Log for #openttdcoop on 7th March 2010:
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00:36:31  <Nebri> Hello all
00:36:54  <Nebri> !download
00:36:54  <PublicServer> Nebri: !download autostart|autottd|autoupdate|lin|lin64|osx|win32|win64|win9x
00:37:04  <Nebri> !download lin64
00:37:04  <PublicServer> Nebri:
00:37:56  <Nebri> hmm that link appears to be dead.
00:38:47  <Nebri> oops nvm
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00:53:18  <Thorinbur> !players
00:53:19  <PublicServer> Thorinbur: There are currently no clients connected to the server
00:53:42  <Thorinbur> Thats what i thought. Ok going sleep see you.
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01:06:55  <Ammler> @man dos
01:06:57  <Webster> Search results - OpenTTD -
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04:10:38  <Nebri> !download win64
04:10:38  <PublicServer> Nebri:
04:15:26  <Nebri> !password
04:15:26  <PublicServer> Nebri: bluffs
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09:27:17  <Giddorah_> !players
09:27:19  <PublicServer> Giddorah_: There are currently no clients connected to the server
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09:54:58  <Pirate87> !screen
09:54:58  <PublicServer> *** Pirate87 liked to make screenshot of last action, but nobody was working since. (
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10:22:04  <Pirate87> !playercount
10:22:04  <PublicServer> Pirate87: Number of players: 0
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10:44:14  <Pirate87> !password
10:44:15  <PublicServer> Pirate87: libels
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10:52:52  <virtual> !download win32
10:52:52  <PublicServer> virtual:
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11:05:32  <virtual> !password
11:05:32  <PublicServer> virtual: swills
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11:06:17  <Webster> Player, please change your in game nick
11:06:46  <Giddorah_> !players
11:06:48  <PublicServer> Giddorah_: Client 574 is Player, a spectator
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11:17:48  <^Spike^> !players
11:17:50  <PublicServer> ^Spike^: Client 574 is Player, a spectator
11:17:58  <^Spike^> virtual could you change your nick?
11:18:01  <^Spike^> in-game that is
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11:23:42  <Pirate87> !password
11:23:42  <PublicServer> Pirate87: berets
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11:31:44  <Pirate87> if someone joins please highlight me
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11:55:12  <Giddorah> !players
11:55:13  <PublicServer> Giddorah: Client 574 is virtual, a spectator
11:55:13  <PublicServer> Giddorah: Client 576 (Orange) is Pirate87, in company 1 (New Hendtown Transport)
11:55:47  <Giddorah> !password
11:55:47  <PublicServer> Giddorah: signer
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11:56:08  <Ryt0n> !password
11:56:08  <PublicServer> Ryt0n: gravel
11:56:12  <Giddorah> Bah
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11:56:27  <Giddorah> Pirate87
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12:07:30  <PublicServer> <Ryton> i'm finally starting to grasp the logic behind the BBH's & some of the MSH's !
12:07:49  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> There's logic?
12:08:07  <PublicServer> *** virtual has left the game (leaving)
12:08:36  <PublicServer> <Ryton> it might be that I start to understand the insanity of it
12:08:51  <PublicServer> <Ryton> but its becoming clearer anyway :-) in the beginning it did look like spaghetti
12:09:24  <PublicServer> <Ryton> now I see itsmore like  lasagna: well build, layer after layer
12:15:24  <Pirate87> sorry, i was watching a movie fullscreen
12:15:37  <Pirate87> and my player blocks everthing else
12:15:48  <OwenS> Mmmmhhh, Lasagna
12:16:03  <Pirate87> i just got hungry
12:16:26  <PublicServer> <Ryton> btw, MSH10, shouldnt that be BBH10?
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12:16:37  <PublicServer> <Ryton> probably I am still missing some important point ;-)
12:17:43  <PublicServer> <Ryton> or its also possible to make side hubs from the NW to SE backbone, not just from the NE to SW backbones?
12:18:22  <PublicServer> <Ryton> (if this all makes some sense to anyone :p)
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12:25:53  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0000A0E1:
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12:27:41  <Pirate87> @wiki MSH
12:27:44  <Webster> MSH - #openttdcoop Wiki -
12:27:55  <Pirate87> Ryt0n, check this out
12:29:35  <Ryt0n> will do, ty
12:30:01  <PublicServer> <Ryton> I did read it a while ago, but theory is far from reality sometimes :p
12:30:08  <PublicServer> <Ryton> so it could be usefull to reread it
12:31:00  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> it's just that BBH connect one ML to another
12:31:13  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> and MSH connect a main station to the ML
12:31:29  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> so why would u like to call MSH10 a BBH >
12:31:30  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> ?
12:32:11  <PublicServer> <Ryton> because... i was wrong :pp
12:32:14  <PublicServer> *** Pirate87 has left the game (connection lost)
12:32:15  <PublicServer> *** Game paused (not enough players)
12:32:35  <PublicServer> <Ryton> I was mixing up MSH and SLH
12:32:43  <Pirate87> !password
12:32:44  <PublicServer> Pirate87: aisles
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12:33:40  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> somethings wrong with this version
12:33:50  <Ryt0n> in other words: it looked like a sideline buildup to me
12:34:16  <Ryt0n> you get disconnected?
12:34:53  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> once every hour
12:35:01  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> aproximatle
12:39:22  <V453000> ok my IRC is operational once again :D
12:39:41  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Wasn't OTTD the problematic thing?
12:40:20  <V453000> yesterday I werent able to connect to the game ... but in the evening I couldnt join the IRC bouncer
12:40:39  <V453000> because my connection somehow failed but I somehow stayed logged in :D
12:40:55  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00030C6B:
12:41:24  <V453000> !players
12:41:26  <PublicServer> V453000: Client 589 (Orange) is Pirate87, in company 1 (New Hendtown Transport)
12:41:26  <PublicServer> V453000: Client 582 (Orange) is Giddorah, in company 1 (New Hendtown Transport)
12:41:26  <PublicServer> V453000: Client 584 is Ryton, a spectator
12:41:28  <V453000> !password
12:41:28  <PublicServer> V453000: cupped
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12:42:02  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> good to see you V
12:42:07  <PublicServer> <V453000> hi
12:42:22  <PublicServer> <V453000> any new?
12:42:32  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> new what ?
12:42:42  <PublicServer> <V453000> anything :)
12:42:51  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> don't know
12:42:54  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> just got here
12:43:07  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> and i wasn't here yesterday
12:45:47  <V453000> :)
12:47:39  <PublicServer> <V453000> wha
12:47:41  <PublicServer> <V453000> brb
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12:47:51  <Ryt0n> aha, found something to back up my logic (in mistaking MSH and SLH):
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12:55:57  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 000330A6:
13:03:14  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Where are you building Pirate?
13:03:23  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> near MSH02
13:03:28  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Aight
13:03:35  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> trying to build a drop
13:03:59  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Hmmm... Crowded place :P
13:04:11  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> yep
13:06:20  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Haha
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13:11:00  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00032BAC:
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13:17:46  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Hehe
13:17:49  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> When did you wake up?
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13:26:02  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00031E9B:
13:27:03  <Ryt0n> out of here. back later. CU all
13:27:15  <PublicServer> *** Ryton has changed his/her name to {Ryton\afk}
13:27:39  <Pirate87> @away
13:27:39  <Webster> No away nicks/messages please (
13:28:15  <Ryt0n> point taken :-)
13:28:20  <PublicServer> *** {Ryton\afk} has changed his/her name to Ryton
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13:37:51  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> Giddorah: building anything ?
13:37:59  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Nope
13:38:11  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Just browsing around :)
13:38:14  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> just finished that stations
13:38:21  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Yeah :) I saw
13:38:26  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Good use of limited space
13:38:42  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Would rock of those industries died right now :P
13:38:43  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> thx
13:39:04  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> but i think i could have been done better
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13:39:18  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Perhaps... With less industries around
13:39:43  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Shouldn't doublebridge the exits though?
13:39:59  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> maybe
13:40:10  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> I think there's gonna be whining about that :P
13:40:15  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> i'll try
13:40:18  <Ammler> afk is done with switch to spec
13:41:04  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00032DA1:
13:41:36  <Ammler> anyway, the @away was made for irc, we don't really care that much about ingame nicks...
13:42:04  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> oups, didn't notice that :P
13:42:13  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> :)
13:42:26  <Ammler> the reason for irc is that you might be joined to more than one channel...
13:43:23  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Hmmm
13:43:45  <planetmaker> who isn't? ;-)
13:47:31  <V453000> !password
13:47:31  <PublicServer> V453000: flasks
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13:47:56  <PublicServer> <V453000> back :)
13:49:05  <PublicServer> <V453000> why does MSH08 need a rebuild?
13:49:08  <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost)
13:49:09  <Ammler> V453000: you should alert if is down :-P
13:49:24  <Giddorah> Sigh... Lost my password for the main-forum :(
13:49:25  <V453000> okay :) I tried to
13:49:32  <V453000> but I wasnt sure if it isnt my issue
13:49:40  <V453000> !password
13:49:40  <PublicServer> V453000: flasks
13:50:09  <V453000> Ammler: my internet connection is able to do really weird things
13:50:32  <KenjiE20> V453000:
13:50:32  <V453000> for example sometimes it is unable to connect to ICQ but connects to meebo-ICQ with no problems
13:50:33  <Webster> Title: Down for everyone or just me? (at
13:50:34  <KenjiE20> :P
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13:50:45  <Ammler> well, I will add monitor script to it, maybe run it as service...
13:50:49  <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost)
13:51:11  <Ammler> but currently, if the server reboots, it needs manual start...
13:51:39  <V453000> right :)
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13:51:56  <KenjiE20> does it not have a check script / pid file?
13:52:55  <Ammler> KenjiE20: no idea...
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13:53:02  <KenjiE20> lol
13:53:04  <Ammler> it has a pid file
13:53:26  <KenjiE20> then you could probably cron a simple bash check
13:53:39  <Ammler> yes, that might be the monitor script
13:53:56  <Ammler> but maybe you can do it simpler by just start it every 5 mins.
13:54:26  <Ammler> like znc
13:54:34  <V453000> !password
13:54:34  <PublicServer> V453000: flasks
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13:55:14  <V453000> :{
13:55:40  <V453000> this starts to be serious
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13:56:06  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 000334A4:
13:56:31  <Ammler> !rcon frame_freq
13:56:31  <PublicServer> Ammler: ERROR: command not found
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13:58:48  <V453000> !password
13:58:48  <PublicServer> V453000: sensed
13:58:50  <Chris_Booth> !password
13:58:50  <PublicServer> Chris_Booth: sensed
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13:59:09  <PublicServer> <V453000> hey CB
13:59:15  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> hello
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14:09:23  <V453000> !password
14:09:23  <PublicServer> V453000: sensed
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14:10:32  <V453000> OMG
14:10:35  <V453000> !password
14:10:35  <PublicServer> V453000: sensed
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14:10:55  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> having fun V453000
14:10:59  <PublicServer> <V453000> ya rly
14:11:08  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0003DB52:
14:12:26  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> ok my MSH is finshed
14:12:38  <PublicServer> <V453000> :)
14:12:56  <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost)
14:13:07  <V453000> !password
14:13:07  <PublicServer> V453000: nutted
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14:13:22  <PublicServer> <V453000> :(
14:17:00  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Wondering about the station-area around MSH05
14:17:06  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Why does it have 2 entrances and one exit?
14:17:17  <PublicServer> <V453000> isnt it WIP?
14:17:26  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> No WIP-flag
14:17:34  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> But the station isn't placed so... :P
14:17:45  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> There's no WIP-flag on the MSH05 though
14:18:05  <PublicServer> <V453000> I think it is quite obvious that it isnt finished
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14:23:19  <V453000> !password
14:23:19  <PublicServer> V453000: nutted
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14:26:10  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0003D741:
14:26:23  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Uhm... You're the one behind the Brewery-stations V? :)
14:26:43  <V453000> !password
14:26:43  <PublicServer> V453000: donkey
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14:28:51  <V453000> !password
14:28:51  <PublicServer> V453000: donkey
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14:30:36  <V453000> ok
14:30:39  <V453000> I cannot
14:30:49  <V453000> feel free to finish MSH 03 pls
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14:34:18  <Ammler> !rcon net_frame_freq
14:34:18  <PublicServer> Ammler: Current value for 'frame_freq' is: '0' (min: 0, max: 100)
14:34:21  <Ammler> !rcon net_frame_freq 4
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14:37:53  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> V453000: building anything ?
14:37:56  <PublicServer> <V453000> no
14:38:05  <PublicServer> <V453000> finished beer drop
14:38:06  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> I'm just trying something at MSH03
14:38:18  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> But... Dunno how good it'll be
14:38:43  <PublicServer> <V453000> where does that go?
14:38:59  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Down the exit-track just above
14:39:02  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> That's not good?
14:39:30  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Yes
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14:39:46  <Ammler> of course, the czech is working on beer drop ;-)
14:39:48  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> I'm very new to all this complex network-building
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14:40:01  <PublicServer> <V453000> Ammler: :P already dedicated it to smatz
14:40:06  <Ammler> I guess, SmatZ did the pickup?
14:40:11  <PublicServer> <V453000> noo :D
14:40:13  <Ammler> :-)
14:40:22  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Well... I was thinking of connection the 1 track to the other track
14:40:22  <Thorinbur> Hi. According to the webcam something interesting is happening at the server
14:40:30  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> And 2 track to that track
14:40:33  <Thorinbur> !screenshot
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14:40:43  <Thorinbur> !screen
14:40:45  <PublicServer> *** Thorinbur made screenshot at 00022A60:
14:40:46  <V453000> omfg
14:40:53  <V453000> !password
14:40:53  <PublicServer> V453000: donkey
14:41:02  <Ammler> don't drink and play :-P
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14:41:08  <V453000> :|
14:41:10  <Thorinbur> Brewery pickup!
14:41:12  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00023C67:
14:41:12  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Was thinking of connection 1 to A and 2 to B
14:41:27  <Thorinbur> Damn i can't connect now...
14:41:31  <Thorinbur> or...
14:41:36  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> orrr :P
14:41:41  <PublicServer> <V453000> hmm
14:41:48  <PublicServer> <V453000> well there isnt any space for balancing
14:41:54  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> I know :(
14:41:55  <PublicServer> <V453000> lets just say it will be fine
14:42:08  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> We can see how it works under load
14:42:52  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Hmmm
14:43:25  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Ah
14:43:27  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Smart :)
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14:43:48  <PublicServer> <V453000> still it is pretty hard to do anything there :D
14:44:14  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Hmmm
14:44:31  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Gotto redraw 1 a bit
14:45:30  <PublicServer> <V453000> ok
14:45:31  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> That should work... Shouldn't it?
14:45:40  <PublicServer> <V453000> now we need to go to the east from there
14:45:53  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Down by the Arable Farm?
14:46:37  <PublicServer> <V453000> down to the sand pit
14:46:48  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> MSH10?
14:46:55  <PublicServer> <V453000> ???
14:46:58  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Haha
14:46:59  <PublicServer> <V453000> there is no 10
14:47:10  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Oh?
14:47:18  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> I'm... Kind of looking at it right now
14:47:37  <PublicServer> <V453000> )WTF
14:47:48  <PublicServer> <V453000> what is that doing there?
14:47:51  <PublicServer> <V453000> Thorinbur?
14:47:54  <PublicServer> <V453000> what is that meant to be?
14:48:07  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Read notes on Fleningville
14:48:17  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> we should ask the author propably :)
14:48:31  <PublicServer> <V453000> unacceptable
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14:49:39  <Thorinbur> :]
14:49:45  <V453000> !password
14:49:45  <PublicServer> V453000: clinch
14:49:58  <Thorinbur> I decided to move  B here
14:50:05  <V453000> you decided?
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14:50:07  <Thorinbur> a lot more space
14:50:24  <Thorinbur> well i ask some guys and if it is a problem you can demolish it
14:50:26  <PublicServer> <V453000> yes but it has completely wrong position in the network
14:50:42  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> I was here when it was discussed and I agreed
14:50:48  <Thorinbur> And Victor
14:50:50  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> With Thor that is
14:51:09  <PublicServer> <V453000> sorry, but no.
14:51:13  <Thorinbur> ok
14:51:16  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> But we also said that it could easily be demolished :)
14:51:22  <Thorinbur> it may stay as SLH
14:51:40  <PublicServer> <V453000> ok
14:51:53  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Awh... Had already placed the dynamite
14:52:39  <Thorinbur> on the other hand
14:52:48  <Thorinbur> ML 1 pickups Goods
14:53:01  <Thorinbur> I mean inds thre produce it
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14:53:05  <Thorinbur> so drop so close?
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14:53:13  <V453000> yes
14:53:17  <V453000> that is the point
14:53:23  <V453000> and it should not be changed
14:53:24  <PublicServer> <VictorOfSweden> hi all
14:53:26  <V453000> !password
14:53:26  <PublicServer> V453000: clinch
14:53:36  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Still can't get in Thor?
14:53:37  <V453000> hi
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14:55:11  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> How can your connection be this bad V?
14:55:20  <PublicServer> <V453000> you dont know my provider
14:55:27  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> I'm whining when I get disconnected every 4 hours... But you... Got 30 seconds :S
14:55:28  <KenjiE20> easy, most countries are still backwards
14:55:33  <PublicServer> <V453000> :D
14:55:37  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Where are you from?
14:55:38  <PublicServer> <V453000> hey Kenji that was mean :D
14:55:49  <KenjiE20> hey, BT are backwards too
14:55:55  <PublicServer> <V453000> Czech Rep.
14:55:59  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Oh, aight
14:56:14  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0003B0D6:
14:56:22  <PublicServer> <V453000> I just live in a fuckup location
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14:56:48  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Should be illegal to sell such crappy services... No matter in which country you live
14:57:04  <PublicServer> <VictorOfSweden> hey V., what do you way about MSH08?
14:57:13  <PublicServer> <VictorOfSweden> can it stay left hand drive?
14:57:13  <PublicServer> <V453000> the company has in this area has a monopol
14:57:25  <PublicServer> <V453000> I see no reason to rebuild it
14:57:33  <PublicServer> <VictorOfSweden> the i'll remove the sign
14:57:38  <PublicServer> <V453000> additionally the LHD is better then
14:57:39  <PublicServer> <VictorOfSweden> *then
14:57:42  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Ah... Monopol-situations suck no matter what
14:57:53  <PublicServer> <V453000> you placed it that it should need full rebuild?
14:58:17  <PublicServer> <VictorOfSweden> after someone else said it, yes
14:58:30  <PublicServer> <V453000> so you did not think it but you did :D lol
14:59:32  <PublicServer> <VictorOfSweden> pretty much, yes :/
14:59:42  <PublicServer> <V453000> should I comment that ? :)
14:59:53  <Thorinbur> actually i said that after he said that he want to convert it to right hand driving
15:00:03  <Thorinbur> and i said that to do that it would need full rebuild
15:00:13  <PublicServer> <VictorOfSweden> just want to say that the station wasn't built yet by then
15:00:14  <PublicServer> <V453000> lol
15:00:15  <Thorinbur> but i dont think it needfs to be converted
15:00:24  <PublicServer> <VictorOfSweden> at brunnford
15:00:29  <Thorinbur> and i DONT think it needs full rebuild
15:00:51  <PublicServer> <V453000> k ... lets forget it and just say it is ok
15:00:59  <PublicServer> <VictorOfSweden> agreed
15:02:57  <PublicServer> <V453000> what
15:03:04  <Thorinbur> !password
15:03:04  <PublicServer> Thorinbur: placid
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15:03:22  <Webster> Player, please change your in game nick
15:03:24  <PublicServer> <V453000> what was that sign?
15:03:34  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> nvm
15:03:38  <PublicServer> <VictorOfSweden> that sign?
15:03:47  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> There was a sign saying "Sign" :)
15:03:55  <PublicServer> <V453000> whatever
15:04:02  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> wanted to ask whats being built here
15:04:12  <PublicServer> <Player> ..
15:04:13  <PublicServer> <V453000> town drop I guss
15:04:13  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> General Store... Or whatever it's called :)
15:04:18  <PublicServer> <V453000> y
15:04:21  <PublicServer> <Player> I know it doesnt to be doubled
15:04:27  <PublicServer> <Player> Player?
15:04:28  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Please, change nick
15:04:59  <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost)
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15:05:04  <V453000> !password
15:05:04  <PublicServer> V453000: placid
15:05:08  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Hey man :D
15:05:16  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> Sorry not my account
15:05:19  <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game
15:05:23  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> So i lost settings
15:06:31  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> wow!
15:06:33  <PublicServer> <V453000> quite useless advice :)
15:06:48  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> i guess :P
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15:07:21  <V453000> !password
15:07:21  <PublicServer> V453000: placid
15:07:23  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> interesting station
15:07:45  <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game
15:07:59  <PublicServer> <V453000> quite ordinary
15:08:14  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> not gate...
15:08:24  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> transfer in food pickup
15:08:34  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> yeah typica
15:08:38  <PublicServer> <V453000> hmmm
15:09:05  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> dont get it what is what
15:09:07  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> Ohg
15:09:08  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> ok
15:09:19  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> transfer is at drop
15:09:31  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> and than its dividedd by that two trains
15:09:35  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> get it now
15:09:50  <PublicServer> <V453000> WTF IS THIS?
15:09:53  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> last thing why not gate
15:09:54  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Ahemm
15:10:11  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> It's me just waking up...
15:10:50  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> and dont you like our double tuneled terminus station?
15:10:51  <PublicServer> <V453000> 1 thing: better not ever help me unless I ask for it
15:11:04  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Gotcha captain
15:11:11  <PublicServer> <V453000> it is quite ok but there is completely no reason for 2 tunnels :)
15:11:16  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 000397E1:
15:11:47  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> I know, but i wanted it to have them, and there was plenty of space
15:11:54  <PublicServer> <V453000> lol.
15:12:12  <PublicServer> <V453000> you wanted to have them even though they are totally unnecessary? :D
15:12:27  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> We liked it, so we built it :)
15:12:53  <PublicServer> <V453000> well I can not understand that but whatever :) it will work
15:17:42  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> we are closer to putting some Trains into system
15:18:11  <PublicServer> <V453000> all MSHs and stations done first
15:18:27  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> we're about halfway there :)
15:18:31  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> i know but we are almost done
15:18:36  <PublicServer> <V453000> ye
15:18:41  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> that's far from almost :P
15:18:58  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> We're closer we've been before
15:19:03  <PublicServer> <V453000> not that far
15:19:04  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> *You're
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15:22:15  <Doomah> hallokiedokie! =D
15:22:28  <PublicServer> <V453000> wtf.
15:22:46  <PublicServer> <VictorOfSweden> there's a greeting i've never heard before
15:23:07  <PublicServer> <V453000> Doomah: drunk/high?
15:24:56  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> how about: Kaltxì as greeting?
15:25:42  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> :P
15:25:50  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> City council not cooperating?
15:25:54  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> Xd
15:26:18  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00039CC5:
15:26:37  <PublicServer> <V453000> now there isnt that too low space, is it?
15:27:01  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> yeah nice solution.
15:27:29  <PublicServer> <V453000> next time try to solve, not to replan it
15:28:05  <Doomah> i'm not drunken, not high
15:28:07  <Doomah> just happy
15:28:14  <Doomah> the sun is shining!
15:28:18  <PublicServer> <V453000> ok :) thats the same
15:28:37  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Aren't those bridges below desynched?
15:28:50  <PublicServer> <V453000> cant see any
15:28:55  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> well... I took into consideration, that My MSH10 could be demolished or converrtd to SLH
15:28:58  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Aight, my bad then :)
15:29:17  <PublicServer> <V453000> Thorinbur: that is kinda bad consideration :)
15:29:42  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> Why? You were not around so i could ask you
15:30:09  <PublicServer> <V453000> well if you build something and know that it is bad ... then it is a but weird :p
15:33:33  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> i dont get why there is that timer
15:33:51  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> near food pickup in Brevery
15:34:08  <PublicServer> <V453000> not to release trains from oveflow that often?
15:34:09  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> I suppose that when stations are full train makes a loop
15:34:39  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> and why there is road to that station?
15:34:52  <PublicServer> <V453000> ROAD?
15:34:55  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> from the loop
15:34:58  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> track
15:35:09  <PublicServer> <V453000> I dont get you
15:35:24  <PublicServer> <V453000> you mean the PF trap?
15:35:29  <PublicServer> <V453000> yes
15:35:34  <PublicServer> <V453000> that is PF trap
15:35:49  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> PF?
15:35:54  <PublicServer> <V453000> I used this station in the last PSG, in the PSG before it, and another 3 times
15:35:55  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Pathfinder?
15:35:56  <PublicServer> <V453000> yes
15:36:11  <PublicServer> <V453000> it might not be needed here but it is an insurance
15:36:18  <PublicServer> <V453000> that it will work
15:37:05  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> still don't get it...
15:37:08  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Gonna be interesting to see it workk
15:37:09  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> work
15:37:18  <PublicServer> <V453000> as I said ... I am using it often
15:37:32  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> why it is there
15:37:43  <PublicServer> <V453000> mh?
15:37:54  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> that staion...
15:37:58  <PublicServer> <V453000> why not
15:38:16  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Maybe it's tricking the trains in the loop to stay in the loop until they can reach the other station?
15:38:25  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Or rather the pathfinder
15:38:38  <PublicServer> <V453000> if all platforms are full, they get into the depot
15:38:39  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> ok get it now...
15:38:57  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> pathfinder finds another platform
15:39:04  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> 90degree turns turned off?
15:39:13  <PublicServer> <V453000> of course
15:39:19  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> And the timer prevents them from exiting the depot
15:39:24  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Until the timer allows them
15:39:28  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> I know what timer dous
15:39:30  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Clever :)
15:39:44  <PublicServer> <V453000> one of my own designs :)
15:40:12  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> As I said... I'm not used to these more advanced things yet... I hardly managed to make a good and small SLH... :P
15:40:34  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> i know now
15:40:49  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> trains cant get past that rectangle
15:41:03  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> i know
15:41:21  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0003D352:
15:41:25  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> it triks pathfinder so trains takes loop
15:41:37  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> and dont wait in front of station
15:41:39  <PublicServer> <V453000> no they cant
15:41:50  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> That was my question :)
15:41:51  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Thanks
15:41:52  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> woul
15:42:07  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> wouldn't they take the loop without it ?
15:42:14  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur>  i think it is not necesery
15:42:20  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> propably they would
15:42:36  <PublicServer> <V453000> probably is the key workd
15:42:37  <PublicServer> <V453000> word
15:42:39  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Wouldn't they wait at the entrance?
15:42:45  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Maybe not
15:43:07  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Hmm
15:43:14  <PublicServer> <V453000> lol
15:43:20  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Good thing you tested :P
15:43:28  <PublicServer> <V453000> WTF
15:43:30  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> lol
15:43:34  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Maybe make a sharper turn?
15:43:40  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> LOL
15:43:57  <PublicServer> <V453000> this always worked
15:44:00  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> this is exactly the thing i was worried about :)
15:44:15  <PublicServer> <V453000> bullshit
15:44:20  <PublicServer> <V453000> it worked many times before
15:45:17  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> shouldnt signals be reversed?
15:45:20  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Won't it just go into the station now?
15:45:26  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> i admit i saw this overflow stations work, but i've never seen a PF trap like this
15:45:57  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Maybe stop the timer while testing? :)
15:46:16  <PublicServer> <V453000> lol
15:46:17  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> fail
15:46:23  <PublicServer> <V453000> something is wrong
15:46:32  <PublicServer> <VictorOfSweden> obviously :P
15:46:49  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> reverse signals there
15:46:56  <PublicServer> <V453000> bullshit
15:47:22  <PublicServer> <V453000> it has to work
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15:48:06  <Pirate87> !password
15:48:06  <PublicServer> Pirate87: motels
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15:49:45  <Giddorah_> !password
15:49:46  <PublicServer> Giddorah_: motels
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15:49:58  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Did I miss the fix?
15:50:06  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Oh... "Good"
15:50:07  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> not yet
15:50:24  <PublicServer> <V453000> something is wrong with the config
15:51:11  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> i'll be going guys
15:51:13  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Why would it prefer that track? It's not even a station there
15:51:19  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> See you later Pirate
15:51:20  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> cya later or tomorrow
15:51:36  <PublicServer> <Pirate87> good luck with that station
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15:51:43  <PublicServer> <V453000> ok I got no idea
15:51:54  <PublicServer> <V453000> the config is weird though
15:52:05  <PublicServer> <V453000> besides that trains turn back from signals after a while
15:52:25  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> this is normal
15:52:34  <PublicServer> <V453000> no this isnt
15:52:39  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> well this is
15:52:41  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> They usually do that on regular servers, don't they?
15:52:47  <PublicServer> <V453000> what is regular
15:52:50  <PublicServer> <V453000> are  we regular?
15:52:53  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> i always had that localy
15:53:02  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> at all build
15:53:07  <PublicServer> <V453000> unacceptable for openttdcoop
15:53:14  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Regular = Just starting a game on a fresh installation
15:53:17  <PublicServer> <V453000> we always have it off
15:53:23  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> well i'd like to know that how to prevent that
15:53:24  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Can't you turn it off?
15:53:41  <PublicServer> <V453000> I can
15:54:01  <PublicServer> <V453000> it is one of the config values wait for signal
15:54:16  <PublicServer> <V453000> where should be value ... 255  if I remember well
15:55:30  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Hmmm... It did something else this time
15:55:50  <PublicServer> <V453000> good job
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15:55:57  <PublicServer> <V453000> idiots :)
15:56:06  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Wait
15:56:17  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Isn't there supposed to be PBS-signals between the entrances?
15:56:20  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> that was not me
15:56:23  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0003DB54:
15:56:27  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Me neither... I wouldn't dare
15:56:33  <V453000> I am callinig the trains idiots, not you lol :D
15:56:39  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> :P
15:56:40  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Oh :D
15:56:54  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> last time i touched skip signal  i crashed trains
15:57:07  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> later the same game i did exactly the same...
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15:57:24  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Shouldn't those be PBS?
15:57:24  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> now i don't touch that option nowhere else than local
15:57:33  <PublicServer> <V453000> no they shouldnt
15:57:36  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Aight
15:57:48  <PublicServer> <V453000> that would be MUCH worse :)
15:57:53  <PublicServer> <V453000> it slows
15:58:14  <V453000> !rcon set wait_oneway_signal = 255
15:58:14  <PublicServer> V453000: - Change setting for all clients. Usage: 'setting <name> [<value>]'
15:58:14  <PublicServer> V453000: - Omitting <value> will print out the current value of the setting.
15:58:22  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> PBS-signals wasn't around when I used to play, so I'm not really familiar to them :P
15:58:36  <V453000> !rcon set wait_twoway_signal = 255
15:58:37  <PublicServer> V453000: - Change setting for all clients. Usage: 'setting <name> [<value>]'
15:58:37  <PublicServer> V453000: - Omitting <value> will print out the current value of the setting.
15:58:47  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> What about making the entrance to the pf-trap a 90 degree turn?
15:58:53  <Thorinbur> no equal mark
15:58:54  <PeterT> V453000: !rcon set "wait_twoway_signal 255"
15:59:04  <V453000> oh
15:59:11  <V453000> !rcon set "wait_twoway_signal 255"
15:59:11  <PublicServer> V453000: 'wait_twoway_signal 255' is an unknown setting.
15:59:16  <V453000> unknown
15:59:32  <V453000> oh I see
15:59:37  <Thorinbur> V: !rcon set wait_twoway_signal 255
15:59:41  <V453000> !rcon set wait_oneway_signal 255
15:59:44  <V453000> yes yes
15:59:45  <Thorinbur> :]
15:59:51  <V453000> I just copied it from config with the =
16:00:05  <V453000> !rcon set wait_twoway_signal 255
16:00:19  <V453000> !rcon set wait_for_pbs_path 255
16:00:34  <V453000> !rcon set reserve_paths false
16:00:36  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> What about the 90 degree turn idea? :P
16:00:49  <PublicServer> <V453000> completely wrong :)
16:00:52  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Aight :)
16:01:12  <PublicServer> <V453000> this has to work
16:01:23  <PublicServer> <V453000> it always did
16:01:35  <Ammler> what about !setdef?
16:01:49  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> There we go
16:01:50  <PublicServer> <V453000> good idea
16:01:50  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> :)
16:02:10  <V453000> just !setdef?
16:02:16  <V453000> is the command?
16:02:21  <V453000> anyways it works now :)
16:02:28  <Ammler> run it
16:02:33  <V453000> !setdef
16:02:33  <PublicServer> *** V453000 has disabled wait_for_pbs_path, wait_twoway_signal, wait_oneway_signal, ai_in_multiplayer; enabled no_servicing_if_no_breakdowns, extra_dynamite, mod_road_rebuild, forbid_90_deg, rail_firstred_twoway_eol and set path_backoff_interval to 1, train_acceleration_model to 1
16:03:01  <V453000> yes I know that already :) just did it manually ... thx anyways :) something could have been not-yet-set
16:03:02  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Disabled wait_twoway_signal ?
16:03:19  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> It's not supposed to wait at all? :P
16:03:27  <PublicServer> <V453000> ok guys test is over, can I depot the trains?
16:03:34  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> By all means
16:03:34  <Ammler> you didn't set path_backoff_interval
16:03:41  <PublicServer> <V453000> right
16:03:53  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Off to the stores... See you all later
16:04:01  <Thorinbur> extra_dynamite ??
16:04:02  <PublicServer> <V453000> cya
16:05:20  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Connection seems better now btw V :)
16:05:28  <PublicServer> <V453000> yeah
16:05:45  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> ISP got tired of pushing the red Disconnect OTTD-button
16:06:31  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> what did you changed (other than config?)
16:06:40  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> nothing? Config repaired this?
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16:07:24  <PublicServer> <V453000> I told you this works
16:08:08  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> welll left hand drive on purpose if well...
16:08:15  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> that was mistake :P
16:08:20  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> not really on purpose
16:08:23  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> :]
16:08:32  <PublicServer> <V453000> who cares about that
16:08:37  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> Victor:P
16:08:46  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> started rebuild yestrerday
16:09:02  <PublicServer> <V453000> lol then
16:09:05  <PublicServer> <VictorOfSweden> i'm ok with it
16:09:09  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> :]
16:09:33  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> yeah right. Thats why i had to rebuild part of it :P
16:10:19  <PublicServer> <VictorOfSweden> well, now i am
16:11:25  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0002277F:
16:16:41  <Chris_Booth> !password
16:16:41  <PublicServer> Chris_Booth: delves
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16:16:52  <PublicServer> <V453000> hi CB
16:17:00  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> hi V and everyone
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16:22:59  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Bcak
16:23:03  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Back
16:23:07  <PeterT> @away
16:23:07  <Webster> No away nicks/messages please (
16:23:34  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Hmm... Yes?
16:26:27  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0001A476:
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16:27:05  <PublicServer> <V453000> CB: why almost no grfs for stations? :(
16:27:23  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> there are enough?
16:27:37  <PublicServer> <V453000> there is not industrial renewal nor freight stations
16:27:42  <PublicServer> <V453000> the most important industrial
16:28:03  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> oops
16:28:30  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> i am going to leave with embarasment
16:28:35  <PublicServer> <V453000> :)
16:30:18  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> ok so this desync is ok?
16:30:29  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> or i am missing something?
16:30:30  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> in a pickup station yes
16:30:38  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> ok
16:31:18  <PublicServer> <V453000> well in some drops too - when there more than 1 types of cargo dropped
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16:32:33  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> not everything needs to be synced
16:32:42  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> only realy ML bridges
16:32:48  <PublicServer> <V453000> yes
16:32:49  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> and BBH and MSH bridges
16:33:03  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> i never sync my SLHs
16:33:14  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> and only very busy drops the only drop 1 cargo
16:34:39  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> What are you doing at Great Fleningville Heights station?
16:34:47  <PublicServer> <V453000> just a trainyard
16:35:15  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> For showing the different trains?
16:36:53  <`Fuco`> !dl win64
16:36:53  <PublicServer> `Fuco`:
16:37:30  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> i am not a fan of making big stations on hills
16:37:37  <PublicServer> <V453000> who is :)
16:37:47  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> Mark was
16:38:09  <PublicServer> <V453000> didnt know that :)
16:38:25  <PublicServer> <V453000> well ... in hills ... this might be a bit extreme
16:41:29  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0003D7E1:
16:47:27  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> only pickup? And drop where?
16:47:50  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> to be built its WIP
16:48:04  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> but all workers are on strike
16:48:40  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> my workers always go on strike
16:48:46  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> half way into the project
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16:51:37  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> Strike in progres?
16:51:38  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> :P
16:53:01  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> yeah strike in progress
16:53:06  <Radicalimero> !password
16:53:06  <PublicServer> Radicalimero: barley
16:53:11  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> we are currently in talks with unions
16:53:13  <PublicServer> <V453000> CB lazy? :D
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16:53:18  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> but it isnt looking good
16:53:26  <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost)
16:53:31  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> V453000:  what are you talking about?
16:53:35  <V453000> :)
16:53:37  <V453000> !passworx
16:53:40  <V453000> !password
16:53:40  <PublicServer> V453000: barley
16:53:55  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> this is the second strike in as many major projects for me
16:53:59  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> my PZ strike
16:54:05  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> now my strike on here
16:54:14  <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game
16:54:15  <V453000> lol
16:54:15  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> looks like i needs a new labour force
16:54:25  <PublicServer> <V453000> u need beer
16:54:45  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> no at the moment
16:54:50  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> i am on a detox
16:54:54  <PublicServer> <V453000> o_O
16:56:31  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0003CFE1:
16:57:00  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> i am rebuilding the PZ cities with Total Towns
16:57:05  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> to stop the lag
16:57:05  <PublicServer> <V453000> oh
16:57:10  <PublicServer> <V453000> wow
16:57:30  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> Total towns?
16:57:42  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> a town set
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17:03:41  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> What's everyone up to?
17:03:52  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> You building anything Thor?
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17:04:14  <Ben_Totterdell> !password
17:04:14  <PublicServer> Ben_Totterdell: nooned
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17:04:26  <PublicServer> <V453000> heyy Ben
17:05:33  <PublicServer> <Ben Totterdell> hi
17:05:44  <PublicServer> <V453000> your stations require some love :p
17:06:09  <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost)
17:06:10  <PublicServer> <Ben Totterdell> i removed her
17:06:16  <V453000> !password
17:06:16  <PublicServer> V453000: nooned
17:06:21  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> I don't
17:06:23  <PeterT> we should update, that way we can play with realistic accel
17:06:35  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Update?
17:06:42  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> it's off?
17:06:44  <V453000> Peter: ?
17:07:03  <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost)
17:07:10  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> It's on
17:07:23  <V453000> omg
17:07:25  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> V's connection messing up again?
17:07:27  <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game
17:07:53  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Is there anywhere where you can see server info?
17:07:55  <PublicServer> <Ben Totterdell> anything much need doing?
17:08:10  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> MSH05
17:09:07  <PublicServer> <Ben Totterdell> it only needs one more merger
17:09:15  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> And the station :P
17:09:16  <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost)
17:09:30  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> V: Aren't there any internet cafe's around or something?
17:09:37  <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost)
17:09:44  <V453000> !password
17:09:44  <PublicServer> V453000: nooned
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17:10:08  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> V: Is the stations around MSH03 ready?
17:10:12  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> *done
17:10:20  <KenjiE20> Giddorah_:
17:10:21  <PublicServer> <V453000> these two should be
17:10:22  <PublicServer> <V453000> why
17:10:35  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Just wondering about those signs you put there about finishing them if you couldn't
17:10:54  <PublicServer> <V453000> well there is also the other side
17:11:05  <PublicServer> <V453000> where are supposed to be another two
17:11:05  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> What stations gonna be there? :)
17:11:12  <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost)
17:11:21  <V453000> read it up
17:11:30  <V453000> at the ! industry areas
17:11:35  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 000072A9:
17:11:40  <V453000> I will come back later
17:11:55  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> Glas works Plastic plannt
17:12:34  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> ok acordint to Industry list:
17:12:43  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Cement, Machine, Glass and Plastics?
17:13:23  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Glass and Plastics left then? Or am I reading the list wrong?
17:13:59  <planetmaker> ".../old.icaps/pfc052006/auswertung/flug1_13/23.05.2006_parabola13_over
17:13:59  <planetmaker> view_frame00267_T05922001.bmp: file name too long to be stored in a GNU
17:13:59  <planetmaker> multivolume header, truncated
17:13:59  <planetmaker> " <--- grr... I hate to see such messages from my backup script...
17:14:22  <V453000> whats that?
17:15:02  <planetmaker> a tar message
17:15:09  <V453000> hmmm
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17:18:33  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> V. Your stations at MSH07 are done right (near lake rider
17:19:02  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> if so i will add info at industry area that area 7 is half done.
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17:20:37  <planetmaker> @calc 2*54
17:20:37  <Webster> planetmaker: 108
17:20:40  <planetmaker> hm...
17:21:07  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Webster... That reminds me of Band of Brothers
17:21:34  <PublicServer> *** Peter has left the game (connection lost)
17:22:24  <Thorinbur> tell me you were testing script
17:22:36  <Thorinbur> you realy used webster to calculate that?
17:22:45  <Thorinbur> heh we become really lazy.
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17:24:42  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> hmmm... 4 more station pairs left
17:24:59  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> one is Chris's WIP (SIP)
17:25:02  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> so 3 more left
17:26:26  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> area 5 is connected trough some crazy anonymous MSH
17:26:35  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> area 3 is started by V.
17:26:37  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0002B2B9:
17:26:39  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> so really one left
17:27:01  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Area 4?
17:27:08  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> area 7, but it's started by Ben
17:27:23  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Ah
17:27:29  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> so nothing left?
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17:27:52  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> or one of those is open to finish?
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17:28:03  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> I want to see some trains!
17:28:14  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Shouldn't the MSH05-station be up for grabs since it's unclaimed?
17:28:15  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> and i am ready to build some stations to make it happen:]
17:28:55  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> well MSH05 is quite strange so i suppose autor had something in mind here
17:29:39  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> and dont have merge to the west
17:30:14  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Oh well... Nothing then :P
17:32:21  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Hmmm... Stopped trains cost nothing here?
17:32:29  <Thorinbur> ??
17:32:35  <Thorinbur> i think they do
17:32:38  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Nope
17:32:41  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Check economy
17:32:49  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Or rather... Click any train in the list that's stopped :P
17:32:55  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> o.O
17:35:36  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> looks like maintance cost is only valid for moving trains
17:35:42  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Yeah
17:35:45  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Noticed that too :P
17:36:25  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> What is the "Other" cost in the economy-window that is there every year?
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17:40:33  <Thorinbur> I don't know
17:40:37  <Thorinbur> maybe a bug
17:40:45  <Thorinbur> i got this with new company
17:40:49  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Sigh... Bugs that cost money... No good
17:41:24  <Thorinbur> without single building and with payed debt
17:41:47  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Must be wages to the economy assistant that draws those numbers then
17:42:06  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Or it's embezzelment to the retirement fund of the programmers who made all of this possible?
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17:44:23  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Hmm... Thor... Check !Hmm?
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17:49:06  <Starn> !revision
17:49:06  <PublicServer> Starn: Game version is r19253
17:52:29  <Starn> !dl win64
17:52:29  <PublicServer> Starn:
17:52:57  <PeterT> !tell Starn autoupdate
17:52:57  <PublicServer> PeterT: unknown command "autoupdate"
17:53:03  <PeterT> !tell Starn !dl autoupdate
17:53:03  <PublicServer> Starn:
17:53:13  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> ok
17:53:17  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> wait
17:53:40  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> lol?
17:53:49  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> welll that doesnt hurt but
17:53:52  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> why?
17:53:53  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Sure
17:53:58  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> But... Who and why? :P
17:54:18  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> To what extent are we supposed to save the beautiful trees? :
17:54:20  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> :P
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17:54:57  <planetmaker> more important: use @quickstart
17:55:00  <Starn> !grfs
17:55:02  <planetmaker> @quickstart
17:55:04  <Webster> Quickstart - #openttdcoop Wiki -
17:55:05  <planetmaker> ^ Starn
17:55:13  <Ammler> @slowstart
17:55:13  <Webster> Read everything on the wiki, and I mean everything
17:55:22  <planetmaker> ^  The much better version ;-)
17:55:28  <KenjiE20> heh, another migrant from #openttd
17:55:31  <Giddorah_> Sigh... Hit Giant Screenshot instead of "About OpenTTD"...
17:55:40  <PeterT> haha, Giddorah
17:55:42  <Giddorah_> !password
17:55:42  <PublicServer> Giddorah_: ascent
17:55:43  <planetmaker> Might even be that I followed that slowstart when I joined 30 months ago ;-)
17:55:44  <PeterT> Good luck with your hard drive
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17:56:10  <Giddorah_> Where do the screenshots end up?
17:56:13  <Giddorah_> I'm curious
17:56:20  <planetmaker> your openttd data dir
17:56:23  <PeterT> ~/OpenTTD/
17:56:25  <Giddorah_> Ah, sweet
17:56:33  <PeterT> planetmaker: If you mean /data, no
17:56:33  <Giddorah_> 68 Mb PNG-Image :P
17:56:39  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00032A40:
17:56:39  <KenjiE20> same place as your config file
17:56:44  <KenjiE20> wherever that happens to be
17:56:44  <planetmaker> PeterT, that dir is sure to not exist, PeterT
17:56:51  <Giddorah_> Let's see it opened
17:56:58  <PeterT> DONT OPEN IT.
17:57:02  <KenjiE20> Giddorah_: 68Mb compressed
17:57:11  <KenjiE20> about 1Gb decompressed
17:57:17  <planetmaker> :-D
17:57:23  <KenjiE20> have fun with that
17:57:26  <Giddorah_> Well... I'm not too worried about that :) It's opened and looking good :)
17:57:38  <Giddorah_> Damn! It really shows everything :O
17:57:45  <PeterT> [12:56:56] <PeterT> DONT OPEN IT.
17:57:49  <Giddorah_> Can zoom in just like in real game :D
17:58:00  <planetmaker> hehe :-)
17:58:13  <planetmaker> yes, a screenshot for the whole map
17:58:23  <planetmaker> nasty albeit nice, too
17:58:24  <Giddorah_> Indeed... Never seen a giant screenshot befoer :)
17:58:29  <Giddorah_> before*
17:58:42  <planetmaker> it just eats disk space like no tomorrow
17:58:48  <planetmaker> *there is
17:59:07  <Giddorah_> Lucky that I've got a raptor-disk so it doesn't take long to open :)
17:59:46  <Giddorah_> I did get kicked out of the game for doing it though
18:00:04  <Giddorah_> Maybe the server didn't like that I wanted to see every bit of detail at the same time? :P
18:00:09  <KenjiE20> you didn't get kciked
18:00:12  <KenjiE20> kicked*
18:00:18  <KenjiE20> you just took too long to save
18:00:23  <Giddorah_> Ah, okay
18:00:27  <PeterT> Giddorah_: You dysynced
18:00:31  <PeterT> *desynced
18:01:07  <Giddorah_> Too bad I can't see how much memory I'm using when browsing the image
18:02:03  <Giddorah_> Crazy detail though
18:02:15  <Giddorah_> Well :) That was fun... Wish I could de-activate that though :P
18:03:05  <Giddorah_> PNG's really don't mess up colors
18:03:08  <Giddorah_> Incredible
18:03:19  <KenjiE20> That's the idea
18:03:22  <Giddorah_> I'm max zoomed in now and I can't see any color saturation at all
18:03:34  <KenjiE20> png's work off palettes iirc
18:03:43  <Giddorah_> Ah, explains it
18:03:52  <KenjiE20> I could be talking out my rear though
18:04:04  <Thorinbur> hmmm you using windows right?
18:04:11  <Giddorah_> W7 yes
18:04:14  * KenjiE20 isn't that interested in that sort of thing
18:04:21  <Thorinbur> ctrl+ shift + esc
18:04:25  <Thorinbur> proceses
18:04:30  <Giddorah_> It does appear a little "foggy" when zoomed out though
18:04:41  <Giddorah_> Thor: It doesn't show how much is used by the image-viewer though
18:04:44  <Thorinbur> and look how much memory your graphic program uses
18:04:50  <KenjiE20> Giddorah_: that should be extected with x000 x x000 images
18:05:00  <KenjiE20> expected*
18:05:04  <Thorinbur> well than add that tab to the list
18:05:15  <Thorinbur> my manager shows memory usage
18:05:26  <Giddorah_> It says that it's using 11Mb
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18:05:59  <Giddorah_> But I find that quite hard to believe if the uncompressed image is at 1gb
18:06:10  <Giddorah_> OpenTTD is using 17Mb... :P
18:06:26  <Thorinbur> firefox 170...
18:06:32  <Thorinbur> hate firefox...
18:06:35  <Giddorah_> Don't use Fx
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18:06:43  <Thorinbur> i use chrome
18:06:47  <Giddorah_> My IE uses about 110Mb though with 8 tabs
18:06:55  <Thorinbur> IE?
18:06:57  <Thorinbur> WOW
18:07:07  <PeterT> Giddorah_: noooob
18:07:10  <Thorinbur> someone using IE tells me not to use Firefox?
18:07:13  <Thorinbur> wow!
18:07:24  <Giddorah_> Haha... Nono... You're free to use whatever you like :)
18:07:30  <Thorinbur> IE is program u use to download web browser
18:07:30  <Giddorah_> I find Fx too memory-hungry though
18:07:41  <Thorinbur> I use Chrome now
18:07:50  <Giddorah_> I don't like the design of Chrome :P
18:07:51  <Thorinbur> quick, clear and small
18:08:03  <Thorinbur> i get used to it quite quicly
18:08:11  <Giddorah_> I was gonna use Opera 10.50 if they finally made every tab in a separate process
18:08:20  <Thorinbur> still i have firefox with some nice plugins installed
18:08:27  <Razaekel> chrome does that, i think
18:08:31  <Thorinbur> yeah
18:08:32  <KenjiE20> heh, Firefox 2 was awful for memory
18:08:36  <Giddorah_> Chrome, Fx and IE does that
18:08:37  <Razaekel> but firefox > all
18:08:43  <KenjiE20> I had it eat about 500Mb once
18:08:53  <KenjiE20> yes it was a fair amount of tabs
18:08:53  <Giddorah_> Yeah... Fx 2 was really horrible
18:09:04  <Giddorah_> Fx3 is much better
18:09:09  <Giddorah_> But still not as good as IE :)
18:09:10  <Thorinbur> Well firefox got bug and sometimes it was eating ram
18:09:14  <KenjiE20> I can have the same amount in FF3 and only ever hit 110Mc
18:09:16  <KenjiE20> Mb*
18:09:22  <Thorinbur> It was growing and growing
18:09:37  <Thorinbur> until it reached my Rams capacity
18:09:43  <Giddorah_> Having high hopes on IE9 though
18:09:44  <Thorinbur> hanged comp for some time
18:09:47  <KenjiE20> Thunderbird 3 is a smorgasm of email and feedly goodness now
18:09:49  <Thorinbur> and than drop
18:09:50  <Giddorah_> They've done quite some work on it
18:10:10  <Thorinbur> IE: you browse internet
18:10:15  <Thorinbur> internet browse you
18:10:26  <KenjiE20> cue: soviet russia
18:10:40  <Giddorah_> IE does what I want it to do :) Browse the web for me :)
18:10:58  <Giddorah_> And I always find little things I'm not used to that bugs me in other browsers
18:11:18  <Giddorah_> The power of being lazy :P
18:11:30  <Giddorah_> It's like the OpenGFX-project for OpenTTD
18:11:39  <Giddorah_> It's the same game... But I really can't enjoy it as much
18:11:56  <Thorinbur> I never use IE
18:11:56  <Giddorah_> If the toolbars could be the same I would enjoy it just as much though
18:11:59  <Thorinbur> Funny thing
18:12:04  <Thorinbur> I dont use IE
18:12:10  <Thorinbur> still when i scan for spyware
18:12:30  <Thorinbur> i got plenty of tracking cookie from IE, and couple from FX
18:12:45  <Giddorah_> Well... Cookies are saved in the same location for all browsers, aren't they?
18:12:46  <Giddorah_> :P
18:13:02  <Giddorah_> The giant screenshot was 4Gb unpacked btw
18:13:27  <Giddorah_> Love the memory management in W7
18:14:32  <KenjiE20> quite
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18:15:32  <Thorinbur> I do really have to finally download W7 and reinstal my Vista
18:15:36  <Thorinbur> brrr...
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18:15:59  <Giddorah_> W7 is the first OS I've payed for since Windows 98... :P
18:16:08  <Thorinbur> Vista, but only original ystem i have at home (if not counting Ubuntu)
18:16:15  <Thorinbur> but ubuntu is on PC
18:16:31  <Thorinbur> and i have no heart to format my laptop
18:16:41  <Thorinbur> and my DVD-RW is broken...
18:16:48  <Giddorah_> I got Ubuntu, Mandriva, Hackintosh and Windows 7 on my computer... Hardly ever boot the others since I installed W7
18:16:57  <Thorinbur> need to buy external drive
18:17:26  <Thorinbur> well by download i mean
18:17:35  <Thorinbur> download with my academic license
18:17:39  <Thorinbur> ^^
18:17:40  <Giddorah_> Cheater :P
18:17:56  <Giddorah_> Well... Better than legally downloading it from any torrent-tracker :P
18:17:56  <Thorinbur> why it's perfectly legal
18:18:11  <Thorinbur> hate pirates
18:18:20  <Thorinbur> they are killing PCs
18:18:24  <Giddorah_> Yup
18:18:42  <hylje> pirates are curing the cancer that is killing PCs
18:18:43  <Thorinbur> and developers
18:18:52  <Giddorah_> There are two kinds of people that I really hate... People that pirate OS'es and people that disable automatic updates...
18:19:09  <Thorinbur> well i have AU disabled
18:19:09  <hylje> software is trivial to distribute
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18:19:24  <hylje> software is *not* trivial to use effectively
18:19:37  <Thorinbur> but still download many updates
18:19:49  <Thorinbur> but manualy not when windows thinks its good time
18:19:55  <Giddorah_> By disabling I mean never updating
18:20:19  <Thorinbur> My system was not ormated for 3 years
18:20:22  <Giddorah_> Then they complain about getting rootkits and viruses and shit... And they're on a Windows XP SP0 IE6-computer
18:20:26  <Thorinbur> and runs preety good
18:20:38  <Giddorah_> Saying it's all Microsoft's fault :P
18:20:59  <Giddorah_> While the blackhat-guys are grinding their computers with adware :P
18:22:04  <Thorinbur> what is this new fashion on YT
18:22:15  <Thorinbur> Did he/she die?
18:23:06  <PublicServer> *** Kenji joined the game
18:23:16  <Thorinbur> almost every single film on YT got this on first page of comments
18:23:49  <PublicServer> <Kenji> why are you paying attention to youtube commenters?
18:23:51  <hylje> viral advertising
18:25:31  <Thorinbur> well sometimes coments makes video even funier
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18:31:28  <PeterT> Thanks for the rewrite, KenjiE20
18:31:33  <PeterT> You saved me a lot of work :-P
18:32:21  <PeterT> "!Though currently, loading anything other than game.sav sends a bad command and may fail to load"
18:32:32  <PeterT> Shouldn't that be reported to #codecubes?
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19:10:20  <LA> Guten Abend :)
19:11:29  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> i am off now
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19:22:48  <V453000> !password
19:22:48  <PublicServer> V453000: helper
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19:23:08  <PublicServer> <V453000> O_O
19:23:13  <PublicServer> <V453000> no one here in the evening?
19:25:17  <V453000> hmmm
19:26:00  <Giddorah_> I was, but noone was doing anything
19:26:20  <PublicServer> <V453000> wanna join me?
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19:26:59  <Giddorah_> Sure
19:27:10  <Giddorah_> !password
19:27:10  <PublicServer> Giddorah_: shrimp
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19:29:48  <V453000> !password
19:29:48  <PublicServer> V453000: shrimp
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19:31:52  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Packaging train and goods-train is very very similar :S
19:32:15  <PublicServer> <V453000> well we dont have more wagons
19:32:21  <PublicServer> <V453000> and I am trying to make them different
19:32:29  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Aight :)
19:32:35  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Not much else you can do I guess :)
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19:45:52  <V453000> !password
19:45:52  <PublicServer> V453000: hunger
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19:51:59  <Thorinbur> !password
19:51:59  <PublicServer> Thorinbur: hunger
19:52:07  <Thorinbur> Let me help you :P
19:52:23  <PublicServer> <V453000> :)
19:52:26  <planetmaker> lool
19:52:33  * planetmaker waves hello
19:52:34  <Giddorah> Stupid ISP...
19:52:38  <V453000> hi pm
19:52:40  <Thorinbur> but wait a sec cos this build starst äuite slow
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19:56:38  <Ryt0n> is there any sense to find in the screenshot made around 20:41?
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19:56:53  <PeterT>;O=A
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19:58:18  <Ryt0n> yes, I know its been taken every 15mins
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19:58:27  <Ryt0n> but what is build there, does it make sense?
19:58:30  <V453000> !password
19:58:31  <PublicServer> V453000: molted
19:58:45  <V453000> guess
19:58:45  <Thorinbur> You mean train yard?
19:58:51  <V453000>  ž
19:58:52  <V453000> ^
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19:59:11  <Ryt0n> yeah
19:59:20  <Thorinbur> It makes sense. It is much easier to create new trains since you clone ones from TY
19:59:34  <Ryt0n> ah ok, thats the train yard... sorry :-)
19:59:36  <Thorinbur> and they are automaticaly added to the groups
19:59:47  <Ryt0n> again, difference between theory (the wiki) and reality is quite shocknig :p
20:00:05  <Phazorx> shocking in what way?
20:00:13  <Ryt0n> I thought trains in the yard were ment just to be inside a depot :p
20:00:33  <Thorinbur> they are always exposed
20:00:34  <PublicServer> <V453000> is that a key difference?
20:00:36  <Phazorx> it's easierto clone themlike this
20:00:41  <Ryt0n> I just tought the "yard" would be a depot stuffed in a corner, nothing more
20:00:51  <Ryt0n> oki :-) makes sense now :p :-)
20:00:56  <Ryt0n> thanks for the explanation
20:00:58  <Thorinbur> most of the time simple one near another
20:01:11  <Thorinbur> but V. wants to make an Eye candy
20:01:12  <Ryt0n> so, this means: its cloning time already?
20:01:19  <Ryt0n> arent there some stations to be build, still?
20:01:35  <PublicServer> <V453000> you answered yourself basically
20:02:01  <Thorinbur> no but many stations are WIP so we are waiting for creators to finish
20:02:20  <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost)
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20:02:33  <V453000> !password
20:02:33  <PublicServer> V453000: molted
20:03:08  <Ryt0n> ok. and then: next phases are building industries & start cloning?
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20:05:31  <Giddorah> !password
20:05:31  <PublicServer> Giddorah: molted
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20:05:45  <PublicServer> <Ryton> brewery drop has become a nice station
20:07:10  <PublicServer> <V453000> :)
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20:08:11  <V453000> !password
20:08:11  <PublicServer> V453000: molted
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20:09:22  <Pirate87> !screen
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20:11:49  <V453000> !password
20:11:49  <PublicServer> V453000: juggle
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20:14:38  <PublicServer> <Ryton> "RV" = road vehicles? is that implemented already?
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20:14:45  <V453000> unbelieveable
20:14:50  <V453000> what Ryton?
20:15:06  <PublicServer> <Ryton> your FIRS solution => bring Engineering/ farm supplies by "RV"
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20:15:15  <PeterT> V453000: LOL
20:15:16  <Webster> Title: #openttdcoop quotes: quote #19 (at
20:15:35  <V453000> :)
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20:16:57  <V453000> k
20:17:02  <V453000> trainyard is done
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20:17:46  <V453000> Peter: whats funny about that anyways?
20:18:53  <PeterT> it's soooo funny
20:19:17  <PeterT> You said "I haven't played with myself in a long time"
20:19:27  <V453000> hmmm
20:19:38  <Giddorah> It means masturbate
20:19:41  <PeterT> You should've said "I haven't played by myself in a long time"
20:19:43  <PeterT> Right
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20:19:54  <V453000> whatever :D
20:20:05  <Giddorah> = "I haven't masturbated in a long time"
20:20:14  <OwenS> Giddorah: You're doing it wrong! You're supposed to keep the inuendo going for longer!
20:20:26  <Giddorah> I know, but I'm getting tired
20:20:30  <Giddorah> Had a bad night's sleep
20:20:40  <PeterT> Giddorah: So go to sleep and let us deal with it! :-P
20:20:48  <Giddorah> Hehe, go ahead
20:20:49  <virtual> !password
20:20:50  <PublicServer> virtual: juggle
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20:25:46  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Oooooh!
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20:26:30  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> Oooooh??
20:26:34  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> TL is amount of cells and not amount of wagons?
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20:26:49  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> nice enlighting
20:27:06  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Haha... I'm so slow atm
20:27:15  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> But that's quite good to know... :P
20:27:20  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> :]
20:28:10  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> You can dowload some archive games
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20:28:42  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Yeah I will when I have refueled my energy-levels :P
20:29:19  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> I slept to 2 pm today (i love weekends_
20:29:38  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> and i will be staying to whenever oscars ends:P
20:29:45  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> I was awakened by a vacuuming neighbor at 07AM
20:29:50  <Chris_Booth> V453000: you arround?
20:30:01  <V453000> yes
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20:30:20  <Chris_Booth> good good
20:30:29  <V453000> why? :)
20:30:32  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> So I went to knock on their door... Unfortunately I picked the wrong neighbour and woke up another neighboru
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20:35:33  <Giddorah> Isn't there a gallery for the "webcam"-pictures? Where you can browse thumbnails and such?
20:36:01  <virtual> I am completely new to openttdcoop and I have a few questions lol
20:36:06  <Chris_Booth> there is an archive Giddorah
20:36:18  <Chris_Booth> virtual: have you read the quickstart guide?
20:36:35  <virtual> yes
20:37:13  <Chris_Booth> then fire away with the questions
20:37:15  <Giddorah> Chris_Booth: An archive yeah... But no real gallery... Oh well, no biggie :)
20:38:35  <virtual> the stuff you guys are building looks awfully complicated
20:38:46  <KenjiE20> that's not a question
20:38:48  <virtual> how do you know you won't get a huge crash or traffic jam when you finally put trains on it lol?
20:38:53  <V453000> that isnt a question :P
20:39:10  <KenjiE20> signals too obvious?
20:39:49  <V453000> virtual: if you check the archive you can see mostly no jams or crashes :P
20:39:51  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Do as I did :) Take a few moments to study the network and preferrably try finding someone who is building and watch what they're doing
20:39:58  <virtual> what archive is this?  lol
20:40:04  <KenjiE20> !archive
20:40:04  <PublicServer> KenjiE20: http://www.openttdcoop.ORG/wiki/PublicServer:Archive | |
20:40:30  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Signals is the key though :P
20:40:31  <Ammler> you can use !getsave :-)
20:40:36  <Ammler> !getsave
20:40:36  <PublicServer> Ammler: !getsave <url>: downloads the save from given <url>
20:40:52  <KenjiE20> ?
20:41:27  <Ammler> to load a save
20:41:37  <KenjiE20> ??
20:41:42  <Ammler> without ssh :-D
20:41:47  <PeterT> They are talking about archives, Ammler
20:41:52  <KenjiE20> ???
20:41:52  <Thorinbur> ???
20:41:55  <PeterT> ???
20:41:57  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> ???
20:42:03  <Ammler> and me is talking to V453000
20:42:16  <KenjiE20> wrong channel
20:42:19  <Thorinbur> Lol a lot of confusion
20:42:24  <V453000> what? :D
20:42:27  <Ammler> indeed, sorry
20:42:58  <Thorinbur> Nice sync with the actual topic here
20:43:40  <virtual> is there also a way to get the specific version of OpenTTD used for each game?
20:43:45  <KenjiE20> this is about the only IRC channel, ever to have conversations ON topic :P
20:44:01  <KenjiE20> virtual: re-read quickstart
20:44:02  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> It's in the quickstart :P
20:44:08  <KenjiE20> :D
20:45:00  <Ammler> virtual: the current used version "should" be able to load all games from archive
20:45:17  <V453000> yeah
20:45:19  <Ammler> else please report...
20:45:26  <V453000> only problem is sometimes with old grf
20:45:46  <VictorOfSweden> virtual: just say "!dl"
20:45:47  <Ammler> yes, the time, where grf list aren't saved in the save
20:46:02  <Ammler> but that isn't a issue of openttd, rather of our saves
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20:46:15  <KenjiE20> keep reading :P
20:46:26  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> 4 more years and this game celebrates it's 200 year anniversary :)
20:46:34  <KenjiE20> !info
20:46:35  <PublicServer> KenjiE20: #:1(Orange) Company Name: 'New Hendtown Transport'  Year Founded: 1970  Money: 2326914568  Loan: 0  Value: 2335076144  (T:27, R:0, P:8, S:0) unprotected
20:46:41  <KenjiE20> and nery a train in sight
20:46:56  <Ammler> :-o
20:46:58  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Several trains at the Trainyard (a)
20:47:00  <Ammler> only 30 trains?=
20:47:10  <KenjiE20> trainyards don't count
20:47:22  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> There's a timer-train (a)
20:47:35  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Four divider-trains
20:47:36  <KenjiE20> trainyards and logic don't count
20:47:37  <V453000> 5 are timer and some transfers
20:47:48  <V453000> the 22 might be trainyard
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20:48:28  <Ryt0n> thx for info, later all
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20:48:34  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> The divider-trains don't follow the trainyard rules though
20:48:53  <KenjiE20> logic stuff rarely does
20:48:54  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> But I guess they shouldn't have to
20:48:58  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> True
20:49:05  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Seen that in other games too
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20:49:22  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> train yards trains do not have rules yet
20:49:32  <KenjiE20> 8 days and 27 trains >_>
20:49:36  <V453000> lol
20:49:54  <KenjiE20> this game was such a .... yea
20:50:33  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> there will be no time to look at trains
20:50:43  <V453000> Giddorah: well if you know that I built both the trainyard and the transfers, there might be a chanse I have a reason why they are different or a reason why they dont need to be :P
20:50:54  <V453000> Kenji: ?
20:51:07  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> we put trains when everything will be ready
20:51:22  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> and than say working good and move to another map:P
20:51:30  <V453000> no
20:51:33  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> :]
20:51:38  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> V: Offcourse :)
20:51:45  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> i know connecting primaries
20:51:58  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> working out some issues
20:52:04  <KenjiE20> can we just skip to the end of Thors timeline? :P
20:52:19  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> ??
20:52:28  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Finish the last stations :P
20:52:35  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> Thors timeline?
20:52:55  <KenjiE20> the one you said about 1 minute ago
20:53:17  <V453000> u mean "move to another map" ? whats wrong with this one
20:53:32  <PublicServer> *** VictorOfSweden has joined company #1
20:53:37  <Thorinbur> Hey i want to see that network in use!
20:53:48  <Thorinbur> That would be stupid to drop it now!
20:53:52  <KenjiE20> complex industry + complex scenario + complex plan = loooooooong
20:54:09  <V453000> :)
20:54:16  <V453000> the game isnt that long yet
20:54:17  <KenjiE20> Thorinbur: I'm not seriously suggesting it
20:54:21  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> 6 stations left, right?
20:54:47  <KenjiE20> I'm being facetious
20:55:03  <Thorinbur> Hope so you are not.
20:55:18  <Thorinbur> I would really like to put some trains in there
20:55:33  <V453000> @dict facetious
20:55:35  <Webster> V453000: wn: facetious adj : cleverly amusing in tone; "a bantering tone"; "facetious remarks"; "tongue-in-cheek advice" [syn: {bantering}, {tongue-in-cheek}]
20:55:45  <V453000> ohhhh
20:55:54  <V453000> tongue in cheek :D
20:55:56  <KenjiE20> "hope so you are not"? >_> not sure how to interpret that
20:56:09  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> He hopes you're not serious :)
20:56:09  <V453000> dinner time
20:56:10  <Thorinbur> you are not suggesting
20:56:15  <Thorinbur> changing the map
20:56:32  <KenjiE20> ah, I see
20:56:32  <virtual> it's yelling about a train with invalid length and suggests the problem is invalid newgrf's
20:56:33  <Thorinbur> that was a little late answer;]
20:56:51  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 000265C2:
20:56:52  <Thorinbur> Too old savegame i guess
20:56:53  <KenjiE20> virtual: old games will do that
20:56:54  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> virtual: Try the get content online-thingie
20:57:00  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Oh
20:57:01  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Nvm
20:57:04  <KenjiE20> :P
20:57:17  <virtual> this is game #176 lol
20:57:35  <KenjiE20> okay, what gid said then
20:57:49  <KenjiE20> also, covered by quickstart, sort of
20:57:49  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> virtual: Try the get content online thingie :D
20:58:02  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Or the grf-pack in the quickstart
20:58:06  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Can't remember which one I did
20:58:18  <virtual> i have the GRF pack and everything or the current server
20:58:19  <KenjiE20> both
20:58:21  <virtual> *for
20:58:31  <KenjiE20> previous games != this game
20:58:41  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Yeah... Install the grf-pack and use the get content online thingie
20:58:42  <virtual> well the GRF pack hasn't been changed since 2008
20:58:48  <KenjiE20> load the game, and go to the newgrf options
20:58:48  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> That way you should get all the grf's
20:58:50  <virtual> how do you use get content online with a save game?
20:58:58  <KenjiE20> you'll find a content link ala the server one there
20:59:44  <Thorinbur> And get the newGRF pack from page. Not every newgrf can be downloaded by get content online
21:00:13  <KenjiE20> Thorinbur: though pretty much every game Post-BaNaNaS can be
21:00:33  <uliko> @tunnels
21:00:33  <Webster> uliko: (tunnels <trainlength> [<split>]) -- Returns minimum and maximum signal gap sizes for 2,3 and 4 linesplits with <trainlength>. If <spilt> is given it will return the the gap sizes for <split> (+/-) 1.
21:00:43  <KenjiE20> we pretty much just use bananas now
21:00:52  <uliko> @tunnels 3
21:00:53  <Webster> uliko: For Trainlength of 3: < 9 needs 2, 10 - 14 needs 3, 15 - 19 needs 4.
21:01:46  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Tunnels and bridges need the same, right?
21:01:51  <KenjiE20> yup
21:02:17  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> So the @gap command works great then
21:02:21  <KenjiE20> it's the same for anything that breaks signal distance at all
21:02:25  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> @gap 3 5
21:02:30  <Giddorah> @gap 3 5
21:02:30  <Webster> Giddorah: For Trainlength of 3: 15 - 19 needs 4, 20 - 24 needs 5, 25 - 29 needs 6.
21:02:54  <KenjiE20> gap is just an alias iirc
21:03:01  <Giddorah> Hmmm... It was formatted differently yesterday, right?
21:03:15  <KenjiE20> no, there's two commands
21:03:18  <Giddorah> Saying the exact amount of splits needed for the trainlength provided?
21:03:21  <Giddorah> Oh?
21:03:22  <KenjiE20> one is on webster, one is on AP+
21:03:43  <Giddorah> Ok
21:04:28  <KenjiE20> the one on @webster is the edge finder, the one on !AP+ is for length finder
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21:04:55  <Giddorah> Okay
21:04:58  <Giddorah> !gap 3 5
21:04:58  <PublicServer> Giddorah: You need 2 tunnels/bridges for trainlength 3 and gap 5.
21:05:02  <Giddorah> @gap 3 5
21:05:02  <Webster> Giddorah: For Trainlength of 3: 15 - 19 needs 4, 20 - 24 needs 5, 25 - 29 needs 6.
21:05:06  <Giddorah> Cool, gotcha
21:05:16  <Giddorah> !tunnels 3 5
21:05:17  <PublicServer> Giddorah: You need 2 tunnels/bridges for trainlength 3 and gap 5.
21:05:30  <Giddorah> Oh... Stupid me... It says tunnels/bridges... :P
21:05:39  <KenjiE20> heh
21:06:50  <virtual> there should be a way to download the NewGRF's required for a savegame without loading it first
21:07:25  <virtual> one of these days i'll probably download the source and add it myself
21:07:28  <Ammler> indeed would be a nice a patch
21:07:45  <Ammler> maybe a parameter --autoupdate
21:07:47  <KenjiE20> it would still require 'loading' the save to find out what it needs anyway
21:07:56  <Giddorah> True... The load-game window should show the grf-info as the Multiplayer-game window does
21:08:04  <virtual> yes.  exactly, Giddorah
21:08:08  <Giddorah> Reading it like a client reads server info
21:08:23  <KenjiE20> Giddorah: it only does that because the server has already loaded it
21:08:30  <Giddorah> KenjiE20: I know :)
21:08:45  <KenjiE20> the save HAS to be loaded *somewhere*
21:08:56  <Giddorah> But there should be some way of reading the grf-data from a savefile without loading the entire save-file
21:09:01  <KenjiE20> can't doing by just looking at it
21:09:18  <KenjiE20> especially as some saves will be compressed now
21:09:18  <virtual> yeah.  it should only have to read the section of the save with the NewGRF info
21:09:40  <Giddorah> When you select the save-file, it reads grf-data from it
21:09:56  <Thorinbur> heh guy on one of the forums asked us to telnet <port> because thats where he runned his program...
21:10:04  <Giddorah> Haha
21:10:28  <Thorinbur> and he is claiming that is his IP
21:10:28  <Giddorah> Tell him to try if responds to his pings
21:10:33  <Thorinbur> :]
21:11:18  <PublicServer> *** VictorOfSweden has left the game (leaving)
21:11:19  <KenjiE20> telnet
21:11:50  <Giddorah> That star wars?
21:11:52  <Thorinbur> I am trying to tell him that it might mbe his IP but in local network, and wont work like he want it to...
21:12:11  <Giddorah> Thorinbur: Just tell him to surf to and copy/paste what it says to you
21:13:13  <Thorinbur> Nah want to have more fun because he is th "I know everything - type of guy, and in any topic he is telling his bullshit claiming this is one and only enlightened truth
21:13:31  <Giddorah> Polish or english? I wanna read :)
21:13:59  <KenjiE20> Giddorah: yes
21:14:10  <Giddorah> KenjiE20: It rocks :)
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21:14:36  <Giddorah>
21:14:37  <Webster> Title: The Website Is Down (at
21:14:38  <Giddorah> That one rocks too
21:15:03  <Giddorah> Atleast the first episode
21:15:09  <Giddorah> Haven't seen the others
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21:16:01  <Thorinbur> Giddorah: I know TheWebsiteIsDown
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21:17:59  <KenjiE20> god, youtube people are retarded: "There is a hidden StarWars movie in telnet that you can view, Microsoft added"
21:18:03  <virtual> it is still missing ns_spoor.1.0/dutchtrainsw.grf but the online content getter says i already have the Dutch train pack
21:18:18  <Thorinbur> :P
21:18:25  <Thorinbur> Microsoft added ...
21:18:29  <KenjiE20> The video is even quite clearly Linux Backtrack
21:19:17  <KenjiE20> heh, another vid from this guy is called "NSA Hacking Vid"
21:19:29  <KenjiE20> the screengrab of which is suspiciously like Uplink
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21:19:31  <KenjiE20> :)
21:19:40  <Thorinbur> :P
21:19:40  <Giddorah> Uplink!! <3
21:20:11  <Thorinbur> Uplink is fun, but i hate interface it is too graphic...
21:20:17  <Giddorah> Yeah
21:20:21  <Giddorah> Should be more command-line
21:20:35  <Thorinbur> At leas a little comand-line
21:20:50  <Thorinbur> copying files by draging copy program on it...
21:21:20  <Thorinbur> Uplink got really funny when you get to hacking LAN networks
21:21:25  <Giddorah> God I love the website is down!
21:22:01  <Thorinbur> I hate that Haker Evolution is not runing on Vista
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21:22:23  <Thorinbur> at least not on every Vista... It slows down to like half FPS after a sec
21:22:52  <V453000> !password
21:22:52  <PublicServer> V453000: umpire
21:23:05  <Thorinbur> and i am talking about originl legal Demo version, so don't tell me that it's because of crappy crack and pirated version.
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21:23:35  <Drew> hi
21:23:40  <virtual> good grief, i'm not going to read this 232-page forum thread
21:23:41  <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (not enough players)
21:23:41  <V453000> hi
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21:24:38  <Giddorah> Haha... Arrange by penis
21:25:14  <Drew> sorry @noob question - but how do i get the password for the public server?
21:25:27  <KenjiE20> @quickstart
21:25:27  <V453000> @quickstart
21:25:29  <Webster> Quickstart - #openttdcoop Wiki -
21:25:30  <KenjiE20> :D
21:25:31  <Webster> Quickstart - #openttdcoop Wiki -
21:25:32  <V453000> hmm
21:25:33  <V453000> :P
21:25:36  <Drew> thx
21:25:54  <KenjiE20> I really should go code that auto-replier :P
21:26:00  <Thorinbur> wow! after 5 or 6 posts when guy was explaining for my : " can't be your external IP" that telnet is a program that connects to an IP... (Like he always does, answering about something else, you didn't ask...) he finally admited he made a mistake!
21:26:01  <PublicServer> <V453000> :D
21:26:13  <Thorinbur> and gave as proper IP...
21:26:24  <Thorinbur> that guy is funny...
21:26:35  <Thorinbur> in one of his posts he said that:
21:26:54  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00021E6F:
21:26:58  <Thorinbur> E=mc^2 means that when you get enough mass it will convert to energy...
21:27:30  <KenjiE20> O.o
21:27:56  <KenjiE20> well....
21:28:10  <KenjiE20> Enough mass will create a gravity well
21:28:23  <KenjiE20> and that MIGHT lead to fission
21:28:25  <Drew> !password
21:28:25  <PublicServer> Drew: sludge
21:28:32  <KenjiE20> depending on what the conposition is
21:28:35  <KenjiE20> com*
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21:28:47  <KenjiE20> but I fear, that's not what he was thinking of
21:29:36  <KenjiE20> you can't say pile twenty thousand pieces of toast together and compress them, and magically get energy
21:29:57  <Thorinbur> :]
21:30:26  <Thorinbur> 20 000 pieces of toast... I'm getting hungry!
21:30:41  <KenjiE20> toast, could be used to make energy though
21:30:48  <De_Ghosty> lol
21:30:56  <KenjiE20> take a slice of buttered toast, and strap it to a cat
21:30:56  <De_Ghosty>  E=mc^2 means that when you get enough mass it will convert to energy...
21:30:58  <De_Ghosty> hahahha
21:30:59  <De_Ghosty> :o
21:31:07  <De_Ghosty> is he like in elementry school?
21:31:10  <KenjiE20> toast always lands butterside up, and cats always land on their feet
21:31:24  <PublicServer> <V453000> lol Kenji .D
21:31:25  <PublicServer> <V453000> :D
21:31:26  <De_Ghosty> link plz
21:31:26  <PublicServer> <V453000> :D
21:31:32  <KenjiE20> these counter each other, the cat/toast will hover 4 feet off the ground and slowly rotate
21:31:33  <De_Ghosty> so i can troll
21:31:34  <KenjiE20> :P
21:31:42  <PublicServer> <V453000> I have a cat :)
21:31:51  <virtual> ah.  i see the problem.  apparently there is a Dutch TRAIN set and a dutch TRAM set.  only the tram set exists in the online content
21:31:53  <hylje> how about strap a magnet onto Newton's body and use him as a induction generator
21:32:11  <PublicServer> <V453000> ^
21:32:29  <KenjiE20> virtual: anything that isn't on the online, Should be in the grfpack
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21:32:38  <virtual> well isn't lol
21:32:43  <KenjiE20> if not you may have to hunt it down on grfcrawler
21:33:08  <virtual> i hunted down a copy of it and will install it in a minute
21:33:34  <Thorinbur> KenjiE20: lol @ cat + toast hoverign device
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21:34:01  <KenjiE20> hmm, that IS weird, the train set vanished
21:34:44  <Thorinbur> !players
21:34:46  <PublicServer> Thorinbur: Client 701 (Orange) is Drew, in company 1 (New Hendtown Transport)
21:34:46  <PublicServer> Thorinbur: Client 683 (Orange) is Giddorah, in company 1 (New Hendtown Transport)
21:34:46  <KenjiE20> it was on bananas under NS Spoor
21:34:47  <virtual> yeah.  i am thinking the train set should be on the online content server
21:34:59  <virtual> it seems like a major project with over 4,000 posts in the main thread
21:35:01  <KenjiE20> if it's the game I'm thinking of
21:35:06  <Thorinbur> You build anything?
21:36:12  <KenjiE20> Thorinbur: apparently the conditions are quick specific, normally you end up with an irate cat, butter on the floor and bloody shins
21:36:14  <KenjiE20> :D
21:36:20  <KenjiE20> s/quick/quite/
21:38:06  <Thorinbur> Well thats propably because of influence of enviroment. But in the vacum...
21:41:56  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00025795:
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21:45:49  <Drew> !password
21:45:49  <PublicServer> Drew: creams
21:46:03  <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (not enough players)
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21:46:53  <Drew> whats with the trainyard?
21:47:11  <virtual> does anyone know anything about manually installing a GRF?
21:48:29  <Thorinbur> Whats with it?
21:49:01  <virtual> the zip file has a file dutchtrainsw.grf, i made a directory data/ns_spoor.1.0 and put dutchtrainsw.grf in there because the game said it's missing ns_spoor.1.0/dutchtrainsw.grf
21:49:13  <virtual> i reloaded the save and it still says the file is missing
21:50:00  <KenjiE20> you don't really need the dir, but it shouldn't hurt
21:50:11  <Thorinbur> virtual: just put it into data folder, either in the game catalog, or in the my documents -> OTTD/data
21:50:17  <virtual> the md5sum looks ok too
21:50:27  <Thorinbur> maybe this is wrong grf
21:50:28  <Thorinbur> ?
21:50:37  <Ammler> if the dir has a version, it is most likely a bananas grf
21:50:49  <virtual> the wrong grf with the right md5sum?  not possible lol
21:51:15  <Thorinbur> how did you get md5sum of required grf?
21:51:32  <PublicServer> *** Giddorah has left the game (leaving)
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21:51:41  <KenjiE20> 89f47f72bbeeeb3c0f773845d6648c60 <-- md5sum of the one I have
21:51:57  <Thorinbur> I am not saying that grf file is corupted just you get different grf than game expects
21:51:58  <virtual> loaded the save, newgrf options
21:52:30  <KenjiE20> which save was this again?
21:52:33  <OwenS> virtual: Possible, but with a 2^-64 probability of happening
21:52:45  <Thorinbur> Save should load all grf's by itself no need to set them manualy (i am not sure, but you even shouldn't set grf's manually)
21:53:14  <Ammler> yeah, officially
21:53:23  <Ammler> but we can ;-)
21:53:40  <virtual> Kenji -> #176, Owen -> isn't it actually 2^-128?
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21:53:43  <Thorinbur> 2^-64
21:53:53  <Thorinbur> 2^256!
21:53:58  <Thorinbur> 2^-256
21:54:07  <Thorinbur> 32*8
21:54:07  <PublicServer> *** Drew joined the game
21:54:11  <Thorinbur> lol
21:54:17  <OwenS> virtual: No, 2^-64 is the probability.
21:54:20  <Thorinbur> ...
21:54:24  <Thorinbur> 2^-512
21:54:24  <PeterT> @calc 2**-64
21:54:24  <Webster> PeterT: 0
21:54:26  <planetmaker> @calc is your friend
21:54:36  <PeterT> @calc 2**(-64)
21:54:36  <Webster> PeterT: 0
21:54:39  <Thorinbur> 2^-512 final answer
21:54:51  <OwenS> @calc 2**64
21:54:51  <Webster> OwenS: 18446744073709551616
21:54:52  <Thorinbur> 32 chars in md5 sum
21:55:02  <Thorinbur> every character is in hex
21:55:15  <OwenS> Thorinbur: 128 bits, therefore probability is 2^-64
21:55:25  <Thorinbur> 128 bits?
21:55:28  <Thorinbur> sure
21:55:29  <Thorinbur> ?
21:55:49  <OwenS> An MD5Sum is 16 bytes (or 32 hex chars). Thats 128 bits
21:55:50  <KenjiE20> did you restart OpenTTD in between <- virtual
21:55:57  <virtual> oh.  good idea lol
21:56:00  <KenjiE20> or press rescan
21:56:05  <Thorinbur> lol
21:56:16  <Thorinbur> facepalm
21:56:18  <planetmaker> wiki is sure about it :-)
21:56:47  <virtual> there we go!  lol
21:56:52  <virtual> it crashed on the way out
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21:56:55  <KenjiE20> since openttd scans all the grfs at start, not every tick
21:56:57  <Thorinbur> omg...
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21:57:02  <Thorinbur> i am ashamed
21:57:05  <virtual> probably got nice and corrupted from trying to load the game without the right grf's
21:57:10  <virtual> my bad lol
21:57:11  <planetmaker> "In 2007 a group of researchers described how to create a pair of files that share the same MD5 checksum.[4]  I"
21:57:31  <OwenS> planetmaker: Were assuming no malicious intent
21:57:33  <KenjiE20> and thus started the great security kerfuffle
21:57:48  <planetmaker> OwenS: no? Then you don't know me :-P
21:58:25  <OwenS> Last year some guys created their own proof-of-concept CA by exploiting an MD5 colision
21:58:25  <Thorinbur> @calc 2**9 - 1
21:58:25  <Webster> Thorinbur: 511
21:58:36  <Chris_Booth> OwenS: doesnt every thing have malicious intent?
21:58:43  <virtual> how to create a pair of files with the same MD5 checksum:  (1) create 2^128+1 files  (2) there are only 2^128 possible md5sums (3) ??? (4) profit!
21:58:45  <KenjiE20> intent? no
21:58:59  <KenjiE20> a malicious use? possible
21:59:11  <Thorinbur> Ok i will leave now , and you will forget everything about i was writing about md5 sum bytes hexes and so ok?
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21:59:21  <virtual> alternate method:
21:59:21  <OwenS> virtual: As said, you should get a colision between files after 2^64 files
21:59:28  <virtual> (1) echo hello > file1.txt
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21:59:35  <virtual> (2) cp file1.txt file2.txt
21:59:42  <OwenS> (It's still 2^128 to colide with a predetermined MD5SUM)
21:59:44  <Thorinbur> Hi guys! How is it going today?
21:59:55  <KenjiE20> your md5sum is wrong
21:59:58  <planetmaker> virtual: but it doesn't mean you can by throwing dice come up with another file of a given md5 sum
22:00:08  <planetmaker> 2**128 possibilities are A LOT
22:00:40  * OwenS thinks they should have used SHA-512 :P
22:01:21  <OwenS> Incidentally, the only known production user of MD6 at present is Conficker.B
22:01:33  <virtual> of course!  method #1 isn't computationally feasible lol
22:06:24  <KenjiE20> there's a computer in cambridge attempting to do a version of the infinite monkeys thing, so I wouldn't say that
22:07:33  <Chris_Booth> KenjiE20: whats the infinite monkenys thing?
22:07:39  <KenjiE20>
22:07:40  <Webster> Title: Infinite monkey theorem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at
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22:13:54  <Drew> !password
22:13:54  <PublicServer> Drew: perish
22:14:11  <PublicServer> *** Drew joined the game
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22:17:27  <Chris_Booth> KenjiE20: i should have know about that is one of my lectures conducted an experiment in that field, and lectured us about it 2 weeks ago
22:17:53  <KenjiE20> Horizon had a thing on it about that time too
22:18:38  <KenjiE20> <-- chapter 6 for the monkey bit
22:18:40  <Webster> Title: BBC - BBC Two Programmes - Horizon, 2009-2010, To Infinity and Beyond (at
22:18:50  <KenjiE20> the whole programme's worth watching though
22:19:01  <KenjiE20> (UK only obv.)
22:19:36  <V453000> !password
22:19:36  <PublicServer> V453000: perish
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22:29:00  <gr00vy> !password
22:29:00  <PublicServer> gr00vy: barter
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22:42:16  <virtual> !password
22:42:16  <PublicServer> virtual: peered
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22:45:41  <virtual> question about the network plan.  when it says "The Gap Solution" is "crossing LL (RR)/V" what does that mean?  lol
22:46:04  <KenjiE20> @ll
22:46:04  <Webster> ll: LL / RR or variations thereof are indicating directions on a main- or sideline
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22:50:49  <virtual> so what does L mean?  the track is going toward the left side of the screen?
22:51:05  <KenjiE20> coop drives on the right
22:51:28  <KenjiE20> so LL is two track 'away'
22:51:54  <KenjiE20> sorry, 'toward'
22:52:08  <KenjiE20> RR would be 'away'
22:52:37  <Chris_Booth> LL (RR) means a clockwise loop
22:53:16  <virtual> i understand what a clockwise loop is, but how does LL (RR) translate into that?
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22:53:48  <Chris_Booth> i just does
22:53:51  <KenjiE20> that reads as two 'toward' tracks, with two optional away tracks. at least tom e
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22:56:24  <virtual> so if you always drive on the right, doesn't that mean your loops have to be counter-clockwise?
22:59:18  <Chris_Booth> no it doesnt
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23:04:52  <Thorinbur> Heh you are too much concerned about griving side
23:05:23  <Thorinbur> *driving
23:06:29  <virtual> i'm trying to learn what LL and RR mean
23:07:36  <Chris_Booth> virtual: it doesnt realy matter
23:07:46  <Chris_Booth> just drive on what ever side you want
23:08:10  <Chris_Booth> and when you join one of our game watch what others are doing
23:08:38  <virtual> the game is paused right now lol
23:10:42  <Thorinbur> You are the only one  on the server
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23:13:04  <virtual> i'm also trying to figure out why sometimes there is a parallel track going nowhere, joined to the main track with a 90 degree turn, and a backwards signal on the parallel track
23:13:22  <V453000> @prio
23:13:22  <Webster> prio: Priority, see also:
23:13:26  <V453000> ^
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23:20:04  <virtual> ah.  so a train on section A of track can shut down a signal on section B, and A and B can be far away
23:20:50  <Pirate87> !password
23:20:50  <PublicServer> Pirate87: madcap
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23:36:36  <virtual> I think I like the path signal prio better
23:37:21  <V453000> it doesnt matter which one you use
23:37:49  <V453000> but presignals get less cpu ... the difference is minimal anyway
23:40:31  <virtual> interesting.  and it's not obvious (to me at least) that presignals are a win CPU-wise because you need more blocks with the presignal design
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23:40:53  <GodsCrap> !password
23:40:53  <PublicServer> GodsCrap: lambed
23:41:05  <V453000> you dont need more blocks
23:41:10  <V453000> oh you mean this ...
23:41:12  <V453000> well
23:41:29  <V453000> dont know in the end :)
23:41:35  <V453000> but the PBS one is very rare
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23:45:08  <KenjiE20> PBS has to check for a valid path
23:45:17  <KenjiE20> blocks just check if something is there
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23:47:42  <virtual> it has to find a path anyway
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