19:29:24  <PublicServer> jonde: magnum
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19:30:26  <Hylke> Missing grfx:
19:30:35  <Hylke> "Expert servers -  Industries (v4.0)" and "Town and Industries - UK Houses Beta 0.2" and "2cc Chimaera"
19:30:35  <Ammler> -x
19:30:38  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> I'm about to inject about 8 more trains for grain/ore for spoke 13
19:30:42  <KenjiE20> @quickstart
19:30:44  <Ammler> +s
19:30:44  <Webster> Quickstart - #openttdcoop Wiki - http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Quickstart
19:31:01  <Hylke> I alraedy have the 7.3 grfx pack
19:31:06  <Ammler> -x
19:31:17  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> Hylke: start OpenTTD.  Click NewGRF Settings, Click Check Online Content
19:31:37  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> I believe they are listed in there
19:31:46  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> and you can download those directly from in-game
19:31:52  <KenjiE20> just like quickstart tells you to
19:31:52  <Hylke> okay
19:31:58  <Ammler> or !grf
19:32:02  <Hylke> try that (again)
19:32:05  <PublicServer> <tussengas> btw... what a bounch of TF did critic do at spoke 12 :s
19:32:08  <PublicServer> <tussengas> 16
19:32:28  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> lol
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19:32:33  <PublicServer> <tussengas> 16 looks ugly :(
19:33:16  <Hylke> They aint in the list
19:33:52  <Hylke> And Kenji, I have been in openttd before, i know how it works...
19:34:11  <Hylke> Only need those last freeking grfx.... :)
19:34:13  <Thraxian|Work> Hylke: I'm looking at the list right now
19:34:27  <Thraxian|Work> Type=NewGRF, Name = 2cc Chimara addon
19:34:29  <Thraxian|Work> was that one of them?
19:35:31  <Hylke> "Expert servers -  Industries (v4.0)" and "Town and Industries - UK Houses Beta 0.2" and "2cc Chimaera"
19:36:01  <Hylke> I've seen that one, its not accacly the same, but when i click on it, i can download it anyway
19:36:20  <PublicServer> <tussengas> anywya
19:36:24  <PublicServer> <tussengas> i'm off
19:36:25  <PublicServer> <tussengas> cya guys
19:36:29  <KenjiE20> are you clicking the two buttons underlined on the quickstart image?
19:36:30  <Thraxian|Work> http://grfcrawler.tt-forums.net/index.php?do=list
19:36:32  <Webster> Title: GRFCrawler (at grfcrawler.tt-forums.net)
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19:37:06  <Thraxian|Work> you can check there too
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19:39:10  <Hylke> Yay
19:39:15  <Hylke> !password
19:39:15  <PublicServer> Hylke: buzzed
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19:39:39  <PublicServer> <Hylke> Hey Guys
19:39:44  <PublicServer> <Hylke> and Girls ^^
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19:43:26  <Thraxian|Work> where'd you find the GRFs?
19:43:55  <PublicServer> <Hylke> When you click on the server
19:44:04  <PublicServer> <Hylke> it sayd: "Grfx dont match"
19:44:19  <PublicServer> <Hylke> Then there is a button, find content online
19:44:25  <PublicServer> <Hylke> and there i found it
19:44:27  <Thraxian|Work> yeah - that's what I meant to tell you about
19:44:33  <PublicServer> <Hylke> :)
19:44:34  <Thraxian|Work> but I couldn't remember the exact steps to get there
19:44:37  <Thraxian|Work> good work :)
19:44:44  <PublicServer> <Hylke> np
19:44:47  <Thraxian|Work> I love that online content feature
19:44:48  <KenjiE20> Thrax; you mean the pic on the QS page?
19:45:09  <Thraxian|Work> no, I mean the screen where you can "Select All" and "Download"
19:45:26  <Thraxian|Work> selecting a MP server, clicking "NewGRF Settings" and "Find Content Online"
19:45:35  <Thraxian|Work> completely inside openTTD
19:45:44  * KenjiE20 thinks Thrax hasn't ever read quickstart >_>
19:46:08  * Thraxian|Work prefers starting slowly
19:46:38  <tussengas> agrees with thrax
19:46:40  <PublicServer> <Hylke> anything simple i can do for you guys?
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19:46:54  <tussengas> most missing contact is able to do with that function
19:46:56  <Thraxian|Work> want to set up an industry loop in 08?
19:46:58  <tussengas> contact?
19:46:59  <tussengas> wtf
19:47:04  <tussengas> ment content
19:47:20  <PublicServer> <Hylke> Jam @ "!JAM"
19:47:53  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> hmmm...was 03 accepting coal?
19:47:57  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> no
19:48:07  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> then why are a bunch of trains trying to load it?
19:48:22  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> looks like 03 had an undocumented coal drop
19:48:33  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> and the new orders stopped delivering coal to 03
19:48:37  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> so jam
19:48:55  <Ammler> Hylke: IT'S NOT grfX!
19:49:29  <Ammler> :-)
19:49:58  <tussengas> ammler, as smooth as always ;)
19:50:33  <Ammler> well....
19:52:52  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> wow - 1224 ore /month at one mine
19:53:09  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> why the fuck is there a ML train on spoke 1?
19:53:11  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> spoke 13 is exporting 2500 ore per month
19:53:15  <PublicServer> <Hylke> What is train 130 doing on a  spoke?
19:54:40  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> and who messed with my terminus stations
19:54:41  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> >.<
19:56:38  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> im killing the Iron ore drop in spoke 1
19:56:43  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> to get rid of the steel
19:56:52  <PublicServer> <Hylke> k
19:57:01  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> as long as you're willing to verify orders aren't broken
19:57:10  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> pfft
19:57:14  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> only 4 trains use it
20:00:00  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> wtf
20:00:29  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> I'm floating drop stations to the top of the station list
20:00:34  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> so we can easily find where cargo is going
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20:03:44  <A3aan> Hi everyone, A3aan here from the Netherlands
20:03:51  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> Welcome, A3aan :)
20:04:09  <A3aan> thanx
20:04:21  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> we have a lot of ....netherlandians?... in our community
20:04:24  <tussengas> where's bassie?
20:04:32  <PublicServer> <Hylke> Dutch?
20:04:34  <tussengas> dutch?
20:04:36  <PublicServer> <Hylke> Nederlanders
20:04:36  <A3aan> yeah, i saw that in the memberlist
20:04:37  <KenjiE20> dutch
20:04:40  <tussengas> hollanders
20:04:41  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> yeah - I guess "dutch" works too :)
20:04:42  <tussengas> boeren?
20:04:46  <A3aan> dutchies :)
20:04:47  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> I'm american - what do I know about geography?
20:04:57  <KenjiE20> I wasn't going to say anything
20:05:05  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> Kenji must be british :)
20:05:09  <tussengas> in europe we would say... he is american... what does he know about anything ;)
20:05:13  <KenjiE20> I was thinking it loudly though
20:05:14  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> so polite and proper....hehe
20:05:35  <SmatZ> :-D
20:05:51  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> will you be joining us in this game, A3aan?
20:05:51  <A3aan> ok, i've got a quick question since i'm quite new to openTTD
20:05:57  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> sure - ask away!
20:06:05  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> why the heck is spoke 1 transfer accepting iron ore?
20:06:15  <tussengas> :)
20:06:17  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> for the steel mill(s) at spoke 01
20:06:20  <KenjiE20> 'get used to OTTD first' will be the likely response :P
20:06:20  <A3aan> any chance i can watch a game as spectator...?
20:06:21  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> ah - that is weird
20:06:25  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> it should NOT BE ACCEPTING IT
20:06:26  <KenjiE20> yes
20:06:27  <mark> @quickstart
20:06:29  <mark> read that
20:06:29  <Webster> Quickstart - #openttdcoop Wiki - http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Quickstart
20:06:40  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> A3aan: absolutely.  just choose watch game when you join our server
20:06:49  <tussengas> yeah you can spectate
20:06:51  <mark> we should allow only one new dutchie each month
20:06:56  <A3aan> ok, i'm on my way
20:06:58  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> it should be transferring it, not accepting
20:06:58  <tussengas> hehehehe
20:07:01  <tussengas> why mark?
20:07:01  <A3aan> !password
20:07:01  <PublicServer> A3aan: trashy
20:07:02  <KenjiE20> the 'Spectate' button kind of gives it away
20:07:08  <mark> because we get an overload :P
20:07:12  <Ammler> you can also watch from the company, shouldn't hurt.
20:07:18  <tussengas> we should have an meeting ;)
20:07:19  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> no it isnt
20:07:30  <Ammler> (easier to see some facts)
20:07:34  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> true, Raz
20:07:39  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> I had wrong station size selected
20:07:43  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> you have to have a station within 3 tiles of the mill
20:08:19  <A3aan> uhmm... first problem... i'm not having a nighly build :S
20:08:27  <tussengas> !dl
20:08:27  <PublicServer> tussengas: !dl autostart|autottd|autoupdate|lin|lin64|osx|win32|win64|win9x
20:08:28  <KenjiE20> @quickstart
20:08:30  <Webster> Quickstart - #openttdcoop Wiki - http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Quickstart
20:08:35  <tussengas> kenjie
20:08:36  <KenjiE20> ^ as mark sai
20:08:38  <KenjiE20> d
20:08:48  <tussengas> somehow i think you are in a manthra of repeating yourself ;)
20:08:56  <tussengas> or however its called in english
20:09:30  <KenjiE20> I already typed the answers, they just all happen to be on that page :P
20:09:45  <PublicServer> <Hylke> 16k coal waiting @ spoke 5 transfer
20:09:58  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> odd - Spoke 1 no longer accepts iron
20:10:00  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> what happened?
20:10:04  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> dunno
20:10:13  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> nfc
20:10:36  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> now it is again
20:10:40  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> Hylke add some trains to the ML Coal (4->3->5->14) list
20:10:51  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> Raz: that is odd....
20:11:05  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> O.o
20:11:09  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> now it's not
20:11:10  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> it's the trains!
20:11:15  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> it's the damn trains
20:11:17  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> haha
20:11:21  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> i think
20:11:22  <A3aan> !dl autostart|autottd|autoupdate|lin|lin64|osx|win32|win64|win9x
20:11:22  <PublicServer> A3aan: unknown option "autostart|autottd|autoupdate|lin|lin64|osx|win32|win64|win9x"
20:11:26  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> which train?
20:11:29  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> an iron ore train?
20:11:32  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> nfc
20:11:36  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> bloody weird
20:12:08  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> doing it again
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20:12:11  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> train 311
20:12:14  <KenjiE20> you missed the line 'pick one'
20:12:15  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> iron ore train just entered
20:12:25  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> that happened earlier, but it didnt change
20:12:25  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> now leaving
20:13:01  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> watch train 310
20:13:17  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> coming out of spoke 2 now
20:13:24  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> nope - wasn't that train
20:13:36  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> train 303 also there....
20:14:16  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> that is just too weird
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20:14:55  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> i give up
20:14:58  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> it seems random
20:15:31  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> trains are set to transfer anyways
20:15:36  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> so shouldn't be a problem
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20:16:37  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> 24 ML trains can't keep up with Spoke 13's supply
20:16:58  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> I guess I'll just have to add more
20:17:07  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> they make about 1M USD each year
20:17:54  <A3aan> !dl
20:17:54  <PublicServer> A3aan: !dl autostart|autottd|autoupdate|lin|lin64|osx|win32|win64|win9x
20:18:16  <Thraxian|Work> what OS are you running, A3aan?
20:18:48  <A3aan> winxp
20:19:04  <Thraxian|Work> I recommend the autoupdate
20:19:06  <Thraxian|Work> !dl autoupdate
20:19:06  <PublicServer> Thraxian|Work: http://www.openttdcoop.org/winupdater
20:19:12  <A3aan> just installed the autoupdater v2.0
20:19:17  <Thraxian|Work> cool
20:19:21  <A3aan> allready updating
20:19:25  <Thraxian|Work> very nice :)
20:20:55  <A3aan> but i guess i still have to dl latest nighly build or not?
20:21:34  <A3aan> using stable 0.7.2 now
20:21:43  <mark> autoupdater should do that for you
20:22:04  <mark> thats pretty much the point behind it
20:22:19  <mark> !dl win32
20:22:19  <PublicServer> mark: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r17496/openttd-trunk-r17496-windows-win32.zip
20:22:26  <mark> ^ if you prefer to do it manually
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20:23:21  <PeterT> !password
20:23:22  <PublicServer> PeterT: grates
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20:23:38  <A3aan> !dl win32
20:23:38  <PublicServer> A3aan: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r17496/openttd-trunk-r17496-windows-win32.zip
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20:24:15  <PublicServer> <Hylke> Coal Mainline trains do not have correct orders
20:24:43  <PublicServer> <Hylke> for exaple, look @ train 342, its going empty to the Spoke 14 export station
20:25:34  <PublicServer> <Peter> what happened to all the industries on this map?
20:25:49  <A3aan> ok, downloaded nightly r17496... where to unzip?
20:25:55  <PublicServer> <Peter> anywhere
20:26:01  <A3aan> ok
20:26:54  <PeterT> !tell A3aan !grf
20:26:55  <PublicServer> A3aan: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/GRF (Version 7.3)
20:27:49  <mark> hmm
20:27:52  <mark> #  Generally we play 512^2 1024^256 or similar sizes.
20:28:02  <Ammler> :-)
20:28:22  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> train 342?
20:28:32  <KenjiE20> lol
20:28:41  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> that's not a ML train
20:28:48  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> that's a spoke 14 train
20:29:10  <PublicServer> <Hylke> oh
20:29:14  <PublicServer> <Hylke> -_-
20:29:15  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> and it doesn't go to 14 export (or did you change it already?)
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20:29:24  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> nothing goes to 14 export
20:29:26  <mark> im off, goodnight
20:29:34  <PublicServer> <Peter> night
20:29:36  <KenjiE20> that page is almost entirely in need of updating
20:29:46  <PublicServer> <Hylke> I say Import
20:29:49  <PeterT> which page/
20:29:53  <PublicServer> <Hylke> *sayd
20:29:59  <Thraxian|Work> <Hylke> for exaple, look @ train 342, its going empty to the Spoke 14 export station
20:30:29  <Hylke> hmpf, now i see
20:30:31  <Thraxian|Work> those trains pickup at 14 import, deliver to coal plant
20:30:33  <Hylke> srry for the typo :)
20:30:36  <Thraxian|Work> if they can't drop at one, they go to the next
20:30:43  <Thraxian|Work> eventually, they end up empty and back at 14 import
20:30:53  <PublicServer> <Peter> wow, train running costs are high
20:31:30  <A3aan> autoupdater updates my nightly release to latest which doesn't match with the server
20:31:39  <A3aan> just installed everything again lol
20:31:40  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> k/year - 3 locos on ML trains
20:32:01  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> A3aan: choose #openttdcoop, not latest nightly, when configuring the installation
20:32:06  <PublicServer> <jdread> thats LOCO!
20:32:34  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> the OpenTTD release drop down should say "#openttdcoop Public Server"
20:32:41  <A3aan> ah ok
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20:38:38  <A3aan> !password
20:38:38  <PublicServer> A3aan: sierra
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20:39:40  <A3aan> !password
20:39:40  <PublicServer> A3aan: sierra
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20:39:56  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> A3aan: you can change your name in game by accessing the console and typing "name <newname>"
20:40:14  <A3aan> finally... i'm in :p
20:40:18  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> welcome!
20:40:27  <PublicServer> <A3aan> ty
20:40:39  <PublicServer> <Hylke> Thraxian
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20:40:44  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> have you played openTTD (or the original TTD) before?
20:40:47  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> yes, Hylke?
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20:40:54  <PublicServer> <Hylke> Are you always @ work? :P
20:41:06  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> only when y'all are awake!
20:41:17  <PublicServer> <Hylke> I almost always see your nick like this ;)
20:41:19  <PublicServer> <A3aan> its been a while ago since i played the original TTD
20:41:40  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> there are a lot of new things in openTTD, so if you're confused about something, just ask :)
20:41:51  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> the wiki is also VERY helpful in illustrating some of our building techniques
20:41:55  <PublicServer> <A3aan> discovered openTTD just a few days ago
20:41:56  <Thraxian|Work> @wiki
20:41:58  <Webster> Search - #openttdcoop Wiki - http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=
20:42:14  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> our community is based on cooperative building: 1 company, many players
20:42:22  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> we test out new designs, and just try to have fun
20:42:57  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> who moved Coal Drop 2 (Spoke 14)?
20:43:10  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> you moved it out of the power plant's range
20:43:34  <PublicServer> <A3aan> i have read quite a bit in guides/wiki's and forums
20:43:39  <PublicServer> <jondisti> don't know who...
20:43:56  <PublicServer> <A3aan> but there has changed a lot indeed
20:44:13  <PublicServer> <Hylke> I didnt change that
20:44:19  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> I've fixed it (for now)
20:44:27  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> looksl ike we need another power plant in spoke 14
20:44:42  <PublicServer> <jondisti> why's that?
20:44:56  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> the two we are servicing are full to capactiy
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20:44:59  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> and can't accept more coal
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20:45:20  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> holy backup, batman :)
20:45:40  <PublicServer> <A3aan> can you hide trees? they are killing my laptop a bit lol
20:45:48  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> yes
20:45:51  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> hit ctrl-X
20:45:58  <PublicServer> <Hylke> A3aan
20:46:03  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> and click the picture of the tree
20:46:04  <PublicServer> <Hylke> you can typ ingame
20:46:05  <PublicServer> <jondisti> i don't need ctrl, just X :P
20:46:10  <PublicServer> <Hylke> just push enter :)
20:46:14  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> X toggles transparency
20:46:29  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> you have to use ctrl-X to make them invisible.  i ctrl-click the tree to lock it
20:46:38  <wilcoo> !password
20:46:38  <PublicServer> wilcoo: maiden
20:46:42  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> so when I toggle transparency with X, they stay invisible
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20:47:07  <PublicServer> <A3aan> i'm typing ingame all the time, but it also appears in chatzilla :p
20:47:14  <PublicServer> <jondisti> oh
20:48:11  <PublicServer> <jondisti> and too many trains on spoke 14 import again
20:48:17  <KenjiE20> jonde: going ever so slightly mad it seems :P
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20:50:19  <PublicServer> <Hylke> we reached maximum amount of trains
20:50:27  <PublicServer> <Hylke> 500
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20:50:33  <Thraxian|Work> !trains 600
20:50:34  <PublicServer> *** Thraxian|Work has set max_trains to 600
20:51:03  <Thraxian|Work> @stage Building
20:51:04  *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG #159 (r17496) | STAGE: Building | www.openttdcoop.org | Use !help for IRC-commands | Screenshots: http://mz.openttdcoop.org/img/ | Coopetition ladder: http://mz.openttdcoop.org/ladder | IS2/FIRS game at #openttdcoop.dev"
20:51:35  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> the coal supply at 14 is very off and on
20:51:39  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> up to 9k waiting now
20:51:51  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> it seems to come in spurts
20:53:25  <PublicServer> <A3aan> geesh... that are a lot of trains
20:54:32  <PublicServer> <jdread> COAL DROP 2 (Spoke 14) are giving some serious negatives.
20:55:42  <PublicServer> <jdread> And so is coal drop 1 (spoke 14)
20:55:46  <PublicServer> <jdread> whats up with dat
20:56:39  <PublicServer> <A3aan> what's the profit on a yearly base at the moment???
20:56:53  <PublicServer> <jondisti> who's creating signs @ spoke 14 depot? :P
20:56:57  <PublicServer> <Hylke> me
20:57:28  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> currently, it's hard to say what profit is
20:57:31  <PublicServer> <jondisti> the trains i just bought was for iron ore station i just built :P
20:57:37  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> we had 5M+ 2 years ago, but last year was -31M
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20:58:05  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> jondisti: check signalling
20:58:12  <PublicServer> <A3aan> lol ok
20:58:40  <PublicServer> <jondisti> hmm where?
20:58:47  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> everywhere you just built
20:58:53  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> it will be VERY obvious what you missed
20:59:18  <PublicServer> <jondisti> heh
20:59:40  <PublicServer> <jondisti> it didn't matter too much for now :P
21:00:04  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> signalling always matters
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21:04:12  <PublicServer> <A3aan> how on earth are costs possible at dropoff points??
21:08:51  <Thraxian|Work> A3aan: we're transferring cargo.  If the final train goes in the opposite direction, it takes a loss because the transfer amount was over-inflated
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21:09:24  <PublicServer> <A3aan> ah ok
21:09:25  <Thraxian|Work> to determine the total revenue of cargo, you would add the profits of all 3 trains (the pimary->transfer) (transfer->transfer) (transfer->secondary)
21:09:35  <Thraxian|Work> that *should* be positive
21:09:41  <Thraxian|Work> depending on how long the cargo has been sitting
21:10:34  <Thraxian|Work> for instance, I'm exporting iron ore from spoke 14 to spoke 2
21:10:51  <Thraxian|Work> the 30 ML trains average around 800k/year - so we'll round to 30M
21:11:08  <Thraxian|Work> from 02 transfer to iron ore drop, 4 trans lose about 2M a year, so that's -8M
21:11:28  <Thraxian|Work> er...spoke 13
21:12:06  <Thraxian|Work> from spoke 13 primaries to 13 transfer, I have 14 trains, averaging around 500k per year, so that's 7M
21:12:20  <Thraxian|Work> total profit = 30M - 8M + 7M = 29M
21:12:25  <Thraxian|Work> that's just an estimate
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21:12:54  <A3aan> seems kinda complicated at first :p
21:14:19  <Thraxian|Work> yeah - we like to make things exceedingly difficult to figure out
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21:14:35  <jdread> !password
21:14:35  <PublicServer> jdread: towels
21:14:43  <A3aan> so i see
21:14:53  <A3aan> just like the rail layout
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21:15:04  <Thraxian|Work> yeah - but there's a method to the madness
21:15:08  <A3aan> i'm impressed
21:15:18  <A3aan> i still need a lot to learn lol
21:15:51  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> the best way to learn is to watch the games, ask questions, and read our wiki
21:16:02  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> we have a tutorial game that illustrates our basic building styles
21:16:08  <Thraxian|Work> @wiki tutorial
21:16:10  <Webster> Search results for "tutorial" - #openttdcoop Wiki - http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=tutorial
21:16:16  <A3aan> i allready had a look at it
21:16:38  <Thraxian|Work> then you're ahead of the game!  woohoo!
21:16:57  <A3aan> well.... the tut was allready wel developed
21:17:14  <A3aan> i'm wondering how you setup a complete network from scratch
21:17:38  <A3aan> i.o.w. i'd like to see a new game start
21:17:49  <A3aan> just to see how things build up from nothing
21:18:15  <Thraxian|Work> at the start of a new game, we spend several real-world days (usually) designing plans
21:18:26  <Thraxian|Work> then we vote on a plan, and when enough votes are cast, we start construction
21:18:38  <Thraxian|Work> so there's usually about 2 days of "down-time" between games
21:18:56  <Thraxian|Work> if you check in once or twice a day, you're almost guaranteed to see us in that state eventually
21:19:16  <A3aan> wow ok
21:19:22  <A3aan> i'll keep that in mind
21:19:25  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> I've gotta run - things to do this afternoon :)
21:19:29  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> see you around, A3aan!
21:19:38  <A3aan> ok, thanks and good bye
21:19:41  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> and as for the rest of you....don't break anything :)
21:20:01  <PublicServer> <Thraxian|Work> I'll be watching 8^|
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21:20:24  <A3aan> !help
21:20:24  <PublicServer> A3aan: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/IRC_Commands
21:21:08  <A3aan> !players
21:21:10  <PublicServer> A3aan: Client 434 (Orange) is Hylke, in company 1 (Rocky Mountain Transport)
21:21:10  <PublicServer> A3aan: Client 432 (Orange) is jondisti, in company 1 (Rocky Mountain Transport)
21:21:10  <PublicServer> A3aan: Client 445 is A3aan, a spectator
21:21:10  <PublicServer> A3aan: Client 451 (Orange) is jdread, in company 1 (Rocky Mountain Transport)
21:21:10  <PublicServer> A3aan: Client 430 (Orange) is legolegs, in company 1 (Rocky Mountain Transport)
21:21:11  <PublicServer> A3aan: Client 447 is Wilcoo, a spectator
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21:21:57  <PublicServer> <Hylke> anyone around with some experiance?
21:22:07  <PublicServer> <jdread> in what field?
21:22:13  <PublicServer> <Hylke> train orders
21:22:26  <PublicServer> <jondisti> try me
21:22:53  <PublicServer> <Hylke> spoke 14
21:23:03  <A3aan> why is the IRC chat linked to ingame chat?
21:23:17  <PublicServer> <Hylke> i've added an extra coal drop to the spoke
21:23:39  <PublicServer> <Hylke> how can i order the tranferring trains correctly
21:24:15  <PublicServer> <jdread> transferring what from where to where
21:24:37  <PublicServer> <jondisti> you want the existing trains to use your drop you just created?
21:24:44  <PublicServer> <Hylke> yes
21:25:43  <PublicServer> <Hylke> now only the jump to order
21:25:51  <PublicServer> <Hylke> how to make that
21:26:00  <PublicServer> <Hylke> the rest i already know
21:26:15  <PublicServer> <jondisti> you get the list when you click the arrow next to "go to"
21:26:30  <PublicServer> <jondisti> conditional order jump
21:27:14  <PublicServer> <jondisti> you get it?
21:27:26  <PublicServer> <Hylke> nope :0
21:28:05  <PublicServer> <jondisti> in the train order list...
21:28:13  <PublicServer> <jondisti> you have a button to make a "go to" order
21:28:44  <PublicServer> <jondisti> under that same button is "conditional order jump"
21:28:57  <tussengas> !password
21:28:57  <PublicServer> tussengas: tempos
21:29:03  <PublicServer> <Hylke> ah
21:29:07  <PublicServer> <Hylke> now i see itg
21:29:10  <PublicServer> <Hylke> *it
21:29:17  <PublicServer> <Hylke> thnx :)
21:29:27  <PublicServer> <jondisti> don't know fancy names for those :P
21:29:34  <PublicServer> <jondisti> "arrow" and "list" :P
21:29:42  <tussengas> http://openttdcoop.org/2009/07/19/self-regulating-orders-sro/
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21:31:44  <PublicServer> <tussengas> did you manage to fix the order?
21:31:49  <PublicServer> <A3aan> question: how do you link stations like spoke 14??
21:31:51  <PublicServer> <jondisti> yep
21:32:12  <PublicServer> <tussengas> keep "control" pressed while creating a 'new' station
21:32:13  <PublicServer> <jondisti> press ctrl when building a station
21:32:16  <PublicServer> <tussengas> :p
21:32:20  <PublicServer> <jondisti> that's called "station walking"
21:32:32  <PublicServer> <A3aan> ok, is it in the wiki??
21:32:44  <PublicServer> <tussengas> everything is on wiki :p
21:32:44  <PublicServer> <jondisti> it's mentioned there
21:32:54  <PublicServer> <jondisti> doesn't have own page since it
21:32:59  <PublicServer> <jondisti> 's so simple :P
21:35:14  <PublicServer> <Hylke> whoops my mistake :)
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21:35:56  <A3aan> i didn't know about it :p
21:37:15  <tussengas> got to say...
21:37:19  <tussengas> it's hard to find
21:37:23  <tussengas> but there is a note:
21:37:23  <tussengas> ote: Please use distant-join Stations, How press CTRL while Building.
21:37:42  <PublicServer> <A3aan> i found it :)
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21:40:50  <PublicServer> <tussengas> wouldnt release more trains in spoke 14 with the current available tracks
21:41:41  <PublicServer> <jdread> someone feel like cooking up a station for spoke 8? laying some tracks as we speak
21:42:02  <PublicServer> <A3aan> trains are queing up quite a bit at spoke 14 imp
21:42:10  <PublicServer> <Hylke> yes
21:42:17  <PublicServer> <Hylke> trying to fix that
21:42:55  <PublicServer> <A3aan> good luck... my signaling skills aren't that great lol
21:43:04  <PublicServer> <jondisti> made intentional signal gaps there
21:43:28  <PublicServer> <tussengas> why so many TF when you don't need it?:
21:43:49  <PublicServer> <A3aan> what is TF?
21:43:57  <PublicServer> <jondisti> terraforming
21:43:58  <PublicServer> <tussengas> terraforming, lowering and raising the ground
21:44:08  <PublicServer> <A3aan> ah ok
21:44:17  <PublicServer> <jondisti> what dou you mean exactly, tussengas?
21:45:03  <PublicServer> <tussengas> well, i see a lot of hils being 'moved' to make the track straight without heightdifferences
21:45:57  <PublicServer> <tussengas> in my opinion, tf is only needed for turns and stations
21:46:01  <PublicServer> <tussengas> and ML
21:46:30  <PublicServer> <tussengas> who putted the signs at  SPOKE 08 INCOMMING
21:46:40  <PublicServer> <jdread> dude, it was I
21:47:00  <PublicServer> <Hylke> now dont touch Spoke 14 Import anymore, its fixed
21:47:35  <PublicServer> <jondisti> oh... you were talking about spoke 8
21:47:35  <PublicServer> <tussengas> after an path-choising sign, its not needed to use normal signs straight after the split... cause then they don't chose the empty road
21:47:39  <PublicServer> <jondisti> with TF?
21:47:48  <PublicServer> <tussengas> well, about the ML station
21:48:06  <PublicServer> <tussengas> some trains got hold up because of wrong signs
21:48:45  <PublicServer> <jondisti> who's building spoke 8?
21:48:50  <PublicServer> <tussengas> not me
21:49:03  <PublicServer> <jdread> jondisti, it is me
21:49:04  <PublicServer> <Hylke> not me
21:49:12  <PublicServer> <jondisti> way too much TF
21:49:18  <PublicServer> <tussengas> thats what i said
21:49:23  <PublicServer> <jondisti> that's horrible
21:49:47  <PublicServer> <tussengas> only tf if needed
21:49:47  <PublicServer> <jondisti> i thought you were talking about spoke 14 before :)
21:49:50  <PublicServer> <jdread> ok. should i restore it the way it was?
21:49:52  <PublicServer> <tussengas> sorry nope
21:50:45  <PublicServer> <A3aan> spoke 14 import bugged again??
21:50:45  <PublicServer> <tussengas> well, i doubt if it will ever restore to the way it was... but be carefull when you are using TF... trains can go up and down on lesser important lines
21:51:02  <PublicServer> <jdread> understood. my bad
21:51:16  <PublicServer> <tussengas> nop, just full and a few trains to much perhaps
21:51:17  <PublicServer> <Hylke> the problem with spoke 14 is
21:51:28  <PublicServer> <Hylke> that the coal flow isn't steady
21:51:40  <PublicServer> <Hylke> it comes in large chunks
21:51:48  <Razaekel> need more coal mines
21:51:48  <PublicServer> <A3aan> ah yes, i see
21:51:52  <Razaekel> then it'll stabilize
21:51:56  <PublicServer> <tussengas> true, but at an transfer station, it isnt that bad if it stays a little longer ?
21:52:04  <Razaekel> so basically, finish all the other spokes
21:52:05  <PublicServer> <Hylke> sometimes there is 6k waiting, sometimes there is noting to transfer
21:52:27  <PublicServer> <tussengas> i would say...
21:52:31  <PublicServer> <tussengas> delete 5 -10 trains
21:52:34  <PublicServer> <jondisti> everything will be better balanced when every spoke has something to export
21:52:41  <PublicServer> <Hylke> look
21:52:48  <PublicServer> <Hylke> now there is 2,5k waiting
21:52:57  <PublicServer> <tussengas> so?
21:53:04  <Razaekel> and there's only 3 station tracks, so it takes time for the trains to unload it
21:53:08  <Razaekel> quit bitching and moaning
21:53:10  <Razaekel> >.<
21:53:14  <PublicServer> <tussengas> there are trains stuck because the waiting trains holdup the full trains :p
21:53:27  <PublicServer> <legolegs> 2.5k waiting ins ok i think
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21:55:42  <PublicServer> <jondisti> you can use terraforming for making curves long enough, though :)
21:56:11  <PublicServer> <jdread> hey. if they can go up and down, they can go left and right.
21:56:33  <PublicServer> <A3aan> trains are not dropping at CD2(spoke14) so they leave full again
21:57:57  <PublicServer> <tussengas> i remove some trains for now, when there is better overall-balance, we can add them again
21:57:58  <Webster> Latest update from openttd: Future of the Mac OS X port <http://www.openttd.org/en/news/103>
21:58:19  <PublicServer> <Hylke> fine
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21:58:28  <PublicServer> <Hylke> Good luck
21:58:40  <PublicServer> <Hylke> I 'm off to bed now
21:58:43  <PublicServer> <tussengas> sleep well
21:58:44  <PublicServer> <Hylke> BB Cya
21:58:57  <PublicServer> <jdread> cya
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21:59:51  <PublicServer> <A3aan> can you use these newGRF's also offline or just here??
22:00:06  <PublicServer> <tussengas> you can
22:00:36  <PublicServer> <A3aan> ok, nice :)
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22:04:48  <PublicServer> <jdread> im off to bed. sorry for flattening the earth
22:04:58  <PublicServer> <tussengas> :)
22:05:07  <PublicServer> <A3aan> good night
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22:08:35  <PublicServer> <A3aan> i'm going to practise a bit offline :)
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22:08:43  <PublicServer> <A3aan> cya all
22:08:47  <PublicServer> <tussengas> cya
22:08:48  <PublicServer> <legolegs> bb
22:08:54  <mib_affz35> !players
22:08:56  <PublicServer> mib_affz35: Client 445 is A3aan, a spectator
22:08:56  <PublicServer> mib_affz35: Client 453 (Orange) is tussengas, in company 1 (Rocky Mountain Transport)
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22:20:20  <PublicServer> <legolegs> i'm going to sleep
22:20:45  <PublicServer> <tussengas> added an buildersboard
22:20:56  <PublicServer> <legolegs> good night, tussengas
22:21:00  <PublicServer> <tussengas> night
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