Log for #openttdcoop on 20th February 2010:
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00:11:03  <gr00vy> !password
00:11:03  <PublicServer> gr00vy: faints
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00:22:25  <Pirate87> !screen
00:22:25  <PublicServer> *** Pirate87 liked to make screenshot of last action, but nobody was working since. (
00:23:42  <PeterT> how is PublicServer able to automatically upload the screenshots to
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00:27:12  <PeterT> Ammler, KenjiE20, planetmaker: ^^
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00:29:41  <Ammler> PeterT: same server
00:29:50  <PeterT> Hmm
00:30:01  <PeterT> How did you make the Ip
00:30:04  <Ammler> ps. should tell you
00:30:25  <Ammler> dns?
00:30:28  <PeterT> ps == public server, right
00:30:37  <Ammler> yes
00:30:42  <Ammler> well
00:30:52  <Ammler> I guess, public. would work too
00:31:03  <Ammler> or pz, dunno
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00:31:58  <PeterT> So, if I were to want to enable the !screen patch, on my server at #jonty, I would need to change it's IP?
00:32:18  <PeterT> to something like
00:33:15  <Ammler> are you speaking about the "I_run_everything_as_root" server?
00:33:44  <PeterT> yeah?
00:34:08  <Ammler> easiest is to use virtual host for
00:34:54  <PeterT> for
00:34:55  <PeterT> ?
00:35:01  <mrcool> !password
00:35:02  <PublicServer> mrcool: bleeds
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00:37:44  <Ammler> we have for our public server also a web doc
00:38:13  <Ammler> also the saves are available that way
00:39:54  <PeterT> I don't understand
00:40:04  <PeterT> So you changed the IP of the server to
00:40:22  <PeterT> then you made it so that the saves and screens are available online?
00:41:19  <Ammler> we the dns to the ip of the ps and our lovely sponsor made us a vitual domain there :-)
00:41:27  <Ammler> set
00:42:20  <PeterT> Ok
00:42:41  <OwenS> "I run everything as root" server? Scary
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00:43:14  <Ammler> OwenS: because Linux is so complicated :-D
00:43:16  <PeterT> first of all, what is "running as root"
00:43:22  <PeterT> and why is that bad?
00:44:24  <OwenS> PeterT: Running something under the root account, (Or the account with uid 1, sicne come people like renaming them). And it's bad because root can pwn anything :P
00:44:47  <PeterT> don't you want it to pwn anything?
00:45:14  <Ammler> for example, if openttd has a security in bug and it runs as root, you can use that to make bad things.
00:45:19  <OwenS> I don't want a bug in, say, OpenTTD to allow people to download my customer database, no
00:46:21  <PeterT> That would be bad
00:46:32  <KenjiE20> pfft, a simple op could just kill the server :P
00:46:40  <Ammler> if you give someone access to openttd, it is like you give him root to your server
00:46:51  <KenjiE20> :D
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00:47:00  <Ammler> well, luckily openttd has no such bad things :-P
00:47:36  <Ammler> but autopilot might have
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00:47:53  <PeterT> Hmm
00:48:14  <PeterT> Ok, well, I've told Jolteon (the owner of the server) what you said, I'll wait for him to respond
00:48:44  <Ammler> well, we told him already yesterday?
00:49:02  <PeterT> did we?
00:49:07  <PeterT> Sorry, wasn't being clear
00:49:17  <PeterT> I told him about changing DNS
00:49:23  <PeterT> you are in #tycoon, you can see it
00:49:33  <Ammler> hmm, dns?
00:50:57  <PeterT> Setting the DNS of the ip
00:51:00  <PeterT> Like you had said
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01:22:24  <PeterT> Ammler: where are the autosaves for the server available?
01:22:49  <Ammler>
01:22:59  <PeterT> The requested URL /save was not found on this server.
01:23:08  <Ammler> public
01:23:12  <Ammler>
01:23:16  <PeterT> thanks
01:23:23  <Ammler> prozone is the other
01:24:05  <PeterT> do you have the DoCommand log patch?
01:24:40  <Ammler> I already told you, I won't give you out, as that is SmatZ business...
01:24:54  <PeterT> Ok
01:25:02  <PeterT> SmatZ: Do you have the DoCommand logs patch?
01:25:15  <Ammler> but I do remember, he once pasted the link to you....
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01:25:50  <PeterT> Yes, it's not here, if this is what you're thinking of
01:26:04  <Ammler> then, he didn't
01:26:19  <Ammler> I thought, I saw the "other" link too
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01:27:43  <Matte> !download win32
01:27:44  <PublicServer> Matte:
01:28:36  <Matte> !password
01:28:36  <PublicServer> Matte: staffs
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07:03:48  <Benny_> !players
07:03:50  <PublicServer> Benny_: Client 79 is roboboy, a spectator
07:04:01  <Benny_> !dl win32
07:04:01  <PublicServer> Benny_:
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07:57:13  <Benny_> !password
07:57:14  <PublicServer> Benny_: bleary
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07:57:25  <Webster> Player, please change your in game nick
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07:58:20  <PublicServer> <Benny> sure
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08:05:55  <mitooo> !password
08:05:55  <PublicServer> mitooo: bleary
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08:39:50  <Benny> !players
08:39:52  <PublicServer> Benny: Client 181 (Orange) is Mitooo, in company 1 (Sonhill Transport)
08:39:52  <PublicServer> Benny: Client 79 is roboboy, a spectator
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08:39:59  <Benny> !password
08:39:59  <PublicServer> Benny: rifled
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09:35:12  <V453000_> !password
09:35:12  <PublicServer> V453000_: polled
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09:35:50  <PublicServer> <V453000> no new plans :|
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09:45:01  <Pirate87> !screem
09:45:05  <Pirate87> !screen
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09:45:38  <PublicServer> <NasA> hi  it didnt start voting yet?
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09:57:18  <PublicServer> V453000_: spaded
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10:02:03  <PublicServer> <V453000> lol why do we have Sonhill airport further away than the sign "Sonhill Airport" :D it should be on the other side normally :)
10:02:51  <^Spike^> it makes money right? :)
10:03:23  <V453000_> yeah
10:03:26  <V453000_> doesnt matter
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11:08:05  <mitooo> !password
11:08:05  <PublicServer> mitooo: sunset
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12:26:52  <Pirate87> still not voting ?
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12:27:22  <Paul2> !playercount
12:27:22  <PublicServer> Paul2: Number of players: 1
12:27:37  <mrcool> !info
12:27:37  <PublicServer> mrcool: #:1(Orange) Company Name: 'Sonhill Transport'  Year Founded: 1950  Money: 72908881  Loan: 0  Value: 73120459  (T:0, R:0, P:3, S:0) unprotected
12:28:07  <Pirate87> @roulette
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12:38:18  <PeterT> @dict head
12:38:20  <Webster> PeterT: wn: head n 1: the upper part of the human body or the front part of the body in animals; contains the face and brains; "he stuck his head out the window" [syn: {caput}] 2: a single domestic animal; "200 head of cattle" 3: that which is responsible for one's thoughts and feelings; the seat of the faculty of reason; "his mind wandered"; "I couldn't get his words out of my head" (11 more messages)
12:38:37  <PeterT> @dict heed
12:38:38  <Webster> PeterT: wn: heed n : paying particular notice (as to children or helpless people); "his attentiveness to her wishes"; "he spends without heed to the consequences" [syn: {attentiveness}, {regard}, {paying attention}] [ant: {inattentiveness}] v : pay close attention to; give heed to; "Heed the advice of the old men" [syn: {mind}, {listen}]
12:49:09  <mrcool> !dl win64
12:49:09  <PublicServer> mrcool:
12:49:25  <mrcool> !password
12:49:25  <PublicServer> mrcool: bawled
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12:51:01  <PeterT> !revision
12:51:01  <PublicServer> PeterT: Game version is r19163
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12:56:56  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 000032AE:
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13:14:18  <Pirate87> !help
13:14:19  <PublicServer> Pirate87:
13:14:51  <[com]buster> A pirate that says "help" ?
13:14:57  <[com]buster> I thought thay said "arrrr"
13:15:01  <[com]buster> :)
13:15:23  <roboboy> hello
13:19:00  <Pirate87> drop the 'arrr' guys
13:21:01  <Pirate87> it's really annoying
13:23:24  <[com]buster> It's your nick :(
13:24:13  <Pirate87> i know, but I really don't like the whole 'arrr' thing
13:25:13  <Pirate87> don't know where it came from, but it always annoyed me
13:26:48  <[com]buster> Man, that's a hole in your education O.o
13:27:10  <Pirate87> anyway, any idea when the voting might start ?
13:28:00  <Pirate87> [com]buster, what ??
13:28:05  <[com]buster> It probably should by now...
13:28:31  <[com]buster> I'm compiling a build right now
13:29:03  <Pirate87> how long does it usually take ?
13:29:36  <[com]buster> I think this game has been running for 36 hours without voting, which is *long*
13:29:53  <mrcool> i'm ready to vote : )
13:30:29  <Pirate87> i meant voting itself
13:30:42  <[com]buster> usually around 24 hours
13:30:50  <[com]buster> depends on how things go
13:31:11  <Pirate87> i'm out then, see you in a couple hours
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13:32:02  <[com]buster> !password
13:32:02  <PublicServer> [com]buster: vatted
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13:32:09  <mrcool> okey, I just ask because I'm knew here. Why have not the voting startet yet?
13:32:45  <PublicServer> <Combuster> It might as well start now
13:33:08  <mrcool> okey : )
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13:35:56  <[com]buster> mrcool: go ahead :)
13:37:08  <PublicServer> <roboboy> I wont be voting
13:37:22  <PublicServer> <roboboy> ill end up being biased
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13:40:30  <PublicServer> <Combuster> lol, 3-way tie
13:40:35  <mrcool> haha ;D
13:40:49  <mrcool> how long does the voting usually takes?
13:41:18  <PublicServer> <Combuster> normally, until next evening (CET)
13:41:32  <PublicServer> <mrcool> okey
13:41:35  <PublicServer> <Combuster> because that's when there are most people around
13:41:45  <PublicServer> <Combuster> (and as such, most votes)
13:41:52  <PublicServer> <mrcool> yes
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13:43:08  <OwenS> !dl lin64
13:43:09  <PublicServer> OwenS:
13:44:01  <OwenS> !password
13:44:01  <PublicServer> OwenS: smarts
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13:45:25  <PublicServer> <Owen> Combuster: Isn't "TGV-NG" normally called ICE-SBahn? :P
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13:45:32  <PublicServer> <Combuster> no, it isn't
13:45:49  <PublicServer> <Owen> Oh, local networks for food+water,  I see
13:45:50  <^Spike^> see wiki? ;)
13:46:13  <[com]buster>
13:46:15  <[com]buster> iirc<
13:46:42  <^Spike^> @wiki tgv-ng
13:46:50  <Webster> Search results for "tgv-ng" - #openttdcoop Wiki -
13:47:10  <[com]buster>
13:47:14  <^Spike^>
13:47:16  <[com]buster> almost correct :)
13:47:16  <^Spike^> odd
13:47:17  <^Spike^> idd :)
13:48:05  <PeterT> are we voting?
13:48:09  <PublicServer> <Owen> We are
13:48:09  <[com]buster> we are, yes
13:48:17  <^Spike^> @stage Voting
13:48:17  *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG #177 (r19163) | STAGE: Voting | | New players, use @quickstart & !help | Screenshots: | Coopetition ladder: | Welcome to the depths of insanity"
13:48:20  <PublicServer> <Owen> This points based voting makes thingsmore difficult :P
13:48:45  <PublicServer> <roboboy> yeah
13:48:52  <PublicServer> <Combuster> the results are rather biased atm
13:49:02  <PublicServer> <Combuster> the only voters so far are also plan-makers
13:49:09  <PublicServer> <roboboy> my vote is obviously biased
13:49:20  <PublicServer> <Combuster> roboboy's plan:
13:49:26  <PublicServer> <Combuster> worst+worst+best
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13:49:32  <PublicServer> <Combuster> how interesting :)
13:49:43  <PublicServer> <mrcool> :p
13:50:03  <PublicServer> <Combuster> but at least one person  likes your plan :)
13:50:25  <PublicServer> <Peter> we have to fill all ten slots? holy shit
13:50:46  <PublicServer> <Combuster> Peter: we can always make room for more :)
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13:50:57  <PublicServer> <roboboy> well i got a 4
13:51:56  <PublicServer> * Owen waits for Peter to vote fully before recalculating totals
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13:53:20  <PublicServer> <Combuster> Peter: you do need to place all 5 numbers
13:53:33  <PublicServer> <Peter> not done yet ;-)
13:53:41  <PublicServer> <roboboy> thinking?
13:53:44  <PublicServer> <Combuster> ok, then I said nothing :)<
13:54:35  <PublicServer> <Owen> Things would be easier if it was legal to use non-integer numbers :p
13:54:49  <PublicServer> <roboboy> hm nah
13:54:50  <PublicServer> <Combuster> 0, 1, i , e, pi? :)
13:54:58  <PublicServer> <Owen> 5, 2.5, 2.5, 2.5, 2.5 :P
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13:55:22  <PublicServer> <Owen> I don't even want to comtemplate how i would work as a vote :p
13:55:25  <PublicServer> <Combuster> thanks, Owen :)
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13:56:23  <PublicServer> <Owen> My favorite game types are pax, and cargo involving insane rebuilds... I'm not so sure any of the cargos would involve insane rebuilds, so... :P
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13:57:20  <PublicServer> <Combuster> hmm, we should probably extend the voting board a bit
14:00:08  <V453000> !password
14:00:08  <PublicServer> V453000: plying
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14:01:16  <OwenS> Incidentally, since there are still no 2009 games in the hall of fame, I nominate #152 :p
14:01:16  <PublicServer> <Peter> roboboy: You should vote
14:01:47  <PublicServer> <Combuster> Peter: he did vote
14:01:48  <PublicServer> <roboboy> Peter: I did
14:01:49  <PublicServer> <Combuster> long before you
14:01:55  <PublicServer> <Peter> Oh, oops
14:02:02  <PublicServer> <Peter> Didn't look through them previous votes
14:02:10  <PeterT> @psgsave 152
14:02:10  <Webster> PSG 152 Archive entry;
14:02:36  <PeterT> I loved 152, I also vote for that
14:03:00  <^Spike^> 152.. that one with that experimental exit?
14:03:12  <OwenS> Yes. And 1000 rebuilds :p
14:03:20  <^Spike^> my way rebuilds! :FD
14:03:21  <^Spike^> :D
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14:05:19  <V453000> waaa
14:05:21  <V453000> !password
14:05:21  <PublicServer> V453000: plying
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14:05:49  <[com]buster> OwenS: I nominated #157
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14:06:47  <[com]buster> you can probably guess why, once you see it :)
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14:07:22  <^Spike^> oeh.. both are nice..
14:07:24  <V453000> 157 is it for me
14:07:40  <OwenS> Can we not have multiple HoF games per year? :P
14:08:13  <PublicServer> <Combuster> Sure we can
14:08:45  <PublicServer> <Combuster> Even we managed to have three installments of goverment in a year's time
14:09:24  <PublicServer> <Combuster> hall of fame should be exceptional games, and some years are more productive than others
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14:10:21  <OwenS> 152 qualifies for having every train ramming through one station :p
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14:11:51  <[com]buster> so did 176...
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14:12:08  <[com]buster> but admitted, eyecandy is good
14:12:12  <^Spike^> but 152 did it with every resource.. :)
14:12:18  <^Spike^> not just wood :)
14:12:55  <[com]buster> it is only a third of the cargo
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14:14:16  <[com]buster> and not nearly as crammed
14:14:20  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> who did the math on the voting board?
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14:14:52  <[com]buster> Part of it?
14:15:00  <OwenS> [com]buster: Huh? Wasn't #176 100k cargo?
14:15:12  <[com]buster> it was
14:15:20  <OwenS> 152 has 120k transported
14:15:28  <[com]buster> that means 1.2M cargo/year
14:15:38  <[com]buster> not 450k cargo/year
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14:19:11  <OwenS> In any case, 176 doesn't qualify as a HoF game for 2009 :p
14:19:35  <[com]buster> Not my point :p
14:20:24  <[com]buster> TBH: 152 is a good game, but not necessarily exceptional
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14:20:48  <jondisti> !password
14:20:48  <PublicServer> jondisti: hearth
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14:23:36  <PublicServer> <Combuster> doublechecked your math, and fixed the results
14:23:45  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> thanks
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14:24:03  <PublicServer> <Combuster> I doubt we'll find out who's the discalculi here
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14:24:14  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> we can - with a look at the logs :)
14:24:25  <PublicServer> <Combuster> and even then
14:24:36  <PublicServer> <Combuster> some updates were made during another voting
14:24:53  <PublicServer> <Combuster> so it might have just as well been a race condition
14:25:00  <PublicServer> <Combuster> I wouldn't bother
14:25:14  <PublicServer> <Combuster> just double check before declaring a winner :)
14:25:35  <PublicServer> <jond1sti> i just added a vote
14:26:11  <PublicServer> <Owen> And I ammended the totals (On the assumption the existing ones were now correct :P )
14:26:40  <PublicServer> <Combuster> conclusion is still the same
14:26:55  <PublicServer> <Combuster> neck-to-nect between Thraxian, CB and yours truly...
14:26:56  <PublicServer> <jond1sti> ?
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14:27:19  <PublicServer> <Owen> one person's vote can change the leader
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14:27:52  <PublicServer> <jond1sti> i'll actually change my top 2 votes
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14:29:58  <PublicServer> * roboboy has lots of 1s ):
14:30:34  <V453000> !screen
14:30:34  <V453000> !screen
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14:30:34  <PublicServer> *** V453000 liked to make screenshot of last action, but nobody was working since. (
14:30:58  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> I'm doing math in another window
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14:33:28  <^Spike^> !password
14:33:28  <PublicServer> ^Spike^: unpaid
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14:34:19  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> trying to determine if changing the number of votes each player gets makes a difference, but to no avail
14:39:06  <Progman> what about the average number of votes? maybe even geometrical mean
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14:42:44  <roboboy> gnight
14:42:57  <PublicServer> <jond1sti> night? :P
14:43:36  <roboboy> its 1:45 AM here
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14:44:19  <PublicServer> <jond1sti> where's that?
14:44:27  <roboboy> Sydney
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14:45:18  <PublicServer> <jond1sti> cool
14:45:23  <PublicServer> <jond1sti> good night then :P
14:46:29  <PeterT> see you in 7 hours
14:46:37  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> if we go by average, Booth wins, Combuster 2nd, Thraxian 3rd
14:47:35  * OwenS wonders what happens by cascading vote
14:47:52  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> If we drop vote count to 3, Booth and Combuster are tied, with Thraxian 3 behind
14:48:42  <OwenS> (Cascading vote = You add up the 5s for each contestant. Contestant with least 5s is discarded, and the people who picked them's 4s are counted. Repeat until you have the winner)
14:49:17  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> wait a sec - my input numbers were wrong
14:49:34  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> averages are still Thraxian, Combuster, Booth
14:50:13  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> top 4 votes is same, top 3 votes has Thraxian and Combuster tied
14:50:49  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> working now on eliminating the bottom two plans and recomputing totals
14:51:50  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> dropping the last two plans, and recalculating puts Booth first, Combuster 2nd, and Thraxian 3rd
14:52:42  * OwenS does a cascade
14:52:46  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> doh - still doing math wrong
14:56:32  <OwenS> Hmm
14:56:44  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> I think we just need more votes :)
14:56:49  <OwenS> Cascade fail: After doing  one elimination (Which removes mrcool & roboboy) I get a 3 way tie :p
14:57:09  <^Spike^> :)
14:57:10  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> really?  I get Thraxian: 19, Combuster: 18, Booth: 17
14:57:34  <Progman> or simply use the one with the most votes ;)
14:57:36  <OwenS> Thraxian: I'm doing cascading votes. I.E, eliminate the bottom contender, then redistribute their votes
14:57:44  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> yeah - I did that too
14:57:56  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> ( I think)
14:58:28  <OwenS> Both mrcool & roboboy get 1 5, so get discarded. Each of the people who voted for them's 4s are now counted, adding a vote each for CB & Combuster, bringing all 3 up to 3 votes for :p
14:58:53  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> I didn't do that, then :)
14:59:15  * OwenS experiments where the votes are weighted
15:00:01  <OwenS> then thraxian wins by a point :p
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15:03:23  <ostannard> !password
15:03:23  <PublicServer> ostannard: waiter
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15:10:23  <PeterT> Hello  dutchlisa
15:10:26  <PeterT> again :-)
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15:10:44  <dutchlisa> Hi Peter! ^^
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15:14:06  <dutchlisa> Peter! ^^
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15:18:58  <V453000> !password
15:18:58  <PublicServer> V453000: minced
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15:19:57  <PublicServer> <V453000> wow even
15:21:23  <PublicServer> <V453000> is it allowed to change my vote?
15:22:59  <PublicServer> <Owen> V453000: If you're going to do it, change the totals at the same tiem
15:23:03  <jondisti> i did earlier :P
15:23:07  <PublicServer> <V453000> right
15:23:08  <PublicServer> <V453000> thx
15:23:25  <PublicServer> <V453000> Thraxian wins! :D
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15:24:21  <PublicServer> * Owen spys a tie :p
15:26:22  <V453000> !screen
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15:40:41  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> Combuster, you around?
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15:46:29  <Chris_Booth> !password
15:46:29  <PublicServer> Chris_Booth: barber
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15:46:45  <Progman> so Thraxians plan won?
15:46:59  <PeterT> !screen
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15:47:49  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> i dont think so
15:47:52  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> its a draw ATM
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15:48:50  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> Amm1er: you going to vote?
15:49:10  <PublicServer> <Amm1er> don't think so...
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15:49:28  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> realy? why not, we need another vote to stop the draw
15:50:04  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> I was wondering if my plan would work in tandem with Combusters?
15:50:13  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> mine for cargo, ihs for pax
15:50:39  <PublicServer> <Spike> so 2 long trains networks?
15:50:47  <PublicServer> <Spike> risk is.. more focus on one
15:50:48  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> I don't have an outer ring, so we're not fighting each other for real estate out there
15:50:49  <PublicServer> <Spike> then the other
15:50:51  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> Thraxian: i dont know if it would, game where we have transported pax and cargo havent been that great
15:51:00  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> my point exactly
15:51:01  <jondisti> space could be a problem..
15:51:30  <PublicServer> <jond1sti> Thraxian hasn't voted
15:52:34  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> i am amazed the my plan is only 2 points off Thraxians, and Combusters plans
15:52:59  <PublicServer> <Amm1er> no trainset?
15:53:16  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> by the looks of it no
15:53:43  <PublicServer> <Amm1er> Thraxian: quite a lot signs to read ;-)
15:53:52  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> heh - you know me :)
15:54:06  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> give you votes based on sign numbers
15:55:03  <PublicServer> <Amm1er> big TL game?
15:55:08  <PublicServer> <Amm1er> why is that?
15:55:19  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> says on the message board
15:55:51  <PublicServer> <Amm1er> popular demand, lol
15:55:58  <V453000> sox-
15:56:03  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> are V453000 and jondisti the same person? or is jondisti copying V?
15:56:13  <V453000> CB: ?
15:56:16  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> i didnt demand it, not sure who did
15:56:17  <V453000> the points?
15:56:44  <PublicServer> <Amm1er> doesn't matter, it is decided, I just wonder about the reason.
15:56:45  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> yeah, jondisti gave same score as you lol
15:56:51  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> 1 person after you
15:57:04  <V453000> Ammler: probably none :| someone just wanted
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15:57:18  <PublicServer> <Amm1er> V, I guess, so :-)
15:59:54  <PublicServer> <Peter> where is the .void station?
16:00:01  <PublicServer> <Peter> wait, let me load station grf gui
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16:00:27  <PublicServer> <jond1sti> §
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16:01:29  <PublicServer> <jond1sti> Chris Booth: i'm not copying anyone, that's just my opinion :P
16:01:45  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> i was only messing
16:01:48  <PublicServer> <jond1sti> :D
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16:09:54  <zerpa> !password
16:09:54  <PublicServer> zerpa: tanner
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16:10:20  <Webster> Player, please change your in game nick
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16:12:59  <ziza> !password
16:12:59  <PublicServer> ziza: tattle
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16:21:34  <PeterT> !playercount
16:21:35  <PublicServer> PeterT: Number of players: 8
16:22:27  <Progman> !players
16:22:28  <PublicServer> Progman: Client 196 (Orange) is mrcool, in company 1 (Sonhill Transport)
16:22:28  <PublicServer> Progman: Client 79 is roboboy, a spectator
16:22:28  <PublicServer> Progman: Client 198 is Thraxian, a spectator
16:22:28  <PublicServer> Progman: Client 216 (Orange) is Combuster, in company 1 (Sonhill Transport)
16:22:28  <PublicServer> Progman: Client 218 (Orange) is Owen, in company 1 (Sonhill Transport)
16:22:30  <PublicServer> Progman: Client 225 is Intexon, a spectator
16:22:30  <PublicServer> Progman: Client 240 is Player, a spectator
16:22:32  <PublicServer> Progman: Client 230 (Orange) is Amm1er, in company 1 (Sonhill Transport)
16:23:32  <PeterT> /msg PublicServer !players
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16:28:10  <Ammler> PeterT: stop moderating members :-P
16:31:53  <PublicServer> <Owen> w00t £100mil
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16:33:15  <callcolor> !dl win32
16:33:15  <PublicServer> callcolor:
16:37:17  <PublicServer> * Owen wishes the vote would finish sooner, lol
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16:39:21  <Progman> the votes should be hold on a website so during the game N the vote for game N+1 could be take place ;)
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16:39:51  <Progman> and after game N you immediately start with game N+1 and vote for plans for game N+2
16:40:02  <OwenS> Progman: How would the plans be designed?
16:40:28  <Progman> savegames
16:41:26  <Progman> like 1-2 days for map settings, than a savegame is generated, users dl and check the games, create a screenshot of their plans, uploads them for vote
16:41:50  <Progman> whole process will take ~5 days, parallel to the current running game
16:43:46  <Progman> and if the current game is finished you can start directly with the next one ;)
16:45:53  <gleeb> While I like that it would preserve plans, I hate that it's so terribly different.
16:47:05  <Progman> it would allow some forum-like discussions about the plans
16:48:57  <V453000> Progman: cool idea
16:49:02  <KenjiE20> sounds terribly long-winded and confusing
16:49:24  <callcolor> !password
16:49:24  <PublicServer> callcolor: retina
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16:50:24  <PublicServer> <Combuster> Also, planners will not know if they around at the start of next game...
16:50:41  <Pirate87> !password
16:50:42  <PublicServer> Pirate87: retina
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16:51:40  <PeterT> @dict raving
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16:51:41  <Webster> PeterT: wn: raving adj : talking or behaving irrationally; "a raving lunatic" [syn: {raving mad}, {wild}] n : declaiming wildly; "the raving of maniacs" adv : in a raving manner; "raving mad" [syn: {ravingly}]
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16:52:30  <PublicServer> <callcolor> its my first time here.  i'll try not to mess anything up.
16:52:42  <KenjiE20> @quickstart
16:52:44  <Webster> Quickstart - #openttdcoop Wiki -
16:52:46  <KenjiE20> ^ callcolor
16:52:54  <KenjiE20> try the link at the end
16:52:54  <PublicServer> <callcolor> already there
16:53:07  <OwenS> Does Webster not have an @tell to join AP's !tell?
16:53:16  <KenjiE20> yes
16:53:18  <Phazorx> Progman: actually that has been suggested before, unfortunately no one liked my proposal
16:53:27  <PeterT> @tell PeterT testing
16:53:30  <KenjiE20> but Webster config means it's on /query only
16:53:51  <PublicServer> <Owen> 12 Votes: Thrax/44 CB/43 Comb/46 Mrc/26 Robo/21
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16:57:47  <PeterT> Hmm, interesting shot
16:57:53  <gleeb> nice screen
16:57:58  <[com]buster> lol
16:58:21  <[com]buster> not even cactii...
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17:02:55  <callcolor> so far this is great fun :)
17:03:07  <PublicServer> <Owen> Voting is the most boring part :P
17:03:10  <PublicServer> <Owen> By a large margin
17:03:16  <PublicServer> <Combuster> the vote's rather exciting today
17:03:34  <PublicServer> <callcolor> are we waiting for someone's vote?
17:03:54  <PublicServer> <Combuster> Some of the members will have to declare a winner
17:04:02  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> you really don't want me to vote....
17:04:17  <PublicServer> <Owen> Thraxian: No, I don't :-P
17:04:33  <PublicServer> <Combuster> Thrax: I can change my 5 into a 1 ;)
17:04:36  <V453000> Thraxian: if you vote for yourself, I want :D
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17:04:57  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> I tend not to vote for myself - it shows bias :)
17:05:09  <PublicServer> <Combuster> TBH, everybody else did
17:05:16  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> Combuster didn't
17:05:23  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> hehe :)
17:05:26  <PublicServer> <Spike> the 5 points shouldn't go to your own plan imo
17:05:34  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> that's what I meant, Spike
17:05:41  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> ok, I'll vote
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17:06:10  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> I won't give myself a 5 - but a 4 I'll do
17:06:19  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> my other favorite plan is .....
17:06:24  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> Booths :)
17:06:35  <PublicServer> <Spike> 5 should go to the plan you think is the best that ISN'T your own in my opinion.. :)
17:06:38  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> not really in a pax mood (sorry Combuster), so I'll do
17:07:04  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> vote cast :)
17:07:05  <PublicServer> <Owen> 48/48/48/29/22 lol
17:07:17  <V453000> ^lol
17:07:22  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> told you that yuo didn't want me to vote :)
17:07:54  <PublicServer> <Combuster> There's one thing in there that absolutely not correct
17:07:55  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> makes the decision ALL that much harder to make
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17:09:05  <PublicServer> <Owen> 48/47/48/29/23
17:09:12  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> who changed their vote?
17:09:15  <PublicServer> <Combuster> I did
17:09:24  <PublicServer> <Combuster> like I said, one thing is terribly wrong
17:09:34  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> elaborate?
17:10:07  <PublicServer> <Combuster> CB leading
17:10:09  <PublicServer> <Combuster> :)
17:10:24  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> what happens if we ignore the votes of the plan makers?
17:10:48  <PublicServer> <Combuster> good question
17:11:02  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> Combuster wins
17:11:07  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> 30/30/33/?/?
17:11:51  <PublicServer> <callcolor> i vote we mix things up this time and build the plan with the least votes
17:12:02  <PublicServer> <Combuster> you don't want that
17:12:06  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> yegosh, no :)
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17:12:19  <PublicServer> <Owen> Least votes tends to be for a reason ;-)
17:12:48  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> I'm not going to be around as much this weekend as I'd like, and I really like my plan this time, BUT I'm considering withdrawing it for the good of the community....
17:12:49  <PublicServer> <callcolor> ouch
17:12:57  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> how would that screw the votes up?
17:13:04  <PublicServer> <Combuster> er, revoting?
17:13:23  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> if we redistribute votes, ignoring votes for my plan - what's the score?
17:14:51  <PublicServer> <callcolor> maybe someone could set up a system to send an email when the voting is complete?
17:15:18  <OwenS> callcolor: Too much overhead
17:15:29  <KenjiE20> just lurk
17:15:36  <KenjiE20> it what evenyone else does :P
17:15:40  <KenjiE20> everyone*
17:15:40  <PublicServer> <callcolor> i can tell you guys don't like complex systems :)
17:15:49  <KenjiE20> also; twitter
17:15:52  <KenjiE20> if we remember
17:15:53  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> without me, votes are 40/42/27/21
17:15:53  <PublicServer> <Owen> callcolor: Outside the game we don't :p
17:16:08  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> Kenji, care to vote?
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17:16:14  <KenjiE20> not really
17:16:28  <KenjiE20> Last time I looked none of the plans caught my eye tbh
17:16:30  <PublicServer> <Combuster> Thrax, same results here
17:19:02  * [com]buster prods ODM and Ammler
17:19:17  <[com]buster> we need a tie breaker...
17:19:33  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> @coin
17:19:50  <OwenS> @coin
17:19:50  <Webster> OwenS: heads
17:20:00  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> who was heads?
17:20:04  <[com]buster> :)
17:20:05  <V453000> head one two or three? :D
17:20:07  <PeterT> PublicServer?
17:20:15  <PeterT> how many plans are there?
17:20:20  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> Heads, I win.  Tails, you lose.
17:20:38  <[com]buster> not a chance
17:20:46  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> not unless you're me :)
17:20:51  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> then, the chance is very good
17:21:01  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> ideal, I'd have to say
17:22:01  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> for the good of the game, I'm willing to make a sacrifice
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17:22:49  <V453000> :)
17:24:06  <[com]buster> I can't declare a winner for the obvious reason
17:24:36  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> somebody !screen for the out-of-gamers?
17:24:48  <OwenS> !screen
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17:25:04  <OwenS> Missed the middle :-(
17:26:31  <PublicServer> <Combuster> ?
17:27:19  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00006267:
17:27:45  <PeterT> how many plans are there?
17:27:50  <OwenS> 5
17:27:52  <PublicServer> <Combuster> 5
17:27:54  <PeterT> @dice 5d8
17:27:54  <Webster> PeterT: 5, 8, 6, 2, and 5
17:27:58  <PeterT> Ok
17:28:07  <PeterT> @dice 1d8
17:28:07  <Webster> PeterT: 2
17:28:12  <PeterT> Plan 2 wins
17:28:24  <PeterT> wait...
17:28:28  <PeterT> @dice 1d5
17:28:28  <Webster> PeterT: 4
17:28:32  <PeterT> @help dice
17:28:32  <Webster> PeterT: (dice <dice>d<sides>) -- Rolls a die with <sides> number of sides <dice> times. For example, 2d6 will roll 2 six-sided dice; 10d10 will roll 10 ten-sided dice.
17:28:36  * [com]buster slaps PeterT around a bit with a large trout
17:28:46  <PeterT> @do slap [com]buster
17:29:39  <[com]buster> luckily for you, this client doesn't support /slap
17:33:33  <[com]buster> well, let's get over with the pope elections
17:34:05  <PublicServer> <Owen> The scores currently stand at the grand totals of 45/47/51/29/23
17:39:31  <[com]buster> If I convert the table to classic voting, the result would be 4/3/6/0/0
17:39:50  <[com]buster> (assuming Thraxian's original vote)
17:40:16  <[com]buster> but as I said, I can't declare a winner
17:40:37  <jondisti> !screen
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17:41:55  <jondisti> !password
17:41:55  <PublicServer> jondisti: dabble
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17:43:14  <[com]buster> V453000, KenjiE20 ?
17:43:21  <KenjiE20> mm?
17:43:23  <V453000> ya?
17:43:30  <[com]buster> [19:41] <[com]buster> but as I said, I can't declare a winner
17:43:53  <KenjiE20> 4 to 6 seems fairly close run
17:44:39  <V453000> 4 6 declares the winner imo
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17:45:35  <zerpa> !password
17:45:35  <PublicServer> zerpa: wirier
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17:49:34  <[com]buster> hmmz, this is not working
17:49:48  * [com]buster goes elsewhere until there's a winner
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17:58:31  <gleeb> Now that is a plan I can get behind.
17:58:41  <PublicServer> <Zerpa> callcolors?
17:58:49  <jondisti> whic one?
17:59:05  <zerpa> screenshot :)
17:59:37  <PublicServer> <Zerpa> new lead in the vote
18:00:53  <jondisti> hah
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18:16:15  <sietse> !dl lin
18:16:15  <PublicServer> sietse:
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18:18:53  <PublicServer> <Owen> rofl who's fault is it that we are at a 3 way tie again? :P
18:20:09  <sietse> !password
18:20:09  <PublicServer> sietse: cynics
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18:24:22  <mitooo> !password
18:24:22  <PublicServer> mitooo: cynics
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18:25:13  <KenjiE20> ATTN: Flash Poll: Are Plans in-game a necessity for Stage: Building?
18:25:13  <mitooo> voting ended?
18:25:44  <OwenS> Nope
18:25:48  <PublicServer> <Sietse> I just casted my vote
18:26:21  <PublicServer> <Sietse> Resulting in one running ahead
18:26:50  <PublicServer> <Amm1er> Thraxian: you don't like your plan?
18:27:04  <PublicServer> <Owen> Amm1er: He voted aaginst it to end a tie :p
18:27:27  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00006267:
18:28:10  <PublicServer> <Owen> If we expand the voting board any further, were gonna need to move some stuff from Thrax' plan :p
18:29:37  <PublicServer> <Owen> TBH, the multiple point votes seems to have just caused lots of vote shifting
18:30:05  <sietse> just delete it :0
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18:38:48  <Razaekel> !password
18:38:48  <PublicServer> Razaekel: busily
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18:40:47  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> another small map
18:41:27  <V453000> small?
18:41:40  <V453000> 512 ^2 is quite normal
18:42:00  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> it looks small
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18:44:04  <PublicServer> <callcolor> would anyone be against open play until the voting is completed.  then delete everything and start over.
18:44:13  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> denied
18:47:16  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> thrax's has 70 votes now
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18:47:20  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> CB is at 66
18:47:25  <PublicServer> <Razaekel> the rest dont count
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19:05:14  <PublicServer> <callcolor> oh i see my plan wasn't good enough for someone
19:07:31  <PublicServer> <jond1sti> we have a winner now?
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19:09:59  <Pirate87> !password
19:09:59  <PublicServer> Pirate87: welted
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19:11:18  <Pirate87> is it allowed to change vote ?
19:11:28  <[com]buster> why not
19:11:33  <[com]buster> you can in normal voting
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19:13:20  <Pirate87> there's one problem with this kind of voting
19:13:28  <PublicServer> <Combuster> yea
19:13:42  <PublicServer> <Combuster> people tend to balance voting out for the sake of it
19:13:50  <Pirate87> right
19:14:28  <PublicServer> <callcolor> what if you had 5 votes but you could give everyone 1 vote or give all 5 to one plan
19:14:47  <PublicServer> <callcolor> it would be a mix between old and new
19:15:39  <PublicServer> <Combuster> the thing is
19:15:50  <PublicServer> <Combuster> classic voting points out a different winner
19:16:47  <Pirate87> votes shouldn't be visible until voting is closed
19:16:47  <PublicServer> <Combuster> 6/4/8/0/0 atm
19:17:40  <Pirate87> and the results too
19:17:41  <PublicServer> <callcolor> well, combuster is using monorails, so he wins
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19:18:19  <[com]buster> well
19:18:25  <[com]buster> this can take a *very* long time :(
19:19:14  <PublicServer> <jond1sti> it's a while since this many people have voted
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19:20:06  <Pirate87>
19:20:07  <Webster> Title: Voting paradox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at
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19:28:35  <OwenS> !password
19:28:35  <PublicServer> OwenS: ushers
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19:30:13  <OwenS> Still voting? Grrrr
19:30:24  <PublicServer> <Combuster> agreed :(
19:30:52  <PublicServer> <Combuster> and some people found it interesting to tie the votes again
19:31:29  <Chris_Booth> again?
19:31:31  <Chris_Booth> grrr
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19:31:48  <[com]buster> IMO we should've ended the voting when there was that >5 lead
19:31:53  <Chris_Booth> why not just have a H2H again the 2/3 Best plans
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19:32:02  <[com]buster> CB: agreed
19:32:04  <[com]buster> I win
19:32:06  <[com]buster> yay
19:32:06  <mitooo> why not...
19:32:14  <[com]buster> just count the leading votes ;)
19:32:33  <PublicServer> <Peter> who is number 18?
19:32:37  <[com]buster> nobody...
19:32:41  <PublicServer> <Owen> It's an empty slot
19:32:50  <mitooo> anyway, 2 voted 1 for your plan
19:33:28  <PeterT> why the hell did someone skip over it?
19:33:36  <PublicServer> <jond1sti> there was someone who removed his vote
19:33:43  <PublicServer> <jond1sti> quite simple?
19:34:09  <OwenS> mitooo: Quite a few of the votes have been allocated in order to give maximum chance of the wanted plan winning. In other words, counting 1s is meaningless
19:35:27  <OwenS> Thats the flaw in this voting system: 5 goes to the preference, then 4321 get assigned in order to maximize that preference's chance rather than by the plan's merits
19:36:46  <mitooo> so you prefer the "normal" voting system if i recall exactly?
19:36:48  <PublicServer> <Owen> Combuster: Any reasson to go mono over mag? :p
19:36:48  <Chris_Booth> !password
19:36:48  <PublicServer> Chris_Booth: ushers
19:37:06  <[com]buster> Owen: because I can :)
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19:37:11  <OwenS> mitooo: I prefer "First past the post" or "Cascading vote"
19:37:18  <mitooo> maglev too fast for TGV realism :p
19:37:33  <[com]buster> monorail is the only type not supported by GRFs
19:37:40  <PublicServer> <Owen> Also, the "signal trains" are disabled =(
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19:38:12  <mitooo> signal trains?
19:38:13  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> well Combuster wins
19:38:31  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> as his plan had the most high numbers out of the 3 highest scoring plans
19:38:34  <PublicServer> <Combuster> did you mean eyecandy empty engines?
19:38:45  <PublicServer> <Owen> Combuster: No, the supersonic logic trains :p
19:39:00  <PublicServer> <Combuster> cycle wasters :p
19:42:03  <PublicServer> <Owen> Combuster: With TL15, how many engines? :p
19:42:35  <[com]buster> Three pairs?
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19:42:53  <PublicServer> <Owen> Seems reasonable, though always looks somewhat silly :p
19:43:30  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> you might want to change the acceleration pattern
19:43:35  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> to realistic
19:43:41  <[com]buster> !defaults
19:43:43  <[com]buster> er
19:43:46  *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster
19:43:49  <Combuster> !setdef
19:43:50  <PublicServer> *** Combuster has disabled wait_for_pbs_path, wait_twoway_signal, wait_oneway_signal, ai_in_multiplayer; enabled no_servicing_if_no_breakdowns, extra_dynamite, mod_road_rebuild, forbid_90_deg, rail_firstred_twoway_eol and set path_backoff_interval to 1, train_acceleration_model to 1
19:43:53  <PeterT> Combuster: !setdef
19:44:00  <Combuster> way ahead of you
19:44:02  <Combuster> :)
19:44:03  <PeterT> :-)
19:44:35  <PublicServer> * Owen likes scary {OMG IT'S GONNA CRASH} reversing loops :p
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19:45:21  <PublicServer> <Combuster> hmm, acceleration stinks :(
19:45:35  <PublicServer> <Owen> Monorail accel always does :P
19:45:40  <PublicServer> <Owen> Even Lev4s are faster
19:45:49  <PublicServer> <Combuster> you mean 'Lev1
19:46:07  <PublicServer> <Owen> No, Lev4s have pathetic acceleration for their top speed. And nobody uses anything but Lev4 :p
19:46:37  <PublicServer> <Owen> Consider that a Lev4 has 20khp over two engines at ~500km/h
19:46:55  <PublicServer> <Owen> Vs a Lev1 which has 10khp/engine at 400km/h
19:46:55  <mrcool> !password
19:46:55  <PublicServer> mrcool: haring
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19:48:08  <PublicServer> <Owen> Hang on... does the maglev actually intersect itself? XD
19:48:23  <PublicServer> <Combuster> its longer than the other one
19:48:38  <PublicServer> <Combuster> I thought it had 4 wagons between the locs
19:49:04  <PublicServer> <Owen> Heh, it has 5
19:49:16  <PublicServer> <Combuster> correction: 3
19:49:51  <PublicServer> <Owen> Huh? The lev has 5 between locos, while it should have 4
19:50:08  <PublicServer> <Combuster> The mono has 3 between locos
19:50:16  <PublicServer> <Combuster> while that's not an even TL
19:50:27  <PublicServer> <Combuster> anyway
19:50:37  <PublicServer> <Owen> Monorail is 15 trains 7.5 tiles...
19:50:46  <PublicServer> <Combuster> lev3 = faster, same running cost
19:50:57  <PublicServer> <Owen> Whats not to like ? :P
19:51:08  <PublicServer> <Owen> Other than the inevitable hatred when it comes to upgrade to Lev4 :p
19:51:44  <PublicServer> <Combuster> depends, how much does the accel speed increase with Lev4?
19:52:12  <PublicServer> <Owen> Lev4 has 20khp but remember that it's dual headed
19:52:30  <PublicServer> <Combuster> I know
19:52:31  <PublicServer> <Owen> ...And we'll have it before this vote is over >_<
19:52:47  <PublicServer> <Combuster> THB
19:52:51  <PublicServer> <Combuster> *TBH
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19:53:06  <PublicServer> <Combuster> I dislike Maglev because you can't properly see the construction of crossings
19:53:37  <PublicServer> <Owen> It's difficult but not impossible
19:53:46  <PublicServer> <Combuster> it gets in the way
19:53:50  <gleeb> I can read original-gfx maglev easy
19:54:04  <PublicServer> <Combuster> just as you'll have a hard time reading out the reserved paths with maglev
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19:54:12  <PublicServer> <Owen> I just hate monortail's patheticness
19:54:15  <Progman> still not decided?
19:54:37  <OwenS> no
19:55:16  <Combuster> unless you think its better to go back to original voting
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19:57:55  <OwenS> Ammler, since you seem to be around, any comments on voting methadology? :P
20:01:01  <OwenS> <Evidently not around but not set away. useful.>
20:01:34  <Combuster> Other thing
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20:01:59  <Combuster> Both Thraxian and Chris Booth wanted to resign to force the end of voting
20:02:23  <gleeb> Voting seems complex.
20:02:38  <PublicServer> <Owen> Whoeever decided to change the voting system has made it so
20:02:49  <KenjiE20> +1 Combuster
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20:03:31  <KenjiE20> if it'll get things rolling again
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20:03:58  <KenjiE20> off*
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20:08:42  <Combuster> Looks like we got 4½ members agreeing on a winner
20:09:17  <Combuster> er
20:09:31  <PeterT> ?
20:09:37  <Combuster> Chris Booth
20:09:58  <Combuster> he behaves like one for half the time ;)
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20:12:41  <Combuster> OwenS: if you think its enough, you can declare a winner
20:13:51  <V453000> whats the vote?
20:14:13  <PublicServer> <Combuster> 67/63/64/46/30 with the new system
20:14:18  <PublicServer> <Combuster> 6/4/8/0/0 with the old system
20:14:24  <V453000> right
20:14:36  <V453000> and the 4,5 ?
20:15:11  <Combuster> Thraxian, KenjiE20, OwenS, yours truly, and CB for half
20:16:02  <V453000> but for who?
20:16:29  <Combuster> my plan
20:16:32  <V453000> kk
20:16:36  <V453000> I agree
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20:16:41  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> hi
20:16:47  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> so who needs a vote? ;-)
20:16:48  <PublicServer> <Combuster> hi pm
20:16:51  <PublicServer> <mrcool> hi
20:17:14  <PublicServer> <Owen> planetm4ker: Give combuster 5 and make the two vote totals agree :P
20:17:16  <PublicServer> <Combuster> the new voting system keeps getting tied due to social effects
20:17:25  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> hm.... so much for "clear" winner with this voting scheme
20:19:40  <PublicServer> <Owen> pm: Theres a space in slot 18 :P
20:19:41  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> so, I gave points in 2 decrements
20:19:50  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> oh, I missed that :-) Thanks
20:20:02  <PublicServer> <Owen> Also, you have to give out one of each decrement :p
20:20:13  <^Spike^> hmmm.. Combuster me is not a member? :)
20:20:25  * ^Spike^ starts to wonder why he voted again.. ;)
20:20:47  <Combuster> You didn't state your intent of calling a winner
20:20:53  <^Spike^> i wasn't asked..
20:20:57  <^Spike^> was busy on PZ :)
20:21:45  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> 72 vs. 64 is clear ;-)
20:22:00  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> 13% difference
20:22:15  <PublicServer> <Mitooo> not if i change my vote :p
20:22:21  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> :-P
20:22:36  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> what does the * mean
20:22:42  <PublicServer> <Mitooo> lead vote
20:22:55  <PublicServer> <Owen> planetm4ker: That person's highest vote for a plan which has a possibility of winning :p
20:22:56  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> aye
20:23:50  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> Mitooo: where's your vote anyway?
20:23:58  <Combuster> pm: learn 1337speak
20:24:12  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> oh oh. I see
20:24:34  <Combuster> also, the *s mark the votes that would have been cast in the original voting system
20:25:04  <Combuster> (including the rule not to vote for yourself)
20:26:06  <PublicServer> <Owen> I vote that we never use this stupid voting system again :p
20:26:06  <planetmaker> gosh. It's getting complicated ;-)
20:26:17  * planetmaker agrees
20:26:28  <V453000> :)
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20:27:02  <planetmaker> an eternity is long. especially towards the end :-P
20:27:11  <V453000> :D
20:27:13  <planetmaker> let's see *how* long.
20:27:14  <V453000> nice
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20:28:08  <mitooo> i agree with owen and pm
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20:29:37  <PublicServer> <Owen> Now, we just need to agree to the result of this one >_<
20:32:38  <Pirate_87> !password
20:32:38  <PublicServer> Pirate_87: tanker
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20:32:55  <PublicServer> <Owen> ZzZzZzZ
20:33:14  * Combuster plays sawmill
20:34:22  <Pirate_87> !help
20:34:22  <PublicServer> Pirate_87:
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20:37:49  <Pirate_87> @8ball will the voting end today ?
20:37:49  <Webster> Pirate_87: It shall be.
20:38:14  <^Spike^> @8ball are you an 8ball
20:38:14  <Webster> ^Spike^: In your dreams.
20:38:20  <^Spike^> there.. don't believe it
20:38:32  <Combuster> Good thing Pirate didn't specify what day
20:38:56  <Combuster> it might be the period of one day on mercury
20:39:13  <OwenS> Luna would work too
20:39:21  <Pirate_87> i think 'today' is specific enough :P
20:39:50  <OwenS> Pirate_87: There are 26 (IIRC) definitions of today on this planet :P
20:40:03  <Pirate_87> forgot to specify the time zone :(
20:41:45  <^Spike^> let's say australia..
20:41:52  <^Spike^> so... we still got 20 hours left
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20:42:17  <OwenS> Would someone just call the end of the vote please?!
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20:44:28  <Pirate_87> how can i change my nick ?
20:44:40  <OwenS> Pirate_87: Where?
20:44:50  <Pirate_87> here ?
20:44:57  <Pirate_87> brb
20:44:58  <OwenS>  /nick newnick
20:47:23  <PeterT> /nick <NewNick>
20:57:19  <OwenS> >___<
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20:58:07  <OwenS> Haha it captured the notice :p
20:58:19  <PeterT> @seen SmatZ
20:58:19  <Webster> PeterT: SmatZ was last seen in #openttdcoop 1 day, 20 hours, 40 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <SmatZ> V453000: thanks, rats on cocaine just killed my firefox
20:58:32  <V453000> :D
20:58:36  <Pirate87> a bit earlier today it captured the entire voting board
20:58:46  <V453000> nice quote
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21:01:19  <mitooo> when can we start building?
21:01:37  <Combuster> when the lunar day ends
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21:01:57  <Combuster> Hi ODM
21:02:08  <mitooo> hi odm :)
21:02:11  <Combuster> When I create a scenario for you, please do make a plan :)
21:02:35  <mitooo> which "you"?
21:02:36  <ODM> dont really have time this weekend, sorry
21:03:28  <mitooo> or at  least you may vote :)
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21:08:34  <PeterT> @channelstats
21:08:34  <Webster> PeterT: On #openttdcoop there have been 391483 messages, containing 12219173 characters, 2112627 words, 34023 smileys, and 9707 frowns; 1242 of those messages were ACTIONs.  There have been 24582 joins, 1160 parts, 23301 quits, 63 kicks, 12277 mode changes, and 542 topic changes.
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21:16:27  <V453000> ok back :)
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21:22:44  <mrcool> What time do you have there you are?
21:24:31  <V453000> [22:22] <mrcool> What time do you have there you are?
21:25:18  <mrcool> 22:22?
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21:26:46  <V453000> yes
21:26:59  <mrcool> what country are you people from?
21:27:16  <V453000> Czech republic ... you can check that on users at wiki ;)
21:27:30  <V453000>
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21:28:34  <mrcool> okey
21:28:46  <mrcool> not so many from norway, I see :p
21:29:07  <mitooo> you are the only one?
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21:29:42  <mrcool> i'm  not a registered member, but yeah..
21:29:42  <mrcool> :p
21:30:09  <hylje> or an usual suspect
21:31:08  <V453000> :)
21:31:18  <mitooo> i'm also an only one :p
21:31:27  <mrcool> haha, sweet ;D
21:32:08  <mitooo> but i see there's so much dutch people :p
21:32:18  <mrcool> is long time to the building starts? why wait, when it looks like there are an winner?
21:32:42  <hylje> because it's almost midnight
21:32:57  <hylje> dutch social networks took over here, you do the same ;-)
21:33:35  <V453000> :)
21:33:56  <Combuster> there's still an hour and a half before midnight<
21:34:03  <Combuster> there's just a voting crisis :(
21:35:37  <ed__> !password
21:35:37  <PublicServer> ed__: salted
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21:36:38  <mrcool> combusters plan have most votes, it's an hour and a half before midnight, so i vote for start building :p
21:39:31  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> I voted for that about 3 hours ago :)
21:40:09  <PublicServer> <Combuster> well then, lets remove pm's wrong vote and get this over with
21:40:21  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> of course, I also suggested running both my plan (cargo) and Combuster's plan (pax) at the same time, but that was declined also
21:40:33  <PublicServer> <Combuster> unless you still want your plan to participate
21:40:44  <PublicServer> <Combuster> in which case we still have a winner, but a different one
21:40:52  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> well, I still think my plan rocks, but I'd like to see something built...maybe today
21:41:25  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> and I'm willing to give up my plan if it means the game will actually happen
21:41:32  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> maybe I'll build my plan offline, or in a future PZ game :)
21:42:05  <PublicServer> <Combuster> the problem is planetmaker 's half-baked vote :(
21:42:28  <PublicServer> <mrcool> well, is it to much using combusters plan with pax, and combine with cargo transport also?
21:42:29  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> ok... how shall I improve?
21:42:43  <PublicServer> <Combuster> make sure you use 1..5
21:42:50  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0000E060:
21:42:51  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> (including 2 and 4)
21:42:56  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> better?
21:43:03  <PublicServer> <Combuster> good enough
21:43:06  <PublicServer> <Combuster> plan part two
21:43:25  <Razaekel> combining thrax and combuster's might work, as long as the networks are kept seperate
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21:43:35  <Razaekel> and the cargo gets priority over pax
21:43:45  <PublicServer> <Combuster> cargo doesn't need prio
21:43:47  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> we might consider rotating Combuster's plan 90 degrees then
21:43:54  <PublicServer> <Combuster>
21:43:55  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> the spokes from the loop can go between the different regions
21:44:25  <V453000> Thraxian: I really like your plan too ... would be nice for a PZ if it wasnt used in this PS ... wanna do it too :)
21:44:35  <Razaekel> i meant in terms of bridgebuilding
21:44:46  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> that's fine by me  - mine on PZ, Combuster's here
21:44:51  <Razaekel> in cases where pax and cargo lines cross, the pax should go on bridges
21:45:07  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> but we'll wait on doing mine on PZ until after this PSG, so there's no conflict of interest
21:45:17  <mrcool> that sounds okey.
21:45:24  <Combuster> Fine with me
21:45:39  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> are those in response to Raz's comments or mine?
21:45:42  <mrcool> can i remove my plan now? : )
21:46:10  <Chris_Booth> Combuster & Thraxian: there is currently a game on PZ
21:46:21  <Chris_Booth> cant it wait until that game is finished?
21:46:29  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> only 41 industiries left in this game :)
21:46:30  <Combuster> <Thraxian> but we'll wait on doing mine on PZ until after this PSG
21:46:41  <Combuster> ;)
21:46:45  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> thanks Combuster
21:46:55  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> wasn't in IRC - and OpenTTD doesn't allow copy/paste from chat :)
21:47:04  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> I should get an IRC client for my home PC
21:47:24  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> someone make sure to save the current game state for loading on the PZ
21:47:35  <Progman> !save
21:47:35  <PublicServer> Saving game...
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21:47:48  <Chris_Booth> Combuster: that doesnt answer my quesetion, i asked if you could wait until PZ 12 is finished
21:48:05  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> and use a special name for that save, so it doesn't get overwritten
21:48:08  <mitooo> "PSG winner"; i love this expression :p
21:48:09  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> I have a local copy, just in case
21:48:22  <PublicServer> <Combuster> I'll make sure to do the same
21:48:27  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> if PZ12 is still going on when this PSG ends, we'll wait
21:48:48  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> after PZ12 and PSG 177 have BOTH ended, we'll load this game next
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21:49:02  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> if that happens to be PZ 13 or PZ27, it doesn't matter :)
21:49:18  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> so...Combuster officially wins the vote?
21:49:25  <PublicServer> <Mitooo> normally yes
21:49:36  <planetmaker> [22:46]	<PublicServer>	<Thraxian>  wasn't in IRC - and OpenTTD doesn't allow copy/paste from chat :) <-- did you actually try? It *should* work AFAIK
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21:50:03  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> pm: how do you copy and paste text from a box that doesn't allow selecting the text?
21:50:31  <PublicServer> <Owen> lkj
21:50:34  <planetmaker> I thought you meant copy _into_ OpenTTD?
21:50:36  <PublicServer> <Owen> woops lol
21:50:57  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> no - I meant copying something I wrote a few minutes ago in chat and pasting it back into chat
21:51:02  <Combuster> @Stage building
21:51:02  *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG #177 (r19163) | STAGE: building | | New players, use @quickstart & !help | Screenshots: | Coopetition ladder: | Welcome to the depths of insanity"
21:51:04  <planetmaker> he... you mean OpenTTD chat? Ah :)
21:51:12  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> Owen: time to change that password...lkj is no longer safe!
21:51:12  <planetmaker> That's difficult :-)
21:51:53  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> last time I tried using my scissors on the monitor, I had to buy a new one - but the glue messed up the new one, so I had to buy a 3rd
21:52:01  <PeterT> !password
21:52:01  <PublicServer> PeterT: gloats
21:52:03  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> teach me to cut and paste the screen:)
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21:52:15  <PublicServer> <mrcool> haha
21:52:16  <PublicServer> *** Server has changed his/her name to Peter
21:52:19  <PublicServer> <Peter> oops :-)
21:52:20  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> say bye-bye to Thrax's plan....
21:52:59  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> sign list is now half as long :)
21:53:00  <PublicServer> <Owen> Combuster: How wide should the gap between the lines be?
21:53:11  <PublicServer> <Peter> we need filter sign list patch
21:53:12  <PublicServer> <Combuster> see plan? :)
21:53:16  <PublicServer> <Combuster> L_R
21:53:18  <PublicServer> <Owen> Just one?
21:53:19  <PublicServer> <Peter> 221 signs
21:53:31  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> inner loop north of neningville?
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21:53:43  <PublicServer> <Owen> For the outer loop, should we roughly follow the towns?
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21:53:45  <PublicServer> <Peter> also, what are those maglevs and monos?
21:53:54  <V453000> who won?
21:53:58  <PublicServer> <Peter> can I delete CB's signs?
21:54:02  <PublicServer> <Peter> Combuster
21:54:04  <PublicServer> <Combuster> V453000: Both
21:54:05  <PublicServer> <Peter> won
21:54:05  <V453000> kk
21:54:08  <V453000> nice
21:54:16  <PublicServer> <Combuster> see prozone topic
21:54:21  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> see my "inner loop here?" signs and let me know....
21:54:33  <PublicServer> <Combuster> looks fine
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21:55:20  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> I thought outer loop would be on map edge
21:55:28  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> or very close to it
21:55:33  <PublicServer> <Combuster> what thrax said
21:55:59  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> are those spokes on the plan exact, or for illustrative purposes?
21:56:00  <PublicServer> <Owen> Perhaps slightly further in for junction space
21:56:17  <PublicServer> <Combuster> keep like 20 tiles from edge
21:56:31  <PublicServer> * Owen starts
21:56:33  <PublicServer> <Combuster> everything is illustrative
21:56:40  <PublicServer> <Thraxian> kk
21:56:51  <PublicServer> <Combuster> spokes and hubs are added on demand
21:57:03  <PublicServer> <Combuster> hubs only T's
21:57:33  <PeterT> @wiki TGV
21:57:36  <Webster> Search results for "TGV" - #openttdcoop Wiki -
21:57:42  <PeterT> @wiki Gametype:TGV
21:57:45  <Webster> Search results for "Gametype:TGV" - #openttdcoop Wiki -
21:57:52  <Combuster> wrong
21:57:52  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0000A99B:
21:58:07  <PeterT> @wiki Gametype:TGV-ng
21:58:09  <Webster> Search results for "Gametype:TGV-ng" - #openttdcoop Wiki -
21:58:11  <Combuster>
21:58:28  <PeterT> thanks
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22:00:42  <Pirate87> !password
22:00:43  <PublicServer> Pirate87: candid
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22:01:48  <PublicServer> <Peter> what is an example of a "t-hub"?
22:01:55  <hylje> 3 way
22:02:09  <PublicServer> <Peter> Ok
22:03:19  <Ammler> oh no, TGV game won?
22:03:32  <PublicServer> <Owen> Yes
22:03:37  <PublicServer> <Combuster> any problems with that?
22:03:41  <Ammler> :-P
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22:05:54  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> i should avoid diagonal tracks
22:05:57  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> right ?
22:06:30  <PublicServer> <Owen> Pirate87: They're less of an issue than they were
22:06:49  <hylje> you can put bridges over diagonal
22:06:55  <hylje> just no diagonal bridges yet
22:09:45  <PublicServer> <Owen> TL15 means HUUUGE stations :p
22:12:39  <PublicServer> <Combuster> We don't need CL15 though
22:12:54  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00027F51:
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22:14:13  <PublicServer> <Combuster> CL=6
22:15:12  <^Spike^> who won?
22:15:17  <^Spike^> after 50 hours of discussion
22:15:18  <PublicServer> <Combuster> Both
22:15:24  <^Spike^> which means
22:15:34  <PublicServer> <Combuster> See prozone topic :)
22:16:04  <PublicServer> *** Progman has left the game (leaving)
22:16:12  <^Spike^> which means.. which plan we play there next game?
22:16:30  <PublicServer> <Combuster> Thraxian's
22:16:43  <^Spike^> ah
22:17:03  <^Spike^> so long TL prozone game.. and PS game..
22:17:04  <^Spike^> cool :)
22:17:11  <^Spike^> atleast cargo next on pz :)
22:17:30  <PublicServer> <Peter> are we doing CL in this game?
22:17:33  <PublicServer> <Owen> 6
22:17:55  <PeterT> Ok
22:18:26  <zerpa> !password
22:18:26  <PublicServer> zerpa: stride
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22:18:56  <^Spike^> let's see...
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22:19:53  <PeterT> @coin
22:19:53  <Webster> PeterT: tails
22:20:11  <PublicServer> <Owen> I suppose it classifies as an MSH :p
22:20:38  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> what's the prio lenght ?
22:20:51  <PublicServer> <Owen> I've gone for 4 blocks
22:21:27  <PublicServer> <Spike> combuster no mail cars?
22:21:40  <PublicServer> <Mitooo> as it's TGV no
22:21:59  <PublicServer> <Spike> i'm asking cause wiki said engine 3 pax 2 mail 3 pax engine
22:22:00  <PublicServer> <mrcool> wow
22:22:09  <PublicServer> <mrcool> my best friend was on that plane :s
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22:22:32  <PublicServer> <Combuster> this trainset doesn't have TGVs either ;)
22:22:49  <PublicServer> * Spike was just asking :)
22:25:53  <PublicServer> * Owen builds an inner-outer link
22:27:22  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> terminus statinos ?
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22:27:29  <PublicServer> <Owen> Use whatever you want
22:27:42  <Phazorx> !password
22:27:43  <PublicServer> Phazorx: stride
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22:27:56  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 000364F7:
22:28:07  <PublicServer> <Phazorx> oh boy i need mrhunt's mono to play this
22:28:40  <PublicServer> <Owen> Hmm... Should the inner-outer links be L_R or LR?
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22:29:03  <PublicServer> <Phazorx> LR kinda makes it more usual
22:29:11  <PublicServer> <Owen> but the MLs are L_R :P
22:29:20  <PublicServer> <Combuster> LR is fine
22:29:37  <PublicServer> <Phazorx> a pax game?
22:29:40  <PublicServer> <Phazorx> hmm
22:29:48  <PublicServer> <Phazorx> are we only doing few station
22:29:51  <PublicServer> <Phazorx> s?
22:30:16  <PublicServer> <Spike> Phazorx: you have 2 choices of pax games.. :)
22:30:19  <PublicServer> <Spike> pz or ps :)
22:30:35  <PublicServer> <Combuster> One TGV station per town
22:30:38  <PublicServer> <Phazorx> i'm not a big fan of pimp da city games
22:30:52  <PublicServer> <Combuster> key difference between TGV and ICE-SBahn
22:31:12  <PublicServer> <Phazorx> err... so no shuttles?
22:31:27  <PublicServer> <Owen> Hmm... I should probably double my BBH's bridges :p
22:33:43  <PublicServer> <Spike> i always wonder why ppl need to TF so much on a flat map...
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22:38:07  <PublicServer> <Peter> that looks ugly.
22:38:15  <PublicServer> <Owen> What looks ugly?
22:38:23  <PublicServer> <Peter> one of the bbhs
22:38:30  <PublicServer> <Owen> Which? They're labeled
22:39:20  <V453000> !password
22:39:20  <PublicServer> V453000: pureed
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22:39:39  <PublicServer> <V453000> evening
22:39:42  <PublicServer> <Owen> Eve
22:39:48  <PublicServer> <Peter> Don't delete it Mitoo
22:39:56  <PublicServer> * Owen builds Central Water distribution center for central regions
22:40:01  <PublicServer> <Mitooo> i don't touch it :)
22:41:42  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> hmm,  u're right
22:41:57  <PublicServer> <Combuster> there's a better looking alternative
22:42:04  <PublicServer> <Combuster> but it requires moving the ML
22:42:08  <PublicServer> <V453000> OwenS: u got a bad CL at MSH02 ... I will fix it right?
22:42:58  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00014FC9:
22:44:23  <PublicServer> <V453000> how long prios?
22:44:31  <PublicServer> <Combuster> ~20
22:44:36  <PublicServer> <Phazorx> heh anyone tesed?
22:44:43  <PeterT> ~20? jesus..
22:44:48  <PublicServer> <Phazorx> prios are rarely less than 2TLs
22:44:51  <PublicServer> <Combuster> probably more
22:45:04  <PublicServer> <Phazorx> unaccelereated usualy between 2.5 TL and 3TL
22:45:22  <PublicServer> <Combuster> depends
22:45:24  <PublicServer> <V453000> depends on train accelerations
22:45:33  <PublicServer> <Combuster> last game we had TL11 prios for TL7 trains
22:46:21  <PublicServer> <V453000> why Lev4?
22:46:28  <PublicServer> <Owen> Because I fancied it :p
22:46:35  <PublicServer> <V453000> :O
22:46:36  <PublicServer> <Peter> i didn't build it, but why not?
22:46:44  <PublicServer> <V453000> suckage acceleration
22:46:48  <PublicServer> <V453000> Lev3 is godly
22:46:59  <PublicServer> <Owen> It's only TL5, on a private network :p
22:47:03  <PublicServer> <V453000> kk
22:47:09  <PublicServer> <Owen> A network not intended to make money but to make cities :p
22:47:14  <PublicServer> <V453000> "only" TL5 :D
22:47:25  <PublicServer> <Owen> Combuster: Can we do some PAX between MSH01 and 02?
22:47:34  <PublicServer> <Combuster> Life support is mostly chaos style
22:47:40  <PublicServer> <Combuster> Owen: sure
22:49:04  <PublicServer> <Owen> These trains are INSANE
22:49:12  <PublicServer> <Peter> which?
22:49:15  <PublicServer> <Phazorx> as well as the plan
22:49:25  <PublicServer> <Combuster> aren't we all? :)
22:50:03  <PublicServer> <Owen> Trains released
22:52:06  <PublicServer> <Mitooo> done a station too :)
22:52:22  <PublicServer> <Zerpa> did you decide a prio length?
22:52:27  <PublicServer> <Phazorx> measure it
22:52:28  <PublicServer> <Mitooo> no
22:52:53  <PublicServer> <Owen> 1230 pax/train loool
22:53:05  <PublicServer> <Owen> Thats half the town's inhabitants :p
22:53:45  <PublicServer> * Owen does a little water prospecting
22:54:00  <PublicServer> <Combuster> nice
22:54:13  <PublicServer> <Peter> a "little"?
22:54:25  <PublicServer> <Owen> I pressed the button ~5 times, we have the cash
22:54:49  <ed__> bbh03 doesn't have anything connected on the outer loop
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22:57:27  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> @clcalc maglev 482
22:57:34  <PublicServer> <Peter> in IRC...
22:57:41  <PeterT> @clcalc maglev 482
22:57:41  <Webster> PeterT: Required CL for maglev at 482km/h is 7 (13 half tiles) or TL
22:57:52  <PublicServer> <V453000> 482?
22:57:57  <PublicServer> <V453000> oh
22:58:00  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0003B8AC:
22:58:01  <PublicServer> <V453000> thats Lev3 :)
22:58:09  <PeterT> @clcalc maglev 337
22:58:09  <Webster> PeterT: Required CL for maglev at 337km/h is 4 (6 half tiles) or TL
22:58:56  <PublicServer> <Owen> Combuster, NDF station is too short
22:59:19  <PublicServer> <Peter> what is the prio?
22:59:32  <PublicServer> <Owen> TL 20
22:59:39  <PublicServer> <Peter> wow
23:00:03  <PublicServer> <Phazorx> i doubt that's enough
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23:00:34  <Kenix> !password
23:00:35  <PublicServer> Kenix: enemas
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23:04:05  <PublicServer> <Phazorx> CL7 or 6 ?
23:04:08  <PublicServer> <Combuster> CL6
23:04:10  <PublicServer> <Peter> 6
23:04:12  <PublicServer> <Phazorx> k
23:04:12  <PublicServer> <Combuster> is sufficient
23:04:23  <PublicServer> <Phazorx> 11 half tiles or 12?
23:04:45  <PublicServer> <Owen> I've not noticed any slowdowns on 11
23:04:50  <PublicServer> <Combuster> 11 halves are ok
23:04:53  <PublicServer> <Phazorx> good
23:04:54  <PublicServer> <Phazorx> thanks
23:05:03  <PublicServer> <Combuster> that's what the speed test were based on
23:05:33  <PublicServer> <Combuster> SED TGV is open
23:05:44  <PublicServer> <Combuster> any unconnected station?
23:05:46  <PublicServer> <Mitooo> FON also is open
23:05:49  <PublicServer> <Zerpa> FWL
23:06:00  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> SON oficialy open
23:06:02  <PublicServer> <Zerpa> FWL is ready for pax
23:06:09  <PublicServer> <Combuster> will take FWL
23:08:06  <PublicServer> <Combuster> who built the wrong trains?
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23:08:25  <PublicServer> <Peter> lev2?
23:08:31  <PublicServer> <Peter> check the logs
23:08:38  <PeterT> SmatZ: You there?
23:08:42  <PeterT> @seen SmatZ
23:08:42  <Webster> PeterT: SmatZ was last seen in #openttdcoop 1 day, 22 hours, 50 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <SmatZ> V453000: thanks, rats on cocaine just killed my firefox
23:08:42  <PublicServer> <Zerpa> which ones?
23:08:48  <PublicServer> <Combuster> there are ML trains with three pairs of locs (wrong) and 4 pairs (right)
23:09:07  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> i cloned from the trainyard
23:09:27  <PublicServer> <Peter> can someone check msh03 and tell me where else I need to add prios?
23:09:52  <PublicServer> <Mitooo> can someone also check FON station?
23:10:03  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> hey, MSH03 is mine !
23:10:33  <PublicServer> <Peter> Hmm?
23:10:48  <PublicServer> <Peter> well, intexon likes the credit
23:11:00  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> we have 2 MSH03
23:11:15  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> check east
23:11:16  <PublicServer> <Zerpa> fixed
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23:12:22  <PublicServer> <Peter> no, it's not fixed
23:12:44  <PublicServer> <Peter> Now, fixed
23:12:45  <PublicServer> <Sietse> trains need to be able to leave both ways I guess?
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23:13:33  <PublicServer> <Peter> Ok, so where else does MSH 03 need prios?
23:14:33  <PublicServer> <Peter> thanks
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23:16:50  <PublicServer> * Peter waits for a train to pass and test his prios
23:17:36  <PublicServer> <Owen> The ones with 3 pairs are my fault, sorry. I didn't know someone had built a trainyard at the time (If they had)
23:18:01  <PublicServer> <Combuster> They've been replaced in the meantime
23:18:07  <PublicServer> <Peter> good
23:19:10  <PublicServer> <ed__> should FON station be split? currently sharing lev & mono
23:19:28  <PublicServer> <Combuster> not required
23:20:01  <PublicServer> <Peter> fuck, if i knew the tl was 15 and not 12, the prios would've been alot easier
23:20:55  <mitooo> going to bed :)
23:20:58  <mitooo> good night :)
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23:23:43  <PublicServer> <Peter> wow, soo many people
23:23:57  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> they
23:24:01  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> they
23:24:02  <PeterT> !playercount
23:24:02  <PublicServer> PeterT: Number of players: 14
23:24:15  <PeterT> we just need to beat 25 :-)
23:24:15  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> they've been waiting 2 days for this :)
23:24:49  <PublicServer> <Peter> btw, where can i get the .void station grf?
23:24:53  <PublicServer> <Peter> where can I find it, i mean
23:25:09  <PublicServer> <Owen> Hey, um, wrt Fon, who please sign your hub
23:26:01  <PublicServer> <Zerpa> full load?
23:26:05  <PublicServer> <Owen> No
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23:30:43  <Pirate87> !password
23:30:43  <PublicServer> Pirate87: madams
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23:32:46  <PublicServer> <Phazorx> why dont we have trams?
23:32:51  <PublicServer> <Peter> No grf for it
23:32:59  <PublicServer> <Peter> as to why that is, I don't know
23:33:00  <PublicServer> <Phazorx> i figured that much
23:33:02  <PublicServer> <Phazorx> but why
23:33:07  <PublicServer> <Peter> someone forget to add it
23:33:13  <PublicServer> <Phazorx> for pax game it is a must
23:33:20  <PublicServer> <Phazorx> as well as LV4
23:33:27  <PublicServer> <Combuster> no, and no
23:33:34  <PublicServer> <Combuster> this game is original vehicles :)
23:33:34  <PublicServer> <Phazorx> yes and yes ?
23:33:40  <PublicServer> <Phazorx> i can see that
23:33:45  <PublicServer> <Phazorx> but it doesnt even have gen trams
23:33:58  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> there are no generic trams
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23:34:09  <PublicServer> <Phazorx> and pax games are more interesting with trams and with decent RVs
23:34:19  <PublicServer> <Phazorx> Pirate87: there were 2 years ago
23:34:27  <PublicServer> <Phazorx> i dobt they followed path of dinosaurs
23:34:41  <PeterT> <Combuster> this game is original vehicles :) <-- So why do we have Avi8tors aircraft?
23:34:50  <PeterT> :-{
23:34:54  <PeterT> :-P*
23:35:01  <PublicServer> <Owen> "Generic Tram Set" Yep, definitely exist :p
23:36:00  <PublicServer> <ed__> anyone need a train to stop in a station? i need one for FON
23:36:12  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> GSL maybe ?
23:36:18  <PublicServer> <ed__> ok, GSL it is
23:36:28  <PublicServer> <Owen> Apparently CHT has highest waiting but it has wave issues
23:37:18  <PublicServer> <Owen> "100% transported" (Water pump) impressive!
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23:42:29  <PublicServer> <Owen> =( Water trains are more profitable than express :P
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23:43:33  <PublicServer> <Phazorx> SAN is ready of anyone eneds trains
23:44:06  <PublicServer> <Owen> Well, it could never hurt CHT, and a bit of diversity would help the wave problem
23:44:23  <PublicServer> <Combuster> NDF also has some spare
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23:45:17  <PublicServer> <Combuster> meeeeh, bad score
23:45:30  <PublicServer> <Owen> We only started building 10 bloody years ago :p
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23:45:43  <PublicServer> <Owen> Stupid controversial voting process
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23:49:49  <PublicServer> <Phazorx> so where a i addint trains from SAN to ?
23:50:04  <PublicServer> <Combuster> NDF?
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23:50:22  <PublicServer> <Phazorx> NDF is like 50 tiles from it :)
23:50:34  <PublicServer> <Owen> Phazorx: CHT?
23:50:51  <OwenS> Any plans to do a game to celebrate 1.0's final release? :p
23:51:15  <PeterT> @seen Chris_Booth
23:51:15  <Webster> PeterT: Chris_Booth was last seen in #openttdcoop 2 hours, 3 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <Chris_Booth> Combuster: that doesnt answer my quesetion, i asked if you could wait until PZ 12 is finished
23:53:18  <PublicServer> <ed__> what does CL mean?
23:53:23  <Combuster> @CL
23:53:23  <Webster> cl: Curve Length, mostly used to describe how big a curve must be to let pass trains with a certain TL at full speed, see also:
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23:53:34  <PublicServer> <ed__> thx
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23:54:10  <KenjiE20> OwenS: 'stables' don't mean much here :P
23:54:49  <OwenS> KenjiE20: I'm well aware of that, but it would make sens to celebrate finally reaching the holy grail of version numbers :p
23:55:20  <KenjiE20> wake me when it's 4.0 :P
23:55:31  <KenjiE20> nah, it'd probably get a blog post from one of us
23:55:51  <KenjiE20> unless 'someone' has something up their sleeve
23:55:51  <PublicServer> <Combuster> I want a multithreaded pathfinder :(
23:55:52  <OwenS> Meh. How about celebrating r20000 then? :P
23:56:08  <KenjiE20> you got that answer already :P
23:56:24  <OwenS> Which are both coincidentally approaching
23:56:50  <OwenS> It would be fun if r20000 was the update to /branches/1.0 to remove the "RC1" from the title :p
23:57:06  <KenjiE20> *cough*
23:58:07  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00035D24:
23:59:09  <Pirate87> @tunnels 15
23:59:09  <Webster> Pirate87: For Trainlength of 15: < 21 needs 2, 22 - 38 needs 3, 39 - 55 needs 4.
23:59:26  <OwenS> Combuster: As someone who's working on an app with ~4+2n threads (n = core count), multithreading is not fun :p

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