Log for #openttdcoop on 28th April 2010:
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02:21:46  <KyleS> !players
02:21:48  <PublicServer> KyleS: There are currently no clients connected to the server
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02:59:07  <KyleS> @cl 5
02:59:07  <Webster> KyleS: (cl <no arguments>) -- Returns full name and reference url (if defined)
02:59:11  <KyleS> @curve 5
02:59:16  <KyleS> @curvelen 5
02:59:18  <KyleS> !cl
02:59:22  <KyleS> -_0
02:59:28  <KyleS> @wiki IRC_Commands
02:59:32  <Webster> IRC Commands - #openttdcoop Wiki -
02:59:59  <KyleS> !curve
02:59:59  <PublicServer> KyleS:
03:00:55  <KyleS> @clcalc monorail 5
03:00:55  <Webster> KyleS: A monorail Curve Length of 5 (9 half tiles) gives a speed of 324.0km/h or 202.5mph
03:01:06  <KyleS> @clcalc monorail 4
03:01:06  <Webster> KyleS: A monorail Curve Length of 4 (7 half tiles) gives a speed of 294.0km/h or 183.75mph
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04:50:25  <Korpse> !paeszwerd
04:50:38  <Korpse> !password
04:50:38  <PublicServer> Korpse: nudged
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05:41:49  <Mazur> Good morning, all.
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06:41:28  <Mazur> !info
06:41:28  <PublicServer> Mazur: #:1(Orange) Company Name: '#openttdcoop PSG#182'  Year Founded: 1960  Money: 36599451464  Loan: 0  Value: 36605199688  (T:1993, R:10, P:0, S:0) unprotected
06:41:45  <Mazur> 'k. still finalisingg, then.
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06:56:35  <V453000> !topic
06:56:46  <V453000> Mazur: better to see the topic ;)
06:56:47  <V453000> @topic
06:56:47  <Webster> V453000: Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG #182 (r19689) | STAGE: Finalizing | | New players, use @quickstart and !help | Screenshots: | Coopetition ladder: | Welcome to the depths of insanity
06:57:16  <Mazur> kthnx.
06:57:21  <V453000> yw
06:59:08  * Mazur is reading up on his homework from yesterday, anyway.  ;-)
07:00:16  <Mazur> But we all know what happens with that when an exciting game is at hand...  :-)
07:00:28  * Mazur whistles innocently.
07:02:17  <ODM> go do your homework:P
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07:08:14  <Vitus> !password
07:08:14  <PublicServer> Vitus: loomed
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07:29:24  <Mazur> Is there so little use in distinguishing between SL and the bits from industries to proper SL (perhaps to be called: EndLine).  I see in the Hierachy, that they both are simply called SL, yet one would not want an endline SL connected to the ML.
07:30:29  <Mazur> Just asking, because I'm a retard.
07:32:00  <planetmaker> technically it's not much of a difference. Practically you don't want an entire SLH just for one industry; it's better to build it such that additional industries can be connected to that SL as well.
07:32:12  <planetmaker> As such: build an SLH and a SL. And connect the industry to that SL.
07:33:39  <Mazur> Yes, which is why I distinguish in my head between SL and EL.
07:35:30  <Mazur> But apparently it's not such an issue in Coop, that to avoid confusion or simplify communication, that you do, as well in naming conventions.
07:35:55  <Mazur> -superfluous ,
07:45:01  <Mazur> Just read the page about Line-Sync.  An issue not mentioned there is, that both lines of a split must have equal signals, I noticed several pairs of bridges with bad throughput because one of the bridges had a (block) signal more.
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07:45:25  <Mazur> Just thought I'd mention it.
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07:57:45  <Mazur> Guck, ein Kerl.
07:58:03  <Mazur> Sorry, you must have heard that one a million times.
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08:01:26  <Mazur> Morning, Victor.
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08:17:57  <ralph_> !password
08:17:57  <PublicServer> ralph_: claret
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08:25:42  <VictorOfSweden> Mazur: mornin'
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08:33:05  <Ryton> !screen
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08:49:28  <ODM> dont you hate it when you buy a new HDD and realize youve run out of sata cables:p
08:50:30  <hylje> aww
08:51:20  <ODM> thanks for your sympathy:P
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08:56:07  <V453000> what else to say :D
08:56:37  <ODM> "no worries, ill bring a new one over":P
08:57:40  <Paul2> "BWAHAHAHA sucks to be you" ?
08:58:25  <ODM> thats not nice
08:59:30  <Paul2> true
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09:09:25  <Ryton> no, I dont hate it :-) you just put it in an external housing then, no?
09:09:44  <Ryton> or on a network hub somewhere :p ;-)
09:10:09  <Ryton> (but the upload & dl speed is terrible then,  I know)
09:14:11  <KloBass> @quickstart
09:14:14  <Webster> Quickstart - #openttdcoop Wiki -
09:19:00  <V453000> Welcome KloBass :)
09:20:32  <planetmaker> did I mention that "Klo" means toilet?
09:20:33  <KloBass> V453000: thanks :)
09:20:34  <KloBass> no
09:20:41  <KloBass> and it does not :)
09:21:22  <KloBass> klobas is something like sausage
09:21:39  <planetmaker> everytime I see your nick I get the mental image of a deep male voice singing in the toilet...
09:21:48  <KloBass> good good
09:22:01  <planetmaker> :-)
09:23:37  <planetmaker> no offence ment, I just felt like sharing that image :-P
09:23:42  <planetmaker> *meant
09:24:59  <KloBass> none offene taken
09:25:03  <KloBass> offence
09:27:27  <V453000> in which language KloBass?
09:28:00  <ODM> thats not a nice image.
09:28:15  <V453000> ?
09:28:21  <V453000> oh
09:28:23  <V453000> lol
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10:00:31  <Mazur> A bit like W.C. Fields.
10:00:54  <ODM> toiletfields!
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10:01:52  <Phazorx> KloBass - may be "kolbass" then? which would be like "Kiełbasa" or "колбаса"
10:02:16  <Pirate_87> hi guys
10:02:38  <Korpse> !password
10:02:38  <PublicServer> Korpse: robing
10:02:50  <Pirate_87> klobass is preety far from kiełbasa :)
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10:04:00  <Phazorx> 13:21	KloBass	klobas is something like sausage < Pirate_87
10:04:50  <Pirate_87> Phazorx, i meant it doesn't sound alike :)
10:05:03  <KloBass1> czech
10:05:07  <Phazorx> i does to me :)
10:05:13  <Phazorx> and that was russian/polish
10:05:45  <KloBass1> its in czech language
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10:06:47  <V453000> :)
10:07:16  *** KloBass1 is now known as KloBass
10:07:16  <Phazorx> in russian genetive case plural form of sausage would sound like "kolbas" :)
10:07:25  <Pirate_87> if it's czech then it does, i read it like it was english
10:07:27  <KloBass> its not in russian
10:08:00  <V453000> Klobas is just like one single sausage
10:08:07  <KloBass> yes
10:08:07  <V453000> not genitive not plural :)
10:08:14  <KloBass> klobass is hmm
10:08:16  <KloBass> modification
10:08:17  <KloBass> :)
10:08:27  <KloBass> word joke
10:08:50  <Korpse> Korpse is corpse spelt with a K for no reason
10:09:02  <V453000> oh really? :D
10:09:38  <Korpse> yea lol super amazin
10:09:57  <V453000> V is a random letter and 453000 means "look how retarded I am"
10:10:31  *** Mazur is now known as V999999
10:10:38  <V999999> Like this>
10:10:41  <V999999> ?
10:10:44  <V453000> no
10:10:49  *** V999999 is now known as Mazur
10:10:55  <Mazur> For me, I mean.
10:11:14  <KloBass> inst better
10:11:15  <Korpse> i thought it meant youve done 453000 revisions of yourself so your version 453000 now which is super advanced
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10:11:25  <lookiamretard> hey
10:11:26  <lookiamretard> look
10:11:29  <lookiamretard> :-D
10:11:40  * V453000 is blind probably
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10:12:00  <Korpse> who fixed the massive teraforming trangar did lol
10:12:05  <V453000> !password
10:12:05  <PublicServer> V453000: dulled
10:12:19  <V453000> wut the hell?
10:12:19  <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players)
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10:12:44  <PublicServer> <V453000> mas
10:12:51  <PublicServer> <V453000> massive tf?
10:13:23  <Korpse> he lowered a lot of the corner where the network plans are
10:13:30  <PublicServer> <V453000> WHAT THE FUCK
10:13:33  <PublicServer> <V453000> who stopped all trains
10:13:36  <Korpse> it  was ocean world
10:14:55  <KloBass> :-D
10:15:58  <KloBass> fishie fishie
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10:16:13  <PublicServer> <V453000> ??
10:16:19  <V453000> !fish
10:16:19  <PublicServer> V453000: Today's fish is sashimi from octopus, salmon and tuna with a bowl of rice
10:16:42  <PeterT> !fish
10:16:42  <PublicServer> PeterT: Today's fish is a sword fish, battered and fried.
10:16:50  <KloBass> !fruit
10:16:52  <KloBass> !fish
10:16:52  <PublicServer> KloBass: Today's fish is sashimi from octopus, salmon and tuna with a bowl of rice
10:16:53  <PeterT> yumm
10:17:01  <KloBass> !dump
10:17:04  <PeterT> KloBass: today's fruit is a mix of fruit and fruit.
10:17:07  <KloBass> !meat
10:17:07  <V453000> octopus :/
10:17:51  <PublicServer> <Korpse> these some maize in your eyes
10:18:03  <PublicServer> <Korpse> *throws maize*
10:18:08  <PublicServer> <V453000> ??
10:20:00  <Mazur> Korpse: KenjiE20 did a rollback.
10:20:16  <PublicServer> <Korpse> oh ok lol
10:20:54  <Mazur> And talkd with and punished trangar.
10:21:05  <PublicServer> <V453000> what did trangar do?
10:21:06  <PublicServer> <Korpse> lol
10:21:12  <PublicServer> <Korpse> tf
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10:22:02  <PublicServer> <V453000> that top corner crap?
10:22:03  <Mazur> If you need/want to know, I could join the game and point out the extent, roughly.
10:22:20  <Mazur> Yes.
10:22:21  <PublicServer> <V453000> no need
10:22:26  <Mazur> 'k/
10:22:52  <PublicServer> <Korpse> he sunk about 200x400 down to sealevel in the network map corner lol
10:22:57  <PeterT> @quotes
10:22:58  <Webster> #openttdcoop quotes: latest quotes -
10:23:12  <Mazur> Later someone else also banned his IP.
10:23:18  <V453000> no wonders
10:23:27  <Tray> !password
10:23:27  <PublicServer> Tray: dulled
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10:24:19  <V453000> well I never liked his behaviour but I didnt expect him to be such an asshole
10:25:10  <Mazur> He made no excuses, didn't try to avoid punishment at all.
10:25:27  <V453000> @logs
10:25:27  <Webster> Logs:
10:26:12  <KloBass> is publicserver on?
10:26:24  <PeterT> Mazur: who?
10:26:36  <Mazur> PeterT: Who what?
10:26:39  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0000E5F6:
10:26:48  <KloBass> PeterT: trangar i guess
10:26:49  <PeterT> <Mazur> He made no excuses, didn't try to avoid punishment at all. <-- Who?
10:26:54  <PeterT> ag
10:26:56  <PeterT> *ah
10:27:02  <PeterT> I'm off
10:27:04  <PeterT> goodbye
10:27:08  <KloBass> but have no idea just by history
10:27:36  <Mazur> Yes, KloBass.
10:27:47  * KloBass roxx
10:28:23  <Mazur> He immediately realised he'd overstepped the mark and fully accepted the consequences, when he was spoken to about it.
10:29:16  <PublicServer> <Korpse> hes probably a teenager and thats normal
10:29:34  <PublicServer> <Korpse> stupid actions occur before thought
10:30:47  <ODM> thats not an excuse
10:31:07  <KloBass> guick question if i downloaded openttdcoop grfs and unpacked correct place is data\ottdc_grfpa?ck\... or data\...
10:31:09  <KloBass> ?
10:31:54  <ODM> i have it in mydocuments/OpenTTD/data/ottdc_grfpack/
10:32:04  <ODM> with the slashes the other way round ofc
10:32:07  <KloBass> ok
10:32:36  <ODM> if you put it in mydocuments itll work for all your openttd installs, if you have more than 1
10:32:37  <KloBass> thanks
10:32:47  <KloBass> well no windows here
10:32:52  <KloBass> this is linux land
10:32:54  <ODM> ah then i dont know^^
10:33:03  <KloBass> on silent nights you can hear windows rebooting
10:33:05  <PublicServer> <Korpse> windows is the suck
10:33:16  <KloBass> ODM: np ;)
10:35:45  <V453000> oh I wasnt here yesterday
10:35:47  <Mazur> I guess the equivalent would be ~/.openttd/data/ottdc_grfpack/
10:35:52  <V453000> now I realized :D
10:35:59  <V453000> was sick ._.
10:36:12  <ODM> all better?
10:36:15  <V453000> but really ... trangar is an idiot.
10:36:17  <V453000> yes, im fine
10:36:21  <ODM> woo
10:36:27  <KloBass> ~/.openttd/content_download/data/ottdc_grfpack
10:36:30  <KloBass> i have mine
10:36:42  <ODM> no not in the content download:)
10:36:43  <ODM> one up
10:36:48  <KloBass> no data there :(
10:36:49  <KloBass> but ok
10:36:53  <PublicServer> <Korpse> Welcome to planet earth, please take a seat.
10:37:26  <V453000> afaik grfs should be ok when they are anywhere \data\...
10:37:49  <KloBass> ill try later on
10:37:53  <KloBass> still @work
10:38:08  <V453000> I have it directly in the OpenTTD folder /data
10:38:13  <V453000> not in documents
10:38:21  <PublicServer> <Korpse> so how often is everything restarted again on this server?
10:38:24  <V453000> (dont know how others do)
10:38:33  <V453000> Korpse: depends
10:39:09  <V453000> see the dates in the archive to get exact numbers... but a "normal" game lasts ~2 weeks
10:39:10  <PublicServer> <Korpse> i judt dont want to miss the restart, would be interesting
10:39:22  <ODM> the restart isnt interesting:P
10:39:24  <PublicServer> <V453000> nothing interesting to see really
10:39:53  <ODM> V, you can put it directly in the openttd folder, but then i thought it only counted for that install
10:39:57  <ODM> but thats on windows
10:40:04  <V453000> ehh
10:40:09  <V453000> :) windows :)
10:40:19  <V453000> I dont have OpenTTD installed
10:40:34  <V453000> I only have folders with it and added the original TTD files
10:40:46  <PublicServer> <Korpse> i have 3 install and they are all from zips and i have all the grfs in each
10:40:54  <V453000> to be honest ... I dont really know anymore how it works :D but it does
10:41:21  <Ammler> @donotreadme
10:41:22  <V453000> I have just 5 folders for each version I use atm
10:41:25  <Webster> User:KenjiE20/Webster - #openttdcoop Wiki -
10:41:42  <ODM> lol ok:P
10:42:03  <V453000> the only bad thing is that grfs dont update altogether
10:42:21  <V453000> which could make a lot of mess
10:42:22  <Ammler> V453000: with console
10:42:29  <Ammler> content update
10:42:35  <Ammler> content select all
10:42:39  <Ammler> content upgrade
10:42:41  <V453000> yeah sure
10:42:42  <Ammler> content download
10:42:52  <V453000> I could do that even through game
10:42:55  <V453000> or not?
10:42:58  <Ammler> yes
10:43:03  <V453000> yep
10:43:23  <Ammler> but then, you download everything
10:43:34  <Ammler> so maybe you should skip selcet all
10:43:46  <PublicServer> <Korpse> u know how stations can be joined without them touching
10:43:55  <PublicServer> <Korpse> hows that done
10:44:49  <PublicServer> <V453000> stations joined without them touching?
10:44:50  <PublicServer> <V453000> dont get that
10:45:32  <PublicServer> <Korpse> platforms on the same station that dont touch each other
10:45:45  <PublicServer> <V453000> ah
10:45:54  <PublicServer> <V453000> ctrl click when building a station
10:46:00  <ralph__> !password
10:46:00  <PublicServer> ralph__: jurors
10:46:19  <PublicServer> *** ralph_ joined the game
10:46:23  <PublicServer> <Korpse> oh ok just never used it
10:46:45  <PublicServer> <V453000> pretty useful
10:47:03  <KloBass> Korpse: can you explain it more?
10:47:19  <KloBass> V453000: or you?
10:47:49  <V453000> what exactly
10:47:56  <PublicServer> <Korpse> in the original game all platforms need to touch each other
10:48:00  <Ammler> @man hidden features
10:48:02  <Webster> Hidden features - OpenTTD -
10:48:06  <PublicServer> <Korpse> to be the same station
10:48:37  <PublicServer> <Korpse> but openttd has a cool feature so they dont need to be :P
10:49:05  <KloBass> ok
10:50:00  <V453000> you just ctrl-click anywhere when building another station and you can join it to an already existing one ... provided station spread allows it
10:50:20  <KloBass> oh
10:50:22  <KloBass> awesome
10:50:27  <KloBass> jsut readed hidden features
10:50:40  <V453000> there is a new one coming
10:50:45  <V453000> ctrl+click on a train
10:50:47  <PeterT> View current vehicle destination (r19216 / 1.0)	 Vehicle window -> Ctrl + click the Start-Stop/Status bar  <-- that's an interesting one :-)
10:50:50  <V453000> makes it start/top
10:50:52  <V453000> yeah
10:50:55  <V453000> thats it
10:52:14  <PeterT> this picture looks awful, to whoever put it up:
10:52:26  <PeterT> way too many black trees
10:52:42  <V453000> OpenGFX - autofail
10:52:49  <PeterT> Agree
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10:52:57  <PeterT> well, not exactly
10:53:02  <PeterT> OpenGFX isn't bad
10:53:05  <PeterT> at least it's free!
10:53:14  <V453000> yeah but thats the only advantage
10:53:39  <PeterT> cya later, V453000
10:53:43  <V453000> cay
10:53:45  <V453000> cya
10:53:52  <PeterT> make sure to answer !admin calls in #sn ;-)
10:54:08  <planetmaker> <V453000> yeah but thats the only advantage <-- pff!
10:54:13  <planetmaker> Definitely not.
10:54:19  <ODM> it makes tyland bareable^^
10:54:36  <planetmaker> For one. It has the nicer coast. Nicer trees
10:54:47  <planetmaker> more variety in the rolling stock
10:54:50  <V453000> nicer water and canals indeed
10:54:53  <Mazur> Oh, to build last thype of bridge I normally press sort in the early parts of the session, to use '1'.
10:55:01  <V453000> ODM: I played the whole 181 with original windows ;)
10:55:19  <ODM> lol... poor sod
10:55:44  <planetmaker> actually I see no single advantage in the original one.
10:55:47  <planetmaker> It makes one dizzy
10:55:52  <planetmaker> in all climates
10:56:07  <V453000> its very detailed
10:56:31  <PeterT> ^
10:56:41  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0007E55C:
10:56:54  <planetmaker> yeah. Like having one station type.
10:57:12  <Korpse> lol
10:57:16  <V453000> well
10:57:20  <PeterT> OGFX has more than one station type?
10:57:24  <V453000> it does Peter
10:57:25  <planetmaker> of course
10:57:34  <V453000> but they all suck :))
10:57:41  <planetmaker> @kick V453000
10:57:41  *** V453000 was kicked by Webster (planetmaker)
10:57:44  <planetmaker> :-)
10:57:44  <PeterT> I did not know this.
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10:57:55  <KloBass> lol
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10:58:05  <Webster> Welcome back, Peter!
10:58:20  <PeterT> Thanks Webster!
10:58:30  * KloBass lold
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10:59:03  * planetmaker hugs V453000 
10:59:13  * V453000 runs away
10:59:19  * PeterT trips the V453000 
10:59:19  <planetmaker> peew
10:59:26  * PeterT props V453000 up on a stick
10:59:32  * ODM farts
10:59:35  <V453000> shelter!
10:59:41  * V453000 digs underground
11:00:04  <PeterT> quote material right here, folks
11:00:15  <PublicServer> *** ralph_ has left the game (leaving)
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11:00:24  <planetmaker> nothing quote-worthy ;-)
11:00:47  <V453000> yeah
11:02:38  * Korpse lol
11:02:52  * Korpse throws maize at eyes
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11:03:20  * Mazur realises he has to take Pbs_prio_bridge.PNG apart to see if and why all parts are needed and what they precisely do.
11:03:29  <planetmaker> V453000, you might want to enable auto-join for our channels ;-)
11:04:01  <KenjiE20> Mazur: yes probably, since thats a bare bones one iirc
11:04:02  <V453000> he
11:04:23  <Mazur> eye-maize.  Well, it's a change from eye-candy.
11:05:01  <planetmaker> I just wanted to kick you. But not kick you out ;-) :-P
11:05:28  <V453000> I DONT BELIEVE YOU!
11:05:31  * V453000 clies
11:05:40  <KenjiE20> hey
11:05:48  <PublicServer> <Korpse> OMG I SAW A TRAIN JUST NOW
11:05:49  <V453000> wat? :D
11:05:49  <KenjiE20> only I get to muck my rs and ls up
11:06:17  <V453000> if V453000 knew what rs and ls means, he might even comment it :)
11:06:17  <KenjiE20> "clies" isn't a word
11:06:26  <V453000> was supposed to be cries
11:06:46  <V453000> pretty weird typo D:
11:07:49  * planetmaker cries, too. V453000 is mean... :-( Picking senselessly and pointlessly at beautiful graphics
11:08:10  <planetmaker> While still holding back all those lovely comic house sprites he must meanwhile have lying around...
11:08:19  <V453000> ohh :-D
11:08:22  <V453000> now im fucked
11:08:27  <planetmaker> hehe :-P
11:08:34  * ODM is confused
11:08:49  <planetmaker> If V453000 doesn't explain, I won't ;-)
11:09:09  <ODM> is ok
11:09:10  <V453000> but serisously, nothing personal against you, I respect your work on OpenGFX, but original pixelart fits OpenTTD M.U.C.H. more
11:09:21  <ODM> im cleaning my closet, its such a mess:S
11:09:44  <V453000> ODM: I just told planetmaker I will participate on his comic houses grf project ... everybody forgot that by now
11:10:07  <KenjiE20> comicset needs to be a basegrf!
11:10:25  <Mazur> Default, even.
11:10:56  * V453000 is even more fucked now
11:11:09  <Mazur> me wants sprites dancing on his platforms to indicate waiting passenger load.
11:11:50  <Mazur> Eek!  Where did that slash go?
11:12:03  * Mazur quickly checks his wrists.
11:12:13  <Mazur> *phew*  No harm done.
11:13:44  <ODM> comic houses, mustve missed tat
11:14:17  <KenjiE20> @ttf 8bpp comicset
11:14:18  <Webster> Transport Tycoon Forums • Information -
11:14:30  <KenjiE20> bah
11:14:48  <KenjiE20> wait, no one has used "comicset" on the entirety of TT-F?!
11:15:09  <KenjiE20> <-- odm
11:15:10  <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums • View topic - [UNIV] Comic Set (at
11:15:45  <Ryton> pff
11:15:49  <Ryton> crappy autoaway
11:15:57  <Ryton> dont know how to shut it off, sorry
11:16:07  <KenjiE20> yours must be local
11:16:10  <KenjiE20> which is fine
11:16:23  <Ryton> not like this :p
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11:18:40  <ODM> woo found sata cable:D
11:18:51  <Mazur> Conga rats!
11:22:01  <KloBass> :))
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11:22:24  <V453000> I guess Diamonds Drop is best for archive image ...
11:22:28  <V453000> any better suggestions?
11:23:11  <ODM> is that yours?:P
11:23:21  <V453000> *what a coincidence*
11:23:24  <KloBass> V453000: show me
11:23:29  <ODM> !password
11:23:29  <PublicServer> ODM: heckle
11:23:37  <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players)
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11:23:59  <V453000> KloBass: no image yet ... suggestion ingame on the server
11:24:25  <ODM> how about the entire drop there + a bit of town, one tick zoomed out
11:24:53  <V453000> good idea
11:25:01  <PublicServer> <0DM> also, YUM!
11:26:02  <KloBass> V453000: :(
11:27:03  <PublicServer> <0DM> or else south of suningville, the bit with the 3 different-TL ML's next to eachother
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11:28:31  <V453000> ODM: that joiner should be all in CL3 so I wouldnt give it much attention :D
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11:29:56  <ODM> i didnt mean the joiner per se
11:30:28  <PublicServer> <Amm1er> shall I flag long red priods?
11:30:31  <V453000> ahh
11:30:43  <V453000> otherwise there are just straight rails ODM :)
11:30:46  <V453000> Ammler: go on :)
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11:31:12  <PublicServer> <Amm1er> hmm, too many
11:31:37  <ODM> gogo straight rails:D
11:34:00  <PublicServer> <Amm1er> there is a copper mine, which could use your overflow v:-)
11:34:40  <V453000> OR less trains I suppose :P
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11:36:49  <KloBass> still no screenshot?
11:37:03  <V453000> btw. endless-wait prios have both cons and pros at the same time
11:37:06  <Ammler> !screen
11:37:08  <PublicServer> *** Ammler made screenshot at 00005295:
11:37:27  <Ammler> it is broken, again :-(
11:37:33  <KloBass> great :-D
11:37:37  <Ammler> !screen
11:37:37  <PublicServer> *** Ammler liked to make screenshot of last action, but nobody was working since. (
11:37:40  <KloBass> something more interesting
11:37:42  <KloBass> :-D
11:38:05  <V453000>
11:38:07  <Ammler> !screen
11:38:07  <V453000> ^
11:38:09  <PublicServer> *** Ammler made screenshot at 0000A877:
11:38:12  <V453000> Ammler: he meant this
11:39:24  <PublicServer> *** Amm1er has left the game (connection lost)
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11:40:17  <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players)
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11:40:55  <V453000> o_O
11:43:12  <Ammler> did you archive the game already?
11:43:16  <Ammler> !archive
11:43:16  <PublicServer> Ammler: http://www.openttdcoop.ORG/wiki/PublicServer:Archive | |
11:43:41  <V453000> about 2 minutes
11:43:45  <V453000> and its done
11:44:18  <KenjiE20> should we updating the servers while you're doing stuff?
11:45:08  <Ammler> !content
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11:46:11  <Ammler> it is a bit stupid to run ls in autosaves
11:46:34  <Ammler> (it broke autopilot)
11:48:19  <KloBass1> why there is maglev not used?
11:49:03  <V453000> counterquestion> why to use maglev
11:49:58  <KloBass1> it is faster?
11:49:59  <Progman> KloBass1: DB-Set don't have cargo for maglev
11:50:00  <V453000> Kenji: would be kind :)
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11:50:13  <Ammler> faster doesn't need to be more effective
11:50:16  <V453000> faster doesnt neccessarily mean better
11:50:17  <V453000> yeah
11:50:43  <Ammler> maglev needs a lot more space
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11:50:59  <KloBass1> Ammler: for turning right?
11:51:08  <V453000> no
11:51:10  <V453000> accelerating
11:51:22  <Ammler> hmm, everything :-)
11:51:27  <V453000> true :)
11:51:29  <V453000> more platforms too
11:51:36  <Ammler> accel, curves, gaps
11:51:45  <V453000> curves are the same as for rails
11:52:07  <V453000> @clcalc mlev 483
11:52:07  <Webster> V453000: (clcalc <railtype> [<tilt>] <cl|km/h>) -- For a number <30 this calculates the speed for <cl> on <railtype>. For any other numbers, this calculates the CL required for <railtype> travelling at <km/h>, assuming TL is small enough. [<tilt>] will apply tilt bonuses to the calculation.
11:52:08  <KloBass1> why more platforms?
11:52:11  <Ammler> hmm, the speed of dbset is lower, therefore it isn't the same
11:52:47  <V453000> @clcalc maglev 483
11:52:47  <Webster> V453000: Required CL for maglev at 483km/h is 7 (13 half tiles) or TL
11:52:58  <V453000> ok ... if we used Lev3, CL is 7
11:53:02  <V453000> for DB set it is 6
11:53:20  <V453000> anyways ... maglev sucks :)
11:53:39  <V453000> KloBass: because they unload very slow in relative with their speed
11:53:53  <V453000> so a lot of them gets into the platforms fast, but they stay there for long
11:54:12  <KloBass1> ic
11:54:33  <V453000> archive entry ready
11:54:44  <V453000> btw
11:54:46  <Mazur> Regular trains probably also give you mor chance to correct small erros on a life network?
11:55:19  <V453000> well
11:55:24  <V453000> thats not much of a difference
11:55:25  <Mazur> more, errors, live
11:55:27  <Mazur> Ok.
11:55:29  <V453000> if you know what youre doing
11:55:34  <Mazur> My point.
11:55:38  <Mazur> s/you/me/
11:55:44  <KloBass1> :-D
11:56:55  <Mazur> Especially with people commenting on what I'm trying to do and urging me to speed.
11:57:00  <V453000> if you rebuild a junction like you bomb it and start again, it doesnt matter much because it will most likely jam the network real bad. And if you just correct small errors, you *should* be able to do it without any (or just low) interruption to the flow
11:58:16  <V453000> but, in a sense, you could say maglevs make it worse ... speaking of Lev4s especially
11:58:42  * Mazur nods.
11:58:51  <V453000> because if they even slowdown a bit, their bad acceleration makes many others slow down behind them
11:59:34  <Ammler> monorail is nice sometimes :-)
11:59:47  <V453000> everything is nice sometimes :)
11:59:58  * Mazur shall not attempt to "quickly" upgrade a wrong block signal to a OWP with maglev about to pass.
12:00:14  <Ammler> you can't
12:00:36  <Ammler> hmm, what's "OWP"
12:00:38  <Ammler> ?
12:00:44  <Mazur> One Way Path
12:00:59  <KloBass1> and dbset?
12:01:00  <Mazur> 5 clicks away.
12:01:07  <Ammler> you are the only one saying that btw.
12:01:15  <Ammler> everyone else say pbs
12:01:26  <Mazur> Yes, but there is one way and two way.
12:01:49  <KloBass1> (what is dbset?)
12:02:01  <Ammler> the oldest and best newgrf :-)
12:02:01  <Mazur> Deutche Baahn set, I'm guessing.
12:02:02  <V453000> grf set you can see in the 121 screen
12:02:05  <Mazur> -a
12:02:08  <Mazur> +s
12:02:15  <KloBass1> ok
12:02:37  <Ammler> (best in sense most used by #openttdcoop)
12:02:45  <V453000> best.
12:02:45  <PublicServer> <Korpse> Electrified Rails
12:03:37  <Mazur> I agree, but I've not seen how people distinguish between PBS and PBS.
12:03:38  <Ammler> but that is simply because of br182, which is simply the best lok ;-)
12:03:48  <Mazur> Oh.
12:03:51  <V453000> yep
12:03:57  <V453000> BR182 is insanely good :)
12:04:28  <V453000> Mazur: we dont recognize between PBS and PBS but we dont call them OWP
12:04:42  <PublicServer> <Korpse> need some new priority signal
12:04:51  <Mazur> 'k.
12:05:02  <Ammler> just call them by words (path or block signls)
12:05:02  <V453000> Korpse: wtf
12:05:04  * Mazur shall try to desist.
12:05:19  <PublicServer> <Korpse> wtf about?
12:05:30  <V453000> <Korpse> need some new priority signal
12:06:03  <PublicServer> <Korpse> replace the need 4 building those haxy looking parralel prio lanes
12:06:26  <V453000> which would utterly suck :)
12:06:53  <PublicServer> <Korpse> too simple for u lol
12:07:20  <V453000> no
12:07:25  <V453000> if you look at it ...
12:07:51  <V453000> our gameplay of OpenTTD is massive things which consist of the most simple pieces
12:07:57  <KenjiE20> Korpse: see soft reserve PBS on TT-F
12:08:04  <KenjiE20> also see massive overhead :P
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12:08:32  <V453000> @dict overhead
12:08:33  <Webster> V453000: wn: overhead adj : located or originating from above; "an overhead crossing" [ant: {surface}, {subsurface}] n 1: the expense of maintaining property (e.g., paying property taxes and utilities and insurance); it does not include depreciation or the cost of financing or income taxes [syn: {operating expense}, {operating cost}, {budget items}] 2: (computer science) the processing (2 more messages)
12:08:48  <V453000> ahhh like overhead
12:09:07  <V453000> :)
12:09:15  <V453000> dict is one of the best features
12:09:34  <Korpse> @dict WTF
12:09:35  <Webster> Korpse: No definition for "WTF" could be found in wn
12:09:46  <KenjiE20> you want udict for that
12:09:52  <Korpse> lol
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12:09:56  <dih> hey
12:10:00  <V453000> hi dih
12:10:07  <dih> anybody use rrd tool? or munin? cacti? ...
12:10:23  <dih> oh V453000 - i enjoyed the screenshots in your last blogpost
12:10:33  <Korpse> @dict disestablishmentarianism
12:10:34  <Webster> Korpse: No definition for "disestablishmentarianism" could be found in wn
12:10:36  <V453000> he :) thanks ... not everyone shares that :)
12:10:41  <dih> i was considering the option of using openttdlib to create a graph ^^
12:11:12  <dih> well, that's what blogs are, are they not? :-D
12:11:18  <dih> a lot of readers and shared opinions ^^
12:11:29  <dih> and ... of course the different ones :-D
12:11:30  <V453000> :)
12:11:42  <V453000> yep
12:12:20  <dih> you only have games with one company right?
12:12:42  <V453000> me?
12:12:47  <Mazur> Q: In the BBH example in the Wiki, tunnels and bridges aren;t doubled despite signal gap 1, is that for simplicity or am I overlooking something?
12:12:55  <Korpse> @dict antidisestablishmentarianism
12:12:56  <Webster> Korpse: No definition for "antidisestablishmentarianism" could be found in wn
12:13:14  <V453000> Mazur: really many things in the wiki are outdated
12:13:26  <dih> V453000: no - openttdcoop ;-)
12:13:34  <V453000> ah ok
12:13:41  <KenjiE20> dih; here yes, elsewhere no
12:13:49  <Mazur> Ok, just checking whether it was me or it.
12:14:02  <V453000> Kenji: PS 02 had more companies :D
12:14:13  <dih> ps 02?
12:14:16  <dih> oh snap!
12:14:20  <V453000> psg02
12:14:24  <dih> ah
12:14:31  <dih> that's a difference ;-)
12:15:06  <dih> i was just thinking along the lines of multiple companies, each company doeing it's coop
12:15:14  <V453000> :)
12:15:21  <dih> aw well ^^
12:15:21  * Mazur thwaps himself: "Be careful: this mainline has a temporary solution: the tunnels and bridges are all single for example purposes."
12:15:24  <V453000> Mazur: the single bridges are choice lines
12:15:50  <V453000> oh you meant that one at the top
12:15:51  <V453000> kk
12:16:19  <Mazur> My mistake, do carry on.
12:19:01  <Korpse> what is C169723H270464N45688O52243S912
12:19:32  <V453000> where you found that
12:20:09  <dih> probably below the barcode tatooed to his rear end ^^
12:20:22  <V453000> lol
12:20:31  <Korpse> The Free Encyclopedia
12:20:41  <Korpse> @wikipedia lol
12:20:42  <Webster> LOL - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia -
12:20:55  <Korpse> lol
12:21:00  <dih> perhaps, if you read on, or search the very same page, you'll find out
12:21:08  <dih> e.g.
12:21:15  <dih> @wikipedia C169723H270464N45688O52243S912
12:21:16  <Webster> C169723H270464N45688O52243S912 - Search results - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia -
12:21:18  <dih> hehe
12:23:14  <Korpse> empirical chemical formula for titin, the largest known protein with an IUPAC name consisting of 189,819 letters
12:24:00  <Korpse> thats long :P
12:24:45  <Mazur> It's 153 letters short.
12:25:01  <Paul2> its over 9000 that's for sure
12:25:03  <Mazur> Then it would be 189,981 letters.
12:25:29  <Mazur> 152
12:25:30  <dih> hehe
12:25:32  <KenjiE20> umm
12:25:33  <KenjiE20> yea
12:25:38  <dih> nerds!
12:25:46  <Korpse> @udict over 9000
12:25:46  <Webster>
12:26:03  <KenjiE20> that's still wrong Mazur
12:26:04  <KloBass1> OVER 9000
12:26:10  <KloBass1> !!!!!
12:26:24  <Mazur> Possibly, my head is full of Wiki details.
12:26:38  <Mazur> They have not settled yet.
12:26:40  <Paul2> inb4 *chan meme
12:26:40  <KenjiE20> @calc 189981 - 189819
12:26:40  <Webster> KenjiE20: 162
12:26:44  <Korpse> ive become aware of an amazing fact
12:27:03  <Korpse> i am alive despite my name
12:27:22  <Mazur> We've only got your word for it.
12:27:25  <KloBass1> iam not ass despite my name
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12:27:36  <Korpse> @ebay confectionary
12:28:44  <V453000> BFG 9000 from Doom? :P
12:28:49  <dih> oh man - some people can really annoy the guts out of you!
12:29:49  <Korpse> @lmgtfy Find it on ebay - Delicious imported confectionary from exotic countries like Tasmania
12:30:16  <KenjiE20> @kick Korpse stop it
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12:30:33  <PublicServer> <Korpse> lol soz
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12:32:31  <dih> lol? the webchat is on Ammlers server? :-D
12:32:32  <dih> haha
12:32:36  * Mazur has been called "very intelligent" twice last game.
12:32:57  <dih> Mazur: treasure it - might not happen again :-D
12:33:01  <Mazur> With a lot of study and some more effort, I can improve on that and get called it at least 6 times next game.
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12:33:12  <Mazur> ;-)
12:33:49  <Mazur> dih: FYI: Both times were sarcastically, and I was speaking ironically.
12:35:07  <dih> tehe
12:35:57  <Mazur> Which rule is more recent: BBH should be fully balanced or inner-to-inner&outer-outer only.
12:36:07  <Korpse> that 18.6 day injection timer by Mark is crazy/awesome
12:36:15  <Mazur> BBH and MLH contradict eachother on that score.
12:36:31  <Mazur> And as I understand so far, those are the same thing?
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12:42:33  <Mazur> Spoke to soon again, I think.
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12:46:04  <FiCE> !info
12:46:04  <PublicServer> FiCE: #:1(Orange) Company Name: '#openttdcoop PSG#182'  Year Founded: 1960  Money: 37312929668  Loan: 0  Value: 37318566146  (T:1993, R:10, P:0, S:0) unprotected
12:47:11  <FiCE> !password
12:47:11  <PublicServer> FiCE: matron
12:47:25  <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players)
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12:47:55  <Ammler> dih, and why "lol"? :-)
12:49:02  <V453000> Ammler: could you please load a new map? :)
12:49:27  <Ammler> with update?
12:49:39  <V453000> yeah
12:49:53  <V453000> the new ctrl+click feature rox
12:50:07  <FiCE> what does it do?
12:50:41  <Ammler> compiling...
12:50:53  <V453000> ctrl+click on train makes a train stop/start, FiCE
12:50:54  <Ammler> this game is already archived?
12:51:06  <FiCE> hmm I guess it's handy
12:51:12  <V453000> archive is done, the savegame transfer, and so on, not
12:51:13  <FiCE> not something I'd need to use often though
12:51:21  <V453000> sure
12:51:26  <V453000> but sometimes it could be useful
12:51:32  <Ammler> V453000: do so please :-)
12:51:35  <Ammler> !transfer
12:51:35  <PublicServer> Ammler: !transfer gamenr save: transfer the save to our web
12:51:42  <PublicServer> *** FiCE has left the game (leaving)
12:51:42  <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players)
12:52:06  <V453000> !transfer 182 save
12:52:06  <PublicServer> V453000: no file!
12:52:07  <PublicServer> V453000: Usage: /home/openttd/script/ [publicserver|prozone] [-f] [-h|u] gamenr save
12:52:13  <V453000> I never remember
12:52:43  <V453000> is the file psgsave183.sav?
12:53:02  <V453000> I hate this :-D
12:53:12  <Ammler> you want to transfer current game :-P
12:53:13  <PublicServer> <Korpse> this is 182?
12:53:21  <Ammler> !save
12:53:21  <PublicServer> Saving game...
12:53:27  <Ammler> this for example ^
12:53:52  <V453000> ._.
12:54:14  <Ammler> !transfer 182 game.sav
12:54:33  <V453000> :)
12:54:33  <PublicServer> Ammler: PublicServerGame_182_Final.sav
12:54:33  <PublicServer> Ammler: Transfer done. (/home/openttd/website/public/save/game.sav->
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12:55:13  <Mazur> Hey, Zaitzev.
12:55:18  <Zaitzev> hiya
12:55:22  <PublicServer> <Korpse> hi
12:55:38  <Zaitzev> what's going on?
12:55:40  <PublicServer> Server closed down by admin
12:55:40  <Mazur> 182 is now a corpse.
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12:55:43  <PublicServer> Server has exited
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12:55:47  <Zaitzev> hehe
12:55:51  <Zaitzev> so it's done?
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12:56:03  <Mazur> Done and dusted.
12:56:17  <Ammler> V453000: which game to load?
12:56:29  <V453000> psg183start1
12:56:33  <V453000> .sav ... :)
12:57:04  <V453000> ther is also some start1.1
12:57:10  <V453000> somebody added
12:57:25  <Ammler> so the one without 1?
12:57:43  <V453000> give me 1 minute
12:57:47  <V453000> I will check the 1.1
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12:57:52  <PublicServer> Autopilot engaged
12:57:52  <PublicServer> Loading savegame: '#openttdcoop - The Public Server ('
12:57:52  *** ChanServ sets mode: +v PublicServer
12:57:52  *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG #182 (r19734) | STAGE: Finalizing | | New players, use @quickstart and !help | Screenshots: | Coopetition ladder: | Welcome to the depths of insanity"
12:58:03  <Ammler> !info
12:58:03  <PublicServer> Ammler: #:1(Red) Company Name: 'Unnamed'  Year Founded: 1950  Money: 100000  Loan: 100000  Value: 1  (T:0, R:0, P:0, S:0) unprotected
12:59:25  <V453000> hmm
12:59:31  <V453000> I dont know of any differences between them
12:59:45  <V453000> lets stick with the start1.sav one
12:59:53  <V453000> !dl win32
12:59:53  <PublicServer> V453000:
13:00:56  <V453000> !password
13:00:56  <PublicServer> V453000: onward
13:01:14  <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players)
13:01:15  <V453000> onward!
13:01:15  <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game
13:01:40  <V453000> @stage MM
13:01:40  *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG #182 (r19734) | STAGE: MM | | New players, use @quickstart and !help | Screenshots: | Coopetition ladder: | Welcome to the depths of insanity"
13:01:45  <V453000> !unpause
13:01:45  <PublicServer> *** V453000 has unpaused the server. (Use !auto to set it back.)
13:02:15  <KenjiE20> Game still paused (manual <---
13:02:16  <V453000> !rcon unpause
13:02:18  <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (manual)
13:02:27  <PublicServer> <V453000> I see :)
13:02:56  <PublicServer> *** Amm1er joined the game
13:02:57  <Ammler> helpful, the new messages :-P
13:02:59  <V453000> !auto
13:02:59  <PublicServer> *** V453000 has enabled autopause mode.
13:03:02  <Ammler> !auto
13:03:02  <PublicServer> *** Ammler has enabled autopause mode.
13:03:20  <Phazorx> bump the number
13:03:23  <Phazorx> supposed to be 183
13:03:35  <PublicServer> *** Korpse joined the game
13:03:38  <Ammler> @setpsg 183
13:03:38  *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG #183 (r19734) | STAGE: MM | | New players, use @quickstart and !help | Screenshots: | Coopetition ladder: | Welcome to the depths of insanity"
13:04:11  <Ammler> !tweet Yippieh, new game to be planned :-) (#183)
13:04:24  <V453000> !setdef
13:04:31  <PublicServer> Ammler: Tweet sent:
13:04:31  <PublicServer> *** V453000 has disabled wait_for_pbs_path, wait_twoway_signal, wait_oneway_signal, ai_in_multiplayer; enabled no_servicing_if_no_breakdowns, extra_dynamite, mod_road_rebuild, forbid_90_deg, rail_firstred_twoway_eol and set path_backoff_interval to 1, train_acceleration_model to 1
13:04:31  <V453000> !setdef
13:04:31  <PublicServer> *** V453000 has disabled wait_for_pbs_path, wait_twoway_signal, wait_oneway_signal, ai_in_multiplayer; enabled no_servicing_if_no_breakdowns, extra_dynamite, mod_road_rebuild, forbid_90_deg, rail_firstred_twoway_eol and set path_backoff_interval to 1, train_acceleration_model to 1
13:05:48  <Ammler> !rcon set autosave
13:05:48  <PublicServer> Ammler: Current value for 'autosave' is: '1' (min: 0, max: 4)
13:05:56  <Ammler> !rcon debug_level
13:05:56  <PublicServer> Ammler: Current debug-level: 'ai=0, driver=0, grf=0, map=0, misc=0, net=0, sprite=0, oldloader=0, npf=0, yapf=0, freetype=0, sl=0, gamelog=0, desync=0, console=0'
13:06:50  <PublicServer> <V453000> MM running
13:06:51  <Ammler> !screen
13:06:53  <PublicServer> *** Ammler made screenshot at 00034BB9:
13:07:13  <V453000> I wonder why the forest is screened :D
13:07:18  <Ammler> !tweet Yippieh, new game to be planned :-) (#183)
13:07:20  <PublicServer> Ammler: Tweet sent:
13:07:55  <Ammler> @tweet Yippieh, new game to be planned :-) (#183)
13:07:58  <Webster> Ammler: HTTP Error... it may have worked...
13:08:08  <V453000> Webster is a bitch.
13:08:47  <PublicServer> <V453000> ooh Dr. Cooperative xD
13:08:48  <Ammler> at least, it worked with webster
13:08:48  <Webster> Ammler: 1272438000
13:08:55  <PublicServer> <Korpse> xD
13:10:13  <V453000> @stage Planning
13:10:13  *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG #183 (r19734) | STAGE: Planning | | New players, use @quickstart and !help | Screenshots: | Coopetition ladder: | Welcome to the depths of insanity"
13:10:16  <V453000> weee
13:10:23  <KenjiE20> at least the () stopped it being a hashtag
13:10:54  <hylje> wat
13:11:58  <Ammler> KenjiE20: you told something about twitter and api changes
13:12:42  <KenjiE20> june
13:12:45  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0003A4A0:
13:12:49  <KenjiE20> or may... soon ish
13:13:04  <KenjiE20> basic auth is going away
13:14:02  <FiCE> !password
13:14:02  <PublicServer> FiCE: homier
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13:14:39  <KenjiE20> yea end of june
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13:19:25  <PublicServer> <Mazur> And the islands, ignore, boats or bridges?
13:19:51  * V453000 ignores a question if we will use boats
13:22:07  <PublicServer> *** Mazur has left the game (leaving)
13:22:32  <Mazur> Yeah, sorry it just slippedm out.
13:23:12  <PublicServer> <FiCE> more aircraft?
13:23:22  <Mazur> And I guess I'll find out soon enough how the islands will be handled.
13:24:31  <V453000> Mazur: it more or less is a matter of plan if ignore or bridge
13:24:33  <V453000> but no ships
13:24:50  <Mazur> kthnx
13:24:57  <ODM> !password
13:24:57  <PublicServer> ODM: homier
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13:25:23  <PublicServer> <V453000> hi ODM
13:25:28  <PublicServer> <0DM> heh, i have no clue what trains are in US set:D
13:25:29  <PublicServer> <0DM> hey mate
13:25:35  <PublicServer> <0DM> thought id drop by^^
13:25:54  <PublicServer> <V453000> I know US set pretty well
13:25:59  <PublicServer> <V453000> there is the best ICE train
13:26:18  <PublicServer> <V453000> 321 kmh top speed and powered wagons ... with insanely high power
13:26:25  <PublicServer> <V453000> reaching unmatched acceleration
13:26:30  <PublicServer> <0DM> hehe
13:26:39  <PublicServer> <0DM> hm whats the cl for that?
13:26:48  <PublicServer> <V453000> tl
13:26:54  <PublicServer> <0DM> auch:p
13:27:23  <Zaitzev> !password
13:27:23  <PublicServer> Zaitzev: homier
13:27:47  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00038DA9:
13:28:17  <Mazur> Ramains my previous question about vs., since one says all2all, and the other says "we do not need to connect each track of one mainline to each track of the other mainline".  I think the last one on the MLH page is prob. more recent?
13:29:30  <PublicServer> *** 0DM has left the game (leaving)
13:29:36  <Zaitzev> oh snap
13:29:42  <Zaitzev> *downloading lastet nightly
13:29:43  <Zaitzev> *
13:29:55  <Zaitzev> !dl win64
13:29:55  <PublicServer> Zaitzev:
13:30:24  <V453000> Mazur: see the archives of (preferably) new public server games to see hubs
13:30:36  <V453000> wiki is like a theory (often outdated)
13:30:38  <Zaitzev> badam tss
13:30:48  <Mazur> Ok.
13:31:36  <Mazur> Yes, so I wondered which one was more outdated, but looking at a game would do the trick, too.
13:34:10  <Zaitzev> !password
13:34:10  <PublicServer> Zaitzev: convex
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13:34:31  <Zaitzev> so..
13:34:35  <Zaitzev> what will be the gametype now?
13:34:41  <Mazur> Pax
13:34:44  <Zaitzev> oh ok
13:34:48  <KloBass> concav and convex
13:38:17  <PublicServer> <Zaitzev> shouldn't the server have trams?
13:38:26  <PublicServer> <Zaitzev> *city
13:38:29  <PublicServer> <Zaitzev> not server :P
13:38:51  <PublicServer> <V453000> there are
13:41:42  <PublicServer> <Zaitzev> what about TGVs, or is that only an entirely different gametype?
13:42:49  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00038DAB:
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13:47:30  <PublicServer> <V453000> well we call TGV  games these without Sbahn and ICE are with it
13:47:42  <PublicServer> <V453000> Mostly...
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13:49:59  <PublicServer> <V453000> but the TGV trains are just a feature of 2cc set
13:50:26  <PublicServer> <Zaitzev> the grf pack has the 2cc trains right?
13:50:59  <KloBass> 50cc
13:51:02  <KloBass> 100cc
13:51:08  * KloBass likes to move it move it
13:51:18  <V453000> ...
13:51:25  <KloBass> (madagaskar kartz xbox 360 game)
13:51:43  <V453000> [2cc]   2 <- two c <- company c <- colours
13:52:30  <Radicalimero> !password
13:52:30  <PublicServer> Radicalimero: bearer
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13:53:51  <PublicServer> <Korpse> is my crap plan amusing
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13:56:24  <PublicServer> <V453000> Korpse: no but it is very obvious you dont have experience with it :)
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13:57:51  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0003A2A1:
13:58:12  <PublicServer> <Korpse> lol yea
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13:58:56  <Phazorx> what's a "ded line" ?
13:59:05  <PublicServer> <V453000> I got no idea either
13:59:13  <PublicServer> <Korpse> lol
13:59:37  <PublicServer> <Korpse> does nothing bug huge passenger trains
13:59:47  <PublicServer> <Korpse> decicated to nothing but doing that
13:59:52  <PublicServer> <V453000> ??
13:59:53  <PublicServer> <Korpse> but*
14:00:10  <Phazorx> so like 2 networks?
14:00:47  <PublicServer> <Korpse> passenger/good separate network :P
14:01:26  <Phazorx> where dogood come from if that is a pax plan
14:01:48  <Phazorx> *do goods
14:02:58  <PublicServer> <Korpse> farm groups
14:03:37  <PublicServer> <Korpse> put goods onto the main pax lines to go to the big cities lol
14:04:02  <ralph__> !password
14:04:02  <PublicServer> ralph__: gibing
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14:09:05  <Jannis> !password
14:09:06  <PublicServer> Jannis: gibing
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14:12:53  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 000383A5:
14:18:54  <PublicServer> <Korpse> i love my network map because its my first lolz
14:20:36  <PublicServer> <Korpse> bed time here lol cya
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14:22:37  <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players)
14:24:11  <Korpse> everyone is silent because of jelousy over my network plan
14:24:36  <Korpse> maybe one day if you forget how to plan you will be able to make plans as good as mine
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15:32:26  <Zaitzev> hm
15:49:24  <DJNekkid> !rev
15:49:26  <planetmaker> hnr
15:49:50  <DJNekkid> !download win64
15:49:50  <PublicServer> DJNekkid:
15:49:58  <V453000> hnr?
15:51:20  <DJNekkid> !password
15:51:20  <PublicServer> DJNekkid: junked
15:51:25  <V453000> (I'm) High, Nothing Rare <
15:51:26  <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players)
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15:51:28  <V453000> ?
15:51:37  <V453000> hi DJN btw :)
15:51:53  <DJNekkid> hi V453000 :)
15:51:56  <planetmaker> V453000, just trying to play words on a random "hm". I failed :-P
15:52:02  <planetmaker> hey ho DJNekkid :-)
15:52:03  <V453000> :D
15:52:07  <DJNekkid> howdy planetmaker
15:52:17  <V453000> asdf is a better word
15:52:29  <V453000> and people instantly understand what is your point :P :D
15:52:43  <planetmaker> DJNekkid, very fine. Flights to Alesund booked today :-)
15:52:50  <DJNekkid> nice...
15:52:58  <DJNekkid> hope you dont get ash-stuck :)
15:53:00  <DJNekkid> when btw?
15:53:23  <planetmaker> 29 July - 8 August
15:53:31  <DJNekkid> oki :)
15:53:38  <V453000> loong time to let ash dissapear :)
15:53:45  <V453000> (I guess)
15:53:58  <planetmaker> long time to produce a decent amount of new :-P
15:54:09  <V453000> :D
15:54:09  <planetmaker> We considered going by car... but the cost is the same.
15:54:21  <DJNekkid> and time is *10
15:54:24  <planetmaker> and two-day travel one-way. That sucks
15:54:32  <planetmaker> time is *2
15:54:50  <planetmaker> two days instead of one ;-)
15:54:57  <DJNekkid> well...
15:55:00  <V453000> well yeah but 2way travel provided you drive is way-too-long
15:55:18  <V453000> on the airport you wait a long time but you dont get that much tired
15:55:20  <planetmaker> yeah. Especially given the time period ;-)
15:55:29  <DJNekkid> a flight from somewhere-in-germany to Oslo; 1-1:30hr, Oslo-Ålesund: 45 mins...
15:55:30  <V453000> hehe
15:55:38  <planetmaker> V453000, driving one day is fine. But not two full days :-)
15:55:43  <V453000> yep
15:56:17  <V453000> (I hate driving and I try to evade it as much as possible but just from what I know when I used to go on vacation with parents :D)
15:56:33  <Jannis> !password
15:56:33  <PublicServer> Jannis: junked
15:56:40  <planetmaker> I mean... Bordeaux - Hanover is feasable as is Hanover - Pisa. But still
15:56:43  <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players)
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15:56:52  * planetmaker likes driving. To a certain degree ;-)
15:57:03  <V453000> I like riding a motorbike ... I love that
15:57:10  <V453000> but the same amount I dislike driving a car
15:57:16  <planetmaker> DJNekkid, we have unfortunately(?) 4 hours in Oslo
15:57:46  <PublicServer> *** Jannis has left the game (leaving)
15:58:29  <DJNekkid> probably needs 20ish minutes waiting on the bags...
15:58:35  <planetmaker> so... it_s like 13h - 20h
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15:58:55  <V453000> 13-20 is about 7
15:58:57  <V453000> btw :P
15:58:59  <planetmaker> it's like 1:30h from Berlin and 1:30 Oslo-Alesund
15:59:11  <DJNekkid> the flight from oslo is 45mins
15:59:14  <DJNekkid> or 50 :)
15:59:20  <planetmaker> not according to schedule.
15:59:26  <DJNekkid> schedule is wrong :P
15:59:28  <V453000> :d
15:59:54  <DJNekkid> but, there should be an earlier plane from oslo?
16:00:01  <DJNekkid> there is like 10 flight per day
16:00:06  <DJNekkid> with 2 different companies
16:00:18  <DJNekkid> 3 on Norwegian
16:00:23  <DJNekkid> and 5 or 6 on SAS
16:00:55  <planetmaker> dunno...
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16:01:38  <DJNekkid> but some might be full or only expensive tickets left
16:05:41  <planetmaker> probably the point
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16:12:00  <Zaitzev> nordmann jo =)
16:13:00  <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players)
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16:13:02  <PublicServer> <Intexon> hello
16:15:10  <V453000> hi Intexon
16:15:14  <PublicServer> <Intexon> hey
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16:22:54  <Benny_> What revision is the server running on right now?
16:23:10  <Benny_> !revision
16:23:10  <PublicServer> Benny_: Game version is r19734
16:23:21  <Benny_> oh right, that works as well o_O
16:24:51  <theholyduck> new game again eh
16:25:03  <theholyduck> earlier than expected
16:26:15  <V453000> the game was quick, but finished :)
16:26:20  <Benny_> !password
16:26:21  <PublicServer> Benny_: chatty
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16:26:31  <Benny_> well it had huge progress
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16:58:20  <Zaitzev> !password
16:58:20  <PublicServer> Zaitzev: dusted
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17:46:39  <Mazur> Just checking out the other plan.  And the map, itself, a tad more thouroughly.
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18:25:23  <V453000> !screen
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18:25:30  <V453000> duh
18:25:43  <planetmaker> aw
18:25:54  <pugi> :P
18:26:03  <pugi> oh
18:26:05  <pugi> new game :O
18:26:13  <pugi> !dl win32
18:26:13  <PublicServer> pugi:
18:27:55  <pugi> !password
18:27:55  <PublicServer> pugi: pivots
18:28:23  <pugi> !password
18:28:23  <PublicServer> pugi: births
18:28:25  <pugi> <.<
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18:28:50  <PublicServer> <pug> only one plan?
18:29:01  <PublicServer> <pug> ah, two
18:29:28  <Intexon> I have one in mind but I expected a little more hilly map ;)
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18:48:01  <PublicServer> KyleS: poking
18:48:12  <KyleS> !dl win32
18:48:12  <PublicServer> KyleS:
18:48:22  <Zaitzev> my initial thought was that it's too much water on the map
18:48:35  <Zaitzev> but I guess there are good ways to work around that issue
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18:49:36  <KyleS> woah
18:49:44  <KyleS> psg 182 is already done o.o
18:49:59  <Zaitzev> mhm
18:50:09  <Zaitzev> it is now a pax game
18:50:22  <Zaitzev> on an island infested map =p
18:50:36  <PublicServer> <KyleS> island pax is awesome :D
18:50:45  <PublicServer> <KyleS> then again i think islands in general are awesome
18:50:46  <PublicServer> <KyleS> :)
18:51:08  <PublicServer> <KyleS> i wish it was chaos cargo+pax tho :o
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19:01:04  <pugi> i am having a plan idea...
19:01:07  <pugi> but still working on it :P
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19:08:58  * Mazur just realised what happened that caused the mess in the NE corner of PSG 182.
19:10:13  <pugi> hey fuco :D
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19:21:00  * Mazur caused it.
19:24:25  <Mazur> Just thought you should know I realise it now and own up.
19:26:45  <Osai> !revision
19:26:46  <PublicServer> Osai: Game version is r19734
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19:39:31  <V453000> heya Osai :))
19:39:43  <Osai> hi V453000 :)
19:39:53  <V453000> nice to see you again :)
19:40:05  <Osai> yeah
19:40:23  <Osai> your blog articles are really impressing
19:40:25  <Osai> good stuff
19:40:33  <Osai> I am very happy about that
19:43:03  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 000371C9:
19:44:32  *** Ammler sets mode: -b *!trangar@
19:44:33  *** Ammler sets mode: +b *!trangar@*
19:44:48  *** Ammler sets mode: -b *!
19:44:50  *** Ammler sets mode: +b *!~vlengoc@*
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19:47:54  <pugi> !screen
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19:48:05  <pugi> <.<
19:48:20  <PublicServer> <pug> go to train list -> available trains to see trains :D
19:49:22  <V453000> wow, thanks Osai :)
19:51:11  <Phazorx> hey Osai
19:51:15  <Phazorx> how ya doing?
19:51:25  <Osai> fine and you?
19:51:57  <Phazorx> trying to :)
19:52:10  <Phazorx> how did your competition go?
19:52:28  <Osai> well, we were sort of unlucky
19:52:36  <planetmaker> oh :-(
19:52:38  <Phazorx> did you have fun?
19:52:45  <Phazorx> learned something new and exiciting?
19:52:55  <Osai> we lost in an early elimination round against finland
19:52:56  <Phazorx> met interesting people?
19:53:01  <Osai> yea, of course
19:53:05  <Osai> it was amazing
19:53:06  <Phazorx> hmm.. are they that good?
19:53:07  <Osai> crazy
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19:53:17  <Osai> not really better than we are
19:53:22  <Osai> but they had a good day
19:53:29  <Phazorx> next time you will :)
19:53:32  <Osai> and prepared better for that fight
19:53:46  <Osai> we won against poland in our pool by 4:1
19:53:49  <Phazorx> Osai, did they tell youabout source of their secret power?
19:53:52  <Osai> and they reached the half final
19:54:32  <Osai> hehe, I am still at the beginning of my career, next time we might beat'em :D
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19:55:00  <Phazorx> hilje will hate me for that - but they won because of minttu :)
19:55:18  <Phazorx> intentional missspell so it wont highlight :)
19:55:40  <Osai> anyway, the event was so awesome, I met so many people and we had much fun
19:55:49  <Osai> especially the party afterwards was crazy
19:55:54  <Osai> all drinks and food for free
19:55:56  <Zaitzev> what is it you did?
19:56:07  <Phazorx> sounds like it was a good trip after all
19:56:10  <Osai> alcohol for free as well
19:56:12  <Osai> :D
19:56:19  <Osai> exactly Phazorx
19:56:25  <Phazorx> good:)
19:56:25  <Osai> and I didn't pay anything
19:56:37  <Phazorx> that's good too, but ehh... money is nothing anyway
19:56:40  <Zaitzev> that's a nice bargain, free food and alcohol
19:57:12  <Osai> well, the flights and all that stuff are not really cheap
19:57:13  <Phazorx> you, who play by coopers rule should know, that money means nothing :)
19:57:17  <Osai> four star hotel etc.
19:57:35  <Osai> true :D
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19:58:15  <Phazorx> you should make a blogpost with pictures btw
19:58:27  <Phazorx> it's an important social event :)
19:59:20  <Zaitzev> hm, was trangar banned? =p
19:59:55  <pugi> okay, i think my stupid plan is finished now <.<
20:00:07  <pugi> !screen
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20:01:06  <planetmaker> Zaitzev: yes. We cannot tollerate breaking the rules that bluntly
20:01:18  <Zaitzev> what did he do?
20:01:31  <planetmaker> TF large parts of the map to water
20:01:37  <Zaitzev> wth D:
20:01:41  <Zaitzev> that's just lame
20:01:51  <Zaitzev> I assume it was in #182 ?
20:01:55  <planetmaker> yes
20:02:00  <pugi> hmm
20:02:14  <Osai> Phazorx: If I have some time, I'll give a small review
20:02:14  <pugi> a desert normally doens't have that much water
20:02:15  <Osai> :)
20:02:32  <pugi> is it just a temporary ban?
20:02:36  <pugi> so he can do better?
20:02:45  <planetmaker> he'll have a month to ponder about
20:03:02  <pugi> a month :O
20:03:08  <planetmaker> 2nd time surely will be permantent. Actually usually first time is.
20:04:18  <Intexon> I enjoyed building with him though
20:04:23  <pugi> yeah
20:04:25  <PublicServer> *** Intexon has left the game (connection lost)
20:04:31  <pugi> he was pretty ambitious
20:04:41  <pugi> maybe he didn't know that...
20:05:06  <pugi> a one month ban sounds pretty harsh to me
20:05:19  <KenjiE20> he got off lightly tbh
20:05:28  <planetmaker> that's suspicion is the only thing which made it non-permanent
20:05:31  <KenjiE20> it was close between perma and temp
20:05:39  <planetmaker> that he didn't show any remorse didn't help at all
20:05:40  <pugi> hmm
20:06:00  <pugi> well, i can surely understand perm bans when someone joins the server and destroys everything
20:06:02  <planetmaker> we happily obliged to the "just ban me"
20:06:07  <V453000> pugi: his behaviour wasnt much beter
20:06:07  <pugi> or make some hidden track removals
20:06:25  <pugi> wasn't he building some stations and such?
20:06:29  <V453000> and as pm says,, just ban me ...
20:06:35  <V453000> pugi: he was
20:07:04  <V453000> but then got weird and stated that this map is boring, lets do somthing amusive ... and started doing crap
20:07:09  <pugi> ah...
20:07:10  <pugi> okay
20:07:12  <pugi> didn't know that
20:07:20  <Phazorx> sad....
20:07:25  <V453000> me neither :) had to read the log today
20:07:37  <planetmaker> :-)
20:07:46  <V453000> Phazorx: dont be sad about it :P just ignore it
20:07:54  <V453000> (and ban it) :D
20:08:04  <planetmaker> pugi: but that is actually how it usually goes: people build, get bored and ... freak out
20:08:11  <pugi> ^^
20:08:20  <pugi> well, if i get bored with the map i just stop playing :P
20:08:20  <V453000> usually ...
20:08:21  <planetmaker> and it's not fun to deal with that over and over. So...
20:08:25  <KenjiE20> usually we freak out doing other things though
20:08:28  <pugi> yeah, i understand
20:08:30  <V453000> pugi: thats what normal people do
20:09:19  <planetmaker> KenjiE20: yeah :-) It can be done positively or negatively.
20:09:19  <Zaitzev> hm, I better watch myself then. I don't consider myself normal
20:09:23  <Zaitzev> But, I'm not dumb.
20:09:27  <V453000> and normal people often dont get bans :)
20:09:28  <Zaitzev> :p
20:09:32  <V453000> ah :D
20:09:35  <planetmaker> Zaitzev: "normal" ;-)
20:09:44  <Zaitzev> ;)
20:09:44  <V453000> ok ... if you take it like that, nobody here is normal probably
20:09:50  <Zaitzev> wow
20:10:06  <V453000> normal is a pretty relative term :)))
20:10:18  <Zaitzev> I removed the tramtracks in a city, and rating went from outstanding to mediocre in a couple of weeks
20:10:23  <Zaitzev> that's harsh
20:10:32  <KenjiE20> there were 'other' incidents around in that game at the same time too, but it was either mooted or kindly acknowledged and remove
20:10:34  <KenjiE20> d
20:11:02  <planetmaker> every year a ban or two ;-)
20:11:07  <planetmaker> we didn't have one for long :-P
20:11:16  <V453000> thats true
20:11:16  <Zaitzev> hm, a question about the game in general
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20:11:28  <KenjiE20> (not ocunting stable)
20:11:32  <KenjiE20> counting*
20:11:41  <KenjiE20> >_> that was unfortunate
20:11:42  <Zaitzev> cargo doesn't lose any value if it is "stored" at a station for a long period of time or something like that?
20:11:43  <planetmaker> nah, stable/testing is different
20:11:53  <KenjiE20> Zaitzev: depends
20:11:54  <planetmaker> Zaitzev: it does
20:11:57  <KenjiE20> some goods 'perish'
20:12:03  <Zaitzev> like diamonds
20:12:06  <Zaitzev> they get "stolen" xD
20:12:17  <pugi> i like turtles
20:12:18  <Phazorx> V, i'm sad about the fact itself...
20:12:30  <planetmaker> and if transfered, the time goes on - and delivery revenue will drop
20:12:37  <Zaitzev> I shipped diamonds to a station, had a couple of thousand bags waiting, when I saw the number declining. I'm like.. "wtf, dishonest workers on the station!" xD
20:12:41  <V453000> I know Phazorx :)
20:12:58  <planetmaker> Zaitzev: yeah. And then one starts to wonder who steals all that coal
20:12:59  <planetmaker> ;-)
20:13:00  <V453000> well, at least ... really nothuing to be happy about
20:13:17  <V453000> planetmaker: drarwes eat it
20:13:26  <V453000> dwarves
20:13:26  <Zaitzev> planetmaker: The reason is, what if on a map, you build a large central hub, where every resource is shipped to for further shipping
20:13:37  <Zaitzev> sort of a large-scale feeder
20:13:49  <planetmaker> Zaitzev: nice plan would that be :-)
20:13:58  <planetmaker> But yeah... you need good through-put
20:14:04  <V453000> *you can put there an overflow to keep all coal picked up*
20:14:05  <Zaitzev> yeah def
20:14:53  <Zaitzev> something that would be awesome too, is if trains could shift cars at stations
20:14:55  <Zaitzev> like
20:15:03  <planetmaker> Zaitzev: otoh... we should be able to build it such that the amount piling up gets not too big
20:15:06  <planetmaker> for neither cargo
20:15:21  <Zaitzev> "bring 50 full cars of coal to station, leave the cars, attach 50 empty cars"
20:15:25  <Zaitzev> mega-trainyard
20:15:38  <Zaitzev> and they in turn were picked up
20:15:38  <planetmaker> Zaitzev: well... playing the right train set allows refitting via orders
20:15:40  <planetmaker> I love that
20:15:45  <Zaitzev> ye :D
20:15:51  <planetmaker> we had one game where we did that
20:15:56  <planetmaker> 2cctrainset is quite good for that
20:15:59  <KenjiE20> shunting would rock
20:16:01  <Zaitzev> I like that part, purely for visual pleasure
20:16:07  <KenjiE20> but that's a major patch job
20:16:25  <Zaitzev> too bad the game doesn't have turntables
20:16:30  <planetmaker> KenjiE20: it can be newgrf-hacked somewhat
20:16:38  <Zaitzev> massive turntables for TLxx
20:16:54  <Zaitzev> and a spaghetti of tracks
20:17:19  <KenjiE20> planetmaker: proper shunting can't, static can
20:17:21  <Zaitzev> I built a nice looking station (in my eyes). Dunno how efficient it it tho xD
20:17:32  <planetmaker> :-)
20:17:43  <KenjiE20> pffft efficiency
20:18:03  <KenjiE20> my SP games now are all about looks
20:18:11  <Zaitzev> TL21 for goods, food and diamonds
20:18:24  <V453000> planetmaker: as I just seen, UKRS is the best for refitting by far ... in both temperate and arctic especially, UKRS can refit ALL cargoes that are raws for goods (including steel), so you can do the drop-refit to goods-pickup thing with everything ... and in arctic, you can even do a by-me-so-called trirefit - Wood -> Paper -> Goods -> again
20:18:33  <V453000> it requires a proper planning though
20:18:38  <V453000> (got a plan already =D)
20:18:45  <planetmaker> V453000: oh, that's good news :-)
20:18:47  <KenjiE20> guess what game is next folks!
20:18:49  <KenjiE20> :P
20:18:52  <V453000> no Kenji
20:18:57  <V453000> im keeping that for future
20:18:58  <planetmaker> yes!
20:19:07  <V453000> im aiming to make games different :)
20:19:16  <V453000> next of my plans in future is a revolution in SML
20:19:28  <V453000> or ... a *test* :D
20:20:18  <pugi> yeah, sml would be great once again :)
20:20:27  <leg3nd> !dl win32
20:20:28  <PublicServer> leg3nd:
20:20:28  <V453000> as I couted / little scale tested it, it seems that Lev4 with two engines TL5 can get up to 200% lane traffic than any other
20:20:38  <V453000> or ... than "any normal join" other
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20:20:56  <PublicServer> <planetm4ker> hi
20:21:37  <planetmaker> V453000: :-) I like new concept tests :-)
20:22:11  <V453000> this one is really very testing :D
20:22:51  <V453000> I got two ... the 180 thingy and this sml based one ... both are good for a not-square map ... so next time in future in a galaxy not so far away
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20:23:04  <Zaitzev>
20:23:05  <PublicServer> <Intexon> hello
20:23:17  <V453000> hey Int
20:23:43  <planetmaker> hi Intexon
20:24:01  <pugi> Zaitzev: would be great to sync the station entry/exit ;)
20:24:12  <Zaitzev> mhm
20:24:13  <Zaitzev> i know
20:24:22  <Zaitzev> but I didn't care about syncing them, I just wanted it to look good ;p
20:24:22  <planetmaker> Zaitzev: looks like the exit could be improved with choice
20:24:31  <planetmaker> Exits for stations are more important than entries
20:24:41  <Ammler> yes, exits are bad
20:25:10  <planetmaker> though... it's one exit line only anyway. So it nearly doesn't matter
20:25:10  <Zaitzev> I built that mainly for symmetric looks
20:25:13  <Ammler> Zaitzev: a leaving train "can" block a incoming train, that is bad
20:25:23  <Zaitzev> Ammler: Where?
20:25:43  <Ammler> the terminus stations
20:25:51  <Zaitzev> Well yeah
20:25:59  <KenjiE20> meh
20:26:01  <Zaitzev> I don't like those terminus solutions
20:26:09  <Zaitzev> but they worked for the time being ;P
20:26:41  <Zaitzev> The "blocks" happen occationally, but lasts for like a second or two
20:26:43  <Ammler> for start, i would add a 2nd entry or exit
20:27:01  <KenjiE20> <-- building for looks :P
20:27:13  <Zaitzev> and this game is just a practice-thing for me, trying out ideas and stuff. The rest of the networks and stuff isn't even a real network :b
20:27:58  <V453000> Kenji: <--- Building for looks
20:28:01  <Ammler> Zaitzev: also screen should always be on full zoom in :-)
20:28:20  <Zaitzev> Ammler: It wouldn't fit the screenspace if I did
20:28:43  <Zaitzev> although I could do several shots and patch them in PS
20:29:04  <Zaitzev> <- I like those city buildings
20:29:04  <V453000> Zaitzev: if you care about checking stuff, it is good to make 2 screenshots with zoom to entrance/exit ... so others can see the signals
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20:29:21  <Zaitzev> V453000: Well yeah
20:29:56  <KenjiE20> ttrs
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20:30:52  <ralph09> !password
20:30:52  <PublicServer> ralph09: rifles
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20:32:38  <Zaitzev> what's DMU and EMU?
20:33:20  <KenjiE20> Diesel/Electric Multiple Unit
20:33:38  <Zaitzev> hm
20:33:54  <Zaitzev> those that goes both front and back?
20:34:10  <KenjiE20> @wikipedia DMU
20:34:11  <Webster> DMU - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia -
20:34:33  <pugi> decision making unit?
20:34:42  <pugi> !password
20:34:42  <PublicServer> pugi: rifles
20:34:54  <V453000> DMU: Dumb Mad Unit
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20:35:10  <V453000> or Definitely Mad Unit? :D
20:35:39  <pugi> dumb making uniform
20:36:21  <pugi> is there somewhere a train list which includes future trains? :D
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20:36:50  <KenjiE20> about half of them have
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20:37:17  <V453000> better way to open another openttd
20:37:21  <V453000> and see for yourself
20:37:27  <pugi> hmm, good idea :P
20:37:32  <V453000> you can even sorth them by name, speed, or whatever
20:37:42  <KenjiE20> @trainsets
20:37:42  <Webster> Default: | 2cc: | Japanese Set: | NARS2: | UKRS:
20:37:43  <pugi> yeah, i know
20:37:56  <V453000> just comparing it to websites ;)
20:38:08  <pugi> but i need to see which newgrfs are used :D
20:38:35  <V453000> well
20:38:36  <pugi> us train set
20:38:36  <pugi> okay
20:38:41  <pugi> is that nars? :D
20:38:46  <V453000> join the server and save the newgrf prest
20:38:53  <Zaitzev> KenjiE20: Those are the only trains used in here?
20:38:55  <V453000> then just open it in menu and start game :)
20:39:00  <KenjiE20> Zaitzev: nope
20:39:13  <KenjiE20> but those are the ones with websites, with tracking lists
20:39:24  <Zaitzev> k
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20:40:44  <pugi> okay
20:40:54  <pugi> i just started game with same newgrfs in 2200 :P
20:40:58  <pugi> should be enough :D
20:41:25  <KenjiE20> + vehicles expire off
20:42:49  <V453000> :)
20:43:05  <V453000> pugi: US set last engine is ~2025 iirc
20:43:28  * planetmaker yawns. Have a good night folks
20:43:42  <planetmaker> Looks like an interesting game ahead, though :-)
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20:44:07  <Mazur> Sleep well, pm.
20:44:21  <V453000> cya pm :))
20:50:39  <pugi> last one is 2019 ;)
20:52:11  <V453000> okay
20:52:28  <V453000> but crappy :) EL13k is the last good one afaik :)
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20:56:49  <V453000> !screen
20:56:49  <PublicServer> *** V453000 liked to make screenshot of last action, but nobody was working since. (
20:57:01  <V453000> oh come on, nothing new again
20:57:34  <pugi> :/
21:00:28  <pugi> hmmm
21:01:19  <pugi> all the cargo railcars have speed limits
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21:02:35  <Ammler> V453000: the productive people are on the stable :-P
21:02:48  <V453000> :d
21:03:08  <V453000> who would ever go on that crappy server
21:03:52  <pugi> coal 112km/h, goods 160, grain 160, iron ore 88, ...
21:04:03  <pugi> are these speed limits disabled on the server?
21:05:37  <pugi> hmm
21:05:41  <pugi> they are
21:05:42  <pugi> ^^
21:05:54  <pugi> why are they not disabled on my private game? :/
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21:08:26  <Zaitzev> it's in advanced settings
21:08:29  <Zaitzev> :b
21:09:09  <pugi> yeah, found it
21:09:10  <pugi> hmm
21:11:55  <V453000> pugi: if you plan TL4, test EL13k engines
21:12:02  <V453000> they rape all asses upside down
21:13:04  <pugi> hmm
21:13:08  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00033BC8:
21:13:10  <pugi> 185km/h but 13k hp
21:13:22  <V453000> yeah
21:13:30  <V453000> you sacrifice some speed
21:13:37  <pugi> acela hhp-8 has 217km/h and 8k hp
21:13:44  <V453000> but their hp and effort should be in the cheatlist
21:13:48  <pugi> ^^
21:14:12  <pugi> Non-Maglev train acceleration = 37 *(0.55 * Power / Speed - 1.3 * Mass + 60 * #cars + 0.0035 * Mass * Speed + 0.24 * Speed^2 - 60 * Mass of cars on slope) / Mass (km/h/day)
21:14:13  <pugi> okay.. :D
21:14:24  <V453000> thats quite clear, isnt it :D
21:14:26  <pugi> still have to think of trains
21:14:30  <V453000> just test it ingame, that is best
21:15:00  <V453000> counting with numbers is nice but ...
21:15:01  <pugi> is the more power so much better than the one with more speed?
21:15:07  <pugi> pff :P
21:15:08  <V453000> well
21:15:11  <pugi> i am a math freak :D
21:15:16  <V453000> if you use Double Acela, everything will be fine
21:15:33  <V453000> if you use single el13, everything will be fine
21:15:36  <V453000> just up to you
21:15:57  <pugi> 120 crates goods cars are available :D
21:16:04  <pugi> usually only 72km/h
21:16:07  <pugi> much more cheating :P
21:16:17  <pugi> the 160km/h ones are 40 crates
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21:17:25  <pugi> oh, paused
21:17:35  <pugi> well, i need to play a bit counterstrike now ^^
21:17:55  <pugi> i'll choose train later ;)
21:17:58  <V453000> cya
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21:18:24  <Jannis> !password
21:18:24  <PublicServer> Jannis: locale
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21:43:58  <V453000> !setdef
21:43:58  <PublicServer> *** V453000 has disabled wait_for_pbs_path, wait_twoway_signal, wait_oneway_signal, ai_in_multiplayer; enabled no_servicing_if_no_breakdowns, extra_dynamite, mod_road_rebuild, forbid_90_deg, rail_firstred_twoway_eol and set path_backoff_interval to 1, train_acceleration_model to 1
21:44:04  <V453000> leg3nd: ^^^
21:44:07  <V453000> one of these
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22:06:24  <F223> !version
22:06:24  <PublicServer> F223: Autopilot AP+ 3.0 Beta (r740:742M)
22:06:27  <F223> help
22:06:29  <F223> !help
22:06:29  <PublicServer> F223:
22:07:04  <F223> !download win32
22:07:04  <PublicServer> F223:
22:07:41  <F223> !password
22:07:41  <PublicServer> F223: shroud
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22:20:09  <V453000> sonic: yeah the map fits a giant roundabout nicely ... I only felt bad about the lonely cities inside :P
22:20:22  <snc> hehe :)
22:20:26  <V453000> (also got that idea :) )
22:20:41  <snc> well I was thinking about connecting a city in the center of the roundabout
22:22:06  <snc> since there are no hubs at the north-east corner
22:22:06  <V453000> hehe :)
22:22:06  <V453000> CL8 is also a bitch :)
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22:22:14  <snc> oh right. that's gonna be fun :P
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22:25:32  <PublicServer> <sonic> I'm off to bed now. See you tomorrow night!
22:25:50  <V453000> cya
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22:27:21  <V453000> !password
22:27:21  <PublicServer> V453000: squeak
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22:28:19  <PublicServer> <V453000> fine fine :)
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23:22:59  <pugi> !password
23:22:59  <PublicServer> pugi: hopper
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23:34:31  <F223> !password
23:34:31  <PublicServer> F223: wigwam
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