Log for #openttdcoop on 17th March 2010:
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00:04:45  <XeryusTC> gn
00:04:52  <XeryusTC> (bedtiems has long passed)
00:05:12  <Booth> nn XeryusTC
00:06:30  <V453000> cya
00:06:59  <V453000> could anyone pls revise the aircraft in game?
00:07:11  <V453000> I dont know how intense these are
00:08:31  <KenjiE20> planes aren't
00:08:44  <KenjiE20> they take off, travel in a straight line, land
00:08:48  <KenjiE20> and that's about it
00:11:13  <V453000> well right :D
00:11:22  <V453000> it doesnt really matter
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00:29:48  <V453000> im off guyz
00:29:53  <V453000> cya
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00:44:27  <spuuukie> good n8 ;)
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01:17:53  <Ammler> gute Nacht liebe Leute
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06:16:53  <virtual> I have a question if anyone's around.  I saved a multiplayer game with several companies and loaded it back in single player.  Is there a way to change which company I play as?  Yes I tried  /join but it only works in multiplayer
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07:37:17  <einKarl> !password
07:37:17  <PublicServer> einKarl: blimps
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11:16:54  <V453000> virtual: via cheat menu
11:16:59  <V453000> ctrl alt c
11:34:33  <Ammler> or start a local server...
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11:35:58  <V453000> :) a bit cleaner solution
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11:48:16  <Ryt0n> !playing
11:48:20  <Ryt0n> !players
11:48:21  <PublicServer> Ryt0n: There are currently no clients connected to the server
11:49:36  <Ryt0n> is there a game active?
11:52:46  <KenjiE20> always
12:21:08  <Giddorah_> !players
12:21:10  <PublicServer> Giddorah_: There are currently no clients connected to the server
12:21:17  <Giddorah_> When's the finalization-stage complete? :)
12:24:41  <Phazorx> Giddorah_: usually shortly before you see STAGE: new game in the topic
12:28:02  <Ammler> Hello Phazorx :-)
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12:34:11  <Drunkzilla> hi
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12:50:28  <Giddorah_> Phazorx: I was more thinking in a timewise way... :)
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13:18:53  <Ammler> Giddorah_: yesterday night afaik
13:19:19  <Ammler> !archive
13:19:19  <PublicServer> Ammler: http://www.openttdcoop.ORG/wiki/PublicServer:Archive | |
13:30:38  <V453000> yes I wrote the archive already ... but lets start a new one tonight
13:31:23  <Giddorah_> Oh!
13:31:45  <Giddorah_> I thought it was still running
13:32:03  <V453000> Ammler: how much *wise* is it to use stolen trees? ( test file for arctic )
13:32:28  <V453000> it is running ... or should be
13:32:43  <V453000> the archive is just a summary, the savegame there just gets updated
13:32:49  <V453000> and transfered ...
13:33:37  <Giddorah_> I keep learning something each day ;)
13:33:50  <Giddorah_> Are the gamesettings for the next game already decided?
13:34:50  <V453000> well the map is ready ... but you have any notes about that?
13:35:07  <Ammler> V453000: that is a static grf, so doesn't hurt either
13:35:15  <KenjiE20> @quickstart
13:35:17  <Webster> Quickstart - #openttdcoop Wiki -
13:35:19  <KenjiE20> ^ Giddorah_
13:35:22  <Giddorah_> I love stolen trees :)
13:35:23  <V453000> ok thx
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13:37:05  <Giddorah_> KenjiE20: Aight... So... TL and what type of game it's gonna be is decided in the "planning"-stage if I understand it correctly?
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13:37:21  <KenjiE20> pretty much *everything* is in planning
13:37:30  <KenjiE20> that would kinda be the point :P
13:37:56  <KenjiE20> The only things that aren't are GRFs/scenario, those are left up to the mapmaker
13:37:57  <Giddorah_> Hehe :) I was thinking TL and such was decided before, and plans were made from some prerequisites :)
13:38:06  <Giddorah_> I understand :)
13:38:15  <KenjiE20> TL could be part of scenario
13:38:25  <KenjiE20> nothing stopping that from happening
13:38:38  <Giddorah_> Hmm... Is the map available somewhere to do a preview of it before it goes live?
13:38:45  <KenjiE20> 'most' maps are just sandboxs
13:38:58  <KenjiE20> yes and no
13:39:05  <KenjiE20> but I now go for lunch
13:39:13  <Giddorah_> Haha! Aight :) Have a good one
13:45:10  <V453000> to be honest I really dislike scenarios where is said "use TL X."
13:45:24  <V453000> as the TL15 psg 177
13:46:15  <V453000> why would you need to preview the map btw?
13:47:31  <Giddorah_> No need to :) Just out of curiosity :) I'd like to take a preview and see if my "plan" matches what the experienced planmakers come up with... And see if any of the local sollutions I come up with work in the game :P
13:47:38  <Giddorah_> I'm just one of those pre-guys...
13:48:25  <V453000> hmm
13:48:41  <V453000> well the plans are being made after the game starts, not in pre- :)
13:49:05  <V453000> so the map is emty now
13:51:04  <V453000> or you mean you need to be uninfluenced by others plans? :D
13:52:04  <Giddorah_> Exactly :D
13:52:20  <Giddorah_> If I see your plans I'll just copy them and not come up with my own ideas :)
13:52:23  <KenjiE20> we've had this discussion a few times tbh, mostly it ends up as impractical
13:52:31  <Giddorah_> I bet :)
13:52:48  <Giddorah_> Oh! It's not a proposition or anything, it's just out of curiosity :)
13:53:35  <V453000> I quite like what ?Progman? proposed ... the posting of plans on wiki
13:53:39  <KenjiE20> I know, just adding an aside
13:53:57  <V453000> or on some such separated page...
13:54:03  <KenjiE20> V453000: the issue wasn't the idea though
13:54:06  <Giddorah_> It's perfectly clear that it probably would just add more confusion or more work... So it's nothing that I would propose :)
13:54:12  <KenjiE20> it's how would you manage it all
13:54:14  <Giddorah_> I'm just being selfish :P
13:54:54  <V453000> Kenji: why not just everyone could make a screenshot and make a kinda little article on one wiki page for the current PSG?
13:55:50  <V453000> adding a savegame if required
13:55:52  <KenjiE20> inherent problem with a wiki, is it's a wiki
13:56:26  <V453000> hmmm
13:56:36  <KenjiE20> like I say, we've gone over this a few times
13:56:46  <V453000> :)
13:57:02  <V453000> why wiki couldnt be used for that?
13:57:03  <KenjiE20> I *might*, have a stab at something, after I close up a couple other projects, *might*
13:57:12  <V453000> :)
13:57:28  <KenjiE20> a wiki's nature is that it's freely editable
13:58:11  <V453000> uhm ... you mean some potential danger from "outsiders" or?
13:58:41  <KenjiE20> something like that
13:59:37  <V453000> well then any page on the wiki is in the same "danger"
13:59:43  <V453000> what difference does that make?
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14:01:41  <KenjiE20> not a massive amount
14:01:45  <KenjiE20> anyway
14:02:17  <V453000> :|
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14:02:24  <V453000> kk cya :)
14:10:17  <V453000> Giddorah_ : you could also think about making a map by yourself :p
14:11:13  <V453000> then you would be the most pre- of all :P
14:13:29  <V453000> someone might feel a bit bitchy about the fact that the one who creates the map also proposes a plan ... but I think there is nothing bad about that at all, and it could be more bold than others
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17:28:31  <V453000> !password
17:28:31  <PublicServer> V453000: newses
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17:33:10  <V453000> :o
17:33:13  <V453000> swapped :P
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17:33:38  <PublicServer> <V453000> hi :)
17:33:42  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> ello
17:34:09  <PublicServer> <V453000> hehe that twoway prio with the TB is much nicer :)
17:34:31  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> TB?
17:34:34  <PublicServer> <V453000> turbobus
17:34:44  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> oh, you mean the maglev one? :P
17:34:47  <PublicServer> <V453000> yes
17:35:12  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> build that for great acceleration justice!
17:35:19  <PublicServer> <V453000> :)
17:35:40  <OwenS> New game or same one?
17:35:49  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> same
17:35:50  <V453000> stage?
17:36:11  <OwenS> Just checking as the rev seems to have changed :P
17:36:19  <OwenS> ...or not
17:36:21  <PublicServer> <V453000> no
17:36:25  <OwenS> !password
17:36:25  <PublicServer> OwenS: newses
17:36:29  <V453000> still 19410
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17:36:47  <PublicServer> <Owen> Ooh, new 2 way prio? :P
17:36:58  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> bbh7a might need 3rd line too
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17:37:07  <V453000> mwa
17:37:16  <V453000> connection failing already
17:37:31  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> time to archive anyway :P
17:37:39  <V453000> ^
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17:37:50  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> v453000: you need to stop building those weird prios btw :P
17:38:02  <PublicServer> <Owen> Hehe where?
17:38:08  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> in bbh7a :P
17:38:09  <PublicServer> <V453000> ya?
17:38:20  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> with the combo signal in the middle on the ML :P
17:38:35  <PublicServer> <Owen> Oh I've done that before :p
17:38:48  <PublicServer> <V453000> whats the issoo?
17:38:59  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> it looks odd :P
17:39:09  <PublicServer> <V453000> then everything is right :D
17:39:10  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> and it confuses me :P
17:39:17  <PublicServer> <V453000> aww
17:39:22  <PublicServer> <Owen> I tend to do it when gvoing round corners :p
17:39:31  <PublicServer> <Owen> Or through tight spaces
17:39:32  <PublicServer> <V453000> I do it often :)
17:39:40  <PublicServer> <V453000> it can save space sometimes
17:39:50  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> everytime i see one i'm like: "what is that? oh wait, must be a prio"
17:39:57  <PublicServer> <V453000> :D lol :p
17:42:00  <PublicServer> <Owen> There were some missing signals near !!extend 3rd line from here
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17:50:55  <V453000> I say "done"
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18:10:28  <PublicServer> <Zerpa> hey owen, did you make the turboprio?
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18:19:04  <OwenS> Zerp: No
18:19:30  <OwenS> Zerp: it ended up too buggy :p
18:20:00  <PublicServer> <Zerpa> someone built one at BBH04
18:20:07  <PublicServer> <Zerpa> quite low latency now
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18:58:46  <CommieSi> !password
18:58:46  <PublicServer> CommieSi: afield
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19:05:28  <PublicServer> jondisti: afield
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19:06:46  <PublicServer> <CommieSi> well 1000 trains and still not in profit :-P
19:06:58  <V453000> too high RC
19:07:19  <CommieSi> yeap
19:07:33  <CommieSi> or TL too short
19:07:47  <Ammler> [18:50] <V453000> I say "done" <-- heard that quite a lot
19:07:48  <CommieSi> think
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19:08:22  <CommieSi> if it wal TL4 thats an extra 2000 frieght cars may tip the balance
19:08:36  <PublicServer> <jond1sti> ~1.5mil comes from food from dairy trains
19:08:55  <V453000> Ammler: that is possible :)
19:09:08  <V453000> this was final from me
19:09:44  <CommieSi> anyways, we are flogging a dead horse with this map now :-)
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19:14:31  <PublicServer> <Zerpa> looking through the most costly trains... we have trains without orders, milk trains going to sheep farms, etc.
19:15:12  <V453000> omg?
19:17:48  <gleeb> ...
19:17:49  <PublicServer> <Zerpa> fruit train going from one end of map to other directly by ml, also -50k
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19:18:33  <gleeb> I don't envy whoever decides to fix that.
19:20:37  <V453000> the worst thing is that even happened and could happen again
19:26:40  <PublicServer> <Zerpa> and then there are trains locked in prios for months, because of missing 2ways :P
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19:33:55  <PublicServer> <Owen> OK, why is BBH04b jammed?
19:34:34  <PublicServer> <Zerpa> entire ml up to chem plan is full
19:34:57  <PublicServer> <Owen> But at 04b it's really bad
19:35:38  <spuuukie> !password
19:35:38  <PublicServer> spuuukie: attune
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19:39:37  <PublicServer> <Owen> We seem to have saturated the network
19:40:47  <PublicServer> <Zerpa> BBH04 is clearing up
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19:44:41  <PublicServer> <Owen> Oh GAAAAAAAAAAH
19:44:45  <PublicServer> <Owen> SLH03 blocking network
19:45:22  <PublicServer> <Zerpa> was watching an issue there earlier, but it cleared, hmmm
19:45:37  <PublicServer> <Zerpa> the trains are having troubl joining?
19:45:37  <PublicServer> <Owen> I've depoted useless trains
19:45:47  <PublicServer> <Zerpa> which station?
19:45:55  <PublicServer> <Owen> Flarnpool Livestock
19:46:01  <PublicServer> <Zerpa> bleh
19:46:12  <PublicServer> <Zerpa> they were running without Full load order before, and i changed it
19:46:25  <PublicServer> <Owen> Trians sold
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21:14:27  <Pirate87> !screen
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21:14:33  <Pirate87> !password
21:14:33  <PublicServer> Pirate87: legacy
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21:20:39  <V453000> shall we end this finally?
21:21:28  <Pirate87> looks like you ain't happy with the result of your plan, V
21:22:36  <V453000> I am
21:22:51  <V453000> just somehow annoyed by the length :D
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21:33:36  <Giddorah_> Still no new game? :(
21:33:50  <Giddorah_> I know... I'm annoying
21:33:57  <Giddorah_> But I soooo badly wanna be here from the start :P
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22:01:34  <planetmaker> Giddorah_: the you should hang out here for ~ 7 days. Chances are high that you'll then encounter a start. For a fortnight it's nearly 100%.
22:01:45  <planetmaker> !info
22:01:45  <PublicServer> planetmaker: #:1(Orange) Company Name: '#openttdcoop PSG 178'  Year Founded: 1970  Money: 5591883667  Loan: 0  Value: 5605966819  (T:994, R:176, P:19, S:0) unprotected
22:02:17  <Giddorah_> So it usually takes up to 7 days after an archive has been agreed upon to launch a new game?
22:04:32  <OwenS> Giddorah_: No
22:04:53  <OwenS> Giddorah_: But we tend to have an approx 7 day period for PSG games
22:06:43  <Giddorah_> Okay
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22:16:24  <V453000> !password
22:16:24  <PublicServer> V453000: impede
22:16:40  <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game
22:17:39  <V453000> !unpause
22:17:40  <PublicServer> *** V453000 has unpaused the server. (Use !auto to set it back.)
22:17:41  <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (not enough players)
22:18:50  <OwenS> V453000: Unpaused for a reason? :P
22:18:54  <PublicServer> <V453000> yes
22:19:01  <OwenS> Oh, checking before archiving?
22:19:16  <PublicServer> <V453000> I want to be sure there is no jam
22:19:21  <PublicServer> <V453000> there is one minor
22:20:13  <PublicServer> <V453000> almost gone already though
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22:21:12  <V453000> !auto
22:21:12  <PublicServer> *** V453000 has enabled autopause mode.
22:21:12  <PublicServer> *** Game paused (not enough players)
22:21:42  <KenjiE20> !save
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22:21:42  <PublicServer> Saving game...
22:21:43  <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving)
22:21:56  <V453000> ok everything is fine
22:21:56  <KenjiE20> !save
22:21:56  <PublicServer> Saving game...
22:22:02  <V453000> thx Kenji :)
22:22:20  <KenjiE20> hm, could've sworn that was more verbose
22:22:27  <Ammler> and !transfer
22:22:31  <V453000> !transfer
22:22:31  <PublicServer> V453000: !transfer gamenr save: transfer the save to our web
22:22:38  <V453000> wah :D
22:22:40  <KenjiE20> !transfer 178 game.sav
22:22:43  <PublicServer> KenjiE20: PublicServerGame_178_Final.sav
22:22:43  <PublicServer> KenjiE20: Transfer done. (/home/openttd/website/public/save/game.sav->
22:22:53  <PublicServer> Server closed down by admin
22:22:55  <PublicServer> Server has exited
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22:22:55  <V453000> oh gamenr like game NR not like a single word :D
22:23:10  <V453000>  !ls now  Iguess
22:23:23  <Ammler> [23:22] <PublicServer> Server has exited
22:23:31  <Ammler> patience now
22:23:32  <KenjiE20> hmmmm
22:23:37  <Giddorah_> Haha! I read excited :P
22:23:46  <KenjiE20> V453000: where did your saves go?
22:23:46  <Giddorah_> "Server was excited"
22:23:47  <Ammler> then you can use !rcon ls, indeed
22:23:52  <Ammler> but do that in private
22:23:58  <V453000> PSG179start3
22:24:07  <KenjiE20> oh caps
22:24:28  <V453000> it should be on the PS page you already checked from
22:24:39  <KenjiE20> lunix be case sensitive
22:24:50  <V453000> kk next time I will lowercase it
22:24:55  <KenjiE20> meh
22:24:57  <hylje> the filesystem is
22:24:59  <Giddorah_> Lunix :D
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22:25:00  <PublicServer> Autopilot engaged
22:25:00  <PublicServer> Loading savegame: '#openttdcoop - The Public Server ('
22:25:00  *** ChanServ sets mode: +v PublicServer
22:25:01  *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG #178 (r19443) | STAGE: finalising | | New players, use @quickstart & !help | Screenshots: | Coopetition ladder: | Welcome to the depths of insanity"
22:25:01  <KenjiE20> I'm just used to my saves
22:25:07  <KenjiE20> @setpsg 179
22:25:07  *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG #179 (r19443) | STAGE: finalising | | New players, use @quickstart & !help | Screenshots: | Coopetition ladder: | Welcome to the depths of insanity"
22:25:16  <KenjiE20> @stage MM
22:25:16  *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG #179 (r19443) | STAGE: MM | | New players, use @quickstart & !help | Screenshots: | Coopetition ladder: | Welcome to the depths of insanity"
22:25:23  <Giddorah_> PSG means previous savegame?
22:25:28  <KenjiE20> @psg
22:25:28  <Webster> psg: Public Server Game
22:25:28  <Ammler> :-)
22:25:33  <Giddorah_> Oh... Okay :)
22:25:54  <Ammler> !info
22:25:54  <PublicServer> Ammler: #:1(Pink) Company Name: 'Unnamed'  Year Founded: 1950  Money: 100000  Loan: 100000  Value: 1  (T:0, R:0, P:0, S:0) unprotected
22:25:56  <OwenS> As opposed to SB, MZ and PZ :p
22:26:04  <Giddorah_> !dl win64
22:26:04  <PublicServer> Giddorah_:
22:26:10  <Razaekal> !date
22:26:10  <PublicServer> Razaekal:  1 Jan 1950
22:26:11  <Ammler> would be PS
22:26:30  <OwenS> Ammler: Interesting we use PSG but not PZG, and never used SBG or MZG
22:26:33  <Ammler> we never used sb, did we?
22:26:43  <KenjiE20> sandbox
22:26:54  <KenjiE20> wasn't that the old name?
22:26:57  <OwenS> It was
22:27:02  <Giddorah_> !password
22:27:02  <PublicServer> Giddorah_: astray
22:27:04  <KenjiE20> oooooold name :P
22:27:07  <Ammler> yes, but we never used the short, afaik
22:27:07  <hylje> Sandbox
22:27:11  <PublicServer> *** Giddorah joined the game
22:27:16  <OwenS> KenjiE20: I'm an ooooold almost-member :P
22:27:23  <KenjiE20> heh
22:27:38  <Ammler> OwenS: you are the only "almost-member" left :-P
22:27:40  <PublicServer> *** Kenji joined the game
22:27:51  <Ammler> already 3 years...
22:28:05  <V453000> !dl win32
22:28:05  <PublicServer> V453000:
22:28:15  <KenjiE20> !unpause
22:28:15  <PublicServer> *** KenjiE20 has unpaused the server. (Use !auto to set it back.)
22:28:29  <KenjiE20> !rcon unpause
22:28:40  <Ammler> and btw. you forgot MS
22:28:46  <Ammler> Mainserver iirc
22:29:13  <V453000> !password
22:29:13  <PublicServer> V453000: astray
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22:29:39  <OwenS> Ammler: That was renamed MemberZone early enough :p
22:29:56  <Ammler> with PS
22:29:58  <Giddorah_> GRF error
22:30:09  <Ammler> ProZone is quite new
22:30:25  <OwenS> Ammler: Yes, but the server was renamed MZ quite early
22:30:28  <KenjiE20> @quickstart
22:30:30  <Webster> Quickstart - #openttdcoop Wiki -
22:30:30  <KenjiE20> ^ Giddorah_
22:30:39  <OwenS> And it must be said that the PS has in many ways always been the main server :p
22:31:01  <Ammler> that is why we renamed the Sandbox
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22:31:36  <KenjiE20> !tweet Game 179 starting up
22:31:37  <PublicServer> KenjiE20: Tweet sent:
22:32:48  <KenjiE20> ooh road veh acceleration
22:32:51  <pugi> oh
22:32:52  <pugi> new game
22:32:52  <OwenS> Shouldn't Webster really be the one tweeting? :p
22:32:58  <PublicServer> <V453000> ?
22:32:58  <KenjiE20> meh
22:33:03  <pugi> i got twitter information :O
22:33:04  <PublicServer> <V453000> rv ?
22:33:13  <KenjiE20> they both use API
22:33:22  <PublicServer> <Kenji> in the options
22:33:51  <PublicServer> <V453000> ugh ... didnt even know such option is there
22:33:58  <PublicServer> <Kenji> it's new
22:34:03  <PublicServer> <Kenji> hense the 'ooh'
22:34:06  <PublicServer> <V453000> :)
22:34:42  <PublicServer> <V453000> Giddorah: satisfied? :D
22:34:47  <Giddorah_> KenjiE20: Error: 7_stations\indstatr\indstatrw.grf must be loaded after newwater(w).grf.
22:34:51  <Giddorah_> KenjiE20: That error
22:34:55  <KenjiE20> meh
22:34:59  <PublicServer> <V453000> wtf
22:35:08  <Giddorah_> V453000: I'm VERY pleased :)
22:35:08  <Ammler> newwater?
22:35:29  <PublicServer> <V453000> yes newwater
22:35:34  <PublicServer> <V453000> looks cool in arctic
22:35:34  <Ammler> V453000: you don't use OpenGFX then :-P
22:35:36  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Seems like it's using the old water graphics and shore-lines
22:35:42  <PublicServer> <V453000> no I dont :)
22:35:54  <Ammler> then use newwater as static...
22:36:08  <PublicServer> <V453000> ugh ... ?
22:36:14  <Ammler> nvm :-)
22:36:18  <PublicServer> <V453000> ok :)
22:36:31  <Ammler> @donotreadme :-P
22:36:34  <Webster> User:KenjiE20/Webster - #openttdcoop Wiki -
22:36:35  <OwenS> !svn
22:36:35  <PublicServer> OwenS: svn update -r19443 && make && ./bin/openttd -n -p astray
22:36:35  <PublicServer> OwenS: svn checkout -r19443 svn:// openttdcoop && cd openttdcoop && ./configure && make
22:36:36  <PublicServer> <V453000> I wonder why it says the error
22:36:43  <PublicServer> <V453000> even the stations work
22:36:52  <KenjiE20> lol
22:36:54  <KenjiE20> foiled Ammler
22:37:03  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Because newwater is under Landscape and the other one is above? :)
22:37:04  <Ammler> seems so :'-(
22:37:24  <PublicServer> <Kenji> NewGRFs USED to need to be loaded in order
22:37:26  <PublicServer> <V453000> yes I know but the error is pointless
22:37:35  <PublicServer> <Kenji> OpenTTD has 'smart' loading though
22:37:37  <PublicServer> <V453000> kk :)
22:37:55  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Kenji: But... That's what the grf-says... And there isn't any new water :)
22:38:04  <PublicServer> <V453000> there is
22:38:06  <PublicServer> <Kenji> 6
22:38:07  <PublicServer> <Kenji> ^
22:38:14  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> GOD I love stolen trees
22:38:17  <PublicServer> <V453000> do you use opengfx or original?
22:38:18  <PublicServer> <Kenji> opengfx might override
22:38:29  <PublicServer> <V453000> well it is the same as opengfx, not?
22:38:37  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> I use the regular gfx'es since I own a real TTD-disc :)
22:38:46  <PublicServer> <V453000> yes
22:38:53  <PublicServer> <V453000> so you should notice the water is different
22:38:56  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Maybe I'm just being confused since there seems to be old shorelines
22:39:07  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Or... It might have to do with me not being used to this climate :)
22:39:12  <PublicServer> <Kenji> nope shorelines are brown now
22:39:15  <PublicServer> <V453000> yeah
22:39:18  <PublicServer> <Kenji> they're yellow normally
22:39:23  <PublicServer> <V453000> ^
22:39:52  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Bah :) Just ignore me :P
22:39:55  <PublicServer> <Kenji> tiny towns....
22:40:04  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 000069D2:
22:40:04  <PublicServer> <V453000> I hope you will guys like the US trainset ... we havent played it much so far which is a shame
22:41:37  <PublicServer> <Kenji> you should've loaded the signals too
22:42:00  <PublicServer> <V453000> I am sure I already checked these out ... but I dont remember
22:42:47  <V453000> how are these called?
22:42:59  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Should I exit the server?
22:43:19  <V453000> ah foind it already
22:43:24  <V453000> why G?
22:43:56  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> And a newbieish question... What's with the Trainstation and airport? I could understand if the train-stations were located within a city to bring in more pax... But?
22:44:13  <PublicServer> <Kenji> the odd ones are to shift the station sign
22:44:24  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Why do we want that?
22:44:36  <PublicServer> <Kenji> so cargo travels further, without travelling further
22:44:38  <V453000> station signs are the actual distance we are paid for
22:44:39  <PublicServer> <Kenji> :)
22:44:40  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Oooh
22:44:44  <Ammler> because they CHEAT ;-)
22:44:52  <PublicServer> <V453000> awww Ammler :P
22:44:53  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> That's quite smart :D
22:44:57  <PublicServer> <Kenji> we learned from the best :P
22:45:09  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> So if station-spread is 64, you get 128 more cells of pay? :)
22:45:26  <PublicServer> <V453000> up to 256
22:45:32  <PublicServer> <V453000> diagonals count twice
22:45:37  <PublicServer> <Kenji> load gone
22:45:41  <PublicServer> <Kenji> loan*
22:45:42  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Haha... Cool :)
22:45:53  <KenjiE20> Ammler: cheating is kinda needed here
22:45:54  <PublicServer> <V453000> :)
22:45:56  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> And you also place some stations within near cities to maximize pax right?
22:46:03  <PublicServer> <V453000> yes
22:46:05  <KenjiE20> eastern towns are only 100p eople
22:46:31  <PublicServer> <V453000> Kenji: do you know that Whithill isnt walked?
22:46:48  <Ammler> openttdcoop is coopetition but we would also beat all competive player...
22:46:48  <PublicServer> <V453000> Tillyhill either
22:46:51  <PublicServer> <Kenji> don't care down there
22:47:05  <PublicServer> <Kenji> tresd is 760 people
22:47:14  <PublicServer> <Kenji> the other two only combine to 350~
22:47:28  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Want me to place some trainstations in the northern cities around the airport?
22:47:29  <PublicServer> <V453000> well whatever, right? :P
22:47:56  <PublicServer> <Kenji> they're both covered Giddorah
22:48:07  <PublicServer> <Kenji> V453000: not really
22:48:10  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Oh... Signs confuse me ;)
22:48:11  <PublicServer> <V453000> Ammler: I searched through the competitive and such crap servers lately and I found only about 2 that were ok :D
22:48:24  <PublicServer> <V453000> both CZ :o
22:48:25  <PublicServer> <Kenji> extra walks -> more pax -> not enough tarmac for planes -> lower rating
22:48:29  <PublicServer> <Kenji> -> less pax
22:48:38  <PublicServer> <V453000> true
22:48:57  <KenjiE20> @stage Planning
22:48:57  *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG #179 (r19443) | STAGE: Planning | | New players, use @quickstart & !help | Screenshots: | Coopetition ladder: | Welcome to the depths of insanity"
22:49:17  <PublicServer> <V453000> yeey
22:49:27  <PublicServer> *** Kenji has left the game (leaving)
22:49:30  <PublicServer> <V453000> so what will be the firs plan Giddorah? :D
22:49:33  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> First off, I want to appologize for pushing this :P
22:49:40  <PublicServer> <V453000> ?
22:49:45  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> First plan is to build a massive network and connect everything
22:49:55  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Ready?
22:49:58  <PublicServer> <V453000> well that is not a plan that is our motto
22:50:09  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> I merely perfected it :P
22:50:13  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Let's see what we can do
22:50:14  <KenjiE20> no it's not
22:50:20  <PublicServer> <V453000> ok almos
22:50:22  <KenjiE20> our motto is more self serving :P
22:50:48  <PublicServer> <V453000> you mean the boldly building what others only dare to dream?
22:50:51  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Well... It would make sense to build a big network with high capacity to all those forrest-areas
22:50:51  <PublicServer> *** cat666 has left the game (connection lost)
22:50:53  <KenjiE20> yes
22:51:04  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Maximum output from a sawmill is around 30k goods right?
22:51:05  <PublicServer> <V453000> that is kinda wrong
22:51:06  <PublicServer> *** cat666 has left the game (connection lost)
22:51:14  <PublicServer> *** cat666 has left the game (connection lost)
22:51:25  <PublicServer> <V453000> because if they dreamed they would already know and not make OOOOOOOOOOO_OOOOOOOOO when they see it
22:51:27  <KenjiE20> /WHOIS cat666: No such nick/channel
22:51:30  <KenjiE20> ^^ :(
22:51:39  <PublicServer> <V453000> no cats ?:(
22:51:41  <KenjiE20> they'll figure it out soon
22:51:45  <PublicServer> <V453000> :)
22:51:49  <Giddorah_> @seen thorinbur
22:51:49  <Webster> Giddorah_: thorinbur was last seen in #openttdcoop 2 days, 5 hours, 34 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <Thorinbur> !playercount
22:51:53  <PublicServer> <V453000> and then dream?
22:52:00  <Ammler> who is the guy, who wrote 2-way-prio?
22:52:04  <Ammler> wiki
22:52:08  <PublicServer> <V453000> Zerpa
22:52:11  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Wouldn't you agree on the forrest-idea V?
22:52:21  <KenjiE20> Zerp: ammler relay ping
22:52:23  <PublicServer> <V453000> what where when
22:52:24  <KenjiE20> :P
22:52:28  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> The main supply of forrests is positioned quite near the center of the map
22:52:33  <Ammler> he should make a Userpage
22:52:35  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> So it'd make sense to make a cross there
22:52:49  <KenjiE20> Giddorah_: no it doesn't
22:52:53  <PublicServer> <V453000> you mean crossing through the mountain?
22:52:59  <KenjiE20> by the time you start building, they'll be gone
22:53:05  <PublicServer> <V453000> ^
22:53:07  <KenjiE20> also 7% inclines
22:53:08  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Oh, okay :P
22:53:15  <KenjiE20> + NARS
22:53:20  <PublicServer> <V453000> that is basically the reason I didnt mind them :)
22:53:25  <PublicServer> <V453000> whats with NARS?
22:53:34  <hylje> Derp.
22:53:38  <KenjiE20> lowish speed/power
22:53:46  <PublicServer> <V453000> we dont have nars though
22:53:52  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> I forgot... You don't generally make plans around industries since most will relocate before building-phase right?
22:54:05  <PublicServer> <V453000> yes
22:54:11  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Roger
22:54:25  <KenjiE20> oh US trains even older
22:54:27  <PublicServer> <V453000> Kenji: we got US trainset which is just awsome
22:54:32  <PublicServer> <V453000> yes they are old
22:54:37  <PublicServer> <V453000> but very nice and good
22:55:20  <PublicServer> <V453000> wagons - amazing look, very good capacity, ridiculously quick unloading times
22:55:30  <PublicServer> <V453000> trains - well ... good as usual
22:55:59  <PublicServer> <V453000> and also nice pax trains :)
22:57:03  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> How about splitting the map in 9 cells with rail?
22:57:10  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Or 9 might be overkill
22:57:24  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> No wait... 9 should be quite good
22:57:38  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> It's 1024x1024 right?
22:57:43  <PublicServer> <V453000> 512
22:57:58  <PublicServer> <V453000> I would rather kill myself than submitting a 1024 map
22:58:07  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Oh... 170x170 isn't that much space I guess
22:58:36  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Better do a 4 by 4 then with 256x256
22:58:47  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Big hub in the middle
22:58:55  <PublicServer> <V453000> 4way?
22:58:58  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Yes
22:59:11  <PublicServer> <V453000> If I could give you an advice: stick with 3ways
22:59:23  <hylje> didn't original TT maps come in 64x64?
22:59:24  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Advice is always welcome :)
22:59:27  <PublicServer> <V453000> 4ways fail
22:59:32  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Oh?
22:59:39  <PublicServer> <V453000> I doubt it hylje
22:59:56  <PublicServer> *** Giddorah has left the game (connection lost)
22:59:58  <PublicServer> <V453000> 4ways are big and badly expandable
23:00:02  <Zerp> KenjiE20: what up?
23:00:18  <V453000> !auto
23:00:18  <PublicServer> *** V453000 has enabled autopause mode.
23:00:19  <PublicServer> *** Game paused (not enough players)
23:00:23  <KenjiE20> @Ammler | he should make a Userpage
23:00:36  *** roboboy has left #openttdcoop
23:00:39  <V453000> the usual suspects?
23:00:51  <V453000> I got the same idea not long time ago :)
23:01:11  <PublicServer> <V453000> oh
23:01:12  <PublicServer> <V453000> he
23:01:18  <V453000> not we
23:01:26  <V453000> eyes fail today ^^
23:01:32  <KenjiE20> !users
23:01:32  <PublicServer> KenjiE20:
23:01:32  *** Giddorah has joined #openttdcoop
23:01:33  <Giddorah> !password
23:01:33  <PublicServer> Giddorah: buttes
23:01:43  <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (not enough players)
23:01:44  <PublicServer> *** Giddorah joined the game
23:01:44  <KenjiE20> hylje: 256^ iirc
23:02:10  <Giddorah> 256x256 was the larges I think
23:02:19  *** cat666 has joined #openttdcoop
23:02:28  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Aight... Mainline along the coasts
23:03:00  <V453000> oh I just read "Mark - back in 2012" ... that could really mean end of the world through ultimate madness :D
23:03:09  <KenjiE20> ttdlx it was the only size iirc
23:03:56  <cat666> hi :)
23:03:58  *** Giddorah_ has quit IRC
23:04:34  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Aight... V :) How about this :)
23:04:38  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Mainline along coast
23:04:38  <V453000> hi Cat
23:04:47  <De_Ghosty> !8ball test
23:04:51  <De_Ghosty> damnit
23:04:57  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Split the north half of the map with one big line going towards the middle
23:05:01  <cat666> !help
23:05:01  <PublicServer> cat666:
23:05:03  <V453000> Giddorah: dont tell me :D I am just interested in the complete plan
23:05:11  <cat666> @quickstart
23:05:13  <Webster> Quickstart - #openttdcoop Wiki -
23:05:15  <KenjiE20> De_Ghosty: ! be for game, @ be for stuff
23:05:28  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Aight :) Do I post it through signs somehow?
23:05:30  <KenjiE20> hah, was wondering when you'd show cat666 :P
23:05:31  <De_Ghosty> !be
23:05:32  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Oh wait
23:05:33  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> I know :D
23:05:34  <De_Ghosty> what?
23:05:37  <De_Ghosty> are u talking about
23:05:57  <De_Ghosty> @8ball
23:05:57  <Webster> De_Ghosty: NO.
23:06:03  <De_Ghosty> @8ball am i sexy
23:06:03  <Webster> De_Ghosty: Obviously.
23:06:06  <V453000> Giddorah: see some older psg to see how a plan looks
23:06:14  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> I remember now :P
23:06:19  <De_Ghosty> @8ball does she like me?
23:06:19  <Webster> De_Ghosty: No clue.
23:06:20  <V453000> @8ball me is dumb
23:06:21  <Webster> V453000: Unlikely.
23:06:24  <KenjiE20> @wiki planning
23:06:27  <Webster> Planning - #openttdcoop Wiki -
23:06:33  <De_Ghosty> !dl win64
23:06:33  <PublicServer> De_Ghosty:
23:06:35  <cat666> has someone a hint for me where to find the password for the spectator mode?
23:06:48  <V453000> Kenji: never seen that page :D
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23:06:58  <V453000> @quickstart
23:07:00  <Webster> Quickstart - #openttdcoop Wiki -
23:07:01  <V453000> cat ^
23:07:10  <V453000> btw. I love cats :D
23:07:14  <cat666> xD
23:07:18  <De_Ghosty> !password
23:07:18  <PublicServer> De_Ghosty: buttes
23:07:59  <PublicServer> *** De_Ghost joined the game
23:08:11  <PublicServer> <De_Ghost> so where can i add my plan?
23:08:26  <Pirate87> !password
23:08:27  <PublicServer> Pirate87: buttes
23:08:27  <PublicServer> *** cat666 joined the game
23:08:30  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Oh... There's certain places you should place them?
23:08:41  <PublicServer> <De_Ghost> you place em with other ppls's
23:08:43  <PublicServer> <De_Ghost> usally
23:08:48  <V453000> mostly it is just somewhere ... see some flat spot
23:08:50  <PublicServer> <De_Ghost> or some big flat place
23:08:50  <KenjiE20> A flat place is usually good
23:08:54  <Pirate87> !dl win32
23:08:55  <PublicServer> Pirate87:
23:09:02  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Aight :)
23:09:13  <PublicServer> *** De_Ghost has left the game (leaving)
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23:10:05  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00012160:
23:10:26  <PublicServer> <V453000> oh and remember: there is a requirement of this scenario: This is a good game. Make the game good.
23:10:35  <PublicServer> <V453000> :D :P
23:10:36  <PublicServer> *** Pirate87 has left the game (connection lost)
23:10:53  <Pirate87> !password
23:10:53  <PublicServer> Pirate87: easing
23:10:59  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Sigh... Should have known there was a requirement
23:11:02  <PublicServer> <De_Ghost> what is is a sincario?
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23:12:13  <PublicServer> <V453000> nothing is a scenario ;)
23:12:35  <spuuukie> !password
23:12:35  <PublicServer> spuuukie: easing
23:12:39  <PublicServer> <De_Ghost> ok i am done
23:12:42  <PublicServer> *** De_Ghost has left the game (leaving)
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23:12:47  <De_Ghosty> wahahahha
23:12:48  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Haha
23:12:51  <PublicServer> <Spuuukie> hi :)
23:12:54  <PublicServer> <V453000> nice network layout there
23:12:58  <PublicServer> <V453000> hi Spuuukie
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23:15:40  <Zerp> whoopie, user page created
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23:16:58  <V453000> good specialization Zerpa :D
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23:19:09  <Zerp> well last game i connected a primary to an MSH
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23:21:52  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Wow... You're putting alot into detail Pirate :P
23:22:10  <PublicServer> <Spuuukie> hmm nice map... cant wait to see how its filled with rails :)
23:24:05  <PublicServer> <Spuuukie> well good night... and planning ;)
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23:25:07  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00012D65:
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23:26:50  <PublicServer> <V453000> hey
23:26:52  <PublicServer> <Zerpa> hi Xer
23:26:57  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> hello
23:26:58  <PublicServer> <V453000> welcome to winter
23:27:04  <PublicServer> <V453000> :p
23:27:10  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> we just entered spring :D
23:28:32  <PublicServer> <V453000> yes
23:28:39  <PublicServer> <V453000> thats the joke :)
23:28:44  <PublicServer> <V453000> it is snow all over here
23:28:53  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> oh, your brain is working again?
23:28:55  <PublicServer> <V453000> (the real "here")
23:29:11  <PublicServer> <V453000> well not *properly* but it is better than yesterday
23:30:51  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> this landscape is quite boring
23:30:58  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> so little height differences
23:31:00  <PublicServer> <V453000> it isnt somehow hard
23:31:03  <PublicServer> <V453000> thats true
23:31:19  <PublicServer> <V453000> but I found it nice as there is a lake area, then a mountain
23:31:46  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> yeah, but the mountain area could've been a bit more... mountainy
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23:32:17  <PublicServer> <Zerpa> southwest one is high :)
23:32:32  <PublicServer> <V453000> I am happy with it :)
23:33:00  <PublicServer> <V453000> Pirate: what is that mess to the southeast? :D hub?
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23:33:21  <PublicServer> <V453000> organized mess ^^
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23:34:52  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Farms and stuff are primaries right?
23:35:11  <PublicServer> <V453000> sure
23:35:23  <PublicServer> <V453000> you got quite confused by firs I see :D
23:35:47  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> You can tell? :P
23:36:46  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Hmmm
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23:37:03  <PublicServer> <V453000> interesting to watch how you change your ideas :D
23:37:10  <cat666> g2g ... cu ... have fun planing :)
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23:37:14  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Haha... Well :) I do have to :P
23:37:19  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> See you cat :)
23:38:06  <PublicServer> <V453000> it is better to have the idea complete before making the plan :) but why not improvisation
23:38:37  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Hehe... I make it up as I go :P
23:39:02  <PublicServer> <V453000> btw. also write down if you use Sunset trains for pax which go 321 speed
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23:40:09  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0000D34F:
23:40:20  <PublicServer> <V453000> they dont need it really :) they have ridiculously nice power
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23:41:10  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Well :) I want to add some sort of trouble when building :)
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23:44:16  <PublicServer> <V453000> advice: better to write "no coal" because gold isnt producing anything either :p
23:44:24  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Oh, right :D
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23:48:29  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Got to get some hotdogs... I'll think better
23:48:49  <PublicServer> <V453000> you make me hungry
23:49:47  <PublicServer> <V453000> nice plan Zerpa
23:50:26  <PublicServer> <Zerpa> ty
23:50:50  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Wow... Good and easy :P
23:55:11  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0000D554:
23:58:10  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> Bah
23:58:13  <PublicServer> <Giddorah> FIRS...
23:59:09  <PublicServer> <Zerpa> there's a newgrf error also... industrial stations renew. isn't loaded i think

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