Log for #openttdcoop on 26th November 2010:
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03:11:20  <Webster> Hi! From all your Coop Friends!
03:12:25  <Mark> hiya
03:13:58  <Mark> !password
03:13:58  <PublicServer> Mark: newing
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08:02:25  <DayDreamer> !info
08:02:25  <PublicServer> DayDreamer: #:1(Orange) Company Name: 'PSG198: Tropicinal'  Year Founded: 1950  Money: 5862519738  Loan: 0  Value: 5869915615  (T:647, R:0, P:0, S:0) unprotected
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10:07:48  <Mazur>  Moar ning, Smoothie.
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11:22:33  <Mazur> Morning, mrruben5, theholyduck.
11:22:44  <theholyduck> yo
11:22:44  <Mazur> DayDreamer, Fuco.
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11:22:55  <theholyduck> how did the hub 5 upgrade go?
11:22:55  <Mazur> Oooer!
11:22:56  <theholyduck> er
11:22:57  <theholyduck> ring
11:23:02  <DayDreamer> hi guys
11:23:05  <Mazur> Does my breath smell so foul?
11:23:08  <Fuco> wat
11:23:30  <Mazur> I greet mrruben5 and he leaves....
11:23:58  <Mazur> Upgrade went fine, V453000 and TheRisen did most of hte work.
11:24:36  <Mazur> Might need to be a little more integrated or beautified, ut it works.
11:30:28  <Twigman> reading fail, read that as 'Does my ring smell so foul?'
11:30:32  <Twigman> :S
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12:02:35  <V453000> !password
12:02:35  <PublicServer> V453000: pelvic
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12:03:20  <KenjiE20> unfunf
12:03:27  <KenjiE20> >_>
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12:22:23  <Ammler> @wiki setdef
12:22:25  <Webster> Setdef - #openttdcoop Wiki -
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12:37:22  <PublicServer> <glevans2> hi Mazur
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12:42:56  <PublicServer> <glevans2> :(
12:59:22  <Mazur> One mo,
12:59:41  <PublicServer> <glevans2> :)
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12:59:54  <PublicServer> <Mazur> hI.,
13:00:02  <PublicServer> <glevans2> wb Mazur
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13:01:57  <PublicServer> <glevans2> at !blocking do we need to change signals?
13:10:01  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 000346A0:
13:13:58  <PublicServer> <glevans2> ouch.. an expansion to sector 7 loop will kill that station...
13:15:00  <PublicServer> <Mazur> It cane move.
13:17:28  <PublicServer> <Mazur> There.  Happier?
13:17:34  <PublicServer> <glevans2> :)
13:25:01  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0003569F:
13:27:19  <PublicServer> <Mazur> And there, I made another tile free, or easy to free later, if needed.
13:27:37  <PublicServer> <Mazur> And if that's not enough, let them tunnel.
13:28:07  <PublicServer> <glevans2> :)
13:28:13  <PublicServer> <Mazur> I have spoken.
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13:39:52  <PublicServer> <Mazur> So, connected a bunch of oil wells, maybe the drop will get a train from time to time, now.
13:40:02  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00011AC1:
13:41:34  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Hmm, glad I expanded the goods drop in advance, the original six platforms are definately not enough.
13:42:11  <Ammler> someone here using Ubuntu?
13:42:29  <Mazur> Maybe.
13:42:34  <Mazur> Not me, though.
13:42:41  <Mazur> >:-)
13:42:51  <glevans2> I am
13:43:11  <glevans2> 10.04
13:43:35  <Mazur> 14:43
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13:47:30  <Ammler> glevans2: how do you run a "root" command?
13:47:56  <glevans2> sudo <cmd>
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13:48:09  <Ammler> and then you need to type a pw?
13:48:13  <glevans2> yes
13:48:20  <Ammler> pw from?
13:48:31  <glevans2> your user
13:48:42  <Ammler> also if you are logged in as this user?
13:48:50  <Ammler> that is so unbelieveable silly :-)
13:49:14  <glevans2> ubuntu's way of being helpful...
13:49:16  <KenjiE20> you know how sudo works right?
13:49:23  <glevans2> not a great idea, but easy
13:49:37  <KenjiE20> ubuntu just happens to stuff you in wheel as default
13:51:01  <Ammler> KenjiE20: if you and me use sudo, we habe to give the pw of the user we like to run the command
13:51:20  <Ammler> Ubuntu sudo asks for the pw of the user you are
13:51:57  <KenjiE20> I've usually known sudo to ask for the current user pwd
13:52:11  <KenjiE20> su <user> asks for the user pwd
13:52:20  <Ammler> yes
13:52:37  <Ammler> you don't have su in ubuntu
13:52:41  <KenjiE20> sudo schecks if your in wheel
13:52:51  <KenjiE20> at least afaik
13:53:01  <Ammler> KenjiE20: don't confuse ubuntu sudo with your sudo ;-)
13:53:14  <Ammler> or with the rest of the world sudo
13:54:21  <Mazur> You can configure whther the root password or the users password is used, but since the whole sudo command was invented to prevent the root password from spreading too far.....
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13:55:02  * Mazur is older as a Unix user than sudo is.
13:55:20  <Mazur> s/user/administrator/
13:55:43  <Ammler> Mazur: well, it is a very special ubuntu case, I am not aware of anohter distro using such a silly config
13:56:55  <Mazur> And since you're basically deferring root priv for a specific command, you might as well simply verify hte user you deferred the priv to is indeed that user.
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13:57:13  <Mazur> Ergo his or herr password.
13:57:15  <KenjiE20> ^ and in the correct group
13:57:16  <Mazur> Puggle!
13:57:31  <Ammler> Mazur: that is done with login as that user
13:57:55  <Ammler> If I run sudo, I don't need a pw or I would need the root pw
13:58:02  <Mazur> Not if that user went for a quick pee without logging out.
13:58:28  <KenjiE20> yeah, it's verifying the stupid link, i.e. human
13:58:42  <Ammler> Mazur: yes, well, again proofs user base of ubuntu
13:58:50  <Mazur> Ammler, that makes no sense at all.
13:59:15  <Mazur> Might as well simply su to root and have done with.
13:59:40  <KenjiE20> I'm not seeing an issue, the root has to add a user to group wheel, then that user may use sudo once they confirm they are them
13:59:56  <Ammler> Mazur: people which have root access should know, how to hanel their account
14:00:14  <Ammler> but needing your own pw to gain root access is soo stupid
14:00:41  <Mazur> Hm, yes, I was reacting to the user knopwing the root password, but you said "would".
14:00:45  <Ammler> KenjiE20: again, this is ubuntu only
14:01:10  <Ammler> or does your distro really behave like that too?
14:01:23  <Mazur> Letting the command go without verification is ok-ish, in a more secure setting.
14:01:49  <KenjiE20> every distro I've used has had it this way
14:02:11  <Ammler> well, I only know, that suse and debian doesn't work that way
14:02:16  <Ammler> and centos and fedora
14:02:54  <KenjiE20>
14:02:56  <Webster> Title: sudo - Debian Wiki (at
14:03:01  <KenjiE20> Using sudo is better (safer) than opening a session as root, especially for the following reasons:
14:03:03  <KenjiE20>     * One does not need the root password (sudo prompt for the current user's password).
14:03:12  <KenjiE20> Q.E.D.
14:03:19  <Mazur> I've worked for University computer centres, and assuming the teachers are A. secure or B. intelligent enough to forsee consequences would constitute a serious breach of security.
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14:04:10  <Mazur> Alas I as the only security-minded person where I worked, my bosses would happily have me give the root password to them or their secretaries.
14:04:57  <Mazur> But I won those fights.
14:05:00  <Mazur> :-)
14:05:29  <Mazur> With the aid of the new sudo utility, back then.
14:05:33  <KenjiE20> "Do *you* have complete and utter faith in y.... yeah I didn't think so"
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14:07:22  <Mazur> "Can you assure me she'll never accidentally wipe the whole root partition clean?
14:07:24  <Mazur> "
14:08:34  <Mazur> "I once caught a colleague trying to: rm -rf .* ....  Iwill tell you what he thought he was doing, and what he in reality did."
14:09:07  <KenjiE20> heh
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14:10:02  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 000202EE:
14:10:46  <PublicServer> <glevans2> ok Mazur, got to go...back in a bit...
14:10:50  <Mazur> I noticed it when /usr/bin commands started disappearing, and a ps-aux alerted me.  A quick ps -aux|grep " rm -rf" |awk "print {}""|xargs kill -9
14:11:05  <Mazur> saved me from needing to do a full restore.
14:11:31  <Mazur> Minus the one typo now.
14:12:05  <glevans2> you need to add mains to his chair so you can 'kill -9 $user$...'
14:12:08  <Ammler> killall rm
14:12:25  <Mazur> Ammler, killall did not exist, yet.
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14:12:39  <glevans2> back in a bit
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14:12:48  * Mazur needs to do some shopping.
14:13:03  <Ammler> installing debian, as I can't believe that
14:13:13  <Ammler> I really need to see that myself :-)
14:13:19  <Mazur> Can't believe what?
14:13:27  <Ammler> the supid use of sudo
14:14:30  <Mazur> Oh, stupid is everywhere, which is why some people are now trying to make me do everything as a normal user, while 20% of what I do _needs_ root.
14:15:56  <Mazur> Because letting things like package updating be done as a normal user has only been half-heartedly implemented, and those trying to force it all have twiddled their own ssytem so as not to notice that.
14:16:40  <Ammler> well, on such systems, I would simply run sudo bash as first :-)
14:16:57  <Mazur> Anyway, Chopin  (shopping).
14:17:02  <Mazur> back later.
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14:37:23  <Skasi> !password youuu!!!
14:37:23  <PublicServer> Skasi: thongs
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16:04:53  <Jkrueger> !password
16:04:53  <PublicServer> Jkrueger: scenic
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16:43:54  <glevans2> !players
16:43:57  <PublicServer> glevans2: Client 606 (Orange) is Skasi, in company 1 (PSG198: Tropicinal)
16:44:09  <glevans2> !password
16:44:09  <PublicServer> glevans2: tauted
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16:46:37  <PublicServer> <glevans2> PublicServer is a liar... Skasi is not here...
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17:19:21  <Mazur> !password
17:19:21  <PublicServer> Mazur: curdle
17:19:22  <Sylf> o_o
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17:19:49  <PublicServer> <glevans2> hi Mazur
17:19:59  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Rehi.
17:25:05  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00037C9A:
17:31:45  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Any new points needing attyention?
17:32:48  <PublicServer> <glevans2> there are a few primaries that are not connected
17:33:08  <PublicServer> <glevans2> but I was looking for jam-my spots
17:35:19  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Ok, trainyard trains cleaned up again.
17:35:33  <PublicServer> <glevans2> doh
17:35:51  <PublicServer> <Mazur> There were still four trains sharing their order with their trainyard counterpart.
17:36:21  <PublicServer> <glevans2> were any servicing my stations?
17:36:23  <PublicServer> <Mazur> 252-255.
17:36:53  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Pickup 09.
17:37:27  <theholyduck> IIIIIIIIIIII AINT GOT NOBODY!
17:37:27  <PublicServer> <Mazur> And no trains created and then forgotten in the depot.
17:37:38  * Mazur hugs theholyduck 
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17:37:43  <theholyduck> Mazur, somebody made pickup trains without cloning them from existing ones?
17:37:51  <theholyduck> i guess somebody needs to LEARN ZEH BASICS
17:37:57  <PublicServer> <glevans2> I don't think those trains matter, because they will only ever run that route..
17:38:05  <Mazur> No, they shared the orders with the trainyard train.
17:38:29  <PublicServer> <Mazur> True, but you never know.
17:38:35  <theholyduck> glevans2, its a good habbit
17:38:36  <theholyduck> its faster
17:38:39  <theholyduck> really
17:38:53  <theholyduck> theres no reason NOT to do it that way
17:38:57  <theholyduck> appart from not knowing better
17:39:14  <theholyduck> !password
17:39:14  <PublicServer> theholyduck: potter
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17:39:41  <PublicServer> <glevans2> wb Ducky
17:39:47  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Holy F  erm Duck!
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17:40:01  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> ;p
17:40:05  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0000D584:
17:40:41  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Anyone know why the "here" comments are at MSH 04?
17:40:51  <PublicServer> <Mazur> 4b
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17:41:00  <w4ldf33> !dl lin32
17:41:00  <PublicServer> w4ldf33: unknown option "lin32"
17:41:08  <w4ldf33> !dl lin
17:41:08  <PublicServer> w4ldf33:
17:41:30  <PublicServer> <glevans2> ooh... perfect signals huh... thats just begging for criticism...
17:42:00  <PublicServer> <Mazur> If you can find a valid criticism, I'm open.
17:42:19  <PublicServer> <Mazur> But I;ll show you what someone did.
17:42:29  <PublicServer> <Mazur> You still at DROP 04?
17:43:00  <PublicServer> <glevans2> Yes
17:43:14  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> seems like there needs to be some station expansion here
17:43:20  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> at 06
17:43:22  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> drop
17:43:26  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Ok, wtahc near the arrows, bottm first.
17:43:30  <PublicServer> * theholyduck does
17:43:47  <PublicServer> <Mazur> That is what they added.
17:44:07  <PublicServer> <glevans2> and there is a wrong signal
17:44:14  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Now tell me what those signals add to the situation.
17:44:43  <PublicServer> <glevans2> you have a single combo where an exit should be
17:45:05  <PublicServer> <Mazur> First let me remove thos superfluous ones again.
17:45:40  <PublicServer> <Mazur> That was not my idea, anyway,
17:45:40  <PublicServer> <glevans2> and they add nothing since there is not a trainlength waiting space...likely to block
17:46:00  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Even is there was waiting space.
17:47:08  <PublicServer> <glevans2> and because they are combo, even if there was space, a train will not enter if all following signals are red
17:47:46  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Exactly!  If the last one is red, so is the first one.
17:47:58  <PublicServer> <Mazur> SO it is STOOPID!
17:48:29  <PublicServer> <glevans2> there seems to be a lot of that around... even me sometimes...
17:48:44  <PublicServer> <Mazur> I used to do it, too.
17:48:59  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Recently I thought about it, for the first eim.
17:49:01  <PublicServer> <Mazur> time
17:49:24  <PublicServer> <glevans2> wow, we have a first-time thinker here folks...
17:49:27  <PublicServer> <glevans2> :P
17:49:38  <PublicServer> <Mazur> If you need a waiting bay, the first must be exit and the second an entry signal.
17:49:48  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> there , food is finally flowing well
17:50:10  <PublicServer> <Mazur> It wasn't?
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17:50:21  <PublicServer> <Mazur> I mean, did you chang3e anything new?
17:50:23  <PublicServer> <glevans2> hmm, you said food... I wonder what I have in the house that is quick to eat...
17:50:29  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> 06
17:50:32  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> fruit drop
17:51:01  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> it was jamming at the msh due to slowdowns
17:51:01  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> so i added 3 extra lines
17:51:01  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> *platforms
17:51:02  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Still is.
17:51:04  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> now it works well
17:51:10  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> jamming the msh?
17:51:13  <PublicServer> <Mazur> No, THat's pickup.
17:51:21  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> drop works fine now
17:51:35  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> 06 drop works great now
17:52:31  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> i guess thats an improvement
17:52:42  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Changes not a thing.
17:52:51  <w4ldf33> !password
17:52:51  <PublicServer> w4ldf33: potter
17:53:03  <PublicServer> <Mazur> It's  only removing a possible blocking.
17:53:07  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> exactly
17:53:15  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> and as such, its and improvement
17:53:39  <PublicServer> * theholyduck looks for other main station that needs expansion
17:53:45  <w4ldf33> !password
17:53:45  <PublicServer> w4ldf33: urning
17:53:57  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Yes, but originally I thought it didn;t change a thing, but as I hit enter, I thought of the train leaving as a train just passed the first one.
17:54:25  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Mine are hardly used.
17:54:44  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Only goods drop gets any tyraffic.
17:55:06  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00007AB4:
17:56:04  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> they arent percfect though
17:56:06  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> at goods drop
17:56:28  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> you could add a combo at the diagonal lines
17:56:46  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> so thatthe first platform frees up a couple of miliseconds faster
17:57:20  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Fine, nice split hair.
17:57:22  <PublicServer> <Mazur> :-)
17:57:41  <PublicServer> <Mazur> But when you're right, you;re right.
17:57:43  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> dont make a perfect claim
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17:57:53  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> without them being perfect :P
17:58:09  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Ever heard of a hyperbole?
17:58:24  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> i dont think you're capable of it!
17:58:46  <PublicServer> <Mazur> I used to to extra discourage  whoever thought they could improve it.
17:59:00  <PublicServer> <Mazur> That I'm capable of perfection?
17:59:13  <w4ldf33> !password
17:59:13  <PublicServer> w4ldf33: urning
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18:03:20  <theholyduck> so, who is w4ldf33
18:03:26  * theholyduck has never seen that nick before
18:03:33  <PublicServer> <w4ldf33> me i guess ^^
18:03:38  * Mazur neither.
18:03:45  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> first time here?
18:03:53  <PublicServer> <w4ldf33> i drop by every half year and admire your work :D
18:03:55  <Mazur> Oooer, a virgin!
18:04:02  <Mazur> Not?
18:04:05  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> you should try playing some
18:04:06  * Mazur pouts,
18:04:09  <PublicServer> <w4ldf33> not rly a virgin
18:04:29  <PublicServer> <w4ldf33> i build a station a year ago ^^
18:04:38  <TheRisen> !password
18:04:38  <PublicServer> TheRisen: urning
18:04:43  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> CRAZEEEH
18:04:54  <PublicServer> <w4ldf33> yeah felt pretty cool
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18:09:31  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> theres a lot of empty stations ;:P
18:09:38  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> ithink we need moar trains
18:09:44  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> train limit is 700 right?
18:09:50  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> were at 695
18:09:50  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Correct
18:10:06  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0000A46C:
18:10:26  <PublicServer> <Mazur> I've been going round already, adding to empty stations.
18:10:52  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Some hours ago, though, and not thoroughly.
18:10:58  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> there, we hit train limit
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18:12:42  <PublicServer> <Intexon> hi
18:12:48  <PublicServer> <TheRisen> hey
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18:25:06  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0000D97A:
18:25:45  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> err
18:25:49  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> WUT
18:25:59  <PublicServer> <glevans2> where?
18:26:06  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> well, i see it now,
18:26:18  <PublicServer> <theholyduck> but it seems so utterly confusinlgly weirdly/badly build
18:26:20  <PublicServer> *** theholyduck has left the game (connection lost)
18:26:32  <theholyduck> some stuff jkruger built
18:26:41  <theholyduck> it does work, but it looks totally LOLWUT
18:26:46  <theholyduck> so hard to decode
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18:33:07  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Ronery, I'm so ronery...
18:33:19  <Mazur> =-)
18:33:20  <glevans2> hang on
18:36:23  <glevans2> !password
18:36:23  <PublicServer> glevans2: disuse
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18:36:52  <PublicServer> <glevans2> :D
18:37:28  <PublicServer> <glevans2> grabed some leftover's to eat...
18:37:38  <PublicServer> * glevans2 looks around...
18:38:04  <PublicServer> <glevans2> we had roast duck yesterday... makes a grweat sandwich today...
18:38:23  <PublicServer> <glevans2> s/grweat/great
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18:47:16  <PublicServer> <glevans2> nice changes... might keep 'helpful' types from making too many changes...
18:47:43  <PublicServer> <Mazur> DROP 04, you mean?
18:47:53  <PublicServer> <glevans2> yep
18:48:31  <PublicServer> <Mazur> I already had the idea to see if thwere was room for waiting bays, and this way it was possible.
18:50:26  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Had to bend those two approaches, though, to avoid cl issues.
18:53:24  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Oh, yes, trainlimit, building new stations is not all that useful, now.
18:54:24  <PublicServer> <glevans2> what can we do about !CL
18:55:07  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00028A21:
18:55:59  <PublicServer> <glevans2> maybe move the station back?
18:57:05  <PublicServer> <Mazur> At least one, then you can circle back counterclockwise.
18:57:36  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Ah, no, that's the ML.
18:59:07  <PublicServer> <glevans2> or rotate direction and make ro-ro...
18:59:29  <PublicServer> <Mazur> evern better.
19:00:18  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Just testing another ida.
19:00:20  <PublicServer> <Mazur> idea
19:00:28  <PublicServer> <glevans2> go for it
19:00:37  <PublicServer> <glevans2> still thinking here
19:01:32  <PublicServer> <Mazur> That would work.
19:02:28  <XeryusTC> make it roro!
19:02:32  <XeryusTC> (if it is the last screen)
19:02:36  <V453000> !password
19:02:36  <PublicServer> V453000: vicars
19:02:39  <XeryusTC> also, kick the one who build it in the baby maker
19:03:03  <PublicServer> <glevans2> as it is writen, so shall it be done...
19:03:32  <V453000> lol funny
19:03:37  <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game
19:03:39  <PublicServer> <V453000> hi
19:03:47  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Hi, V.
19:03:53  <PublicServer> <glevans2> hey V453000
19:03:55  <PublicServer> <V453000> how is it
19:04:07  <PublicServer> <Mazur> I thought about adding two platforms to diamond pickup.
19:04:11  <PublicServer> <Mazur> DROP I mean.
19:04:51  <PublicServer> <V453000> hmm
19:04:58  <PublicServer> <V453000> was a wave I suppose :)
19:05:28  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Could be.  Allwaiting bays were full, but not yet a train waiting for a bay.
19:06:10  <PublicServer> <Mazur> And simplest addition would kill an existing bay.
19:07:41  <PublicServer> <V453000> would it? :p
19:09:12  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Btw, we're at tain max again.
19:09:27  <PublicServer> <V453000> I think we can get a next 100 :)
19:09:37  <V453000> !rcon set max_trains 800
19:09:39  <PublicServer> <Mazur> You think so?
19:09:45  <PublicServer> <V453000> why not
19:09:48  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Yay!
19:10:08  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0000B064:
19:10:10  <PublicServer> <glevans2> it's good to be friends with V453000...  :D
19:10:24  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Your improved 5-7 works way better.
19:10:42  <PublicServer> <V453000> it still acts a bit slow
19:11:09  <XeryusTC> !tell V453000 about !trains
19:11:13  <XeryusTC> @tell V453000 about !trains
19:11:20  <XeryusTC> fucking bots :(
19:11:24  <V453000> @tell XeryusTC to fuck off
19:11:25  <V453000> :P
19:11:28  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Just a lot of trains.  It's a popular hub.
19:11:47  <V453000> either option works, I like rcon one :p
19:12:08  <PublicServer> <V453000> Mazur: that does not mean it cant be improved :p
19:12:20  <XeryusTC> oh @tell notices :o
19:12:23  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Correct.
19:12:25  <XeryusTC> i thought it was public :o
19:12:52  <PublicServer> <V453000> for example now it is better already :p
19:13:01  <^Spike^> !tell XeryusTC about password
19:13:03  <^Spike^> !tell XeryusTC about !password
19:13:35  <XeryusTC> @tell ^Spike^ to use Webster
19:13:46  <^Spike^> @kick XeryusTC cause i say so
19:13:46  *** XeryusTC was kicked by Webster (cause i say so)
19:13:50  <^Spike^> oh.. ;)
19:13:53  <V453000> :D
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19:14:00  <XeryusTC> meh
19:14:03  <XeryusTC> autorejoin is slow :s
19:14:13  <^Spike^> @kickme
19:14:13  *** ^Spike^ was kicked by Webster (^Spike^)
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19:14:18  <^Spike^> hmmm....
19:14:21  <^Spike^> no problem here
19:14:37  <XeryusTC> @kick ^Spike^ revenge is a dish best served... well... now? :D
19:14:48  <V453000> hmm
19:14:49  <V453000> :D
19:14:50  <XeryusTC> hmm xD
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19:15:00  <XeryusTC> fuck Webster
19:15:01  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Ok, first task: find empty stations.
19:15:07  <^Spike^> what did Webster say then? :)
19:15:16  <XeryusTC> didnt do a thing
19:15:22  <XeryusTC> @kick ^Spike^ test
19:15:22  <^Spike^> did it say anything
19:15:26  <^Spike^> aka by notice or something :)
19:15:30  <XeryusTC> no
19:15:43  <^Spike^> @kick ^Spike^ bla
19:15:43  *** ^Spike^ was kicked by Webster (bla)
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19:15:51  <^Spike^> does allow to kick me.. :)
19:15:54  <^Spike^> @capabilities
19:15:58  <^Spike^> @capabilities XeryusTC
19:16:02  <^Spike^> @capabilities XeryusT:(C
19:16:02  <Webster> ^Spike^: (capabilities [<name>]) -- Returns the capabilities of the user specified by <name>; if <name> isn't specified, returns the capabilities of the user calling the command.
19:16:07  <^Spike^> lame.. :)
19:16:11  <^Spike^> can't see yours :D
19:16:20  <^Spike^> @whois XeryusTC
19:16:25  <planetmaker> ^Spike^: you should try @kbanme ;-)
19:16:26  <^Spike^> bleh :)
19:16:33  <XeryusTC> @whoami
19:16:33  <Webster> XeryusTC: I don't recognize you.
19:16:36  <^Spike^> pm my name isn't... you know who :D
19:16:43  <planetmaker> hehe :-)
19:16:43  <^Spike^> XeryusTC that explains? ;)
19:16:45  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Hm, food pickup at 31% and station often full up.
19:16:56  <XeryusTC> @kick ^Spike^ now it works :D
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19:17:00  <^Spike^> :)
19:17:02  <PublicServer> <V453000> there are multiple pickups :)
19:17:12  <^Spike^> @capabilities XeryusTC
19:17:14  <^Spike^> bleh :D
19:17:17  <PublicServer> <V453000> specify, mortal! :p
19:17:22  <PublicServer> <V453000> 06 I supose :)
19:17:24  <PublicServer> <Mazur> PCKUP 06.
19:17:26  <planetmaker> children. How do you want to teach others manners?
19:17:36  <^Spike^> with @kickme? :)
19:17:37  <planetmaker> You'd have banned any non-member for that behaviour ;-)
19:17:38  <PublicServer> <V453000> it just needs more trains
19:17:39  <XeryusTC> we dont
19:17:46  <PublicServer> <V453000> then they might un-wave
19:17:52  <^Spike^> pm be happy i don't know any bdays then :D
19:18:00  <planetmaker> :-P
19:18:16  <^Spike^> where i come from there is some wierd tradition.. when it's someone's bday you kick him out of the channel... just for fun
19:18:23  <^Spike^> or in case if you're an ircop you kill his connection :D
19:18:27  <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost)
19:18:34  <V453000> !password
19:18:34  <PublicServer> V453000: wisely
19:18:46  <^Spike^> PublicServer don't overrate him
19:18:52  <V453000> :)
19:19:06  <glevans2> heh
19:19:09  <^Spike^> :)
19:19:22  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Anynoe added any trains to PICKUP 06 yet?
19:19:30  <V453000> me
19:19:36  <PublicServer> <Mazur> k
19:19:40  <V453000> connection bork, cant join -.-
19:19:48  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Don;t want to duible the amout.
19:20:00  <XeryusTC> ^Spike^: TweakIRC? :D
19:20:06  <^Spike^> ?
19:20:15  <XeryusTC> where you come from :P
19:20:18  <^Spike^> nop
19:20:23  <^Spike^> tweakers irc serv?
19:20:27  <XeryusTC> yeah
19:20:28  <^Spike^> long time since i been there...
19:20:36  <XeryusTC> dunno about the ircop killing you
19:20:36  <^Spike^> coming from a different dutch server...
19:20:41  <XeryusTC> but they do kick very often :D
19:20:44  <^Spike^> :)
19:21:07  <^Spike^> well where i come from we usually are ircops/helpers with each other.. and if someone's bday is there... it's kick time.. :)
19:21:14  <^Spike^> best thing to do: Don't say it's your bday :D
19:21:40  <^Spike^> although these days it doesn't bother me for a simple reason: BNC
19:21:41  <^Spike^> :D
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19:28:24  <XeryusTC> spike: that doesnt help when it gets k-lined
19:28:42  <^Spike^> true
19:28:46  <^Spike^> but klines are for noobs
19:28:51  <^Spike^> glines for the win :)
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19:33:36  <glevans2> doh
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19:34:26  <glevans2> he lives...
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19:56:40  <PublicServer> <glevans2> about done Mazur?
19:56:50  <PublicServer> <Mazur> With what?
19:57:04  <PublicServer> <glevans2> with curent work?
19:57:34  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Think so.
19:57:48  <PublicServer> <glevans2> I need to go within the next 5 minutes
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20:00:14  <PublicServer> <Mazur> That's done, I think.  Just a brief lookover.,
20:01:20  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Feel free to go whenever you need.
20:02:55  <PublicServer> <glevans2> ok, later
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20:03:22  <Mazur> Have fnu.
20:03:43  <glevans2> need to spend time with my back later
20:03:56  <Mazur> That's very important.
20:04:30  <glevans2> especially since he will probably chose my retirement quality of life...
20:04:32  <glevans2> :D
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20:17:02  <V453000> Ammler: what should I do? :)
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21:08:46  <XeryusTC> !players
21:08:49  <PublicServer> XeryusTC: Client 619 (Orange) is Mazur, in company 1 (PSG198: Tropicinal)
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21:33:10  <Mazur> Still just solo.
21:33:50  <Mazur> But that's cool, I had nothing going.
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22:02:53  <XeryusTC> !password
22:02:53  <PublicServer> XeryusTC: cupped
22:02:59  <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players)
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22:04:23  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> what's up with !blocking?
22:05:21  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Three to one merge
22:05:55  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> that's not that bad as two of them are also able to join the other lane :P
22:06:05  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> and it is not blocking afaics
22:06:15  <PublicServer> <Mazur> So 2 or 3 sometimes blocks 3 or 2 trying to go to 1
22:07:29  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Not sure whether or not I put that sign there, might have, to help myself to think about finding a better way.
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22:08:37  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> that is almost always so on 4 to 2 joiners
22:08:57  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> or well, it is when i build them sometimes :P
22:10:09  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 000260E0:
22:19:12  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> hmm
22:19:18  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> bbh 1-3 has a jamming joiner
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22:27:50  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Same sort of issue.
22:28:54  <XeryusTC> more capacity
22:29:36  <PublicServer> <Mazur> As in an extra line, you mean?
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22:43:55  <XeryusTC> Mazur: yes, or tighter squeezing
22:46:12  <Mazur> *nghghghghghgh*
22:46:27  <Mazur> You squeezed too tight, now I'm out.
22:46:34  <Mazur> !password
22:46:34  <PublicServer> Mazur: fudged
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22:47:47  <Mazur> But I _have_ been thinking about a squeezing mechnism for MLs.
22:49:00  <Mazur> The first sketches are in my head, but I need to work them out in rails and try them out.
22:49:16  <Mazur> In a private game.
22:59:45  <XeryusTC> you can always play with them on the PS
23:04:06  <XeryusTC> showing willingness to experiment is always good
23:04:10  <XeryusTC> well, in my book anyway
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23:11:54  <mrruben5> !password
23:11:54  <PublicServer> mrruben5: fudged
23:12:02  <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players)
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23:12:02  <PublicServer> *** mrruben5 joined the game
23:12:07  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> heya
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23:25:11  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0002EBAF:
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23:40:11  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0002BBED:
23:40:41  <TheRisen> heya
23:40:46  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> hey
23:40:54  <TheRisen> !password
23:40:54  <PublicServer> TheRisen: erects
23:40:59  <TheRisen> ere
23:41:01  <TheRisen> argh
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23:47:26  <PublicServer> <TheRisen> ring 3 is the next one needing a 3rd lane
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23:54:20  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> actually 3 doesn't really need a 3th lane
23:54:30  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> just a different station entrance/exit
23:55:11  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0002B7EA:
23:56:46  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Just a third lane from 1-3 to 3-4.
23:58:00  <PublicServer> <mrruben5> ah right
23:58:18  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Maybe.

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