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00:25:41 *** Tray has quit IRC 00:30:04 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 00:44:56 *** Intexon has quit IRC 10:55:26 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop 10:55:26 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 10:56:26 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost) 11:01:28 *** Intexon has joined #openttdcoop 11:09:49 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttdcoop 11:29:56 *** Intexon has quit IRC 11:47:59 *** ppetak has joined #openttdcoop 11:54:08 <ppetak> !password 11:54:08 <PublicServer> ppetak: puking 11:54:24 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 11:54:27 <PublicServer> *** ppetak joined the game 12:01:16 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00005CE7: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/00005CE7.png 12:56:14 *** JamesGo has joined #openttdcoop 12:56:41 <JamesGo> !dl source 12:56:41 <PublicServer> JamesGo: unknown option "source" 12:56:44 <JamesGo> !dl 12:56:44 <PublicServer> JamesGo: !dl autostart|autottd|lin|lin64|osx|ottdau|win32|win64|win9x 12:56:44 <PublicServer> JamesGo: http://www.openttd.org/en/download-trunk/r22375 12:57:48 <V453000> hi James :) 12:57:56 <JamesGo> Hi V453000 12:59:24 <Ammler> JamesGo: you really like to have a link to source? 12:59:34 <JamesGo> Yes, I prefer to compile it 12:59:41 <Ammler> and not using vcs? 13:00:01 <Ammler> e.g. autostart uses svn 13:00:08 <JamesGo> !dl autostart 13:00:08 <PublicServer> JamesGo: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Autostart 13:00:38 <Ammler> but since .ottdrev is part of the source bundle, we could add it 13:01:12 <JamesGo> I had a script to do that, and copy over all the GRFs 13:01:42 <Ammler> !dl source 13:01:42 <PublicServer> Ammler: unknown option "source" 13:02:36 <Ammler> !dl source 13:02:36 <PublicServer> Ammler: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r22375/openttd-trunk-r22375-source.tar.xz 13:02:57 <JamesGo> Cool, thanks 13:03:01 <Ammler> copy from? 13:03:28 <Ammler> autostart does also auotmatically join 13:03:36 <Ammler> fetch pw 13:05:17 <Ammler> but indeed, openttd needs a autodownload for missing newgrfs 13:05:28 <Sylf> :o. Even the PW? 13:05:35 <Ammler> yep 13:05:50 <Sylf> Now I'm jealous 13:05:56 <Ammler> gäll :-) 13:06:10 <JamesGo> This computer is dualboot right now, most of my OpenTTD stuff is on the other OS 13:06:27 <V453000> idk, the pw doesnt bother me that much :) 13:07:12 <Ammler> me neither anymore :-P 13:07:26 <V453000> :( 13:07:30 <PublicServer> *** ppetak has joined spectators 13:08:02 <Ammler> the script were done as you weren't able to switch to spec for afk :-) 13:08:11 <Ammler> and also before bananas 13:08:41 <V453000> eh :) 13:09:05 <Ammler> but why nobody made a patch yet to autodownload bananas grfs is a riddle 13:09:26 <Ammler> today people aren't lazy enough anymore 13:09:57 <Sylf> Banana is convenient enough 13:10:07 <Ammler> not for me 13:10:12 <V453000> I like to download them manually so I really know what I download tbh 13:10:17 <Ammler> not if you use it with autostart 13:10:27 <V453000> even this way I still forget what I downloaded :D 13:10:42 <Ammler> V453000: so what you do, if you don't like the newgrf loaded on the ps? 13:10:46 <Ammler> not join the ps? 13:10:57 <V453000> ? 13:11:14 <V453000> ah, not that way :) 13:11:16 <Ammler> well, you said, you like to check, what newgrfs are needed to download 13:11:27 <Ammler> that does only make sense, if you would decline it 13:11:29 <V453000> not needed to download, available - when I download them on my own 13:11:33 <V453000> without joining a game 13:12:07 <Ammler> yes, it should only download the needed grfs to join a game 13:12:19 <V453000> why? 13:12:28 <Ammler> why what? 13:12:30 <V453000> someone needs to create the game so download the mfirst :) 13:12:51 <Ammler> oh, you miss the point 13:13:01 <Ammler> I speak about joining a game 13:13:22 <V453000> k, nevermind :) 13:13:23 <Ammler> then autostart breaks because I miss a newgr 13:13:46 <Ammler> so I need to download that manually, very tedious 13:13:56 <Ammler> then close openttd and start again 13:14:55 <Ammler> and of course, I don't care what it is downloading, I just hit donwload every missing... 13:15:03 <JamesGo> !password 13:15:03 <PublicServer> JamesGo: sperms 13:15:13 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 13:15:15 <PublicServer> *** James joined the game 13:15:32 <Ammler> !svn 13:15:32 <PublicServer> Ammler: svn update -r22375 && make && ./bin/openttd -n ps.openttdcoop.org#1 -p sperms 13:15:32 <PublicServer> Ammler: svn checkout -r22375 svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk openttdcoop && cd openttdcoop && ./configure && make 13:15:44 <Ammler> JamesGo: also interesting with autojoin ^ 13:15:57 <Ammler> ./bin/openttd -n ps.openttdcoop.org#1 -p sperms 13:19:39 <JamesGo> Looking at the autostart script, it gets the password by requesting a page with curl, the url is http://$SERVER/$PORT/$PWKEY 13:19:48 <PublicServer> *** James has left the game (leaving) 13:22:48 *** LittleMikey has quit IRC 13:23:42 <Ammler> JamesGo: you can request that key from us 13:24:55 <JamesGo> Oh, that's what ask.members in the script means :) 13:25:07 <V453000> :D 13:25:34 <JamesGo> Could I request it please? 13:26:01 <Ammler> !users 13:26:01 <PublicServer> Ammler: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Community:Members 13:26:25 <Ammler> you need to be on that list ^ 13:26:43 <Ammler> (you can register yourself there) 13:27:04 <V453000> (in usual suspects ;) ) 13:27:21 <Ammler> not well maintained right now, it seems 13:27:29 <V453000> which reminds me that would require a massive update 13:27:34 <JamesGo> Thanks 13:27:37 <V453000> ah, exactly :D 13:27:48 <Ammler> :-) 13:30:35 <V453000> 5 people will remain there if I count well :D 13:31:23 <JamesGo> Added myself, and tidied the columns 13:31:51 <Sylf> I wish there were more regulars 13:31:53 <V453000> I guess you need to create http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/User:James 13:36:36 *** Twerkhoven is now known as Taede 13:48:07 <Ammler> !genkey JamesGo 13:48:08 <PublicServer> Ammler: Key sent to JamesGo 13:48:35 <Ammler> yes, create a little user page, please :-) 13:49:26 <Ammler> the alphabetic order seems screwed 13:49:57 <Ammler> hmm, no just James is wrong 13:54:07 <JamesGo> I created a user page, thanks for the key 13:55:44 <Ammler> ywa 14:07:07 <JamesGo> Can I get the revision number from the website in the same way I get the password? http://ps.openttdcoop.org/3979/rev doesn't look right 14:10:06 <Chris_Booth> Ammler with the genkey what URL do I use to fetch the password? 14:10:18 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 14:10:21 <PublicServer> *** James joined the game 14:11:00 <Ammler> http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/finger/openttd 14:11:15 <JamesGo> Thanks 14:11:17 <Ammler> http://ps.openttdcoop.org/public/<KEY> 14:11:32 <Chris_Booth> hhhm just need to find my key now 14:11:46 <Ammler> tell me, if you need a new one :-) 14:12:13 <Chris_Booth> that is porbably much faster Ammler if you could 14:12:15 <Chris_Booth> <3 14:12:20 <Ammler> !genkey Chris_Booth 14:12:20 <PublicServer> Ammler: Key sent to Chris_Booth 14:12:51 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 14:12:51 <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 14:12:54 <PublicServer> *** Chris Booth joined the game 14:12:55 <PublicServer> *** Chris Booth has left the game (leaving) 14:12:55 <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players) 14:13:06 <Chris_Booth> thanks Ammler that is a nice feature 14:13:17 <Chris_Booth> which I forgot about 14:13:23 <Ammler> well, you could make a patch for autodownload :-P 14:13:43 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop 14:13:43 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ODM 14:14:00 <Chris_Booth> I use autoupdate, which allows use of it 14:14:44 <Chris_Booth> does it work in pz aswell? 14:24:14 <PublicServer> *** James has left the game (leaving) 14:26:29 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 14:26:31 <PublicServer> *** James joined the game 14:26:48 <PublicServer> <James> :) Thanks Ammler, BASH, curl and cut 14:28:13 <Ammler> nice, isn't :-P 14:28:33 <Ammler> well, feel free to share your script on our wiki 14:29:14 <Ammler> I don't claim my script to be the only one :-) 14:29:41 <Ammler> didn't have much bash exprience as I wrote it 14:30:49 <KenjiE20> random tweak; http://ps.openttdcoop.org/ now gives the URL for the downloads 14:31:54 <JamesGo> Ok, I'll put the scripts on the Wiki. They should be fairly reliable 14:32:04 <Sylf> Nice tweak 14:32:57 <KenjiE20> also should work for stable now 14:37:50 <Ammler> [16:14] <Chris_Booth> I use autoupdate, which allows use of it <-- autoupdate does download newgrfs? 14:38:18 <Ammler> (that is what I meant with "patch for autodownload") 14:38:32 <Ammler> basically just skip the ok buttons in the openttd gui 14:39:44 <Ammler> KenjiE20: why use binaries.openttd.org? 14:39:49 <Ammler> !dl 14:39:49 <PublicServer> Ammler: !dl autostart|autottd|lin|lin64|osx|ottdau|source|win32|win64|win9x 14:39:49 <PublicServer> Ammler: http://www.openttd.org/en/download-trunk/r22375 14:39:54 <Ammler> and not this ^ 14:40:17 * KenjiE20 shrugs 14:40:32 <Ammler> would autopreselect os 14:40:40 <KenjiE20> can change if you want 14:40:47 <Ammler> I don't care 14:40:57 <Ammler> I just asked you :-P 14:41:01 <KenjiE20> then why bring it up? :p 14:41:19 <Ammler> maybe you have a reason to use that ugly page 14:41:48 <KenjiE20> not really 14:42:54 <Ammler> if you change, use http://www.openttd.org/en/download-testing for stable 14:43:37 <KenjiE20> that works 14:43:39 <Ammler> (without "en/") 14:43:52 <KenjiE20> I was gonna add a thing to spot "RC" but that's easier 14:44:07 <Ammler> yes, it does automatically redirect to stable 14:44:21 <Ammler> and we use testing there anyway 14:44:37 <KenjiE20> I'm guessing -testing won't take an RC revision after it though? 14:45:01 <Ammler> http://www.openttd.org/en/download-testing/1.1.0-RC1 works 14:45:13 <Sylf> Did we use beta on stable server too? 14:45:20 <KenjiE20> yeah 14:45:34 <Ammler> http://www.openttd.org/en/download-testing/1.0.0 works too 14:45:39 <KenjiE20> yup 14:45:44 <KenjiE20> just checked 14:46:08 <Ammler> Sylf: yes, .stable is mainly to test stable :-) 14:46:41 <KenjiE20> there, purty ness 14:46:48 <Ammler> :-) 14:47:07 <KenjiE20> 'cept it don't work without the lang 14:47:10 <Ammler> oh 14:47:15 <Ammler> no trailing slash 14:47:24 <KenjiE20> ah 14:48:01 <KenjiE20> there we go 14:49:41 <PublicServer> *** James has left the game (connection lost) 14:49:41 <PublicServer> *** T. Werkhoven has left the game (connection lost) 14:49:41 <PublicServer> *** ppetak has left the game (connection lost) 14:54:42 <Chris_Booth> not from bananas 14:54:48 <Chris_Booth> only from the new grf pack 14:59:05 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 14:59:08 <PublicServer> *** James joined the game 15:01:19 <PublicServer> *** James has left the game (leaving) 15:04:10 <Ammler> Chris_Booth: so when can we expect the patch? 15:04:30 <Chris_Booth> when someone writes it 15:04:41 <Chris_Booth> or if you epexct me to write it never 15:04:45 <Ammler> !rename Chris_Booth Someone 15:05:01 <Ammler> :'-( 15:05:59 <planetmaker> <Ammler> Sylf: yes, .stable is mainly to test stable :-) <-- hehe. That at least was the birth of it, indeed :-) 15:06:03 <planetmaker> And it helped A LOT 15:08:52 <Ammler> yeah, until we made our server, nobody tested RCs of bugfix releases 15:10:00 <planetmaker> I think we found like 4(?) desyncs around that time 15:10:26 <Ammler> yeah, 1.0.0 was nice 15:12:43 <Vinnie_nl> !password 15:12:43 <PublicServer> Vinnie_nl: rasped 15:12:54 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 15:12:57 <PublicServer> *** Vinnie joined the game 15:13:32 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> :( 15:13:38 <PublicServer> *** Vinnie has left the game (leaving) 15:17:56 <JamesGo> Is it ok if I create a new Wiki page for this script? 15:18:59 <planetmaker> what script? 15:19:22 <JamesGo> A script to automatically download OpenTTD and connect to the public server 15:19:35 <planetmaker> you mean autostart? 15:19:56 <planetmaker> http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Autostart 15:20:02 <JamesGo> This is my own script, wrote it a while ago 15:20:04 <Ammler> JamesGo: go for it 15:20:12 <Ammler> we can always delete it again 15:20:23 <planetmaker> now, that was mean :-) 15:20:32 <planetmaker> If it's one not yet mentioned: sure 15:20:37 <Ammler> we have some experience with spam lately 15:21:08 <Ammler> planetmaker: I asked him to put it on the wiki :-P 15:21:31 <planetmaker> :-) 15:21:34 <planetmaker> good good 15:22:00 <Ammler> I like to see other solutions :-) 15:22:50 *** pugi has quit IRC 15:23:51 <planetmaker> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/raw/174/ <-- any other too often used obsolete NewGRFs I should add for Bernhard's NewGRF museum? 15:26:19 *** pugi has joined #openttdcoop 15:26:53 <JamesGo> Is there a method for uploading files? 15:36:45 <Ammler> JamesGo: wait 15:37:45 <Ammler> JamesGo: you should have a upload link on the left side now 15:37:51 <Ammler> hmm, I thought everyone has that 15:38:14 <Ammler> http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Special:Upload 15:41:33 <JamesGo> Ammler: Thanks 15:45:54 <JamesGo> The Wiki doesn't accept files with no extension or a .sh extension. Giving it a .tex extension would work, but make it less readable 15:46:26 <JamesGo> Oh, it worked :) 15:46:34 *** mfb- has joined #openttdcoop 15:46:39 <mfb-> hi 15:46:56 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 15:46:57 <PublicServer> *** mfb joined the game 15:47:47 <JamesGo> Hi mfb- 15:48:14 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 15:48:14 <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 15:48:17 <PublicServer> *** James joined the game 15:48:36 <Sylf> Hiya mfb 15:49:44 *** Mucht has joined #openttdcoop 15:49:44 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Mucht 15:54:13 <mfb-> why not a simple SLH for the northern island? bridge at biale kosakowo 15:54:20 <mfb-> at sylf's plan 15:55:38 <Sylf> Erm? Does the plan have transfer station? 15:55:50 <JamesGo> http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/GetOpenTTD 15:55:51 <Sylf> I removed that last night 15:56:14 <PublicServer> <mfb> "For North Island Transfer, exploit the 64-tile station spread" 15:56:21 <Sylf> But did it get reverted? 15:56:37 <PublicServer> <mfb> ? 15:56:41 <Sylf> Ugh 15:56:51 <PublicServer> <mfb> why should we exploit anything there? 15:56:55 <Sylf> Yeah, remove that 15:57:15 <PublicServer> <mfb> fine 15:57:32 <Sylf> Also, if you see the suggestions next to the plan, put all of those in place too 15:58:00 <Sylf> Switch around placement of main stations 15:58:18 <PublicServer> <mfb> ? 15:59:15 <Sylf> Hrm... 16:00:04 <Sylf> I think I'm gonna take a lunch break now, come home and fix the plan 16:00:34 <PublicServer> <mfb> 2025... so we have to waste some time :D 16:01:17 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0003EEEC: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0003EEEC.png 16:02:51 <Chris_Booth> Ammler: where can I get the source for autoupdate? 16:03:00 <planetmaker> ask author? 16:03:04 <planetmaker> read readme? 16:04:51 <Ammler> Chris_Booth: it's windows 16:05:13 <Ammler> usually those guys don't think that freedomish :-) 16:05:23 <Ammler> but Zuu is a nice guy, maybe you have luck 16:08:34 <Sylf> so, mfb... 16:08:55 <Sylf> The coop team would like to welcome you to the coop membership. 16:09:22 <mfb-> :) 16:09:36 <planetmaker> \o/ I heart the words 'party' and 'beer'! 16:09:52 <Sylf> Yeah! Par-tey! 16:10:10 <Sylf> @op mfb- 16:10:10 *** Webster sets mode: +o mfb- 16:10:32 <mfb-> thanks 16:10:38 <planetmaker> the question, mfb- , is: do you want to join the team? 16:11:00 <Ammler> JamesGo: for make -j: $(($(cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep processor | wc -l)*2+1)) 16:11:00 <mfb-> well, why not. it is nice here 16:11:01 <Sylf> It's not a mandate :) 16:11:35 <Ammler> oh 16:11:42 <Ammler> welcome mfb- :-) 16:11:49 <Sylf> Well then, it's official :) 16:11:49 <planetmaker> welcome then :-) 16:11:53 <Sylf> Welcome, mfb 16:12:10 <Ammler> can he vote? 16:12:23 <Ammler> he needs to be member to be against becoming a member 16:12:29 <mfb-> vote where? 16:12:32 <planetmaker> :-P 16:12:32 <Mucht> congrats mfb- 16:12:39 <Sylf> hahahaha 16:12:50 <Sylf> now that he's a member, he can veto his own membership? 16:12:55 <planetmaker> o_O awoken from looong slumber, eh? ;-) 16:13:04 <Mucht> ;) 16:13:31 <Ammler> hehe, Salü Mucht :-) 16:13:40 <Mucht> ah, Ammler, still active heh 16:13:56 <Ammler> not much playing though 16:14:03 <planetmaker> someone has to keep it running ;-) 16:14:32 <Mucht> thats true 16:14:52 <Ammler> Osai: is also quite absent 16:16:55 <Ammler> I plan to get some time with playing, when yacd is going to be MP testing 16:18:42 <planetmaker> :-) A lot of people will be looking forward to that, I guess 16:18:59 <planetmaker> Looked to me like more fun than cargodist 16:20:19 <Ammler> well, the issue we made with cargodist is that we didn't make it coop 16:21:00 <Ammler> both types are mostly for one company 16:23:22 <Chris_Booth> I have asked Zuu if i can have the sourse 16:23:27 <Chris_Booth> saource 16:23:33 <PublicServer> *** James has left the game (connection lost) 16:23:33 <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players) 16:28:13 <Sylf> hmmm... can I !getkey for myself? 16:28:21 <Sylf> gen* 16:28:28 <Sylf> !genkey Sylf 16:28:28 <PublicServer> Sylf: Key sent to Sylf 16:29:35 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 16:29:35 <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 16:29:36 <PublicServer> *** Sylf joined the game 16:29:52 <PublicServer> <Sylf> Ah ha, it works :) 16:37:28 <yorick> !password 16:37:28 <PublicServer> yorick: errand 16:39:01 <PublicServer> *** yorick joined the game 16:40:01 <PublicServer> <yorick> so everyone can vote? :) 16:40:05 <PublicServer> *** yorick has joined company #1 16:41:14 <PublicServer> *** yorick has left the game (leaving) 16:41:30 <Taede> they let me vote, so i guess so 16:41:35 *** Taede is now known as TWerkhoven 16:42:28 <Sylf> yup, anyone 16:43:41 <PublicServer> *** T. Werkhoven joined the game 16:44:07 <PublicServer> *** James joined the game 16:44:50 *** SmatZ has joined #openttdcoop 16:44:50 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o SmatZ 16:45:32 <PublicServer> *** 0DM joined the game 16:46:18 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 000068E9: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/000068E9.png 16:47:17 <planetmaker> smatzy-patchy! :-) 16:48:52 <Ammler> SmatZ: might need to enable autojoin in his bnc panel? 16:53:10 *** fonsinchen has joined #openttdcoop 16:56:10 <PublicServer> <0DM> when is sylf's loc available anyway? 16:57:54 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop 16:57:54 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 16:57:58 <V453000> !password 16:57:58 <PublicServer> V453000: warier 16:58:17 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 16:58:21 <PublicServer> <V453000> elo 16:58:26 <TWerkhoven> ~2025, close enough 16:58:37 <PublicServer> <mfb> hi 16:58:59 <PublicServer> <James> Hello 16:59:05 <yorick> btw, what's the patch you use for the server-side screenshots 16:59:39 <PublicServer> <0DM> couple more years of voting then:P 16:59:44 <SmatZ> yorick: you just need to keep the blitter for dedicated 17:00:00 <yorick> SmatZ: that's evil 17:00:08 <SmatZ> yet simple :) 17:00:18 <yorick> that takes cpu when it's not used 17:00:54 * SmatZ takes CPU from yorick 17:01:17 <yorick> hey...gimme back mah cpu! 17:01:18 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0001AFBA: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0001AFBA.png 17:01:21 <TWerkhoven> what hardware does the ps run on anyway? 17:01:21 <planetmaker> yorick, the server is powerful enough 17:01:23 <KenjiE20> nomnom 17:01:25 <SmatZ> no :P 17:01:37 <planetmaker> but we keep the extra CPU 17:01:45 * planetmaker agrees with SmatZ - good catch ;-) 17:01:46 <KenjiE20> TWerkhoven: a dead badger 17:01:48 <yorick> I need that 17:01:57 <SmatZ> :) 17:01:58 <TWerkhoven> ooooh, organic computers 17:02:00 <KenjiE20> I think we added a toaster too for an upgrade 17:02:15 <PublicServer> <0DM> did someone say toast? 17:02:17 <TWerkhoven> doesn't it get smelly though? 17:02:18 <KenjiE20> no 17:02:25 <yorick> TWerkhoven: the toaster? 17:02:29 <KenjiE20> WE don't have to smell it so... 17:02:29 <TWerkhoven> the badger 17:04:15 <Ammler> yorick: there is a ticket about in the autopilot devzone 17:04:17 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost) 17:05:01 <yorick> ew...tcl 17:06:06 <Ammler> http://openttdcoop.org/patches/keepBlitterForDedicated.p1.diff 17:06:28 <Ammler> a very complicated patch :-P 17:07:10 *** DayDreamer has joined #openttdcoop 17:07:37 <yorick> Ammler: would you be ok with a macro-like patch being used on your servers? (I'm thinking of an alternative to copy-paste) 17:07:55 <Ammler> he? 17:08:09 <yorick> copy-paste patch is evil, right? 17:08:19 <yorick> people stealing the work of other people and such 17:08:35 <Ammler> we don't need it here, we have dumb players 17:08:45 <Ammler> they copy without patch 17:08:59 <yorick> when there was a patch you kicked people for it :) 17:09:07 <Ammler> yes 17:09:10 <Ammler> might be 17:09:32 <yorick> but the copy-paste patch was nice for automizing repetitive work, at least for me 17:09:43 <Ammler> yep, fine for you on your sp 17:09:58 <Ammler> but I wouldn't like you use it here or on a competive server 17:10:07 <yorick> so my idea was to have a macro-like patch 17:10:12 <Ammler> it is obviously cheating 17:10:30 <yorick> (you press record, build something, press stop, and press play on some other location) 17:10:53 <Ammler> if it does repeat as slow 17:11:04 <Ammler> it might be okish 17:11:18 <Ammler> no, it isn't 17:11:28 <Ammler> but I guess, you can't stop someone using it 17:11:47 <yorick> so you want to change signal direction on a big station. you do the first five platforms, and then press play on the other 20 17:12:21 <Ammler> we don't need that on coop server, that is the whole point of coop :-) 17:12:23 <PublicServer> *** Sylf has left the game (leaving) 17:12:43 <Ammler> you have multiple people so the booring stuff is splitted 17:12:44 <Webster> Latest update from blog: New Member: mfb <http://blog.openttdcoop.org/2011/05/03/new-member-mfb/> 17:13:12 <yorick> but is it cheating? 17:13:15 <Ammler> but I see a lot usage for such a patch in sp 17:13:28 <Ammler> yorick: not here, but on a competive server, of course 17:13:49 <yorick> of course, it wouldn't be client-only 17:13:52 <JamesGo> You can change signal direction along a track, but not across parallel tracks yet 17:14:00 <Ammler> yorick: how can you control that? 17:14:12 <mfb-> allow it for all, maybe 17:14:27 <yorick> Ammler: sending the commands to the server first, which then controls the pasting? 17:14:37 <yorick> replaying* 17:14:56 <yorick> JamesGo: I think there have been patches for that 17:15:13 <mfb-> sylf: :) 17:15:33 <V453000> :) 17:15:39 <Ammler> mfb-: the only fair solution would be to make such a nice patch that is will go to trunk, indeed :-) 17:15:49 <V453000> btw I wouldnt mention the notgate much since that was quite a fail ;ú 17:15:49 <V453000> ;) 17:16:00 <mfb-> it works with the right train 17:16:09 <V453000> yes but it makes no sense 17:16:15 <V453000> or, it is logically wrong :) 17:16:18 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00020C80: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/00020C80.png 17:16:29 <mfb-> it works. only thing I care about at gates 17:17:14 <mfb-> and it works with a precision better than 99,99% without nearly no delay 17:17:34 <mfb-> lower limit, did not see any glitch yet 17:17:59 <yorick> mfb-: double negation? :P 17:18:01 <mfb-> eh... with(!) nearly no delay 17:19:48 <yorick> unfortunately, I'm a bit low on time for the implementation of such a macro system 17:31:19 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0001AFBA: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0001AFBA.png 17:34:42 <planetmaker> yorick, this server is no patch test server ;-) 17:34:59 <planetmaker> especially not for player-cheating patches :-P 17:36:27 <planetmaker> one only learns to build, if you don't just c&p the (good) junction of another person 17:36:38 <planetmaker> and there's not much work which needs c&p here anyway 17:36:45 <planetmaker> or what would need c&p? 17:36:51 <planetmaker> on a rough landscape? 17:36:55 <PublicServer> <mfb> mass logic maybe 17:37:27 <planetmaker> but then one doesn't learn it - same argument again ;-) 17:37:40 <planetmaker> I'd then simply copy an existing logic, that is 17:37:57 <mfb-> you do not learn anything by building the 123. NOT gate or SML-shift 17:38:01 <planetmaker> and not try to understand it. 17:38:12 <planetmaker> mfb-, you and me, maybe. 17:38:36 <mfb-> the important point is "mass" logic 17:38:39 <planetmaker> But... but copying it won't teach either nor really help. A SML is as quick to build as copy 17:38:51 <yorick> planetmaker: I know that, I was just askign ammler about his/her/its ethical opinion 17:39:36 <planetmaker> well... I'll oppose unnecessary patches. You can ask Ammler, he can sing a song of me bitching about too many patches ;-) 17:40:26 <planetmaker> anyway... sports. Catch you laters 17:42:05 <PublicServer> *** mfb has left the game (connection lost) 17:42:21 <Ammler> yorick: well, planetmaker gave you answer too :-) 17:42:29 <Ammler> I was aware of that 17:42:52 <yorick> Ammler: pm seems to be a bit less positive :/ 17:43:01 <PublicServer> *** mfb joined the game 17:43:46 <Ammler> well, he didn't gave you a answer about the patch, just generic answer about patching 17:43:58 <Ammler> ah 17:44:00 <Ammler> no 17:44:05 <Ammler> confused me 17:44:52 <Ammler> the best feature about such a patch is, when it goes to trunk and let server admins disable it 17:45:12 <Ammler> the patch from frostregen had such a feature 17:45:29 <yorick> the frostregen version was easy to circumvent 17:45:35 <Ammler> yep 17:45:37 <yorick> it needs to be a fundamental dependency 17:46:19 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00036AF2: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/00036AF2.png 17:47:31 <Ammler> I mean, think simple, the best patch in that direction is one, which you can disable, then everyone will like it 17:48:23 <Ammler> but it might be hard to implement that 17:49:26 <Ammler> also a record and play might be a nice feature for tutorial game 17:52:01 <yorick> Ammler: please explain about the tutorial part 17:53:23 <Ammler> well, "might" 17:53:57 <Ammler> I didn't think about, if it needs explaination, it might be a bad idea :-P 17:53:58 *** fonsinchen has quit IRC 18:11:29 <ppetak> !password 18:11:29 <PublicServer> ppetak: misers 18:11:50 <PublicServer> *** ppetak joined the game 18:12:05 <PublicServer> *** ppetak has joined spectators 18:12:58 <PublicServer> *** ppetak has left the game (connection lost) 18:21:29 <V453000> !password 18:21:29 <PublicServer> V453000: pillar 18:21:42 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 18:28:06 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 18:28:52 <Chris_Booth> hi all 18:31:59 <Vinnie_nl> !password 18:31:59 <PublicServer> Vinnie_nl: skated 18:32:18 <PublicServer> *** Vinnie joined the game 18:32:21 <PublicServer> <Vinnie> hey 18:34:49 *** Intexon has joined #openttdcoop 18:36:42 <Chris_Booth> how can there be a winner already? 18:36:59 <PublicServer> *** Chris Booth joined the game 18:37:02 <PublicServer> *** 0DM has left the game (leaving) 18:37:54 <PublicServer> *** Chris Booth has left the game (leaving) 18:38:01 <Chris_Booth> not sure if that counts as a winner 18:38:13 <Chris_Booth> but I did like Sylf's plan as much as my own 18:38:55 <Sylf> !screen 18:38:55 <PublicServer> *** Sylf liked to make screenshot of last action, but nobody was working since. (http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/00036AF2.png) 18:39:15 <Sylf> Hmm 18:41:40 *** Chillosophy has joined #openttdcoop 18:44:55 <Vinnie_nl> Sylf 5 CB 2 and Vinnie 6 votes from his imaginairy friends 19:25:41 <Tray> !password 19:25:41 <PublicServer> Tray: tanner 19:25:59 <Tray> !dl win32 19:25:59 <PublicServer> Tray: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r22375/openttd-trunk-r22375-windows-win32.zip 19:28:28 <Tray> !password 19:28:28 <PublicServer> Tray: tanner 19:32:00 <Tray> !password 19:32:00 <PublicServer> Tray: vermin 19:32:18 <PublicServer> *** Tray joined the game 19:35:48 <PublicServer> *** Tray has left the game (leaving) 19:37:17 <PublicServer> *** James has left the game (leaving) 19:46:19 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0000479E: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0000479E.png 19:46:36 <PublicServer> *** Vinnie has left the game (leaving) 19:53:21 *** valhallasw has joined #openttdcoop 20:05:24 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 20:05:40 *** Mucht has quit IRC 20:07:04 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 20:10:32 <Intexon> !password 20:10:32 <PublicServer> Intexon: revels 20:10:44 <PublicServer> *** 1ntexon joined the game 20:10:49 <PublicServer> <1ntexon> hi 20:11:03 <PublicServer> <T. Werkhoven> ello 20:11:15 <Chris_Booth> vote for me 20:11:20 <V453000> lol 20:11:37 <Chris_Booth> I will give you IRC cookies if you vote for me 20:11:45 <PublicServer> <1ntexon> I will not vote at all I think :) 20:11:56 <PublicServer> <1ntexon> I probably won't find time to play anyway 20:12:11 <Chris_Booth> vote for me or sylf 20:12:17 <Chris_Booth> I like sylfs plan aswell 20:12:20 <PublicServer> <T. Werkhoven> please no more campaign promises 20:12:30 <PublicServer> <T. Werkhoven> i delivered enough of those the past few weeks 20:13:18 <Chris_Booth> !dl 20:13:18 <PublicServer> Chris_Booth: !dl autostart|autottd|lin|lin64|osx|ottdau|source|win32|win64|win9x 20:13:18 <PublicServer> Chris_Booth: http://www.openttd.org/en/download-trunk/r22375 20:13:29 <Chris_Booth> !dl autostart 20:13:29 <PublicServer> Chris_Booth: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Autostart 20:14:56 *** valhallasw has quit IRC 20:15:53 <PublicServer> *** 1ntexon has left the game (connection lost) 20:16:03 <Chris_Booth> !dl autottd 20:16:03 <PublicServer> Chris_Booth: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/AutoTTD 20:16:16 <Chris_Booth> !dl autottd 20:16:16 <PublicServer> Chris_Booth: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/AutoTTD 20:16:22 <Chris_Booth> !dl ottdau 20:16:22 <PublicServer> Chris_Booth: http://www.openttdcoop.org/winupdater 20:16:55 <Chris_Booth> sorry for spam 20:19:06 <mfb-> /msg PublicServer text? 20:19:24 *** valhallasw has joined #openttdcoop 20:20:26 <Chris_Booth> could have 20:20:38 <Chris_Booth> or pm PublicServer 20:26:21 <mfb-> same thing 20:33:03 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 20:43:22 <mfb-> 31 years to go :p 20:44:35 <TWerkhoven> shame we can't use the ff button in mp 20:49:26 <Sylf> We can build already if building stage starts 20:50:03 <Sylf> I'm sure we will need more than 31 years to build the original network :) 20:50:03 <mfb-> the network, but no primaries 20:50:08 <mfb-> hmm 20:51:11 <Sylf> 5 bbh, 4 msh, bunch of slh, if my plan actually stands.... 20:53:23 <TWerkhoven> true 20:53:28 <Sylf> Go ahead, prove me wrong! 20:53:28 <Sylf> Mad fast building! 20:53:51 <TWerkhoven> lol 20:54:06 <TWerkhoven> how many ppl are actually here? 20:55:01 <Sylf> I won't be home for another 4-5 hours 21:00:03 *** ODM has quit IRC 21:05:21 *** Twerkhoven[L] has joined #openttdcoop 21:19:05 <PublicServer> *** Chris Booth joined the game 21:19:26 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> Sylf is the winner 21:19:50 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> if you want to start building when he get back 21:19:52 <PublicServer> *** Chris Booth has left the game (leaving) 21:20:53 <Sylf> It'll never start if you wait for me. 21:22:57 <V453000> I guess sylf is right 21:23:30 <PublicServer> *** V453000 joined the game 21:24:03 <V453000> @stage Building 21:24:03 *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG206 (r22375) | STAGE: Building | www.openttdcoop.org | New players, use @quickstart and !help | English only" 21:24:25 <mfb-> hmm.. but not today 21:24:41 *** DayDreamer has quit IRC 21:24:45 <V453000> im leaving in 5 minutes too, but others can :) 21:27:05 <PublicServer> *** T. Werkhoven has left the game (leaving) 21:27:29 <PublicServer> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 21:27:29 <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players) 21:27:57 <PublicServer> *** mfb has left the game (leaving) 21:29:47 <Chris_Booth> <3 it 21:29:51 <Chris_Booth> building starts 21:29:53 <Chris_Booth> everyone leaves 21:30:27 <Twerkhoven[L]> !password 21:30:27 <PublicServer> Twerkhoven[L]: parish 21:30:48 <Twerkhoven[L]> I was just switching pc's, but i seem to have started that yes 21:30:52 <Twerkhoven[L]> :/ 21:31:24 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0003CEDE: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0003CEDE.png 21:31:32 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 21:31:35 <PublicServer> *** twerkhoven joined the game 21:36:00 <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players) 21:36:00 <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 21:36:01 <PublicServer> *** Chris Booth joined the game 21:38:02 <PublicServer> <twerkhoven> ello 21:38:12 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> hi 21:38:18 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> just laying out plan 21:46:24 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 00015B3C: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/00015B3C.png 21:47:07 <PublicServer> *** James joined the game 21:50:43 *** tycoondemon has quit IRC 21:50:56 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> ok that is the rough plan 21:50:59 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> as I see it 21:52:21 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> I am off now 21:52:28 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> if you want to start build feel free 21:52:42 <PublicServer> <twerkhoven> I may just do that 21:53:05 * Twerkhoven[L] hands chris a vodka 21:53:16 <JamesGo> I might try building a small hub this time 21:53:18 *** tycoondemon has joined #openttdcoop 21:54:11 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> yucky 21:54:17 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> what is this vodka? 21:54:20 <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> and where is my tea? 21:54:31 <Twerkhoven[L]> no tea 21:54:41 <Twerkhoven[L]> can give you scotch instead though, or ale 21:55:02 <Chris_Booth> scotch 21:55:04 <Twerkhoven[L]> tea won't be made for another 45mins 21:55:07 <Chris_Booth> only if its oaky 21:55:14 * Twerkhoven[L] poors chris a scotch 21:55:20 <Chris_Booth> no ice please 21:55:46 <Twerkhoven[L]> fair enough 21:55:55 * Twerkhoven[L] adds another measure 21:56:04 <Twerkhoven[L]> you want some james?# 21:56:34 <JamesGo> I'll have the tea please 21:56:34 * Chris_Booth nod head very fast 21:56:42 <Chris_Booth> james wants lots 21:56:47 <Twerkhoven[L]> lol 21:57:04 *** Tray has quit IRC 21:57:21 <Chris_Booth> I love it when I go drinking and someone say I will have a single 21:57:33 <Chris_Booth> and I am like you sure you don't want a double 21:57:37 <Chris_Booth> and they say no 21:57:44 <Chris_Booth> but i get them a double anyway 21:58:32 <Twerkhoven[L]> hehe 21:58:38 <Yexo> how do you call your building style with junctions every 6 tiles or so and all trains synchronized entering those junctions? 21:58:47 <Yexo> there was an island in PSG200 with that style 21:59:08 <Chris_Booth> Yexo: SRNW? 21:59:10 <Chris_Booth> with SML 21:59:25 <Yexo> no, not that 21:59:41 <Chris_Booth> or timmed tight packing? 21:59:47 <Yexo> http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/images/9/9a/PSG200.png area in bottom right 21:59:55 <Vinnie_nl> Yexo that was Logic Island 22:00:27 <Yexo> are there any screenshots of that style on the wiki (or somewhere else)? or do I have to make one myself? 22:00:37 <Chris_Booth> http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/ProZone:Archive_-_Games_11_-_20#gameid_13 22:00:40 <Chris_Booth> Yexo: like that? 22:00:41 <Vinnie_nl> its a unique idea 22:00:59 <Twerkhoven[L]> yexo, you can always download the savegame and load it up 22:01:00 <Vinnie_nl> @PS200 22:01:04 <Twerkhoven[L]> then you can see it in action 22:01:07 <Yexo> Chris_Booth: no 22:01:16 <Chris_Booth> will have to check PSG 200 22:01:18 <Chris_Booth> I missed it 22:01:19 <Yexo> Twerkhoven[L]: I've build part of that game :) 22:01:25 <PublicServer> *** made screenshot at 0001B848: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0001B848.png 22:01:28 <Yexo> I just wanted to link to a screenshot of it in a forum post 22:01:29 <Twerkhoven[L]> ah lol 22:01:37 <Twerkhoven[L]> too much vodka 22:01:42 <Vinnie_nl> then load the game 22:01:47 <PublicServer> *** Chris Booth #1 joined the game 22:01:54 <Yexo> I'll do that 22:01:55 <PublicServer> *** Chris Booth has left the game (leaving) 22:01:58 <Yexo> thanks for the help 22:02:04 <Vinnie_nl> np 22:02:43 <Chris_Booth> which island Yexo? 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