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Log for #openttdcoop on 27th October 2010:
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00:01:51  <V453000> @stage Planning
00:01:51  *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG #196 (r21038) | STAGE: Planning | www.openttdcoop.org | New players, use @quickstart and !help | Screenshots: http://img.openttdcoop.org"
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00:02:28  <glevans2> !dl lin
00:02:28  <PublicServer> glevans2: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r21038/openttd-trunk-r21038-linux-generic-i686.tar.bz2
00:09:12  <glevans2> !grf
00:09:13  <PublicServer> glevans2: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/GRF (Version 8.0)
00:09:21  <V453000> :)
00:09:23  <V453000> !auto
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00:09:59  <V453000> im off :p cya
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00:28:01  <XeryusTC> !password
00:28:01  <PublicServer> XeryusTC: hurled
00:30:56  <XeryusTC> !unpause
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00:38:39  <XeryusTC> !auto
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00:44:10  <XeryusTC> Ammler: ap seems to be broken still :o
00:45:05  <glevans2> I wondered why it wasn't reporting everything
00:45:29  <XeryusTC> well, that is why
00:45:40  <XeryusTC> you can chat from irc to ingame, but not the other way around
00:46:05  <XeryusTC> @topic add Proper English Only!
00:46:05  *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG #196 (r21038) | STAGE: Planning | www.openttdcoop.org | New players, use @quickstart and !help | Screenshots: http://img.openttdcoop.org | Proper English Only!"
00:46:43  <glevans2> whats the link for irc stats?
00:46:51  <XeryusTC> anyway, time for me to go to bed
00:47:00  <glevans2> night XeryusTC
00:47:12  <XeryusTC> gn
00:47:14  <XeryusTC> !stats
00:47:14  <PublicServer> XeryusTC: use @coopstats
00:47:18  <XeryusTC> @coopstats
00:47:18  <Webster> http://hyru.ath.cx:60080/~kenji/ottdcoop/stats.html
00:47:22  <Sylf> !dl win64
00:47:22  <PublicServer> Sylf: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r21038/openttd-trunk-r21038-windows-win64.zip
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00:54:02  <G> !dl
00:54:03  <PublicServer> G: !dl autostart|autottd|lin|lin64|osx|ottdau|win32|win64|win9x
00:54:03  <PublicServer> G: http://www.openttd.org/en/download-trunk/r21038
00:54:05  <G> !dl osx
00:54:06  <PublicServer> G: use !svn or ask avdg or planetm4ker
00:54:22  <Sylf> !dl lin
00:54:22  <PublicServer> Sylf: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r21038/openttd-trunk-r21038-linux-generic-i686.tar.bz2
00:54:34  * G will just compile it himself then
00:54:56  * Sylf has no clue
00:55:17  <Sylf> compiling on linux was painless, but if binary is given, I'll take the lazy route
00:56:14  <glevans2> same here..
00:56:59  <glevans2> download binary, copy data files in, run, update, play...
01:09:25  <Max|> Better yet, put data files in ~/.openttd/data in first place
01:11:45  <G> Sylf: actually it's not too bad... "svn up -r <foo>; make install; cd ../; ./svn/games/openttd
01:11:48  <G> :P
01:12:22  <glevans2> Max|,  if all I play on is one computer, that works good....but I keep things on usb so I can just stop somewhere and play...
01:13:26  <Sylf> yeah, not too bad... not far off from linux
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02:56:55  <Webster> The third coop bot
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03:13:15  <Sylf> o_O
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03:25:29  <G> huh another GRF got loaded onto the public server during this PSG?
03:25:48  <G> !password
03:25:48  <PublicServer> G: hurled
03:28:58  <G> hmmmm trains w/o orders....
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03:55:14  <Sylf> The trainset?
04:04:25  <G> Sylf: one of the plans
04:04:47  <Sylf> Oh, I was talking about the GRFs
04:05:13  <Sylf> but yeah, trains w/o orders has been done before, but nothing like this configuration
04:07:05  <G> oh yeah, it was the tropic GRF that got added in
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05:52:34  <HamSandwich> !password
05:52:34  <PublicServer> HamSandwich: hurled
05:53:01  <HamSandwich> !dl win64
05:53:01  <PublicServer> HamSandwich: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r21038/openttd-trunk-r21038-windows-win64.zip
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06:00:12  <Yrol> Hello :o) How can i make it, without programming, that the game can be played very long, if not wihtout end? as an example, make a locomotive and some wagon appear at year 1 A.D. or soß
06:01:28  <Max|> Try asking in #openttd
06:01:37  <Sylf> There were no trains in 1 A.D.
06:02:06  <Sylf> but why bother starting so far back
06:02:52  <Sylf> set "vehicles never expire" on, and play it from 1920 to 21920
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06:03:06  <Sylf> or whatever arbitrary year
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06:05:24  <Yrol> oO
06:06:31  <Yrol> I did not ask to be on the defending side of what i like. but thanks for deciding for me what is good and what  not, Sylf.
06:07:06  <Sylf> ?
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06:09:01  <Yrol> Max| I did so already, no response
06:11:26  <Yrol> Sylf, It is not the task of the one who helps to question the validity of the matter the person in need of help seeks help for. Either help, or say you cant, but do not tell people that what they want to be helped with is stupid or useless or not what "you" want. because, frankly, thats plain rude.
06:11:47  <G> Yrol: the earliest you can play w/o having to create a GRF is about 1900 w/ the RV GRFs that have horse & carriage
06:14:13  <G> !gap 5 10
06:14:14  <PublicServer> G: You need 2 tunnels/bridges for trainlength 5 and gap 10.
06:15:00  <G> Yrol: it's eGRVTS that goes back to 1900 btw
06:15:12  <Yrol> G Thank you :o) And is there maybe a tool ( like some years ago there was one for TTD as far as i remember ) to edit the introductiondates for engines and wagons?
06:15:31  <Yrol> G yes, but i dont like those. I never can get them to work either
06:15:47  <G> I think that falls under modify the GRF or create a GRF to modify the dates
06:16:09  <Yrol> yup
06:20:47  <Yrol> G The tool i meant is TTD-Alter, but iot doesnt work anymore nowadays i think.
06:25:34  <Yrol> Hm... Well, thanks so far to You, G :o)
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06:35:07  <HamSandwich> !password
06:35:07  <PublicServer> HamSandwich: hurled
06:35:32  <G> even the password isn't working
06:35:38  <HamSandwich> oh?
06:35:40  <G> (updating that is)
06:35:55  <HamSandwich> just worked for me
06:35:56  <G> HamSandwich: I meant not updating
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07:54:03  <Rzewus> hello
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07:54:10  <Rzewus> !dwonload win64
07:54:20  <Rzewus> !download win64
07:54:20  <PublicServer> Rzewus: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r21038/openttd-trunk-r21038-windows-win64.zip
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08:21:06  <V453000> ellow
08:21:09  <V453000> !password
08:21:09  <PublicServer> V453000: hurled
08:21:13  <HamSandwich> good mornign
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08:41:10  <HamSandwich> bah
08:41:10  <V453000> im off cya
08:41:13  <HamSandwich> i was buildign
08:41:19  <V453000> !unpause
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08:41:24  <HamSandwich> oh thanks
08:41:31  <V453000> tell me when you are done
08:41:34  <HamSandwich> sure
08:41:35  <V453000> with a highlight please :p
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08:49:47  <HamSandwich> V453000: I'm done building for now
08:49:49  <HamSandwich> thanks
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08:52:43  <ODM> !auto
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08:52:52  <HamSandwich> thank you!
08:53:07  <ODM> np:)
08:53:11  <ODM> what kind of game is it?
08:53:18  <HamSandwich> planning phase
08:53:26  <ODM> !revision
08:53:27  <PublicServer> ODM: Game version is r21038
08:53:38  <ODM> hmm
08:53:42  <ODM> auto updater doesnt work:S
08:53:47  <HamSandwich> but it's temprate climate
08:54:17  <ODM> ywah thought id have a look, but its not wanting me:P
08:55:13  <ODM> V453000, do you know of any changes?
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09:00:24  <ODM> !password
09:00:24  <PublicServer> ODM: hurled
09:03:02  <ODM> hmm chat is not linked anymore?
09:03:08  <ODM> atleast from ingame to outgame
09:03:24  <planetmaker> Team chat?
09:03:31  <ODM> no all chat
09:03:39  <ODM> and goodmorning mate!:)
09:03:44  <ODM> thought id hop on to see whats what^^
09:03:47  <planetmaker> :-) jo, moin
09:04:17  <ODM> not sure what has changed since ive last been on, had my mind at other stuff really:$
09:05:06  <ODM> it doesnt tell joins/quits either
09:05:18  <ODM> HamSandwich left and i didnt have a clue:D
09:06:09  <planetmaker> strange
09:06:23  <HamSandwich> chat seemed to be linked
09:06:26  <planetmaker> well. Networking code changed a lot, but... it *should* afaik not have affected this
09:06:31  <HamSandwich> but I guess not the leave/join msg
09:07:04  <planetmaker> maybe messages changed slightly... would need to check
09:07:21  <ODM> its linked one way, bt not the other
09:11:25  <ODM> ugh havent done this for too long:( head says no for a plan:P
09:15:04  <ODM> !unpause
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09:15:27  <HamSandwich> I'll join you
09:15:46  <ODM> ^^
09:15:49  <ODM> is this your first game mate?
09:15:54  <Rzewus> hello :)
09:15:57  <ODM> !auto
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09:15:59  <ODM> ello
09:16:00  <Rzewus> !password
09:16:00  <PublicServer> Rzewus: hurled
09:16:22  <HamSandwich> no
09:16:27  <HamSandwich> not my first game
09:16:35  <HamSandwich> but my 2nd game in a long time
09:16:41  <Rzewus> hmmm nice :) quite bigger map than last one xD
09:17:08  <HamSandwich> I played the last stages of 194
09:17:14  <HamSandwich> and have been around since
09:17:36  <HamSandwich> but I also played back in the 140s
09:17:41  <V453000> !password
09:17:41  <PublicServer> V453000: hurled
09:17:48  <V453000> hmm password doesnt change either
09:18:13  <ODM> yeah some stuff is messed up
09:18:33  <planetmaker> hm
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09:18:57  <planetmaker> @records
09:18:57  <Webster> #openttdcoop Records: Clients: 24 | Trains: 2001 (PSG#186) - 2522 (PZG#5) - ( 3000 (PSG#180) logic net) | Single cargo type output: 200,169 (PZG#13) | World Pop: 3,075,319 (PSG#101) 
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10:03:23  <slaca_> !password
10:03:23  <PublicServer> slaca_: hurled
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10:08:04  <ODM> poke me on irc if you need me:P
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10:10:14  <V453000> :p
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10:17:41  <ODM> not you:P
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10:24:58  <V453000> :(
10:27:25  <ODM> hehe^^
10:27:27  <ODM> hows czech?
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11:34:14  <ODM> !password
11:34:15  <PublicServer> ODM: hurled
11:39:43  <ODM> hmm, wahts the hotkey for wireframe?
11:39:47  <ODM> turned it on by accident:P
11:42:31  <XeryusTC> ctrl+b
11:42:39  <ODM> cheers
11:42:51  <XeryusTC> and it's the bounding box thingies for sprites :o
11:42:52  <ODM> hit it by accident:P
11:43:22  <XeryusTC> fortunately you can ask someone what the hotkey is, i had to find out how to turn it off all by myself xD
11:47:12  <ODM> lol
11:47:20  <ODM> if noone replied i would just try every button:D
11:47:35  <XeryusTC> hehe :D
11:47:41  <ODM> its a brilliant method
11:48:01  <XeryusTC> fortunately i remembered that i tried something which involved a ctrl and something in the vicinity of the V :P
11:48:09  <ODM> haha
11:48:21  <ODM> well its fixed;P
11:48:29  <ODM> trying some different layouts for 4ways
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11:49:34  <ODM> btw, in your plan, does every drop have all industries?
11:50:54  <XeryusTC> yes
11:51:07  <ODM> k
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12:02:30  <XeryusTC> !playercount
12:02:31  <PublicServer> XeryusTC: Number of players: 0 (7 spectators)
12:02:34  <XeryusTC> !players
12:02:37  <PublicServer> XeryusTC: Client 82 (Orange) is HamSandwich, in company 1 (Sutston Transport)
12:02:46  <XeryusTC> !playercount
12:02:46  <PublicServer> XeryusTC: Number of players: 1 (0 spectators)
12:02:49  <XeryusTC> xD
12:02:53  <XeryusTC> stupid script :P
12:03:09  <XeryusTC> !password
12:03:09  <PublicServer> XeryusTC: hurled
12:03:37  <ODM> scrips is messed up lol
12:03:42  <ODM> we have a serious ton of ugs
12:03:44  <ODM> bugs
12:03:50  <XeryusTC> jup
12:04:08  <XeryusTC> Ammler and dih are such slackers :')
12:04:37  <ODM> hmm id like to help, but i have no clue what so ever:D
12:08:58  <ODM> heh, even lost all my putty stuff
12:09:16  <XeryusTC> heh, that doesnt help very much :o
12:09:37  <ODM> yeah....should really get back into that:P
12:11:47  <planetmaker> we 'just' need a proper bot for the new admin interface ;-)
12:12:02  <planetmaker> then ap+ can be deprecated and rest in peace
12:12:14  <ODM> theres a new admin interface? avignon?
12:12:33  <planetmaker> and the admin interface needs one new addition: command logging. Though... that will hopefully still come before 1.1
12:12:46  <planetmaker> ODM: no, OpenTTD got an admin-port
12:12:52  <planetmaker> where bots can hook into
12:12:52  <ODM> hm
12:13:02  <ODM> anywhere i could find info about that?
12:13:03  <planetmaker> which can e.g. substitute ap+
12:13:09  <planetmaker> in the source code ;-)
12:13:18  <ODM> and that is where?:P
12:13:29  <planetmaker> src/network/...
12:13:54  <ODM> aah in openttd itself? i though it was just a bunch of guys doing it again
12:14:00  <planetmaker> that's what I'm saying
12:14:25  <planetmaker> it needs a new bot, but it's better integrated than ap+ ever can
12:14:55  <ODM> is there anything done on that new bot? or nothing yet
12:15:15  <planetmaker> I have a version which mirrors the console for me
12:15:20  <planetmaker> got it from dih
12:15:31  <planetmaker> (who also wrote that part which is now in openttd)
12:15:44  <ODM> well if i can help in some way id like to, not sure how though, not very homey in the bot stuff
12:16:06  <planetmaker> well. Talk to dih. It's a java-written bot
12:16:14  <XeryusTC> java :(
12:16:16  <ODM> ooh will do then
12:16:18  <ODM> java is fine, hush
12:16:24  <planetmaker> I think I'm not authorized to distribute it
12:16:38  <XeryusTC> java eats ram for breakfast, lunch, dinner and the occasional snack :(
12:16:42  <planetmaker> though... for testing and fixing you on ;-)
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12:17:00  <ODM> lol
12:17:16  <planetmaker> XeryusTC: it's alright I guess. Feel free to write a bot in any language you like, though
12:17:24  <planetmaker> :-)
12:17:28  <ODM> im home in java, so thats one problem out of the way
12:17:35  <ODM> id be glad to help out again^^
12:17:45  <planetmaker> :-)
12:17:46  <planetmaker> Cool
12:18:01  <XeryusTC> someone ought to write a bot in lisp :P
12:18:58  <XeryusTC> a bot based on self modifying code would be quite awesome :P
12:19:33  <Mortomes|Work> It's all fun and games until it starts to take over the world.
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12:24:31  <planetmaker> Good that I could hide so far my Cylon heart ;-)
12:24:35  <planetmaker> :-x
12:26:36  <Mortomes|Work> I thought only the hot chick cylons could do that.
12:27:18  <planetmaker> There's more than one human-like Cylon ;-)
12:27:30  <planetmaker> The hot-chick cylons surely are good at it, though
12:29:52  <Mortomes|Work> Frakking skinjobs
12:41:33  * ODM slaps Mortomes|Work with a stick
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13:25:04  <Thraxian|Work> hi kids, I'm back!
13:25:47  <ODM> not from work apparently:P
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13:26:36  <Thraxian|Work> eh?
13:26:47  <Thraxian|Work> it's 9:30am here, so I'm just arriving at work
13:26:52  <ODM> oh lol
13:26:55  <ODM> goodday then:P
13:30:12  <Mortomes|Work> Hah, you've still got 8 hours to go!
13:32:04  <Thraxian|Work> actually, more like 10
13:32:33  <Thraxian|Work> oh wait, it's wednesday.  So 12.
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13:33:50  <bmarky> !password
13:33:51  <PublicServer> bmarky: hurled
13:33:52  <ODM> nice
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13:34:29  <ODM> i see sign filter is in it nowadays:O
13:37:30  <Thraxian|Work> indeed it is
13:37:49  <Thraxian|Work> and we updated yesterday to fix the problem with the Client List not updating as people leave
13:38:02  <ODM> one of the many many bugs:P
13:38:38  <Thraxian|Work> can't expect too much - the game is written and supported by hobbyists in their free time
13:38:56  <ODM> true
13:39:05  <ODM> but they did a fantastic job:P
13:39:06  <planetmaker> ...
13:39:18  <planetmaker> that ap+ fails is definitely nothing to do with OpenTTD
13:39:21  <ODM> btw i meant the bugs we are having right now^^
13:39:39  <planetmaker> it's totally unrelated projects and ap+ is not maintained really
13:39:56  <bmarky> !wiki
13:39:56  <PublicServer> bmarky: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Main_Page
13:42:59  <bmarky> hello all
13:46:23  <ODM> hi
13:48:05  <bmarky> are there any examples for srnw? (i mean a psg or a pro zone game?)
13:48:18  <planetmaker> yes
13:48:20  <ODM> yes
13:48:24  <planetmaker> :-D
13:48:36  <bmarky> aaaaand which one?
13:48:39  <planetmaker> hello also
13:48:47  <planetmaker> those where the description says so
13:49:02  <planetmaker> just browse through it
13:51:20  <Thraxian|Work> I've got another over-the-top tons-of-signs plan I could drop on y'all
13:51:53  <ODM> nice
13:51:59  <ODM> i kept mine short:P
13:52:02  <Thraxian|Work> do you really want to see it?
13:52:11  <Sylf> bmarky, 180 is trains without orders
13:52:30  <bmarky> thanks
13:52:38  <Sylf> but i can't figure out all the grfs in that game
13:53:09  <Sylf> 172 is srnw
13:53:44  <Sylf> 185 has some srnw
13:54:12  <Sylf> so does 170
13:55:32  <bmarky> omg psg 180
13:56:07  <theholyduck> !password
13:56:07  <PublicServer> theholyduck: hurled
13:57:10  <theholyduck> hmm
13:57:20  <theholyduck> game to irc doesnt work anymore?
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13:58:54  <Sylf> ap+ seems to be whacky in general right now
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13:59:20  <theholyduck> hmm
13:59:24  <theholyduck> i might propose a chaos game
13:59:28  <theholyduck> just for the lulz
13:59:35  * theholyduck actually likes chaos
13:59:58  <Sylf> bmarky, check out 121 too
14:00:02  <theholyduck> sure its madness, but atleast it looks "organic"
14:00:56  <Sylf> and 157
14:02:41  <bmarky> i can't find words for this
14:03:06  <theholyduck> bmarky, what?
14:03:08  <bmarky> (maybe because my english is poor, but its unbelivable)
14:03:09  <theholyduck> srnw?
14:03:12  <bmarky> yep
14:03:12  <theholyduck> madness?
14:03:26  <theholyduck> "oh gawd, my brain just exploded"
14:03:49  <bmarky> it impossible to understand whats going on
14:05:28  <Sylf> srnw is, to me, all about exploitation of eol and other signal logics
14:08:57  <theholyduck> bmarky, well, all openttdcoop gaems look that way when you see the end result
14:09:11  <theholyduck> its much easier to understand when you see it develop
14:09:58  <bmarky> but u know, at a "simple" it olny depends on how many time u spend on understanding things
14:11:16  <bmarky> but at srnws it dont matter how much i read the wiki how or much i watching how the things works, i just can't understand
14:11:59  <theholyduck> bmarky, well as i said, its a lot easier if you see it being built from scratch
14:12:07  <planetmaker> u no, 1337 speak sucks ;-) bmarky
14:12:09  <theholyduck> but yeah, srnw is weird
14:12:39  * planetmaker walks away whistling slowly under the breath
14:13:03  <Sylf> :p
14:13:03  <bmarky> i just gotta rest a bit or something
14:13:12  <bmarky> it was lot for now...
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14:32:55  <ODM> heh
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14:39:30  <Thraxian|Work> test
14:39:39  <ODM> yeah text goes one way
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15:26:29  <Mazur> Server advocates wrong version at: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/3979/finger/openttd
15:27:54  <planetmaker> right. Thanks
15:27:57  <planetmaker> !rcon save
15:27:57  <PublicServer> planetmaker: - Save the current game. Usage: 'save <filename>'
15:28:04  <planetmaker> !save
15:28:04  <PublicServer> Saving game...
15:28:09  <planetmaker> !rcon save continue
15:28:09  <PublicServer> planetmaker: Saving map...
15:28:10  <PublicServer> planetmaker: Map successfully saved to continue.sav
15:28:44  <PublicServer> Server closed down by admin
15:28:44  <PublicServer> Saving game...
15:28:49  <PublicServer> Server has exited
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15:29:57  <PublicServer> Autopilot engaged
15:29:57  <PublicServer> Loading default savegame
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15:29:57  *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG #196 (r21038) | STAGE: Planning | www.openttdcoop.org | New players, use @quickstart and !help | Screenshots: http://img.openttdcoop.org | Proper English Only!"
15:30:06  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00016377: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/00016377.png
15:30:06  <planetmaker> better, Mazur
15:30:08  <planetmaker> ?
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15:32:13  <Mazur> Si.
15:33:17  <Mazur> Graias, Seor.
15:33:39  <planetmaker> De rien. My Spanish sucks, though ;-)
15:33:54  <Mazur> Mine is non-existent.
15:34:00  <Mazur> :-D
15:34:04  <planetmaker> :-)
15:36:03  <Mazur> Weird thing, though, coop now keep starting in Hebrew with me, and I never confiured that.
15:37:13  <Mazur> Fixed.
15:37:23  <Mazur> Started once simply as openttd.
15:37:36  <Mazur> After removing hebrew.lng from my config.
15:37:59  <planetmaker> he?
15:38:09  <planetmaker> start openttd normally, change language. exit
15:38:38  <planetmaker> it remembers usually the language used when (normally) shutting down openttd last time
15:38:47  <planetmaker> i.e. when the cfg is saved
15:38:58  <planetmaker> maybe your cfg is write protected?
15:38:59  <Mazur> Yes, usually.
15:39:03  <Mazur> Nope.
15:39:23  <planetmaker> weired
15:39:37  <Mazur> -rw------- 1 root root 9661 2010-10-27 17:36 /home/root/.openttd/openttd.cfg
15:40:11  <planetmaker> looks quite write protected
15:40:16  <Mazur> But I once took the revision from ps.openttdcoop.org/3979/rev
15:40:18  <planetmaker> unless you're stupid and play as root
15:40:38  <Mazur> Not stupid, maybe living on the edge.
15:42:04  <Mazur> I have a fairly secure system, and I'm on it often enough and acute and knowledgable enough to notice trouble.
15:42:44  <Thraxian|Work> <-- trouble (unnoticed)
15:43:04  <Mazur> That's what she said.
15:44:08  <planetmaker> [17:42]	<Mazur>	I have a fairly secure system, and I'm on it often enough and acute and knowledgable enough to notice trouble. <-- knowledgable would imply that you knew that using root for anything not needed for is a big no-no
15:44:50  <planetmaker> a single typo can now screw your system
15:45:15  <planetmaker> rm -rf ./ vs rm -rf /
15:45:33  <Mazur> I know.
15:45:35  <planetmaker> and that has nothing to do with knowing or not knowing
15:46:05  <Mazur> No, but it's a tremendous dolt who does that.
15:46:38  <Mazur> At a former job I once had to kill a running rm -rf .* by a colleague.
15:47:09  <planetmaker> the less understandable your behaviour
15:48:21  <Mazur> Well, in 25 years of Linux, I never screwed up by accidentally entering anything different from what I wanted.
15:48:35  <planetmaker> that's what she said
15:48:44  <Mazur> I pay attention to what I do.
15:49:23  <Thraxian|Work> pm: don't you mean "that's what HE said" ?
15:49:39  <planetmaker> but your system is NOT secure, if you e.g. run IRC or web browser or alike as root
15:49:44  <planetmaker> Thraxian|Work: nope ;-)
15:49:50  <Sylf> Accidents are never made intentionally
15:50:03  <planetmaker> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=that%27s%20what%20she%20said <-- Thraxian|Work
15:50:04  <Webster> Title: Urban Dictionary: that's what she said (at www.urbandictionary.com)
15:50:51  <Thraxian|Work> I know what "that's what she said" means.  But Mazur's statement involving "entering" something seems like more of what HE would do.  SHE would be the one entered :)
15:51:18  <ODM> you mightve taken this to far
15:53:09  <planetmaker> outch ;-)
15:54:50  <ODM> hehe
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15:55:09  <bmarky> !password
15:55:09  <PublicServer> bmarky: booted
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15:57:13  <Ryton> !info
15:57:13  <PublicServer> Ryton: #:1(Orange) Company Name: 'Sutston Transport'  Year Founded: 1950  Money: 33035679  Loan: 0  Value: 33528971  (T:2, R:0, P:7, S:0) unprotected
15:57:25  <Ryton> oh, a new game!
15:57:38  <planetmaker> uh?
15:57:43  <planetmaker> that should not have been :S
15:58:03  <planetmaker> !rcon load continue
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15:58:44  <Thraxian|Work> heh - the server went down, so I got booted.  and the password?  booted.
15:58:51  <ODM> irony.
15:58:53  <SmatZ> :D
15:59:18  <planetmaker> :-P
15:59:30  <PublicServer> Saving game...
15:59:43  <SmatZ> !password
15:59:43  <PublicServer> SmatZ: booted
15:59:45  <SmatZ> hmm
15:59:52  <SmatZ> too bad it isn't "irony"
15:59:58  <SmatZ> bu that would be too short :(
16:00:40  <ODM> goulash is too long aswell
16:02:11  <Sylf> ironic
16:02:19  <Sylf> perfect :p
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16:04:37  <dlr365> !password
16:04:38  <PublicServer> dlr365: booted
16:08:39  <ODM> guessing still doesnt rotate:P
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16:15:51  <Sylf> screenshot works though
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16:16:17  <Sylf> yay to that
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17:34:30  <Ryton> at planetmaker: I ment a relative new game
17:34:39  <Ryton> only the moneymakers & 2 trains running
17:34:52  <planetmaker> hm, right
17:36:52  <Ryton> havent visited the game nor this chat for a couple of weeks
17:37:07  <Ryton> so thats why I was suprised :-)
17:37:15  <Ryton> & happy :p
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17:37:52  <bmarky> !password
17:37:52  <PublicServer> bmarky: booted
17:38:50  <bmarky> hell/good evening
17:41:38  <Thraxian|Work> howdy
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18:10:45  <XeryusTC> !password
18:10:45  <PublicServer> XeryusTC: booted
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18:32:22  <V453000> !password
18:32:23  <PublicServer> V453000: booted
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18:45:36  <V453000> WTF O_O screens work
18:47:01  <avdg> suprise suprise
18:48:26  <ODM> password doesnt:P
18:48:39  <planetmaker> !rcon players
18:48:39  <PublicServer> planetmaker: #:1(Orange) Company Name: 'Sutston Transport'  Year Founded: 1950  Money: 35196081  Loan: 0  Value: 35585663  (T:2, R:0, P:7, S:0) unprotected
18:48:47  <planetmaker> !rcon playercount
18:48:47  <PublicServer> planetmaker: ERROR: command not found
18:48:52  <planetmaker> !playercount
18:48:52  <PublicServer> planetmaker: Number of players: 0 (0 spectators)
18:49:06  <planetmaker> ODM: it doesn't progress, if no-one playes. Why should it?
18:50:40  <ODM> because people hav eplayed after that password was there:P
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18:51:14  <vince> !password
18:51:14  <PublicServer> vince: booted
18:51:34  <ODM> if theres 4 plans, maybe start the votes?
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18:51:48  <XeryusTC> possibly
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18:58:36  <uliko> !password
18:58:36  <PublicServer> uliko: booted
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19:11:01  <XeryusTC> @stage Planing & voting
19:11:01  *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG #196 (r21038) | STAGE: Planing & voting | www.openttdcoop.org | New players, use @quickstart and !help | Screenshots: http://img.openttdcoop.org | Proper English Only!"
19:15:07  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00016F1C: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/00016F1C.png
19:27:42  <Thraxian|Work> ODM: why is the ring 64 tiles from the edge?  that seems REALLY close
19:28:21  <ODM> well i wanted to do 80, but that isnt a power of 2
19:28:33  <avdg> 128
19:28:38  <Thraxian|Work> 128 would be better, I agree
19:28:50  <ODM> hmm doesnt that make it a bit cramped in between?
19:29:03  <Thraxian|Work> the map is 510 on a side, so you're looking at 64 - ring - 382 - ring - 64
19:29:05  <avdg> just define it as innerboarder
19:29:15  <ODM> hmm
19:29:25  <Thraxian|Work> 128 - ring - 254 - ring -128 seems a bit more balanced, IMO
19:29:39  <Thraxian|Work> why a power of 2 anyways?
19:29:48  <avdg> nice numbers :p
19:29:50  <ODM> dunno:P
19:29:51  <ODM> just me
19:29:53  <Thraxian|Work> 100 is a nice number too
19:29:57  <ODM> make it 100^^
19:30:04  <Thraxian|Work> 100 - ring - 310 - ring - 100 :)
19:30:05  <avdg> maps are also 2^x
19:30:13  <Thraxian|Work> not this one
19:30:16  <Thraxian|Work> it's 510x510
19:30:26  <avdg> :p
19:30:32  <avdg> 511
19:30:37  <avdg> or not?
19:30:40  <avdg> 0x0?
19:30:57  <Thraxian|Work> actually, the ring is 8 wide, so make it 100-ring-294-ring-100
19:31:10  <Thraxian|Work> nope - 1x1
19:31:22  <ODM> they stole our tiles!
19:31:35  <Thraxian|Work> indeed...we should get our purchase price prorated
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19:37:18  <bmarky> !password
19:37:18  <PublicServer> bmarky: widows
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20:55:37  <XeryusTC> !players
20:55:40  <PublicServer> XeryusTC: Client 33 is Intexon, a spectator
20:55:40  <PublicServer> XeryusTC: Client 37 is vince valk, a spectator
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20:59:09  <theholyduck> !password
20:59:10  <PublicServer> theholyduck: fizzed
20:59:11  <dlr365> !password
20:59:12  <PublicServer> dlr365: fizzed
20:59:38  <planetmaker> vince valk, please join this IRC channel
21:00:04  <planetmaker> joining, getting PW and leaving is just not on
21:00:16  <theholyduck> err
21:00:22  <theholyduck> i didnt well know chaos was banned :P
21:00:25  <theholyduck> its not THAT long ago i played it :P
21:00:32  <planetmaker> !rcon clients
21:00:32  <PublicServer> planetmaker: Client #1  name: 'PublicServer'  company: 255  IP: 0.0.0.0
21:00:32  <PublicServer> planetmaker: Client #44  name: 'dlr365'  company: 1  IP: 136.159.70.10
21:00:32  <PublicServer> planetmaker: Client #48  name: 'theholyduckfizzed'  company: 1  IP: 82.147.59.59
21:00:32  <PublicServer> planetmaker: Client #33  name: 'Intexon'  company: 255  IP: 88.103.80.69
21:00:32  <PublicServer> planetmaker: Client #37  name: 'vince valk'  company: 255  IP: 83.85.214.138
21:00:39  <theholyduck> its still in the gametype list, etc
21:00:50  <XeryusTC> theholyduck: officially it is banned :P
21:01:01  <planetmaker> !rcon kick 37
21:01:01  <PublicServer> planetmaker: ‎*** vince valk has left the game (kicked by server)
21:01:01  <PublicServer> planetmaker: ‎*** vince valk has left the game (connection lost)
21:01:13  <planetmaker> bad luck ;-)
21:01:19  <XeryusTC> but we have the occasional chaos game
21:01:33  * theholyduck is sad
21:01:36  * theholyduck <3's chaos
21:02:39  <SmatZ> @quickstart
21:02:41  <Webster> Quickstart - #openttdcoop Wiki - http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Quickstart
21:03:27  <XeryusTC> the main reason that it is banned is that usually people take chaos to mean "do whatever the fuck you want"
21:04:06  * theholyduck doesnt
21:04:23  <theholyduck> heck, i think i even specified building orderly and cleanly in my descript
21:04:47  <XeryusTC> yes, but the chaos is more powerful than that :P
21:05:36  <theholyduck> heh
21:06:25  <XeryusTC> but well, i think that it is time for a chaos game too ;)
21:06:36  <XeryusTC> it's just that your plan only says chaos and nothing else
21:06:44  <theholyduck> hmm, it does?
21:06:47  <XeryusTC> you should possibly add a basic main station layout ;)
21:06:53  <theholyduck> ah
21:07:33  <theholyduck> well i probably should have clarified what cargoes
21:07:33  <theholyduck> etc
21:07:40  <theholyduck> and basic main facs
21:08:14  * theholyduck is off
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21:14:39  <vin_> !password
21:14:39  <PublicServer> vin_: ridges
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21:15:41  <XeryusTC> !players
21:15:43  <PublicServer> XeryusTC: Client 33 is Intexon, a spectator
21:15:46  <planetmaker> ...
21:16:00  <SmatZ> :D
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21:16:02  <planetmaker> !rcon clients
21:16:02  <PublicServer> planetmaker: Client #1  name: 'PublicServer'  company: 255  IP: 0.0.0.0
21:16:02  <PublicServer> planetmaker: Client #33  name: 'Intexon'  company: 255  IP: 88.103.80.69
21:16:06  <mib_hvkps8> !password
21:16:06  <PublicServer> mib_hvkps8: Please, read the rules!
21:16:20  <SmatZ> haahahahaaahah
21:16:29  <XeryusTC> heh :D
21:16:50  <mib_hvkps8> !password
21:16:50  <PublicServer> mib_hvkps8: Please, read the rules!
21:16:54  <mib_hvkps8> !password
21:16:54  <PublicServer> mib_hvkps8: Please, read the rules!
21:16:57  <SmatZ> !rules
21:16:57  <PublicServer> SmatZ: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Ruleset
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21:17:00  <SmatZ> @quickstart
21:17:02  <Webster> Quickstart - #openttdcoop Wiki - http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Quickstart
21:17:04  <SmatZ> stupid
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21:17:16  <vvvvvv> !password
21:17:16  <PublicServer> vvvvvv: crispy
21:17:21  *** SmatZ sets mode: +b *!*5355d68a*@*
21:17:25  *** SmatZ sets mode: +b *!*@*5355d68a*
21:17:31  <SmatZ> f*** him
21:17:37  <planetmaker> vvvvvv: please stay in channel...
21:17:39  <planetmaker> :-D
21:17:40  <XeryusTC> vvvvvv: get a proper nickname
21:17:58  <SmatZ> now... I was slow!
21:18:14  <planetmaker> +b != +kick ;-)
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21:18:45  <SmatZ> now you cal talk again, vvvvvvvvvvv
21:19:02  <SmatZ> what the hell is that a nick, vvvvvv?
21:19:09  <planetmaker> but read the rules
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21:19:18  <XeryusTC> vvvvvv: basicly, we need you to be in the channel so we can communicate to you when you play here
21:19:23  <SmatZ> read the topic
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21:23:06  <planetmaker> !rcon clients
21:23:06  <PublicServer> planetmaker: Client #1  name: 'PublicServer'  company: 255  IP: 0.0.0.0
21:23:07  <PublicServer> planetmaker: Client #57  name: 'vince valk'  company: 255  IP: 83.85.214.138
21:23:07  <PublicServer> planetmaker: Client #33  name: 'Intexon'  company: 255  IP: 88.103.80.69
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21:23:57  <planetmaker> ...
21:23:58  <XeryusTC> gah xD
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21:24:17  <planetmaker> wth is this going to be, Vince ?
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21:24:36  <XeryusTC> seems like he is dutch xD
21:26:03  <XeryusTC> vince: could you stay connected?
21:27:15  <SmatZ> vincevalk: please, behave as a human
21:29:32  <^Spike^> before triggerfingers get used
21:29:40  <^Spike^> that usually leads to bad side effects
21:32:50  <G> !password
21:32:50  <PublicServer> G: crispy
21:35:36  <G> anyone here that can connect in so I can vote?
21:36:33  <^Spike^> you can vote without us
21:36:38  <^Spike^> you can place signs in paused mode
21:36:41  <XeryusTC> you can place signs in pause mode
21:36:53  <G> You can? HMMM never knew that
21:37:15  <XeryusTC> i think you can even buy trains while in paused mode
21:37:22  <^Spike^> XeryusTC seems to repeat what i say
21:37:25  <G> hmmmm okay
21:37:25  <^Spike^> :)
21:37:29  <G> thanks
21:37:30  <G> voted :)
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21:37:53  <G> "That was easy
21:38:34  <XeryusTC> so they say
21:39:55  <G> XeryusTC: you are right I can...
21:40:10  <XeryusTC> ofcourse i'm right, i'm awesome :D
21:40:23  <^Spike^> ffs... why did i help... :)
21:40:39  <G> ^Spike^: the first thanks was to you
21:40:51  <G> I was refering to the "you can even buy trains in paused"
21:41:01  <^Spike^> i'm just kidding..
21:43:21  <XeryusTC> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=910460#p910460
21:43:22  <XeryusTC> wtf
21:43:23  <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums • View topic - Patch for street running railways (at www.tt-forums.net)
21:44:00  <^Spike^> cool...
21:44:15  <^Spike^> just think it's hard to just have them on 1 side of the road
21:44:21  <^Spike^> unless you make the road one-way :)
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21:45:34  <G> btw, just going to say it, but nutracks is a neat GRF
21:45:53  <G> Although there does seem to be a build problem w/ the last two nightlies
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