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Log for #openttdcoop on 22nd November 2010:
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00:59:23  <Amadeo> hi
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01:04:40  <Amadeo> @quickstart
01:04:41  <Webster> Quickstart - #openttdcoop Wiki - http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Quickstart
01:04:48  <Amadeo> !help
01:04:48  <PublicServer> Amadeo: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/IRC_Commands
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03:26:38  <Absolutis> !password
03:26:39  <PublicServer> Absolutis: droops
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10:39:51  <Mazur> Ladida.
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11:02:24  <Mazur> Hm.  I just build me one of the oogliest SLHs ever.
11:02:28  <Mazur> :-)
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11:41:12  <Ammler> OFTC is the worst network with such spam
11:41:21  <Ammler> I never see such things in Freenode
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13:24:50  <Absolutis> !screen¨
13:24:57  <Absolutis> !xcreen
13:25:01  <Absolutis> !screen
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14:01:41  <Absolutis> !players
14:01:44  <PublicServer> Absolutis: There are currently no clients connected to the server
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14:41:12  <mrruben5> !password
14:41:12  <PublicServer> mrruben5: mussed
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14:50:17  <V453000> el
14:50:18  <V453000> o
14:51:35  <Mazur> haI
14:51:44  <V453000> hyl
14:52:35  <Mazur> hai
14:52:59  <Mazur> Gotta buy coffee, back later.
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15:08:15  <Absolutis> !players
15:08:18  <PublicServer> Absolutis: Client 256 (Orange) is mrruben5, in company 1 (PSG198: Tropicinal)
15:18:10  <Absolutis> !password
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16:52:11  <V453000> !password
16:52:11  <PublicServer> V453000: cranes
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17:05:39  <mrruben5> Lol suarez got suspended for 2 games ;)
17:07:32  <XeryusTC> which suarez? what game/sport?
17:07:44  <mrruben5> soccer
17:07:52  <XeryusTC> oh, /care
17:07:57  <mrruben5> mr rabbit from ajax :P
17:08:15  <mrruben5> he bit a player from psv in the shoulder
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17:18:53  <theholyduck> !password
17:18:53  <PublicServer> theholyduck: malice
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17:19:29  <PublicServer> * theholyduck looks aroudn
17:20:03  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> i think one can safely designate v a winner
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17:32:13  <Absolutis> !players
17:32:16  <PublicServer> Absolutis: Client 256 (Orange) is mrruben5, in company 1 (PSG198: Tropicinal)
17:32:16  <PublicServer> Absolutis: Client 260 (Orange) is V453000, in company 1 (PSG198: Tropicinal)
17:32:16  <PublicServer> Absolutis: Client 262 (Orange) is theholyduck, in company 1 (PSG198: Tropicinal)
17:33:16  <Absolutis> !password
17:33:16  <PublicServer> Absolutis: cupped
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17:34:42  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> you should start the building phase already, theres a clear difference in plan popularity
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17:38:24  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> you there?
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17:51:21  <theholyduck> V453000,
17:51:23  <theholyduck> you there?
17:51:56  <V453000> y
17:52:00  <V453000> hi
17:52:19  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> you should start the building phase already
17:52:34  <PublicServer> <V453000> thanks for telling me
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17:53:20  <V453000> will come later
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18:24:37  <V453000> any building declarer around? :)
18:24:47  <V453000> pm? :)
18:25:08  <planetmaker> hm?
18:25:28  <V453000> care to declare a winner of voting please? :)
18:25:39  <planetmaker> "herewith I declare V the winner and allow him to start your awesome plan"? ;-)
18:25:58  <V453000> kind of that, yes :)
18:26:15  <V453000> I can do it myself ... some people talk shit about that sometimes
18:26:18  <V453000> not like it matters
18:26:32  <planetmaker> ok: herewith I declare V the winner and allow to start building :-)
18:26:50  <PublicServer> <V453000> :D ok thanks
18:27:13  <V453000> @stage Building
18:27:14  *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG198 (r21226) | STAGE: Building | www.openttdcoop.org | New players, use @quickstart and !help | Screenshots: http://img.openttdcoop.org | English only"
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18:27:51  <V453000> !tweet Care to unleash some brain damaging madness? PSG 198 Building stage starts NOW!
18:27:52  <PublicServer> V453000: Tweet sent: http://twitter.com/openttdcoop
18:28:11  <planetmaker> :-)
18:28:38  <hylje> madness into reality
18:28:40  <mrruben5> !password
18:28:40  <PublicServer> mrruben5: sobers
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18:29:12  <PublicServer> <V453000> hi
18:29:28  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> hi :)
18:30:14  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> afk
18:30:24  <planetmaker> !players
18:30:26  <PublicServer> planetmaker: Client 268 (Orange) is mrruben5, in company 1 (PSG198: Tropicinal)
18:30:26  <PublicServer> planetmaker: Client 260 (Orange) is V453000, in company 1 (PSG198: Tropicinal)
18:30:26  <PublicServer> planetmaker: Client 262 (Orange) is theholyduck, in company 1 (PSG198: Tropicinal)
18:30:40  <planetmaker> mrruben5: move to spectator, when you're afk
18:30:43  <planetmaker> Read our rules
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18:37:18  <PublicServer> <V453000> ok
18:37:24  <PublicServer> <V453000> there go the territories
18:37:30  <PublicServer> <V453000> now to make tracks :)
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18:39:25  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> so, the lines are dividers?
18:39:29  <PublicServer> <V453000> quite
18:39:39  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> so, build a circle inside each?
18:39:46  <PublicServer> <V453000> outside
18:39:52  <PublicServer> <V453000> the circles should almost touch
18:40:06  <PublicServer> <V453000> see how I did 09
18:40:06  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> well, if you build the circles just inside the lines on both sides
18:40:07  <hylje> circles don't touch
18:40:10  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> they almost toch
18:42:14  <PublicServer> <V453000> yes, just like that :)
18:45:30  <TheRisen> !password
18:45:30  <PublicServer> TheRisen: aghast
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18:45:49  <PublicServer> <TheRisen> hi there
18:45:53  <PublicServer> <V453000> hi
18:45:59  <PublicServer> <V453000> duck: wait
18:46:01  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> ok
18:46:08  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> is my circle too square?
18:46:12  <PublicServer> <V453000> we have 6 instead of 5
18:46:14  <PublicServer> <V453000> D:
18:46:53  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> that we do
18:47:27  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> new lines eh?
18:47:31  <PublicServer> <V453000> yes, sorry
18:47:37  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> its ok :P
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18:50:27  <PublicServer> <V453000> do I have 4 now? :D
18:50:51  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> well, you still have some of my junk lines
18:51:09  <PublicServer> <V453000> lets remove them
18:51:13  <PublicServer> <V453000> just for system
18:52:23  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> there, they are gone
18:52:24  <PublicServer> <V453000> ok I see it now
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18:52:53  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> is the west part of the circle i'm building in the wrong place?
18:52:55  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> or?
18:53:09  <PublicServer> <V453000> yes, that too
18:53:22  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> so, i misunderstood and made my circle too large?
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18:53:38  <PublicServer> <V453000> no, I fucked up
18:53:40  <PublicServer> <V453000> did it too fast :p
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18:54:14  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> well, i have to go eat
18:54:20  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> be back in 30 mins
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18:54:22  <PublicServer> <V453000> I will solve it by that time :p
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18:54:47  <JohnM> !help
18:54:47  <PublicServer> JohnM: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/IRC_Commands
18:55:45  <JohnM> @quickstart
18:55:54  <Webster> Quickstart - #openttdcoop Wiki - http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Quickstart
18:56:57  <TheRisen> !cl 4
18:57:25  <JohnM> Hello, Is there anyone here that know their way around with train signals and that could give me some pointers? :)
18:57:32  <V453000> hi
18:57:38  <TheRisen> hi
18:57:42  <V453000> what kind of signalling do you mean
18:57:48  <TheRisen> i guess all of us can :)
18:57:53  <JohnM> have made a post at: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=51354
18:57:55  <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums • View topic - Train signals make no sense (at www.tt-forums.net)
18:58:36  <JohnM> I'm really trying to learn how to use the signals, not just only the block-signals.. :P Not always going as planed
18:59:14  <TheRisen> V. you build i explain, ok?
18:59:25  <TheRisen> !curve
18:59:26  <PublicServer> TheRisen: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Max_Curve_Speed
18:59:35  <V453000> well, you might be searching for our wiki, for wiki.openttd.org, search through our game archives (which might not bring any explanations), or join our stable server where constructions are quite simple and easy to understand
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19:04:17  <V453000> TheRisen: feel free to, of course :)
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19:14:13  <TheRisen> !signals
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19:29:19  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> so, got the dividers set up propperly now+
19:29:30  <PublicServer> <V453000> yes, it should be
19:29:50  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> i have to go to the store in 5 mins
19:29:57  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> but i'll be back to PLAY in about 30
19:30:01  <PublicServer> <V453000> :)
19:30:02  <XeryusTC> good riddance!
19:30:05  <XeryusTC> :P
19:30:09  <PublicServer> <V453000> :p
19:30:28  <XeryusTC> also, arr ye lassies
19:30:34  <PublicServer> <V453000> yarr babe
19:30:38  <hylje> ladies
19:30:39  <XeryusTC> !password
19:30:40  <PublicServer> XeryusTC: abides
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19:31:04  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> oh, V's plan again?
19:31:14  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> i think its because his plans are always different
19:31:16  <PublicServer> <V453000> weems like it
19:31:22  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> maybe we should have the password be just 6 random chars :P
19:31:34  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> maybe he is the only one that makes a decent plan
19:31:41  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> thats another option
19:31:47  <PublicServer> <V453000> sylf and glevans made a nice one actually
19:32:05  <PublicServer> <V453000> I helped them give it the true power, but the main idea was nice
19:32:18  <PublicServer> <V453000> I believe we will se that sometime later
19:32:18  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> what was their plan again?
19:32:28  <PublicServer> * theholyduck goes away again
19:32:34  <PublicServer> <V453000> the main point was having 2 TLs which dont collide with each other
19:32:36  <PublicServer> <V453000> but on 1 network
19:32:50  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> hmm
19:32:58  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> that is a quite nice idea
19:33:12  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> but might have impact on prios and the shorter trains having to wait while they can enter
19:33:18  <PublicServer> <V453000> I dont know if they meant it like that from the start, but I made them mean :D
19:33:24  <PublicServer> <V453000> nono it wouldnt
19:33:28  <PublicServer> <V453000> I will make a scheme
19:33:55  <PublicServer> <V453000> see !scheme
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19:35:01  <PublicServer> <V453000> so that the TL6 trains just somehow block the ML, but they never stop on it
19:35:07  <PublicServer> <V453000> never merge and etc
19:35:17  <PublicServer> <V453000> so that they have no impact on the network
19:35:23  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> hmm
19:35:25  <PublicServer> <V453000> in terms of 2 different prios, etc
19:35:31  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> i see :o
19:35:47  <PublicServer> <V453000> they made it a bit messy with the TL6 more flexible, but this works
19:35:50  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> could be quite nice
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19:36:21  <PublicServer> <V453000> it should work nicely
19:36:57  <PublicServer> <V453000> btw I wonder if you mean that vote of yours seriously :D
19:38:31  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> somewhat, yes
19:38:39  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> i just didnt want to vote for you :P
19:38:41  <PublicServer> <V453000> :D ok
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19:38:57  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> and that was the best  alternative
19:39:05  <PublicServer> <V453000> not rly
19:39:11  <PublicServer> <V453000> his plan was braindead from the beginning to the end
19:39:37  <XeryusTC> i dont really remember it
19:39:42  <PublicServer> <V453000> he even had coal in it ...
19:39:59  <XeryusTC> oh, that's quite bad
19:40:03  <PublicServer> <V453000> TL7, hubs very frequently, especially on the shorter side of map
19:40:14  <PublicServer> <V453000> main station placement made no sense
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19:42:38  <XeryusTC> hmm, we should limit the amount of same type industries per station to like two or three
19:42:53  <PublicServer> <V453000> ?
19:42:56  <XeryusTC> one station serving 7 oil rigs starts to be boring and annoying
19:43:02  <PublicServer> <V453000> hehe
19:43:08  <PublicServer> <V453000> one of the points why I hate oil rigs
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19:43:41  <XeryusTC> we should have an industry newgrf that limits the amount of oil rigs in the same place
19:43:56  <XeryusTC> or disable the option to have more of the same type of industry in one town
19:44:03  <PublicServer> <V453000> he
19:44:10  <TheRisen> /WHOIS JohnM
19:44:19  <TheRisen> -.-
19:44:29  <XeryusTC> or the industries close to each other option
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20:10:42  <PublicServer> <TheRisen> cl 4 is ok for tl5 right?
20:10:46  <PublicServer> <V453000> wtf dude
20:11:01  <V453000> 5 of course
20:11:07  <PublicServer> <TheRisen> k 5 then
20:11:09  <V453000> @clcalc maglev 483
20:11:09  <Webster> V453000: Required CL for maglev at 483km/h is 7 (13 half tiles) or TL
20:13:28  <PublicServer> <V453000> balance traffic btw
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20:16:01  <TheRisen> @gap 5
20:16:01  <Webster> TheRisen: For Trainlength of 5: <= 11 needs 2, 12 - 18 needs 3, 19 - 25 needs 4.
20:20:10  <DayDreamer> !password
20:20:10  <PublicServer> DayDreamer: pranks
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20:20:38  <PublicServer> <V453000> hy
20:21:00  <PublicServer> <DayDreamer> hi :P
20:22:56  <PublicServer> <DayDreamer> could i build sector 03?
20:23:03  <PublicServer> <V453000> the ring?
20:23:09  <PublicServer> <DayDreamer> y
20:23:11  <PublicServer> <V453000> well, why not
20:23:18  <PublicServer> <V453000> I already did some :p
20:23:27  <PublicServer> <DayDreamer> oh sombody started it :P
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20:23:50  <malta> evening :)
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20:23:55  <PublicServer> <V453000> hi
20:24:10  <malta> man, busy few days lately, did i miss much? :)
20:24:21  <PublicServer> <V453000> we just started building
20:24:36  <malta> that's what i call timing :)
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20:26:42  <PublicServer> <V453000> right, rings done
20:26:44  <PublicServer> <V453000> now the hubs
20:26:51  <malta> lovely plan :)
20:26:55  <PublicServer> <V453000> :)
20:27:23  <hylje> are the rings touching
20:27:30  <PublicServer> <V453000> yes
20:27:34  <PublicServer> <V453000> :P
20:27:57  <^Spike^> ...
20:28:15  <hylje> noooo
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20:29:46  <PublicServer> <V453000> hi
20:32:00  <PublicServer> <malta> what prio length should we go for? or are the hubs unbalanced?
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20:32:20  <PublicServer> <V453000> dunno
20:32:25  <PublicServer> <V453000> 10-14
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20:32:30  <PublicServer> <V453000> about
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20:32:45  <TheRisen> !password
20:32:45  <PublicServer> TheRisen: toeing
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20:33:05  <PublicServer> <malta> okies
20:35:11  <PublicServer> <V453000> ok, all BBHs should be signed now
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20:36:35  <TheRisen> argh
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20:37:56  <DayDreamer> @bbh
20:37:56  <Webster> bbh: Back Bone Hub, see also: http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Backbone_Hub
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20:40:02  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> yo
20:40:06  <PublicServer> <V453000> hyo
20:40:10  <PublicServer> <TheRisen> heya
20:40:10  <PublicServer> <malta> hi
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20:40:26  <PublicServer> * theholyduck claims a bbh and starts building
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20:40:40  <TheRisen> AAARRRRGH
20:40:45  <TheRisen> wtf is wrong?
20:40:50  <V453000> its very argh
20:41:21  <TheRisen> !password
20:41:21  <PublicServer> TheRisen: replay
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20:43:32  <^Spike^> ehm
20:43:39  <^Spike^> hmmm
20:43:46  <^Spike^> unusual disconnects
20:43:58  <^Spike^> i'm not even doing anything.. :)
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20:50:18  <TheRisen> !dl win32
20:50:18  <PublicServer> TheRisen: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r21226/openttd-trunk-r21226-windows-win32.zip
20:51:20  <TheRisen> !grf
20:51:21  <PublicServer> TheRisen: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/GRF (Version 8.0)
20:51:31  <JohnM> !dl win32
20:51:31  <PublicServer> JohnM: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r21226/openttd-trunk-r21226-windows-win32.zip
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20:56:27  <maltaman> nice, my router crashed..
20:56:42  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> i reallly like the way the bbhs work in this game
20:56:46  <PublicServer> <TheRisen> hard- or software?
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20:56:52  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> they're easy to construct, and looks cool
20:56:55  <maltaman>  <PublicServer> potter <--- really? commercials for movies nowadays? :P
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21:04:40  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> anyone want to take a look at  bbh 3-5
21:04:46  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> and see if they find any mistakes?
21:04:58  <PublicServer> <V453000> that looparound is funny
21:05:10  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> well, i could probablly find some smoother solution
21:05:20  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> actually, i allready found one
21:05:22  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> and so did you :P
21:05:29  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> it was the first part of my junction
21:06:50  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> well yeah, i didnt add the presignals for the mergers yet
21:06:53  <PublicServer> <V453000> these mergers make no sense to me tbh
21:07:08  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> well, i was sort of making them up as i went along
21:07:18  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> trying out something "new"
21:07:24  <PublicServer> <V453000> lol
21:07:32  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> as in, trying to use minimal space for them
21:07:38  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> though, they ended up quite huge
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21:13:30  <Ryton> !password
21:13:30  <PublicServer> Ryton: rapist
21:13:43  <Ryton> pff :pp
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21:13:57  <PublicServer> <V453000> hi
21:14:06  <Ryton> PublicServer, stop accusing me :p
21:14:17  <Ryton> hi
21:14:21  <PublicServer> <malta> hi
21:14:40  <PublicServer> <Ryton> who made the pw shortlist for this server? :pp
21:14:52  <PublicServer> <Ryton> congrats V, for winning the vote
21:14:52  <PublicServer> <V453000> dictionary afaik
21:14:52  <malta> haha
21:14:57  <PublicServer> <V453000> thanks :)
21:14:59  <PublicServer> <Ryton> looks complicated!
21:15:30  <PublicServer> <V453000> the plan is complicated, its building is actually simple
21:15:38  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> well yeah
21:15:48  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> the bbh's are relativly simple
21:15:54  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> though, apparently, mine is still weird
21:15:56  <PublicServer> <V453000> you cant have simplier ....
21:16:32  <PublicServer> * theholyduck hopes his bbh wont fail spectacularly
21:16:38  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> because then i'll have to run to switzerland and hide
21:16:45  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> to hide my shame
21:16:53  <PublicServer> <V453000> there is Ammler, I wouldnt run there
21:17:33  <PublicServer> <Ryton> is there a bbh example like before somewhere on the map
21:17:35  <PublicServer> <Ryton> ?
21:17:46  <PublicServer> <malta> 5-7 looks snazzy :)
21:18:02  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> malta, v says its makes no sense
21:18:03  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> or something
21:18:09  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> oh wait
21:18:11  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> thats his
21:18:17  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> mine is like 7-5 or something
21:18:17  <PublicServer> <V453000> xD
21:18:23  <PublicServer> <V453000> 3-5
21:18:47  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> should we really have prios on the bbh?
21:18:59  <PublicServer> <V453000> prio != track choosing
21:19:37  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> i guses
21:20:33  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> if i made mine differently, or with terraforming, i'd have some space for some half decent "prio"
21:20:47  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> ther way mine is built currently, i only get the signal block level :P
21:20:53  <PublicServer> * theholyduck dies on the inside
21:21:25  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> well, its better than nothing
21:21:57  <PublicServer> <TheRisen> take a look at the fancy stuff i am building
21:22:07  <PublicServer> <Ryton> 1-4 is with terraforming sa
21:22:09  <PublicServer> <TheRisen> and stop whining :)
21:22:11  <PublicServer> <Ryton> small isles*?
21:22:21  <PublicServer> <V453000> quite
21:22:32  <PublicServer> <V453000> just bridge over
21:22:32  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> i enjoy whining!
21:22:40  <PublicServer> <Ryton> so many long bridges?
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21:23:18  <PublicServer> <Ryton> x4
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21:23:24  <PublicServer> <V453000> ...
21:23:26  <PublicServer> <V453000> make shorter
21:23:42  <PublicServer> <Ryton> so  terraform some smaller isles in the middle?
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21:24:01  <PublicServer> <V453000> ofc
21:24:03  <PublicServer> <Ryton> (I'll just look at the result later on ;-))
21:24:39  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> tl is 5 though
21:24:48  <PublicServer> <Ryton> oh sorry :-)
21:24:52  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> should still be 2
21:24:58  <PublicServer> <TheRisen> hehe
21:25:19  <PublicServer> <Ryton> @tf
21:25:24  <Ryton> @tf
21:25:24  <Webster> tf: Terraform, see also: http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Terraforming
21:25:29  <PublicServer> <TheRisen> what priolenght is needed?
21:25:51  <PublicServer> <TheRisen> about 8-9?
21:25:57  <PublicServer> <V453000> about, at least :)
21:26:07  <Ryton> @sb4j
21:26:07  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> ;( i cant fit that in my junction
21:26:11  <Ryton> should add that :p
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21:28:39  <PublicServer> <V453000> malta: that prio might be too long
21:28:51  <PublicServer> <V453000> just cut the bridges imo
21:29:06  <PublicServer> <malta> East or western bridge?
21:29:12  <PublicServer> <malta> ah
21:29:36  <PublicServer> <malta> i was going for around the 10-14 range ;)
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21:31:06  <PublicServer> <malta> the rest is ok though?
21:31:30  <PublicServer> <malta> too far apart?
21:31:34  <PublicServer> <V453000> line B will have way greater chance of joining
21:31:36  <PublicServer> <malta> ohh
21:31:38  <PublicServer> <malta> oh right
21:31:45  <PublicServer> <malta> i was going to switch them up like on the other side
21:31:55  <PublicServer> <V453000> look
21:32:08  <PublicServer> <V453000> that would be one
21:33:18  <PublicServer> <V453000> see?
21:33:21  <PublicServer> <V453000> its nothing complicated
21:33:23  <PublicServer> <malta> yup
21:33:59  <PublicServer> <V453000> carry on :p
21:34:03  <PublicServer> <malta> >.>
21:34:05  <PublicServer> <malta> :p
21:34:09  <PublicServer> <malta> ta-da!
21:35:08  <PublicServer> <V453000> applying it to the other side will be  much easier
21:35:24  <PublicServer> <malta> but the other side is good
21:36:16  <PublicServer> <malta> it's evenly spread, A joins first/last, B joins first/last
21:36:28  <PublicServer> <V453000> that does not work
21:37:17  <PublicServer> <malta> why wouldn't it?
21:37:46  <PublicServer> <V453000> because they cant choose in some occasions
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21:38:22  <PublicServer> <V453000> also it is a double join which could slow down twice instead of once
21:38:32  <PublicServer> <V453000> but that is a minor thing
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21:39:01  <PublicServer> <malta> i don't understand why they wouldn't be able to chose, but the slowdown i get :)
21:39:29  <PublicServer> <V453000> well, imagine it
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21:39:53  <PublicServer> <V453000> if line A is decently full
21:40:03  <PublicServer> <V453000> and line 1 is full too
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21:40:17  <PublicServer> <V453000> then, trains from 1 will occassionally be able to join A
21:40:19  <PublicServer> <V453000> but
21:40:25  <malta> sorry, my router is really acting up
21:40:27  <PublicServer> <V453000> the B join will be quite bad
21:40:47  <PublicServer> <V453000> while at the same time, trains from 2 joining to B will have no problems, while not joining A at all
21:40:48  <malta> the last message i got was "[22:39] <+PublicServer> <V453000> but that is a minor thing"
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21:42:06  <malta> ooooh
21:42:15  <PublicServer> <V453000> whereas if you do it the way I showed you, it totally does not matter which line is fuller and which isnt
21:42:19  <PublicServer> <V453000> that is the true balancing
21:42:25  <PublicServer> <V453000> your idea isnt bad, I believe it could even work
21:42:47  <PublicServer> <V453000> but you still need some lucky load of trians
21:42:52  <malta> riiight
21:42:53  <PublicServer> <V453000> trains
21:42:55  <malta> i think i get it
21:43:17  <PublicServer> <malta> kaboom time it is :0
21:43:21  <PublicServer> <malta> :)
21:43:25  <PublicServer> <V453000> the point is, even no-balancing stuff can work when you are lucky
21:43:45  <PublicServer> <V453000> but to make it well working anytime, and flexible when traffic suddenly changes (that can happen with minor rebuild or just a jam)
21:43:47  <PublicServer> <malta> true, true
21:43:57  <PublicServer> <V453000> it is needed to balance it independendly on traffic ;)
21:44:11  <PublicServer> <malta> and here i thought i came up with something brilliant :P
21:44:23  <PublicServer> <V453000> it was not bad
21:44:25  <PublicServer> <V453000> the idea was nice
21:45:19  <theholyduck> !password
21:45:19  <PublicServer> theholyduck: devour
21:45:21  <PublicServer> <malta> so like this it'd work?
21:45:32  <PublicServer> <malta> +/- some signals :)
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21:45:49  <PublicServer> <V453000> yes
21:45:51  <PublicServer> <V453000> thats it
21:45:53  <PublicServer> <V453000> basically
21:45:56  <PublicServer> <malta> gotcha
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21:47:44  <PublicServer> <V453000> egen? :D
21:47:54  <PublicServer> <malta> hell yes, practice makes perfect :p
21:47:57  <PublicServer> <V453000> ok :)
21:48:16  <PublicServer> <malta> (also didn't have same for prio :$
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21:51:47  <PublicServer> <malta> done and done :)
21:51:56  <PublicServer> <V453000> :)
21:52:41  <PublicServer> <malta> better even
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22:00:11  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> heya
22:00:13  <PublicServer> <V453000> hy
22:00:15  <PublicServer> <malta> laters :)
22:00:19  <PublicServer> <malta> hiya
22:00:21  <PublicServer> <malta> i mean
22:00:23  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> damn that client surely asked a lot of questions :S
22:00:29  <PublicServer> <malta> man, my brain is on the fritz today...
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22:04:19  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> I feel like building a station :)
22:04:40  <PublicServer> <V453000> hubs first would be best, but if you find a good spot, tell me :p
22:05:08  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> well thinking of building maize since that area has a lot of space anyway
22:05:33  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> terminus preferred I guess?
22:05:46  <PublicServer> <V453000> thats the smallest sector :p
22:05:49  <PublicServer> <V453000> no prefference
22:06:09  <PublicServer> <V453000> but trains from ML  must not prefer going through the station instead of ML :p
22:06:18  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> might be smallest it still has a large area however
22:06:30  <PublicServer> <V453000> for sure
22:06:35  <PublicServer> <V453000> all sectors should be about equal
22:07:40  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> uberlame name for maglev in dutch by the way
22:07:50  <PublicServer> <V453000> what isnt lame in dutch
22:07:56  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> magneetzweeftrein
22:07:56  <PublicServer> <V453000> :P
22:08:12  <PublicServer> <V453000> lol
22:08:15  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> cheese from gouda :) everyone in the world eats it
22:08:23  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> and windmills
22:08:25  <PublicServer> <V453000> thats ... intensively lame :D
22:08:38  <PublicServer> <malta> klompen dude, nothing beats wodden shoes!
22:08:53  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0003ACE3: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0003ACE3.png
22:09:03  <PublicServer> <malta> ba-dum-pshhhhhh
22:09:15  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> plus we have/had gabbers
22:09:43  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> and I believe jumpstyle also originated from the netherlands
22:09:46  <PublicServer> <malta> as long as i can still go to my friendly neighbourhood coffeeshop, nothing will get me out of the netherlands ;)
22:10:09  <PublicServer> <V453000> I suppose you dont go for coffe
22:10:28  <PublicServer> <malta> sometimes i have one of those as well :p
22:10:37  <PublicServer> <V453000> when properly high :D
22:10:45  <PublicServer> <malta> does fuck all to calm you down though :p
22:10:51  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> coffee with the other white powder
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22:11:02  <PublicServer> <malta> tsk-tsk, chemical drugs...
22:11:31  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> no I meant the other white powder
22:11:35  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> milk replacement :)
22:11:40  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> ;)
22:11:54  <PublicServer> <malta> if you would've said creamer i would've been more afraid than coke :p
22:12:10  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> creamer that's the word
22:12:16  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> it was on the tip of my tongue
22:12:24  <PublicServer> <TheRisen> phew
22:12:28  <PublicServer> <TheRisen> finished
22:12:50  <PublicServer> <TheRisen> some take a look at bbh 8-9 pls
22:13:04  <PublicServer> <V453000> malta, enlighten him with what I told you :p
22:13:12  <PublicServer> <V453000> please :p
22:13:20  <PublicServer> <malta> kaboom time!
22:13:37  <PublicServer> <TheRisen> o.O?
22:13:42  <PublicServer> <V453000> xD
22:13:44  <PublicServer> <V453000> ...
22:13:48  <PublicServer> <V453000> no, the other thing
22:14:15  <PublicServer> <malta> trains, bad choice, line A more joins than B, something something :P
22:14:21  <PublicServer> <malta> lemme take a look first :)
22:15:31  <PublicServer> <malta> i'm confusde
22:15:37  <PublicServer> <TheRisen> k, job done
22:16:08  <PublicServer> <TheRisen> what are u confused about?
22:16:11  <PublicServer> <V453000> TheRisen: your tutor just got confused, feel free to beat him
22:16:23  <PublicServer> <V453000> :P
22:16:29  <PublicServer> <malta> well, as the lower join
22:17:05  <PublicServer> <malta> A can't join properly if 1 or 2 are packed
22:17:15  <PublicServer> <TheRisen> oh some prios missing
22:17:39  <PublicServer> <malta> man, i hope i'm prepared better when i have to teach on friday...
22:18:59  <PublicServer> <V453000> beat him :p
22:19:23  <PublicServer> <malta> wasn't it that the same line is being joined twice? and that it's not properly balanced?
22:19:25  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> whaaat
22:19:33  <PublicServer> <malta> as in, it should be as in the northern join?
22:19:35  <PublicServer> <V453000> I will finish this thing and then I will show you
22:19:37  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> im scrolling when I press ctrl + left mouse -.-
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22:21:29  <PublicServer> <V453000> right, this would be gone
22:21:29  <PublicServer> <V453000> done
22:22:48  <PublicServer> <V453000> line A has much lower chance of joining line 1 than line B
22:22:53  <PublicServer> <V453000> see? :)
22:22:56  <PublicServer> <TheRisen> see
22:23:06  <PublicServer> <malta> C?
22:23:15  <PublicServer> <V453000> so, first merge lines A and B at the choice:
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22:23:56  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> whats the minimum cl again for TL5?
22:23:59  <PublicServer> <TheRisen> 5
22:24:19  <mrruben5> !cl
22:24:26  <PublicServer> <TheRisen> k got it
22:24:31  <mrruben5> !tl
22:24:38  <PublicServer> <V453000> :)
22:24:42  <PublicServer> <V453000> apply it :p
22:24:46  <mrruben5> hey, did the irc commands dissapear?
22:24:48  <PublicServer> <V453000> please :)
22:24:55  <V453000> @cl
22:24:55  <Webster> cl: Curve Length, mostly used to describe how big a curve must be to let pass trains with a certain TL at full speed, see also: http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Max_Curve_Speed
22:24:56  <PublicServer> <TheRisen> like if done it in the north
22:25:04  <mrruben5> thanks
22:25:17  <PublicServer> <V453000> then signal it properly :p
22:25:35  <PublicServer> <V453000> and use presignals please
22:25:41  <PublicServer> <V453000> PBS in these places is useless
22:25:47  <PublicServer> <V453000> and obviously confuses you :)
22:25:53  <PublicServer> <TheRisen> where?
22:26:03  <PublicServer> <V453000> at the choice splits
22:26:07  <PublicServer> <V453000> A B
22:26:31  <PublicServer> <TheRisen> I'll bet that it would have worked nicely
22:26:51  <PublicServer> <V453000> no
22:26:55  <PublicServer> <V453000> the signalling was wrong
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22:28:01  <PublicServer> <TheRisen> argh cl cl cl cl and cl
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22:30:29  <PublicServer> <TheRisen> ?
22:30:39  <PublicServer> <V453000> instead of the going around
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22:35:20  <PublicServer> <TheRisen> :(
22:35:32  <PublicServer> <V453000> just simplifications :p
22:36:56  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> hmm, I reckon corn drop isn't going to work, forgot how to to balancing
22:36:59  <PublicServer> <V453000> u see? .)
22:37:19  <PublicServer> <V453000> mrruben5: why is it in the middle btw
22:37:29  <PublicServer> <TheRisen> i see that it is even more complicated
22:37:31  <PublicServer> <TheRisen> but i like it
22:37:33  <PublicServer> <V453000> it might end there anyway, but ...
22:37:51  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> look at the smilie
22:37:53  <PublicServer> <V453000> please build the MSH first
22:38:03  <PublicServer> <V453000> I dont care about where the FPP is
22:38:09  <PublicServer> <V453000> and you neither :p
22:38:52  <PublicServer> <V453000> where do you put the MSH?
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22:39:02  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> well since it's 1 way(2 tracks) I'm confused about the MSH
22:39:16  <PublicServer> <V453000> ...
22:39:52  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> I'm possibly just complicating it too much I guess
22:40:02  <PublicServer> <V453000> start with the MSH
22:40:17  <PublicServer> <malta> there we go, 2-3 is done (it being a shameless rip-off is something we'll ignore yes? :))
22:40:20  <PublicServer> <V453000> then you can connect the station
22:41:31  <PublicServer> <malta> holy hell, almost midnight!
22:41:33  <PublicServer> <V453000> I think "MSH 09" is a better spot
22:41:35  <PublicServer> <malta> i gotta get to be
22:41:37  <PublicServer> <malta> bed
22:41:41  <PublicServer> <TheRisen> y me too
22:41:43  <PublicServer> <malta> work tomorrow at 8 >.>
22:41:46  <PublicServer> <V453000> although it does not really matter where it is between those two
22:41:48  <PublicServer> <TheRisen> gn8 all
22:41:50  <PublicServer> <V453000> cya
22:41:56  <PublicServer> <malta> nighty night :)
22:42:06  <PublicServer> <V453000> mrruben5: either of those 2
22:42:16  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> hmm going with your advice
22:42:18  <PublicServer> <V453000> but name it as I did please
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22:42:54  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> but drop and pickup.. do they sahre the same MSH?
22:43:19  <PublicServer> <V453000> it would be optimal I think
22:43:54  <PublicServer> <V453000> actually, pickup could have its own MSH
22:43:58  <PublicServer> <V453000> at the other half of the ring
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22:44:11  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> thats what I thought as well
22:44:41  <PublicServer> <V453000> just do it at these two halves
22:44:48  <PublicServer> <V453000> no importance where
22:47:10  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> hmm cl
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22:51:36  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> bigwig?
22:51:38  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> lol
22:51:44  <PublicServer> <V453000> epic win
22:52:21  <PublicServer> <V453000> btw terminus would fit into the landscape better
22:52:31  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> aye
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23:04:35  <theholyduck> !password
23:04:35  <PublicServer> theholyduck: tenets
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23:06:09  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> so, v
23:06:28  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> the drop for a circle should be placed far away from any bbh's right?
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23:08:33  <PublicServer> * theholyduck takes the silence as a yes and starts building
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23:14:37  <V453000> gnight
23:14:41  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> gnight
23:14:56  <V453000> duck: yes, to make enough space for expansions, rebuilds and stuff
23:15:12  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> ok
23:18:01  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> yaaayy primary dissapeared just when I wished it would be gone
23:21:56  <PublicServer> <mrruben5>  /me wonders if pickup 09 isn't a corny terminus
23:22:32  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> used it in the past for vanilla rails but not sure if it works ok for maglevs
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23:24:03  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> anyone wanna review my pickup station? (09)
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23:58:06  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> grrr, someone join? :)
23:58:35  <Ammler> !playercount
23:58:35  <PublicServer> Ammler: Number of players: 2 (0 spectators)
23:58:47  <Ammler> mrruben5: you now are able to join?
23:59:09  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> publicserver is counted as a player :)
23:59:26  <mrruben5> !players
23:59:28  <PublicServer> mrruben5: Client 268 (Orange) is mrruben5, in company 1 (PSG198: Tropicinal)
23:59:38  <Ammler> no, but somtimes, it counts wrongly :-)
23:59:39  <Ammler> !playercount
23:59:40  <PublicServer> Ammler: Number of players: 1 (0 spectators)
23:59:51  <mrruben5> funny

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