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Log for #openttdcoop on 6th September 2010:
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07:22:47  <dihedral> morning
07:23:06  <dihedral> how up to date is the IS patch?
07:23:34  <dihedral> (assuming that still is the most recent IS type patch around)
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07:24:43  <planetmaker> moin
07:25:02  <planetmaker> it is afaik the most recent. But hasn't seen maintenance for 9 months
07:25:12  <dihedral> oh
07:25:13  <dihedral> :-P
07:25:14  <dihedral> ok
07:28:20  <dihedral> i was thinking one could possibly use that for another wwottdgd :)
07:29:16  <dihedral> but perhaps lesser the sense of huge number of patches and more so a huge number of players
07:30:57  <planetmaker> it could still be used, probably
07:31:16  <planetmaker> cargodist + is2 would find quite some players
07:38:57  <V453000> !date
07:38:57  <PublicServer> V453000: 16 Oct 2250
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07:44:56  <dihedral> depends how recent to trunk that could be
07:45:07  <dihedral> i.e. pre 20k would kind of be sad :-P
07:48:17  <planetmaker> with some slight work it will most probable still work
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07:59:51  <hylje> if it needed more work it'd be a good opportunity to refactor it to something more likely to land in trunk
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08:15:21  <planetmaker> it's not the coding style or the implementation. Rather the decision what is a good way conceptually
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08:34:54  <dihedral> ^^
08:35:07  <dihedral> if refactored, it's important to refactor separately
08:35:14  <dihedral> not an IS + CargoDist
08:35:42  <dihedral> or ditch both, and use a recent trunk or even stable - to get the most user count
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09:32:19  <Ammler> I guess, if we (someone) would plan a wwottdgd, Hirundo would update the patch :-)
09:33:37  <Hirundo> if *someone* plans a wwottdgd, *someone* is likely to update it, yes :)
09:34:17  <Ammler> :-P
09:35:08  <Hirundo> I can't tell, though, how well cargodist works with IS out of the box
09:36:23  <Hirundo> The routing algorithm may work without much tweaking, if any, but getting the payments right would be an obstacle
09:37:08  <V453000> is IS and cargodist really needed for wottdgd ? :)
09:38:16  <Hirundo> That's up to you (someone) to decide, I'm just putting my 2c in
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10:05:47  <dihedral> <V453000> is IS and cargodist really needed for wottdgd ? :) <- probably just a nice to have
10:06:21  <dihedral> perhaps simply a massive event would suffice
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10:07:31  <V453000> dunno I think is and cargodist are more of an issue than gain
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10:07:51  <dihedral> IS itself could be fun enough already
10:09:40  <V453000> well IS is easily replaced by playing in one company
10:12:05  <dihedral> but that is not the same ;-)
10:17:35  <V453000> but works best :)
10:19:02  <planetmaker> The problem I currently see / have is: there's IMHO not many patches which are worth all the trouble of preparing a special release for a wwottdgd/3.
10:19:27  <planetmaker> Cargodist and IS2 are the only ones which come somewhat to my mind. Maybe the extra height, but that has some issues still as far as I read the thread
10:20:10  <planetmaker> But as such I kind lost a bit the incentive to really work for it. Current trunk is quite awesome and has so many options meanwhile :-)
10:20:24  <planetmaker> I kinda have currently little need for many patches :-)
10:20:43  <planetmaker> Partially that's also as my views changed a bit. But not only
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10:32:35  <dihedral> i am not sure another event would need patches - it's more in the need of hosting and a huge number of players
10:32:37  <dihedral> if you ask me
10:32:51  <Mazur> (What _is_ wottdgd?)
10:33:02  <dihedral> wwottdgd
10:33:06  <dihedral> ^ search :-P
10:33:18  <dihedral> www.lmgtfy.com/?s=wwottdgd
10:33:35  <dihedral> ... failed
10:33:38  <Mazur> I'm serarching, I'm searching, no need to get testy.
10:34:11  <dihedral> http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/WWOTTDGD
10:35:14  <dihedral> the second wwottdgd could not have been done with a bunch more people - e.g. planetmaker, SmatZ (iirc), TrueBrain ....
10:38:28  <dihedral> planetmaker, what if one goes for Yexo's airport stuff?
10:38:29  <dihedral> :-P
10:39:04  <dihedral> or ask the stolen trees author for a great grf (if she is willing to do something for us)
10:39:10  <Ammler> the openttd wiki might have more infos
10:39:15  <Ammler> there is also a devzone project
10:39:26  <dihedral> there is?
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10:40:18  <Ammler> yeah, as actually planned /3 :-P
10:40:25  <Ammler> :-D
10:40:54  <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/wwottdgd/roadmap
10:41:17  <Ammler> I would like a region based newgrfs patch
10:41:30  <Ammler> yexo has a hg branch for at least houses, afaik
10:42:24  <Ammler> yep #18
10:43:00  <planetmaker> dihedral, there's no need for the airport stuff. Most things are in trunk already
10:43:09  <Ammler> a openttd 1.1 beta event might also be worth a thinking
10:43:13  <planetmaker> It needs proper grf support
10:43:24  <planetmaker> not grf support. But grfs which make use of it
10:43:51  <planetmaker> Still, airport grfs are not yet finished, no state machines for newgrfs, but still
10:44:10  <planetmaker> you can rotate all airports meanwhile. Even give them different looks for the same state machines.
10:44:15  <planetmaker> But nothing like that uses it
10:44:21  <planetmaker> So it's a newgrf task.
10:44:44  <Ammler> christmas is just a bit too late for it
10:44:48  <planetmaker> The regions might be the more interesting thing
10:45:04  <planetmaker> But then... Something like that can even now already be considered a NewGRF thing as well
10:45:19  <planetmaker> A properly advanced town newgrf could do just that already
10:45:29  <planetmaker> Meanwhile I know how to do that. In principle
10:45:35  <planetmaker> But it's more work than just a few days
10:45:58  <dihedral> are there not enough grf authors who could step up for such a task
10:46:02  <dihedral> as we had in the past?
10:46:18  <Ammler> dihedral: that is not just pinup some sprites :-)
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10:47:54  <dihedral> Ammler, i know that :-P
10:48:08  <dihedral> or rather - assume that :-P
10:48:12  <Ammler> yeah, but that is what our previous special newgrfs are
10:48:47  <Ammler> but a airport newgrf would be very advanced stuff
10:49:32  <Ammler> hmm, maybe not, if Hirundo implements it in NML :-P
10:49:56  <Ammler> sorry for the highlight again ;-)
10:50:24  <dihedral> was just an idea
10:51:25  <planetmaker> dihedral, there are many newgrf writers IMHO. But still it needs doing
10:52:17  <dihedral> what's with moving away from specially patched, and running clean stable / trunk ?
10:52:17  <planetmaker> And yes, things might become much easier accessible via NML
10:52:46  <Ammler> (at least client side)
10:53:24  <Ammler> dihedral: we need something to sell it as "special" :-)
10:53:58  <dihedral> no, we just need to advertise correctly
10:54:07  <dihedral> spread the word
10:54:13  <planetmaker> Still, it might be a indeed enough to use a clean trunk. With a proper scenario, administration and advertizement
10:54:15  <dihedral> make the special part 'mmo'
10:54:26  <dihedral> exactly
10:54:40  <dihedral> admin is enough work
10:54:43  <dihedral> :-P
10:54:44  <planetmaker> Several companies. Some certain goals. Maybe some selected NewGRF, something nifty, small special, crafted for it :-)
10:55:08  <dihedral> only grf's on bananas (would at least help getting a bunch of players)
10:55:15  <planetmaker> Like maybe a special airport. Or a special neutral industry with an airport (possible)
10:55:32  <planetmaker> Of course only bananas. But we can upload anything we write ourselves
10:55:39  <dihedral> tasks, monitored by admins
10:55:47  <dihedral> planetmaker, sure :-)
10:56:10  <dihedral> will need a huge map....
10:56:17  <planetmaker> Like there could be some NewObjects only released for the nightly in question (and later)
10:56:24  <Ammler> something which interests advanced and newbies
10:56:26  <planetmaker> Some new houses
10:56:37  <dihedral> 2048^2 map :-P
10:56:50  <planetmaker> E.g. I could imagine that it might make sense to mod SwedishHouses accordingly
10:57:03  <dihedral> :-)
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10:57:48  <dihedral> or we get a patch into trunk :-P which takes new houses newgrfs at gamecreation and uses one grf only for a certain town :-P
10:57:55  <Ammler> hmm, transfer is already possible with oilrigs, right?
10:58:11  <Ammler> can we make such stations also on the map with our own industry grf?
10:58:38  <Ammler> transfer between companies
10:59:36  <Ammler> and we can "patch" firs so it will have region based industries
10:59:39  <planetmaker> dihedral, that won't make trunk As a newgrf can force that already itself
11:00:02  <planetmaker> that is: in trunk for ages
11:00:47  <planetmaker> It's just that such newgrf are kinda the most advanced things possible
11:01:24  <planetmaker> It needs many sprites (as you need separate ones for every special building) and then it needs the code to support all that
11:01:39  <planetmaker> It's way easier to just provide the houses based on age or epoche :-)
11:02:04  <dihedral> ok ^^
11:02:04  <planetmaker> but then... on George's and my agenda is something like 'regions' for ttrs4
11:02:12  <dihedral> uh
11:02:35  <planetmaker> but that's not due in like this year, maybe not even next
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11:28:24  <dihedral> then lets do a simple trunk
11:28:40  <dihedral> lets find a date and design a map?
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12:15:11  <dihedral> Ammler, not tested, but should work, give it a try: http://pub.dihedral.de/openttd/ap+/bug1436fix.diff
12:16:10  <dihedral> tabset is wrong :-P
12:16:20  <dihedral> so fix the stile before committing it too
12:18:09  <Ammler> ah splitting to path and file, good idea
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12:20:14  <dihedral> it'll crash though if you try to hot-load the patch ;-)
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12:25:43  <dihedral> !playercount
12:25:44  <PublicServer> dihedral: Number of players: 0
12:25:46  <dihedral> Ammler, ^
12:25:48  <dihedral> :-P
12:25:51  <dihedral> ... patch :-P
12:30:18  <Ammler> !restart
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12:31:06  <dihedral> cron job?
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12:31:39  <planetmaker> :-P
12:31:46  <planetmaker> auto-crash
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12:33:09  <dihedral> que?
12:33:12  <dihedral> output
12:33:44  <Ammler> ah, that broke my screenshot patch :-)
12:34:09  <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/autopilot-mq/repository/entry/makeScreenshots.diff
12:34:55  <dihedral> :-P
12:35:03  <dihedral> well, you know now how to fix it :-P
12:35:09  <Ammler> mayonaise, hg mq on debian is so sold :-)
12:35:11  <Ammler> yes
12:36:36  <Ammler> hmm, trailing slash on path?
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12:37:06  <dihedral> you can put as many slashes or notslashes as you like :-P
12:37:08  <Ammler> [com]buster: try!
12:37:34  <dihedral> you try :-P
12:37:38  <Ammler> !../../../autopilot.tcl
12:37:43  <dihedral> !players
12:37:46  <PublicServer> dihedral: There are currently no clients connected to the server
12:37:48  <dihedral> :-P
12:37:51  <Ammler> [::irc::irc0] no callback file found: ../../../autopilot.tcl
12:37:52  <dihedral> \o/
12:38:18  <Ammler> muochos grazios
12:38:35  <dihedral> momentos
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12:39:08  <dihedral> hmm - never mind
12:39:22  <dihedral> commit - i might add another little line or 2
12:40:29  <dihedral> lunch!
12:40:36  <Ammler> en guete
12:40:42  <Ammler> late?
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12:58:25  <dihedral> yep
12:58:28  <dihedral> quite late
13:03:19  <V453000> !password
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13:05:49  <lugo> mornings
13:05:59  <lugo> just came across http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/releases/readme.txt
13:06:03  <PublicServer> <V453000> ello
13:06:33  <lugo> and was wondering if  DB Set XL (with FIRS extension) is the same as ECS extension
13:06:39  <[com]buster> Ammler, wrong command ;)
13:06:40  <[com]buster> !../../../autopilot
13:06:43  <[com]buster> !password
13:06:43  <PublicServer> [com]buster: shacks
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13:06:56  <PublicServer> <V453000> lugo: DB set works with FIRS
13:07:02  <PublicServer> <V453000> without any extensions
13:07:31  <Ammler> [com]buster: bug still ok?
13:07:37  <Ammler> but*
13:07:37  <planetmaker> kinda ;-) But there are somewhat unsupported cargos which can only be transported in 'wrong' wagons
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13:07:52  <planetmaker> Besides, you need the ECS extension, V453000
13:08:01  <V453000> it worked for me
13:08:03  <lugo> V453000, great to hear that,  thanks :D
13:08:03  <V453000> without it
13:08:17  <V453000> only bauxite was missing
13:08:27  <lugo> ah ok
13:08:29  <planetmaker> "only... missing" = it works?
13:08:37  <PublicServer> <V453000> 1 cargo is missing
13:08:37  <planetmaker> well, then many things work
13:08:41  <PublicServer> <V453000> the rest does
13:09:05  <[com]buster> it eliminates the aluminum tree though :(
13:09:05  <dihedral> [com]buster should be happy now :-P
13:09:18  <Ammler> so, sorry in advance...
13:09:20  <lugo> but there's no real firs-extension for db-set, right
13:09:20  <Ammler> !restart
13:09:20  <PublicServer> Ammler: Restart scheduled, will be initiated in next minute!
13:09:22  <dihedral> with the bug
13:09:26  <[com]buster> haven't checked the logs, but seeing as it still works
13:09:36  <PublicServer> <V453000> lugo: no, the bauxite is just missing
13:09:46  <PublicServer> <V453000> combine it with US set I can recommend
13:09:57  <PublicServer> <V453000> that way you get bauxite and nice variety of wagons for different cargoes
13:10:01  <dihedral> [com]buster, it'll let you know that there is no command named ../../../autopilot
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13:10:02  <planetmaker> <lugo> but there's no real firs-extension for db-set, right <-- there is one. But it only works with FIRS 0.2
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13:10:14  <planetmaker> And it won't be updated any time soon
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13:10:17  <Ammler> dihedral: the problem is that our ps still has no signal support (tclx isn't installed)
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13:10:25  <V453000> !password
13:10:25  <PublicServer> V453000: corset
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13:10:42  <Ammler> so I do the save on !restart and so it can happen that a part got lost
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13:10:58  <planetmaker> I kinda find it sad that the German trains are occupied by MB. That blocks anyone taking on a new German train set
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13:11:17  <planetmaker> If someone would provide the sprites I'd happily start with that, though ;-)
13:11:31  <PublicServer> <V453000> MB seems to be quite a cunt to me from what I have heard so far :)
13:11:54  <planetmaker> I should not talk about that
13:11:55  <Ammler> V453000: the problem is his sense of qualitiy
13:12:13  <Ammler> and since he doesn't spend so much time anymore, the new release takes years
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13:12:25  <dihedral> planetmaker, no wonder you have too many things going on :-P
13:12:32  <planetmaker> :-)
13:12:33  <V453000> Ammler: I see :(
13:12:53  <planetmaker> V453000, the last release was ... the existing DBSet afaik
13:12:58  <planetmaker> which is 2005-ish or so
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13:13:17  <dihedral> \o/ sounds like a MS release cycle :-P
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13:13:36  <V453000> yea :(
13:13:38  <planetmaker> dihedral, that needs proof. There's no new release scheduled
13:14:05  <planetmaker> V453000, besides I'd rather see a German train grf with bananas support and better also open-source
13:14:15  <Ammler> (forgot to activate logs again)
13:14:23  <V453000> pm: instead of? :)
13:14:41  <planetmaker> instead of "do not modify or extend" and "no bananas"
13:14:46  <V453000> oh such
13:14:50  <V453000> well sure :)
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13:14:53  <planetmaker> and loathing of the engine pool and such
13:15:15  <planetmaker> rather support new features than to disable a set, if they are active
13:15:21  <Ammler> planetmaker: we could make the swissset
13:15:30  <Ammler> and extend it to Germany :-P
13:15:39  <planetmaker> NML needs anyway a good train example ;-)
13:15:45  <Ammler> or didn't someone start with a euroset?
13:15:45  <planetmaker> So I just need a good reason :-P
13:15:57  <planetmaker> Both, a Swiss and a Euro set were started
13:16:02  <planetmaker> iirc
13:16:27  <Ammler> swissset is a forum project afaik, so that shouldn't be a problem to take over
13:16:40  <Ammler> but no idea, how many sprites are around
13:16:45  <planetmaker> Well... :-)
13:17:00  <planetmaker> I guess starting with one full-fledged train would do the trick
13:17:10  <planetmaker> Help NML and get something started which could be easily extended
13:17:16  <dihedral> Ammler, an EU set :-D
13:17:27  <Ammler> dihedral: based on CH :-P
13:17:31  <planetmaker> lol
13:17:35  <dihedral> :-P
13:17:39  <dihedral> tsss.
13:17:44  <planetmaker> parameter1: Swiss prices
13:17:45  <Ammler> the heart of EU :-)
13:17:59  <dihedral> swizerland does not even belong to the EU
13:18:11  <Ammler> yes, but still to europe :-P
13:18:15  <Ammler> afaik
13:18:20  <planetmaker> not sure :-P
13:18:25  <Ammler> me neither
13:18:26  <dihedral> nono - swiss is a separate continent
13:18:38  <dihedral> i think they belong to the united Mars Foundation :-P
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13:19:03  <dihedral> just kidding Ammler - we both know you have the nicest ski resorts :-P
13:19:08  <planetmaker> Hm, I should create a few dummy sprites and just start coding ;-)
13:19:20  <planetmaker> who cares about ski resorts?
13:19:29  <planetmaker> Mountain hiking!
13:19:31  <Ammler> planetmaker: well, then the swiss set wouldn't be the worst
13:19:31  <dihedral> planetmaker, "blue_squars.grf"? :-P
13:19:53  <planetmaker> Ammler, I know :-P
13:20:04  <^Spike^> better suggestion: Beer can on tracks and call it the SmatZ pack ;)
13:20:13  <planetmaker> Ammler, mostly such set would need a graphics artist dedicated to draw the rolling stock
13:20:17  <planetmaker> Int the needed variations
13:21:40  <Ammler> hmm, does nutracks have narrow gauge btw.?
13:21:53  <dihedral> Ammler, can you commit that patch to hg?
13:21:58  <planetmaker> IIRC via parameter, Ammler
13:22:05  <planetmaker> Or maybe that's only planned. dunno
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13:26:52  <Ammler> hmm, hg 1.0.1 is soo old :-(
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13:29:03  <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=47097 <-- European train set
13:29:05  <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums • View topic - The Generic European Train Set (GES) Release Thread (at www.tt-forums.net)
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13:33:05  <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=14761&start=720&hilit=Swiss <-- swiss set
13:33:06  <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums • View topic - Swiss Set | Artists Required | Website Updated! (at www.tt-forums.net)
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13:51:46  <Ammler> [15:21] <dihedral> Ammler, can you commit that patch to hg? <-- done: r92
13:52:42  <dihedral> thanks :-)
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19:29:57  <PublicServer> als: dainty
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19:31:55  <PublicServer> <ryx> I'll leave in a minute
19:32:01  <PublicServer> <als> :(
19:32:04  <PublicServer> <ryx> just wanted to look if anything changed
19:32:14  <PublicServer> <ryx> (I don't even have a mouse here)
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20:35:06  <PublicServer> uliko_: dainty
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20:40:42  <Ammler> !version
20:40:42  <PublicServer> Ammler: Autopilot AP+ 4.0 Beta (r93+.078f8249b3dc+)
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20:44:34  <bierworst> hi
20:44:36  <PublicServer> <uliko> Hello
20:44:50  <PublicServer> <Combuster> Hi
20:45:36  <bierworst> new here, altough i have been lurking on the site for quite a while. Just decided to join irc for more fun?
20:46:52  <planetmaker> maybe :-)
20:46:57  <planetmaker> welcome to #openttdcoop
20:47:36  <bierworst> thanks
20:47:52  <PublicServer> <uliko> Heh, I just noticed the transmitters sit on a grass tile even above the snow line :)
20:47:58  <planetmaker> we advise new users to have a look at
20:48:02  <planetmaker> @quickstart
20:48:04  <Webster> Quickstart - #openttdcoop Wiki - http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Quickstart
20:48:07  <planetmaker> or alternatively at
20:48:10  <planetmaker> @slowstart
20:48:10  <Webster> Read everything on the wiki, and I mean everything
20:48:12  <planetmaker> :-P
20:48:35  <bierworst> well, as i said, i have visited the site for some time now
20:48:43  <bierworst> but never activly
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20:48:55  <planetmaker> Following quickstart will get you on the server and in the game... quickly
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20:48:58  <planetmaker> Following quickstart will get you on the server and in the game... quickly
20:49:08  <bierwost> oke
20:49:21  <planetmaker> ask, if instructions there are not clear :-)
20:49:26  <bierwost> do irc commands work in here?
20:49:47  <PublicServer> <uliko> One would hope so
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20:50:53  <planetmaker> try it, bierwost ;-)
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20:51:34  <bierwost>  /name something should rename my right?
20:51:37  <bierwost> it wont work
20:51:48  <PublicServer> <uliko> Try /nick
20:52:05  <bierwost> ty
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20:55:17  <sh3> !password
20:55:17  <PublicServer> sh3: equine
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21:11:45  <PublicServer> <uliko> Can anyone join quickly so I can finish my prio?
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21:14:48  <PublicServer> <uliko> damn
21:15:39  <bierworst> !revision
21:15:39  <PublicServer> bierworst: Game version is r20690
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21:17:50  <PublicServer> <uliko> Ok that seems to be working
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21:28:45  <PublicServer> <uliko> You bilding anything?
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21:34:54  <Ammler> !reload config
21:34:54  <PublicServer> Ammler: config reloaded
21:36:11  <bierworst> !download
21:36:12  <PublicServer> bierworst: !download autostart|autottd|lin|lin64|osx|ottdau|win32|win64|win9x
21:36:34  <bierworst> !download win32
21:36:34  <PublicServer> bierworst: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r20690/openttd-trunk-r20690-windows-win32.zip
21:37:28  <Ammler> Popcorn roasting?
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21:40:21  <[com]buster> why not?
21:42:46  <[com]buster> there's little else you can make out of maize
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21:47:45  <bierworst> can i have password for ps? or how to get it?
21:48:02  <[com]buster> !password
21:48:02  <PublicServer> [com]buster: crayon
21:48:07  <bierworst> nice
21:49:12  <PublicServer> <Combuster> You might want to set a nickname before joining
21:49:42  <PublicServer> <Combuster> so everybody in-game knows who's who
21:49:52  <PublicServer> <Player> yeah sorry
21:49:59  <PublicServer> <Player> ill rejoin
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21:50:22  <PublicServer> <Combuster> no problem
21:50:33  <PublicServer> <Combuster> happens with the best of us once in a while :)
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21:52:59  <PublicServer> <bierworst> first timer
21:53:16  <V453000> !pasword
21:53:19  <V453000> !password
21:53:20  <PublicServer> V453000: crayon
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21:53:34  <PublicServer> <V453000> hi ther
21:53:39  <PublicServer> <bierworst> hi
21:53:48  <PublicServer> <Combuster> Hey V
21:53:53  <PublicServer> <V453000> how is the game?
21:54:03  <PublicServer> <Combuster> progressing slowly
21:54:09  <PublicServer> <V453000> I see
21:54:23  <PublicServer> <Combuster> almost done with my eyecandy business
21:54:31  <PublicServer> <V453000> well slow progress is imo better in most cases
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21:55:17  <PublicServer> <V453000> yes I noticed :) the city stations overpasses are interesting in the ISR stations :)
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21:55:29  <PublicServer> <V453000> or how ever is that called :)
21:55:43  <PublicServer> <Combuster> industrial renewal
21:55:49  <PublicServer> <V453000> I know
21:55:55  <PublicServer> <V453000> I rather meant the city station pieces
21:56:17  <PublicServer> <Combuster> Just the city stations set
21:56:41  <PublicServer> <V453000> I wasnt sure about the "Overpass"
21:56:48  <PublicServer> <V453000> whether it isnt called somehow else :)
21:57:14  <PublicServer> <V453000> the ones you use like I do the "valuable unloader"
21:57:28  <PublicServer> <V453000> or similarly anyway :)
21:57:39  <PublicServer> <Combuster> I have a mountaintop
21:57:52  <PublicServer> <Combuster> and there's little good stuff for raised tiles
21:59:33  <PublicServer> <Combuster> There isn't much unconnected stuff, as far as I can see...
22:00:48  <PublicServer> <Combuster> time to flood some poldering mess
22:01:03  <PublicServer> <V453000> :)
22:01:06  <PublicServer> <Combuster> atdt's lakeside cottage
22:01:28  <PublicServer> <V453000> that shit near "Arrow Lake" ?
22:01:42  <PublicServer> <Combuster> hill test
22:01:49  <PublicServer> <V453000> holy wtf
22:01:59  <PublicServer> <V453000> that doewns look natural TF to me
22:02:14  <PublicServer> <Combuster> it doesn't no
22:02:42  <PublicServer> <V453000> I will load the original save and replicate the mountain
22:02:56  <PublicServer> <Combuster> good plan
22:03:31  <PublicServer> <Combuster> hmm, there's no "arrow lake"
22:03:40  <ryx> !password
22:03:40  <PublicServer> ryx: propel
22:03:46  <PublicServer> <V453000> see station
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22:03:52  <PublicServer> <V453000> Arrow Lake Resort
22:03:54  <PublicServer> <V453000> just ugly candy :)
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22:04:10  <PublicServer> <V453000> hmm btw there was no mountain at all :D
22:04:36  <PublicServer> <Combuster> I doubt there was
22:05:23  <PublicServer> <Combuster> anyway, the arrow lake resort isn't hurting anyone
22:05:31  <PublicServer> <bierworst> where are you guys building now?
22:05:37  <PublicServer> <V453000> no :) I just dont like it
22:05:55  <PublicServer> <Combuster> south side of map
22:06:01  <PublicServer> <Combuster> cleaning up some old mess
22:06:29  <PublicServer> <bierworst> okay
22:06:33  <PublicServer> <Combuster> Do you have a year for your save, V?
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22:06:45  <PublicServer> <V453000> ?
22:06:47  <PublicServer> <V453000> 1950
22:06:50  <PublicServer> <V453000> the original one
22:07:12  <PublicServer> <Combuster> I don't think I have psg193start.sav
22:07:31  <PublicServer> <V453000> well you dont need it or you can download it :)
22:08:04  <PublicServer> <Combuster> I thought maybe you could use some help there
22:08:14  <PublicServer> <V453000> nah thanks :)
22:08:18  <PublicServer> <Combuster> reconstructing mountains is annoying work
22:08:37  <PublicServer> <V453000> ok with me
22:08:43  <PublicServer> <V453000> but atdt is gonna pay
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22:14:44  <PublicServer> <V453000> behold
22:14:50  <PublicServer> <V453000> power of nature regeneration is here
22:14:57  <PublicServer> <V453000> good as new :)
22:15:15  <PublicServer> <Combuster> not to forget the trees
22:15:21  <PublicServer> <V453000> :)
22:20:48  <PublicServer> <bierworst> so can i connect more industy?
22:21:06  <PublicServer> <Combuster> of course
22:21:16  <PublicServer> <bierworst> hurray
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22:21:43  <PublicServer> <Combuster> I'm off to bed though
22:21:56  <PublicServer> <Combuster> ask V453000 if you have questions ;)
22:22:02  <PublicServer> <bierworst> oke
22:22:04  <PublicServer> <Combuster> 'night folks
22:22:06  <PublicServer> <bierworst> i have one
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22:22:19  <V453000> cya Combi :)
22:22:40  <bierworst> what about terraforming v4530000?
22:22:52  <PublicServer> <uliko> Keep it to a minimum
22:23:07  <V453000> ^
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22:27:33  <PublicServer> <uliko> Remember trains drive on right whoever is connecting Vallenköping coal mine
22:27:43  <PublicServer> <bierworst> is it necicery?
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22:28:09  <PublicServer> <uliko> Depends on who you ask I supposse :)
22:30:18  <PublicServer> <V453000> btw
22:30:21  <PublicServer> <V453000> why that damn bridge
22:30:27  <PublicServer> <V453000> near Vallenköping Mines
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22:30:29  <PublicServer> <bierworst> why not
22:30:32  <PublicServer> <V453000> why yes
22:30:38  <PublicServer> <V453000> unneccessary gap
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22:30:54  <PublicServer> <bierworst> it's leading to one station only?
22:30:59  <PublicServer> <V453000> yes
22:31:01  <PublicServer> <V453000> but there is no reason at all
22:31:03  <PublicServer> <bierworst> im here to learn but it seems odd
22:32:04  <PublicServer> <V453000> hm
22:32:04  <PublicServer> <V453000> ok
22:32:06  <PublicServer> <V453000> this is way worse
22:32:12  <PublicServer> <V453000> why would you terraform it
22:32:14  <PublicServer> <V453000> to make it flat?
22:32:22  <PublicServer> <bierworst> because?
22:32:30  <PublicServer> <V453000> please note how far trains slow on slopes
22:32:33  <PublicServer> <V453000> (they dont)
22:32:41  <PublicServer> <bierworst> meh
22:33:08  <PublicServer> <bierworst> you're the type of person that is always right no?
22:33:19  <PublicServer> <V453000> why would I
22:33:22  <PublicServer> <bierworst> :P
22:33:31  <PublicServer> <V453000> I am just giving you reasons
22:34:10  <PublicServer> <V453000> btw
22:34:16  <PublicServer> <bierworst> yes?
22:34:19  <PublicServer> <V453000> the ! TRAINYARD ! is there for a reason
22:34:26  <PublicServer> <V453000> in this particular case it has different orders
22:34:32  <PublicServer> <V453000> and train groups
22:34:42  <PublicServer> <V453000> groups are fine I see
22:34:56  <PublicServer> <bierworst> i used the trainyard ?
22:35:03  <PublicServer> <bierworst> whats wrong
22:35:05  <PublicServer> <V453000> obviously not
22:35:07  <PublicServer> <bierworst> ?
22:35:21  <PublicServer> <V453000> your trains have Go to "", andthey dont have "unload and leave empty"
22:35:41  <PublicServer> <V453000> (instead of go non-stop)
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22:35:54  <PublicServer> <bierworst> better now?
22:36:08  <PublicServer> <V453000> and the non-stop
22:36:17  <PublicServer> <V453000> good
22:36:35  <PublicServer> <bierworst> in singleplayer it gives nonstop to trains auto
22:36:35  <PublicServer> <V453000> also, we usually make depots inaccessible :)
22:36:37  <PublicServer> <V453000> good rule :)
22:36:45  <PublicServer> <bierworst> tada
22:36:55  <PublicServer> <V453000> it gives orders on nonstop or go to just as you set it in advanced settings
22:37:38  <PublicServer> <V453000> Vehicles -> new orders are non-stop by default: on/off
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22:38:06  <PublicServer> <bierworst> yes thank yo
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22:38:49  <PublicServer> <bierworst> why is the depot usualy unreachable?
22:39:15  <PublicServer> <V453000> because if you accidentally hit send all trains to depot, nothing happens :)
22:39:26  <PublicServer> <bierworst> (Y)
22:39:32  <PublicServer> <V453000> although we do have a few of those here
22:39:38  <PublicServer> <V453000> (at least one I know of)
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22:49:06  <planetmaker> !screen
22:49:06  <PublicServer> *** planetmaker made screenshot at 000075C1: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/000075C1.png
22:53:52  <Ammler> !rcon zoom
22:53:52  <PublicServer> Ammler: ERROR: command not found
22:53:58  <Ammler> pm, no :-o
22:54:06  <Ammler> hmm
22:54:19  <Ammler> but it should :-)
22:54:41  <planetmaker> no
22:54:58  <planetmaker> we shouldn't apply all kind of patches just because
22:55:19  <planetmaker> *sigh*
22:55:21  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 000051C1: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/000051C1.png
22:55:27  <Ammler> planetmaker: that is required
22:55:27  <planetmaker> please no
22:55:33  <planetmaker> what for?
22:55:37  <planetmaker> not at all
22:55:56  <planetmaker> we've been living up to now without. Quite nicely
22:55:58  <Ammler> because sometimes someone loads a save with wrong level
22:56:18  <planetmaker> that's a very bad reason to patch the server
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23:01:41  <Ammler> !restart
23:01:41  <PublicServer> Ammler: Restart scheduled, will be initiated in next minute!
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23:02:27  <PublicServer> Autopilot engaged
23:02:27  <PublicServer> Loading savegame: '#openttdcoop - The Public Server (www.openttdcoop.org)'
23:02:27  *** ChanServ sets mode: +v PublicServer
23:02:27  *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG #193 (r20690) | STAGE: Building | www.openttdcoop.org | New players, use @quickstart and !help | Screenshots: http://img.openttdcoop.org | Coopetition ladder: http://mz.openttdcoop.org/ladder | Welcome to the depths of insanity | create a wiki userpage"
23:04:36  <Ammler> !rcon zoom
23:04:37  <PublicServer> Ammler: - Changes current zoom level of the main viewport.
23:04:37  <PublicServer> Ammler: - Usage: 'zoom <0-3>'
23:04:47  <Ammler> planetmaker: so simple ^
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23:06:39  <bierworst> !password
23:06:40  <PublicServer> bierworst: smears
23:10:52  <bierworst> what the poop is going on?
23:12:40  <planetmaker> !rcon debug_level
23:12:40  <PublicServer> planetmaker: say "<Ammler> planetmaker: so simple ^"
23:12:40  <PublicServer> planetmaker: [All] PublicServer: <Ammler> planetmaker: so simple ^
23:12:40  <PublicServer> planetmaker: *** bierworst has joined the game (Client #8)
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23:12:42  <PublicServer> planetmaker: *** bierworst has left the game (leaving)
23:12:42  <PublicServer> planetmaker: say "<bierworst> what the poop is going on?"
23:12:44  <PublicServer> planetmaker: [All] PublicServer: <bierworst> what the poop is going on?
23:12:44  <PublicServer> planetmaker: Current debug-level: 'ai=0, driver=0, grf=0, map=0, misc=0, net=0, sprite=0, oldloader=0, npf=0, yapf=0, freetype=0, sl=0, gamelog=0, desync=0, console=0'
23:12:52  <planetmaker> hm
23:12:56  <planetmaker> that is wrong
23:12:59  <planetmaker> ^ Ammler
23:13:06  <planetmaker> ap+ is wrong
23:13:14  <Ammler> about?
23:13:25  <planetmaker> what does it give me all the last lines?
23:13:33  <planetmaker> only the last is what it should have answered
23:13:43  <Ammler> !rcon debug_level
23:13:43  <PublicServer> Ammler: say "<planetmaker> hm"
23:13:43  <PublicServer> Ammler: [All] PublicServer: <planetmaker> hm
23:13:43  <PublicServer> Ammler: say "<planetmaker> that is wrong"
23:13:43  <PublicServer> Ammler: [All] PublicServer: <planetmaker> that is wrong
23:13:43  <PublicServer> Ammler: say "<planetmaker> ^ Ammler "
23:13:44  <PublicServer> Ammler: [All] PublicServer: <planetmaker> ^ Ammler
23:13:44  <PublicServer> Ammler: say "<planetmaker> ap+ is wrong"
23:13:46  <PublicServer> Ammler: [All] PublicServer: <planetmaker> ap+ is wrong
23:13:46  <PublicServer> Ammler: say "<Ammler> about?"
23:13:48  <PublicServer> Ammler: [All] PublicServer: <Ammler> about?
23:13:48  <PublicServer> Ammler: you have 5 more messages
23:13:54  <Ammler> hmm
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23:15:32  <Ammler> !restart
23:15:32  <PublicServer> Ammler: Restart scheduled, will be initiated in next minute!
23:16:01  <Ammler> if you check the console, there is no company
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23:16:03  <Ammler> !info
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23:16:14  <PublicServer> Loading savegame: '#openttdcoop - The Public Server (www.openttdcoop.org)'
23:16:14  *** ChanServ sets mode: +v PublicServer
23:16:14  *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG #193 (r20690) | STAGE: Building | www.openttdcoop.org | New players, use @quickstart and !help | Screenshots: http://img.openttdcoop.org | Coopetition ladder: http://mz.openttdcoop.org/ladder | Welcome to the depths of insanity | create a wiki userpage"
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23:17:06  <Ammler> !rcon debug_level
23:17:06  <PublicServer> Ammler: Current debug-level: 'ai=0, driver=0, grf=0, map=0, misc=0, net=0, sprite=0, oldloader=0, npf=0, yapf=0, freetype=0, sl=0, gamelog=0, desync=0, console=0'
23:17:16  <Ammler> !rcon zoom
23:17:16  <PublicServer> Ammler: - Changes current zoom level of the main viewport.
23:17:16  <PublicServer> Ammler: - Usage: 'zoom <0-3>'
23:17:26  <Ammler> !date
23:17:26  <PublicServer> Ammler: 30 May 2259
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23:21:15  <Ammler> !unpause
23:21:15  <PublicServer> *** Ammler has unpaused the server. (Use !auto to set it back.)
23:21:17  <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (number of players)
23:21:54  <PublicServer> *** Amm1er has enabled autopause mode.
23:21:56  <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players)
23:22:16  <Ammler> !screen
23:22:17  <PublicServer> *** Ammler liked to make screenshot of last action, but nobody was working since. (http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0003B5D7.png)
23:22:38  <Ammler> !screen
23:22:39  <PublicServer> *** Ammler made screenshot at 0000AE81: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0000AE81.png
23:22:55  <Ammler> !rcon zoom 3
23:23:11  <Ammler> !rcon zoom 3
23:23:16  <Ammler> !screen
23:23:17  <PublicServer> *** Ammler made screenshot at 0000BE7C: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0000BE7C.png
23:23:42  <Ammler> !rcon zoom 0
23:24:03  <Ammler> !screen
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23:25:01  <bierworst> !password
23:25:01  <PublicServer> bierworst: cherry
23:25:22  <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (number of players)
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23:27:57  <PublicServer> <Amm1er> Hallo du :-)
23:27:59  <PublicServer> <bierworst> hi
23:29:49  <PublicServer> <Amm1er> I wonder those sidings works
23:30:04  <PublicServer> <bierworst> what? where?
23:30:18  <PublicServer> <Amm1er> at GOODS Pickup
23:30:32  <PublicServer> <Amm1er> there is no pf trap
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23:32:30  <PublicServer> <bierworst> its says to never question v/s logic:P
23:36:24  <PublicServer> <Amm1er> my pc can't handle it
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23:36:42  <PublicServer> <bierworst> sucs
23:37:22  <Ammler> I let it run, please quit if you are done
23:37:31  <Ammler> so the game does pause
23:37:40  <avdg> gn folks
23:37:46  <PublicServer> <bierworst> good night
23:37:58  <Ammler> night avdg
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