Log for #openttdcoop on 8th June 2011:
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18:15:25  <V453000> !password
18:15:25  <PublicServer> V453000: wavier
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19:26:01  <PublicServer> <V453000> hi
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19:29:01  <PublicServer> <V453000> omg cacti
19:36:53  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> hi V453000
19:36:56  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> what OMG?
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19:37:30  <PublicServer> <V453000> hi
19:37:34  <PublicServer> <V453000> SL 03
19:37:40  <PublicServer> <V453000> cactus plantation x.x
19:37:53  <hylje_> enjoy your cactus far
19:37:54  <hylje_> farm
19:37:59  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> yes that was me :D
19:39:46  <PublicServer> <V453000> why :o
19:40:00  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> hhm which 2 games shall I get? Dead Nation, Rachet & Clank( :S), WipeOut HD, Infamous, Little Big Palnet
19:40:08  <PublicServer> <V453000> no clue dont know either of those
19:40:26  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> just waned to see if they got cut down
19:41:22  <TWerkhoven> the boys like lbp
19:41:33  <TWerkhoven> dont know the others
19:41:58  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> yeah I got LBP and Dead Nation
19:42:05  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> sony are nice
19:43:43  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> how is everyone enjoying IPv6 day?
19:43:53  <PublicServer> <V453000> very happy
19:44:03  <PublicServer> <V453000> (by not having a clue about it)
19:44:11  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> lol
19:44:19  <TWerkhoven> not noticed much
19:44:21  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> it makes no difference to use
19:44:32  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> Twerkhoven you will not
19:44:38  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> unless you have IPv6
19:44:56  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> and even if you have it you will only see and IPv6 logo on some pages
19:45:04  <TWerkhoven> nop i dont
19:45:10  <TWerkhoven> virgin dont do ipv6 yet afaik
19:45:19  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> no they don't
19:45:23  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> and have no plan to
19:45:42  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> only BT lines with ADSL 2+ can get it in the UK
19:45:55  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> and that is if your ISP supply you with the router/modem for it
19:47:22  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> who built a 2nd lumber mill @ Bandar Lampung Lakeside?
19:47:28  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> thats annoying
19:47:34  <PublicServer> <V453000> certainly not me
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19:47:50  <Twerkhoven[L]> not built any lumbermill yet
19:47:51  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00010280:
19:47:51  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> puffft, one will die I hope
19:47:53  <PublicServer> <V453000> but hell, why not
19:47:59  <PublicServer> <V453000> I guess it wont, but lets see
19:50:31  <Twerkhoven[L]> !password
19:50:31  <PublicServer> Twerkhoven[L]: caging
19:51:12  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> I realy fancy a cheese cake right now
19:51:33  <Twerkhoven[L]> we just finished the one my wife made, sorry
19:51:40  <Twerkhoven[L]> otherwise i'd send you a piece
19:51:42  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> is it sad to drive to a supermarket at 9pm to go buy one?
19:52:15  <Twerkhoven[L]> hey i went to tesco the other day at 10:20pm getting kitkat's for the kids
19:52:32  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> aaah thats such a nice thing to do
19:53:26  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> I could walk to the Co-oP or drive to sainsburys (much better cheesecake)
19:53:43  <Twerkhoven[L]> no asda/morrisons near?
19:53:46  <PublicServer> <V453000> beercakes only here
19:54:20  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> yes We have 1 ASDA 2 Morrisons 2 Tesco and 2 Sainsbury within 15 mins
19:54:49  <Twerkhoven[L]> 3/1/2/0 here
19:55:04  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> its crazy how many there are in 1 city
19:55:08  <Twerkhoven[L]> but theres a lidle
19:55:18  <Twerkhoven[L]> depends on how big the city is
19:55:36  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> ooh when you get to cheap german super markets I loose count of Lidl Netto and Aldi
19:55:52  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> plymouth would be about 200-300k I guess
19:57:07  * Twerkhoven[L] has no idea how big Falkirk is
19:57:08  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> when I go to london though it is impossible to get to a supermarket in less than 30 mins
19:57:49  <Chris_Booth> TWerkhoven34,570
19:57:52  <Chris_Booth> very small
19:58:18  <Twerkhoven[L]> only 34k?
19:58:21  <Chris_Booth> what is a Dutch person doing in Scotland?
19:58:34  <Twerkhoven[L]> dokkum was like 18k, and that was a lot smaller
19:58:49  <Twerkhoven[L]> living with my gf->wife
19:58:56  <Chris_Booth> an overall population of 145,191 and includes nearby towns of Grangemouth, Larbert and Stenhousemuir.
19:59:15  <Twerkhoven[L]> that makes sense, larbert and stennie are pretty much the same town
19:59:41  <Chris_Booth> so I guess you have an oversized urban area to account for smaller town around that have fuck all
20:00:14  <Twerkhoven[L]> meh
20:01:54  <Twerkhoven[L]> wife makes lovely cupcakes/cheesecake/pavlova/cookies/tablet/loads of other stuff
20:02:11  <Chris_Booth> I am now moving into your house
20:02:17  <PublicServer> <V453000> :D
20:02:19  <PublicServer> <V453000> whether you like it or not
20:02:22  <Twerkhoven[L]> lol
20:02:36  <Chris_Booth> yes you have no choice in this matter
20:02:51  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0001287E:
20:03:02  <Twerkhoven[L]> you can pay the mortgage then, we're running a bit short
20:03:15  <Chris_Booth> I will pay rent of up to £12k a year for unlimited cakes
20:03:32  <Chris_Booth> that will still leave me enough money to drive to plymouth everyday to work XD
20:03:38  <Chris_Booth> 600 mile commute
20:03:39  <Twerkhoven[L]> that works
20:03:44  <Twerkhoven[L]> 500/month
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20:04:04  <Twerkhoven[L]> thats enough to cover the mortgage
20:04:07  <V453000> !password
20:04:07  <PublicServer> V453000: creamy
20:04:18  <Chris_Booth> no sure if 18K would cover 1200 miles a day in petrol for my focus ST
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20:04:27  * Twerkhoven[L] drives diesel
20:04:35  <Chris_Booth> where is the fun in that?
20:04:43  <Chris_Booth> you get like 50 mpg
20:04:48  <Chris_Booth> I get 14 when I am lucky
20:04:53  <Twerkhoven[L]> 45, its an l-reg citroen
20:05:11  <Twerkhoven[L]> currently 37, but im not really going outside the town with it
20:05:13  <Chris_Booth> thats still 3x what I get
20:05:33  <Chris_Booth> when I drive on the motorway it get close to 20
20:05:46  <Chris_Booth> but I have never got anything near what is supposed to get 25
20:05:57  <Twerkhoven[L]> i think i could drive the activa better than that
20:06:12  <Twerkhoven[L]> 2.0turbo petrol, active anti-roll, very nice to drive
20:06:28  <Twerkhoven[L]> borrowed it off a friend once when one of our cars was down
20:06:49  <Chris_Booth> but is it orange with black wheels?
20:06:58  <Twerkhoven[L]> silver with silver alloys
20:07:02  <Twerkhoven[L]> but its got a spoiler
20:07:18  <Chris_Booth> see there is the issue its not orange with black wheels
20:07:31  <Twerkhoven[L]> and i could probably get one and paint it orange/black cheaper than you bought your focus st for
20:07:35  <Chris_Booth> I wanted the RS but that was way to much money
20:07:49  <Chris_Booth> couldn't get finance on the RS
20:07:54  <Chris_Booth> or afford the insurance
20:08:23  <Twerkhoven[L]> activa would be about 400quid, add 400 for the repais the anti-roll system needs, and however much it is for a respray
20:08:55  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> I was also thinking one day soon I am going to have to stop buying things I don't need and plan for a future
20:09:00  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> but who does that realy?
20:09:56  <Chris_Booth> found one on pistonhead for 600
20:09:57  <Webster> Title: Citroen : ACTIVA 2.0 TURBO (at
20:10:25  <Chris_Booth> its an R reg and it looked Mint
20:10:32  <Chris_Booth> got sold quick though
20:11:39  <Chris_Booth> my plan looks like a really bad idea when it works out to be 360,000 miles a year
20:11:49  <Twerkhoven[L]> why not put gas in
20:11:59  <Twerkhoven[L]> for when you need some cheaper miles
20:12:03  <Chris_Booth> might have to look at getting a job in Scotland before I invade your house
20:12:42  <Twerkhoven[L]> good luck
20:12:45  <Chris_Booth> gas is heavy and would mean loosing A) the spare wheel , or be about 50% of the boot
20:13:22  <Chris_Booth> also not sure what it would do to the cars performance
20:13:49  <Twerkhoven[L]> nothing much, and you can still run it on petrol instead
20:14:05  <Chris_Booth> I would look silly if I tried to race someone in a 230 hp car and lost as gas reduced the power
20:14:21  <Twerkhoven[L]> how much hp do you have?
20:14:34  <Chris_Booth> think is 225hp stock
20:14:48  <Chris_Booth> 57 plate Focus ST 3
20:15:13  <Twerkhoven[L]> weight?
20:15:19  <Chris_Booth> not a clue
20:15:33  <Chris_Booth> I don't know that much
20:15:50  <Chris_Booth> all I know is it quick off the line and goes 150 mph
20:15:55  <Twerkhoven[L]> hmm, i may have to upgrade my diesel
20:16:26  <Twerkhoven[L]> theres someone that actually managed to squeeze 200hp from a 90hp non-commonrail diesel engine, same as i have
20:16:38  <Chris_Booth> wow that is insane
20:16:48  <Chris_Booth> must have boosted the shit out of the turbo
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20:17:06  <Twerkhoven[L]> and ported the head, used diff pistonrods...
20:17:35  <Twerkhoven[L]> the 2.0 turbo mentioned above is uprated from 150 to 220 easily enough
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20:18:14  <Chris_Booth> not worth it though for me
20:18:51  <Chris_Booth> I am sure that the 2.5 turbo in the ST could get over 300hp, but being 21 with 6 points on my licence cost me 3K to insure my car now
20:19:12  <Chris_Booth> imagine what the insurance company would do if I said it was running 300hp
20:19:21  <Twerkhoven[L]> ouch
20:19:43  * Twerkhoven[L] has no points
20:20:10  <Twerkhoven[L]> though i did get a few speeding tickets in the netherlands, but they didnt do points there then
20:20:13  <Chris_Booth> I got 6 Xmas 2009
20:20:29  <Chris_Booth> for going 99.3mpg on the M4
20:20:36  <Chris_Booth> when there was alot of snow
20:20:45  <Chris_Booth> and only 2/4 lanes where open
20:21:12  <Chris_Booth> which I think is a fair catch since I know I was going faster but a car pulled out infront of me so I was slowing down
20:21:30  <V453000> !password
20:21:30  <PublicServer> V453000: creamy
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20:22:20  <Twerkhoven[L]> i was doing like 53kmh where 50 was allowed, and theres gofast cameras all over the junctions there
20:22:36  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> thats nothing
20:22:48  <planetmaker> that's cheap and you'll probably not get mail
20:22:58  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> police in the UK don't bother until 10% + 3 MPH
20:23:09  <Twerkhoven[L]> it was after correction
20:23:16  <Twerkhoven[L]> so no, nothing serious
20:23:31  <Twerkhoven[L]> like i said, i drive diesel, always have, prossibly always will
20:23:46  <Twerkhoven[L]> still had to pay though
20:23:48  <Chris_Booth> you can generaly get away with 130 km/h on the motorway here when the limit is 117
20:24:12  <Chris_Booth> was that in the UK?
20:24:17  <Twerkhoven[L]> no, netherlands
20:24:23  <Twerkhoven[L]> not got anything over here yet
20:24:35  <Twerkhoven[L]> only recently changed my license for a british one actually
20:25:05  <Twerkhoven[L]> been livin here for nearly 5 years
20:25:05  <Chris_Booth> ooh you have a prity pink one now then
20:25:14  <Twerkhoven[L]> the dutch one was already pink
20:25:21  <Twerkhoven[L]> pink paper foldout
20:25:46  <Chris_Booth> ooh thats breaking the law, if you live in the UK more than 6 months you are by law obliged to get a UK driving licence
20:26:05  <Chris_Booth> pink paper fold out + pink photocard here
20:26:13  <Twerkhoven[L]> yet i can drive my dutch car for a year on this side
20:26:15  <Chris_Booth> well you know that as you have one now :P
20:26:57  <Chris_Booth> you lucky you are a law abiding citizen and didn't do anything silly
20:27:44  <Twerkhoven[L]> i also drove down the german autobahn at the cars top speed
20:27:50  <Twerkhoven[L]> 110mph or something
20:28:06  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> I did that last year in my old 2.0TD megan
20:28:16  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> got 147 out of it according to my tomtom
20:28:30  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> given that was down abit of a hill
20:28:36  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> but it still counts :D
20:28:58  <Twerkhoven[L]> hehe
20:29:52  <Chris_Booth> that was on the autobahn from Strasbourg to Basel
20:30:02  <Chris_Booth> or Basle
20:30:05  <Chris_Booth> that swiss city
20:30:11  <Chris_Booth> not sure how it is spelt
20:30:37  <Chris_Booth> might even have some funky á or é in it
20:30:41  <Twerkhoven[L]> hehe
20:32:15  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> I will get to take my new car to the max if I wish to when I drive to Insbruck in the summer to see my sister
20:32:40  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> not sure if I am brave enough to go to 155mph though
20:32:42  <Twerkhoven[L]> don't get any tickets, as you have to pay cash when abroad
20:32:49  <Twerkhoven[L]> at least in the nl afaik
20:32:52  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00013C84:
20:33:04  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> don't go in NL
20:33:16  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> france belgum german austria
20:34:08  <Chris_Booth> was looking 2 routes one Via Lille and one Via Brussels
20:34:47  <Chris_Booth> they both could be bad as they are not properly bypassed cities
20:34:55  <Chris_Booth> lilles roads look worse
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20:35:29  <Chris_Booth> but I know for a fact that no one in Belgium ever learned how to lay a road properly
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20:40:40  <Chris_Booth> bye V453000
20:40:50  <V453000> cya :)
20:41:59  <Chris_Booth> I should have been playing more attention
20:42:42  <Twerkhoven[L]> cya V
20:43:53  <Chris_Booth> I am not going :P
20:44:05  <Chris_Booth> was just saying would have been nice for a bye
20:46:21  <Chris_Booth>
20:46:22  <Webster> Title: Falkirk Wheel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at
20:46:28  <Chris_Booth> Falkirk looks quite cool
20:47:15  <Chris_Booth> is it close to any skiing TWerkhoven?
20:47:53  <Twerkhoven[L]> theres a ski-slope in grangemouth actually
20:48:00  <Twerkhoven[L]> no snow though
20:50:00  <Chris_Booth> lol
20:51:18  <Twerkhoven[L]> just one of those fake things
20:51:50  <Chris_Booth> I think only skiing left is in Aviemore
20:51:55  <Chris_Booth> but there maybe more left
20:55:10  <Twerkhoven[L]> theres a steamtrain though
20:55:39  <Chris_Booth> ooh heritage railways plus a cool canal lift
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20:55:54  <Chris_Booth> looks like a giant win
20:55:55  <Twerkhoven[L]> and dont forget stirling and edinburgh castles
20:56:28  <Chris_Booth> how cold does it get in the winter?
20:56:41  <Twerkhoven[L]> last couple of winters i was kneedeep in snow
20:56:45  <Twerkhoven[L]> im 6'5 btw
20:57:31  <Chris_Booth> 6'5 thats tall
20:57:37  <Chris_Booth> in only 6'1
20:57:46  <Chris_Booth> your 10cm taller than I am
20:59:13  <Twerkhoven[L]> :)
21:00:22  <Chris_Booth> must have nice clean air up there
21:01:40  <Chris_Booth> Twerkhoven[L]: do you highlight yourself every time you chat?
21:01:45  <Twerkhoven[L]> nop
21:01:52  <Twerkhoven[L]> no highlights at all
21:02:08  <Twerkhoven[L]> if im not paying attention, its because im busy elsewhere
21:02:49  <Chris_Booth[LP]> if I type here
21:02:53  <Chris_Booth> it bings here
21:03:52  <JamesGo> ^^ The Falkirk wheel is cool :)
21:04:03  * Twerkhoven[L] hands cb some earplugs
21:04:22  <Chris_Booth> might have to add some sort of exception
21:04:28  <Chris_Booth> or turn my speakers off
21:04:32  <JamesGo> Sorry I haven't been playing recently, I'll play on Wednesday
21:04:38  <Chris_Booth> and go sit on the sofa with my laptop
21:04:54  <Chris_Booth> JamesGo: you from Falkirk?
21:05:00  <Chris_Booth> you just see my wiki link?
21:05:20  <JamesGo> No, but I watched a television programme about canals
21:05:40  <Chris_Booth> how cool are you!
21:06:22  <JamesGo> It takes hardly any energy to rotate the wheel because the weights are so well-balanced
21:07:32  <Chris_Booth> that is quite a cool fact
21:09:06  <Twerkhoven[L]> :)
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21:09:50  <Chris_Booth> Twerkhoven[L]: since you have LBP I assume you know the sony is giving all PSN user 2 free games
21:09:55  <Chris_Booth> and 1 month free PSN plus?
21:10:13  <Twerkhoven[L]> yes
21:10:20  <Twerkhoven[L]> dunno what he downloaded though
21:10:28  <Twerkhoven[L]> i dont play the ps3 or xbox much
21:10:55  <Chris_Booth> nor do I
21:11:05  <Chris_Booth> just got mine out for the first time in 3 months today
21:11:17  <Twerkhoven[L]> they are mostly to keep the kids occupied
21:11:24  <Chris_Booth> as I stumbled on this sony website with this blog
21:11:40  <Chris_Booth> I like my 360 more
21:29:15  * Mazur has never even had a console of any kind.
21:29:29  <Mazur> I had a ZX spectrum once.
21:29:49  <Mazur> And the neighbour kid got all these games he and his friends hacked.
21:30:27  <Mazur> Jet Pack, Police Quest, Manic Miner, adn so on...
21:30:48  <Mazur> Jet Set Willy.
21:31:02  <Mazur> Those wre the days....
21:39:04  <Chris_Booth[LP]> yes Mazur the days befor I was even born
21:40:25  <Mazur> I'm not your daddy, am I?
21:40:50  <Chris_Booth> not unless you are at least 40
21:41:49  <Mazur> Yes?
21:41:55  <Twerkhoven[L]> lol
21:42:06  <Chris_Booth> then you are old enough to be my dad
21:42:08  <Mazur> 8 to spare.
21:42:15  <Chris_Booth> but 99% sure you are not
21:42:19  <Mazur> Son!
21:42:21  <Mazur> Ah
21:42:31  <Mazur> Tank Z80A for that.
21:42:33  <Chris_Booth> my dad wouldn't even know how to use and IRC client
21:42:35  <Mazur> +h
21:42:56  <Mazur> I used on back in the late eighties.
21:42:58  <Mazur> one
21:43:09  <Mazur> ircII
21:43:15  <Mazur> Pure texct based.
21:43:18  <Mazur> -c
21:43:25  <Mazur> With a script, of course.
21:43:50  <Chris_Booth> in your left time you may get to see the Birth and death of the internet
21:43:55  <Chris_Booth> if we run out of IPv4
21:44:26  <Mazur> IPv6 will have taken over by then.
21:44:44  <Mazur> Shouold give us a few years more.
21:44:45  <Chris_Booth> not sure they think there is 6 month of IPv4 address left
21:45:09  <Chris_Booth> for asia it may be less
21:45:20  <Mazur> Death of the 'net predicted, Film at 11.
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22:07:53  <NCommander> afternoon all
22:16:08  <planetmaker> hi NCommander
22:17:02  <NCommander> hola planetmaker. I stumbled on you via google and am interested in cooperative openttd :-)
22:18:58  <planetmaker> I guess you're at the right place then :-) welcome
22:19:45  <planetmaker> @quickstart
22:19:46  <Webster> Quickstart - #openttdcoop Wiki -
22:19:53  <planetmaker> might give a short introduction ;-)
22:20:02  <planetmaker> @slowstart might take longer :-P
22:20:02  <Webster> Read everything on the wiki, and I mean everything
22:20:11  <NCommander> Already been reading through it
22:20:57  <planetmaker> :-)
22:20:59  <NCommander> One thing I've noticed is that it seems games in general still only use unit trains of one (or in the case of farms) two types of cars
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22:21:31  <NCommander> I realize that OpenTTD's facilities for loading and unloading cargo are a bit limited :-/
22:22:38  <planetmaker> in what way?
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22:23:14  <NCommander> You can't easily get OpenTTD to do things like "If load is %100 percent, go directory to factory/power planet/etc.)
22:23:28  <NCommander> There are some logic statements in orders with the latest versoins, but they're still quite limited
22:23:48  <NCommander> It just always bugs me to see unit trains exist everywhere
22:23:55  <planetmaker> you can use "if load% = whatever goto whereever"
22:24:26  <NCommander> Right, but you have to put that statement in after each stop unless that's been changed
22:24:33  <NCommander> (I haven't played OpenTTD in almost a year :-/)
22:25:08  <KenjiE20> NCommander: you should see our refit games :p
22:25:32  <NCommander> refit?
22:25:48  * NCommander unfortunately has a non-x86 machine I play OpenTTD so I need to copy SVN when I want to get in
22:25:53  <NCommander> Makes it a bit hard to look at the saves
22:26:07  <KenjiE20> refit trains to other cargo, so they aren't being 50% empty :)
22:26:33  <NCommander> KenjiE20: oh, that I know about, but then you get money vanishing
22:26:45  <KenjiE20> we have money?
22:26:49  <KenjiE20> XD
22:27:04  <NCommander> Well, we could just patch the economy to make money == infinite
22:27:13  <NCommander> But then we'd be resembling the US government a bit too much ;-)
22:27:16  <KenjiE20> meh
22:27:16  * NCommander ducks
22:27:19  <planetmaker> NCommander, how does compiling yourself make it hard to look at saves?
22:27:25  <planetmaker> openttd can always read old savegames
22:27:31  <KenjiE20> making money is so easy
22:27:36  <NCommander> planetmaker: cause theres a warning saying its not forward compatible all the time
22:27:43  <planetmaker> ?
22:28:08  <NCommander> The wiki says that OpenTTD doesn't always maintain forward compatilbility
22:28:20  <planetmaker> yes forward. But complete backward compatibility
22:28:27  <NCommander> oh
22:28:30  <NCommander> bah
22:28:43  * NCommander should probably disclaim he hasn't slept in awhile and is just geting off $WORK
22:29:19  * planetmaker is in office...
22:29:36  <planetmaker> but should sleep :S
22:29:38  <NCommander> planetmaker: so the other question is about prios. Isn't that an abuse of the pathfinder, or is there something else going on that I'm not seeing
22:29:58  <KenjiE20> the heck are you doing in the office still pm?
22:29:58  <planetmaker> prios don't abuse the PF but the signal logic of block signals
22:30:11  <planetmaker> KenjiE20, plots
22:30:17  <planetmaker> for a meeting tomorrow
22:30:26  <planetmaker> rather today :S
22:30:28  <KenjiE20> ouch
22:30:31  * NCommander mutters something about workarounds and necessary evil
22:30:33  <NCommander> :-)
22:30:43  <KenjiE20> raiding the coffee machine then?
22:30:52  <planetmaker> tea pot. But yes ;-)
22:30:57  <KenjiE20> hehe good man
22:31:11  * NCommander had a coffee IV at his lsat job :-/
22:31:33  <KenjiE20> "If I'm here till stupid o'clock, by hell I'm gonna drain the place of caffeine"
22:31:34  <NCommander> The joys of rebuilding the exchange server and finding out the head IS guy in charge of backups never bothered to test restores
22:33:20  <NCommander> I guess I should probably grab the client and log into the public server, no?
22:35:33  <NCommander> !dl lin64
22:35:33  <PublicServer> NCommander:
22:35:45  <planetmaker> !dl autostart
22:35:45  <PublicServer> planetmaker:
22:36:13  <NCommander> handy
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22:45:05  <NCommander> /home/mcasadevall/games/autostart/
22:45:09  <NCommander> /home/mcasadevall/games/autostart/ error: ‘WC_EXTRA_VIEW_PORT’ was not declared in this scope
22:45:18  <NCommander> Oh, the joys of cutting edge development
22:49:39  <planetmaker> you must have a funny config...
22:51:12  <NCommander> No, one the patches in autostart failed to apply
22:51:30  <planetmaker> you can remove all patches, I guess
22:51:47  <NCommander> No, in this case I need it because it adds the necessary includes to
22:52:24  <NCommander> actually, a lot of the patches got rejected ...
22:52:34  <planetmaker> the whole thing should work w/o patches.
22:52:48  <planetmaker> Edit autostart's cfg such that you don't use a patch
22:53:02  <planetmaker> in config/ps.conf or so
22:53:29  <planetmaker> I guess the supplied patches have not been updated in like eons
22:54:49  <NCommander> I just grabbed the amd64 nightly binary since this laotp is sane. my ARM netbook presents an issue :-/
22:55:10  <planetmaker> it should compile there, though. afaik
22:55:25  <NCommander> I can sit down and fix the patches if you can commit them
22:55:38  <NCommander> Some of these patche sseem useful in general
22:55:49  <planetmaker> which are they, I don't recall
22:56:01  <NCommander> town_rating, stuck_trains, etc.
22:56:05  <NCommander> I'll putting them in quilt
22:56:25  <planetmaker> uh... they should not be in there as default
22:57:11  <NCommander> Its applying them by default ...
22:57:21  <planetmaker> yes. it shouldn't do that
22:57:53  * NCommander tries deleting them all and building
22:58:30  <planetmaker> of course you could update them, but by default autostart should not depend on many, if any at all, patches
22:58:35  <planetmaker> too much maintenance work
23:03:17  <NCommander> if I delete all the diffs, it just works
23:03:55  <NCommander> !password
23:03:55  <PublicServer> NCommander: demote
23:04:04  <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players)
23:04:05  <PublicServer> *** NCommander joined the game
23:04:33  <planetmaker> <NCommander> if I delete all the diffs, it just works <-- that's why I was so surprised. That's how it's supposed to work
23:04:45  <planetmaker> the diffs sound like 12 month old or so
23:04:49  <planetmaker> at least ;-)
23:05:17  <NCommander> lot of very small trains
23:06:32  <NCommander> wow
23:06:42  <NCommander> lot of new features in openttd like the in-game dependency chart
23:06:56  <planetmaker> yup. that's very handy
23:07:00  <PublicServer> <NCommander> I have no idea how I would even begin to help
23:07:22  <planetmaker> i haven't looked at this particular map... so I don't know either :-)
23:07:56  <PublicServer> <NCommander> there are some serious crazy junctions
23:08:14  <planetmaker> !screen
23:08:14  <PublicServer> *** planetmaker liked to make screenshot of last action, but nobody was working since. (
23:08:51  <planetmaker> looks like logic network ;-)
23:08:55  <planetmaker> that _is_ insane
23:09:30  <planetmaker> built by people who build an ALU with trains and signals within this game ;-)
23:10:34  * NCommander twiches
23:10:58  <NCommander> I guess that means openttd is turning complete
23:11:39  <PublicServer> <NCommander> no monorails or maglevs ... that's kinda unique
23:12:57  <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players)
23:12:59  <PublicServer> <NCommander> I absolute <3 the NewGRF stations. Now I really want to play :-P
23:12:59  <PublicServer> *** Chris Booth joined the game
23:13:01  <PublicServer> <NCommander> hey
23:13:24  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> hay
23:13:48  <PublicServer> <NCommander> I'm new here, just examining the marvel ...
23:14:00  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> this is a nice map
23:14:10  <PublicServer> <NCommander> I have no idea how I could help build it
23:14:20  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> that is what most new people
23:14:27  <PublicServer> * NCommander has generally been one of those weird people who doesn't like unit trains, and likes road vechiles :-)
23:14:35  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> but after one or 2 game people get used to it
23:15:17  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> there are something in coop you just need a accept work
23:15:23  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> and rebuild them
23:15:45  <PublicServer> <NCommander> rebuild?
23:15:52  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> yes, copy
23:16:02  <PublicServer> <NCommander> ah
23:16:20  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> have you played any games like this befor?
23:16:28  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> or looked in the archives?
23:16:34  <PublicServer> <NCommander> Not yet
23:16:42  <PublicServer> <NCommander> Just got OpenTTD working about 10 minutes ago
23:17:08  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> wow you are fast to this server here then
23:17:14  <PublicServer> <NCommander> ?
23:17:16  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> I am sure you will fit right in here then
23:17:22  <PublicServer> <NCommander> I've played OpenTTD before
23:17:40  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> ooh you just got this server working
23:17:47  <PublicServer> <NCommander> just usually get bored or real life flairs up. Generally only liked it when playing with friends since the social aspect vanishs on most multi
23:17:57  <PublicServer> <NCommander> Well, I have the *joy* of compiling OpenTTD from source ;-).
23:17:59  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> i though you where like just visited the openttd website 10 mins ago
23:18:15  <PublicServer> <NCommander> Oh, no, I've played before. Quite a bit actually
23:18:37  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> I gave up self compiling
23:18:44  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> get annoying after a while
23:18:54  <PublicServer> <NCommander> Kinda hard when you don't have binaries for your platform
23:19:00  <PublicServer> <NCommander> My main systems are ARM processor based
23:19:03  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> what platform do you use?
23:19:18  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> your main system is a phone?
23:19:20  <PublicServer> <NCommander> My main latop is amd64. My netbook is armel
23:19:22  <PublicServer> <NCommander> Nope
23:19:45  <PublicServer> <NCommander> I work on Ubuntu  on ARM for $JOB. I do quite a bit of dogfooding. Sometimes it causes indigestion ;-)
23:20:15  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> aah, well you will not be able to run this server on a arm processor anyway
23:20:25  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> it is way to CPU hungry
23:20:35  <PublicServer> <NCommander> I have a 1 GHz dual-core Tegra2
23:20:45  <PublicServer> <NCommander> OpenTTD isn't THAT CPU intesive
23:20:47  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> it is
23:20:58  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> I have a 3 ghz intel i7 here
23:21:06  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> and it often uses 80% of one core
23:21:08  <PublicServer> <NCommander> ooh, shiny
23:21:14  <PublicServer> <NCommander> point taken
23:21:24  <PublicServer> <NCommander> might as well try and laugh
23:21:34  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> ooh that was taken out
23:21:36  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> meh
23:21:46  <PublicServer> <NCommander> as was that
23:21:49  <PublicServer> <NCommander> (I guess)
23:21:55  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> I was going to unpause and see if you managed to keep up
23:21:57  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> not usre
23:21:58  <NCommander> !unpause
23:21:58  <PublicServer> NCommander: you must be channel op to use !unpause
23:22:01  <NCommander> ah
23:22:14  <PublicServer> *** Chris Booth has enabled autopause mode.
23:22:32  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> it used to work here
23:22:46  <PublicServer> <NCommander> probably a regex broke
23:22:48  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> but I think it was disabled after what I did last game
23:22:51  <PublicServer> *** NCommander has joined company #1
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23:23:01  <PublicServer> <NCommander> Well that did it
23:23:09  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> any lag?
23:23:19  <PublicServer> <NCommander> I'm on my amd64 box
23:23:26  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> lol well then you should be fine
23:23:32  <PublicServer> <NCommander> 64-bit Dual Core + 8 GiB RAM
23:23:38  <PublicServer> <NCommander> yay for overpowered laptops
23:23:56  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> never had AMD in a laptop
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23:24:10  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> had on in my last desktop and it was shite
23:24:25  <PublicServer> <NCommander> Its an intel processor. AMD pioneered the 64-bit instructions so a lot of things that are x86_64 are referred to as amd64
23:24:55  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> ooh I call x86)64 just x64
23:24:58  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> I am lazy like that
23:25:04  <PublicServer> <NCommander> They're all valid
23:25:14  <PublicServer> <NCommander> *is trying to wrap his mind around this mammoth*
23:25:21  <PublicServer> <NCommander> its amazing
23:25:31  <PublicServer> <NCommander> ... and someone implemented an ALU in OpenTTD
23:25:37  <PublicServer> <NCommander> That scares me.
23:25:41  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> yes they did
23:25:51  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> that can be found on
23:26:01  <PublicServer> <NCommander> Guess one can say OpenTTD is turning complete :-)
23:26:03  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> in one of the logic forums
23:26:41  <planetmaker> arch would then call it still x86_64 probably
23:27:03  <PublicServer> <NCommander> x86_64 is the neutral way of referring to it, but AMD64 existed for almost a year and change before Intel finally annouced something
23:27:25  <planetmaker> well... as compiler option it might matter ;-)
23:27:28  <PublicServer> <NCommander> I simply call it amd64 out of habit since thats what Debian and Ubuntu (and Windows (internally)) refer it to as
23:27:50  <PublicServer> <NCommander> I'll be honest when I say I still don't really get how prios work on an internal sense
23:28:00  <planetmaker> my full builds have i386, ppc and x86_64 in one fat binary :-P
23:28:09  <planetmaker> for added fun also ppc64
23:28:22  <PublicServer> <NCommander> Pfft. I remember NeXTStep
23:28:28  <PublicServer> <NCommander> HPPA, SPARC, m68k, and i386 in one binary
23:28:50  <planetmaker> you remember that. OpenTTD nightly compiles those three I mentioned ;-)
23:29:00  <PublicServer> <NCommander> Ah
23:29:11  <PublicServer> <NCommander> *is reading on the wiki about transfer stations
23:29:16  <Chris_Booth>
23:29:17  <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums View topic - Logic with logic trains (at
23:29:21  <Chris_Booth> ALU can be found there
23:29:27  <planetmaker> ./configure --enable-universal="i386 x86_64 ppc ppc64" && make
23:29:44  <planetmaker> now guess my platform :-P
23:29:58  <PublicServer> <NCommander> Mac OS X 10.5
23:30:00  <Chris_Booth> you are an OSx user
23:30:09  <Chris_Booth> I would say snow leopard
23:30:26  <Chris_Booth> not sure what OSx that was 10.6.x
23:30:26  <planetmaker> well, my OSX is newer. But I have all SDKs since 10.3.9
23:30:32  <PublicServer> <NCommander> Oh right
23:30:46  <Chris_Booth> you may even run the lion dev build
23:31:04  <planetmaker> not yet. I'm not willing to pay 100$US a year for that
23:31:12  <Chris_Booth> nor was I
23:31:20  <Chris_Booth> but some people maybe
23:31:50  <planetmaker> I'm not exactly happy about osx 10.7 only being available as online upgrade...
23:32:14  <planetmaker> I'd prefer to buy it in a store and install it on a new hdd...
23:32:29  <Chris_Booth> really, wow didn't know they where only making the dmgs online
23:32:41  <planetmaker> that's what I read they'll do
23:32:42  <Chris_Booth> I would much rather a retail disk
23:33:01  <Chris_Booth> make it easier for my hacking tosh
23:33:11  <planetmaker> and I wonder of how much of the API I'll need to fix... :S
23:34:01  <PublicServer> <NCommander> I think I get enough to try making a change, although some things greatly confuse me like the Boyoliali Transfer
23:34:11  <PublicServer> <NCommander> (although without more people around, no changes for me)
23:34:19  <Chris_Booth> I will probably give 10.7 a miss until I can upgrade both my hackintosh and my Mac desktop
23:34:50  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> Boyolali Transfer is easy
23:35:12  <PublicServer> <NCommander> I see how its setup, I don't understand why
23:35:30  <PublicServer> <NCommander> argh, bloody
23:35:39  <PublicServer> <NCommander> How do I change the default options on a permament basis?
23:35:52  <PublicServer> <NCommander> (thats editing openttd.cfg, isn't it :-/)
23:36:08  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> yes
23:36:15  <planetmaker> usually not needed
23:36:22  <planetmaker> edit the settings from the main menu
23:36:33  <planetmaker> then they're saved upon exit
23:36:39  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> ooh realy
23:36:49  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> can you do it while in a server?
23:36:55  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> or just from title screen?
23:37:02  <planetmaker> no. main menu = title screen
23:37:08  <PublicServer> <NCommander> brb then
23:37:14  <PublicServer> *** NCommander has left the game (leaving)
23:37:14  <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players)
23:37:21  <Chris_Booth> doesn't bother me I have one cfg for all
23:37:28  <Chris_Booth> just copy it to where I need it
23:37:32  <planetmaker> so do I....
23:37:35  <PublicServer> *** Chris Booth has left the game (leaving)
23:37:50  <Chris_Booth> I even tryed to run just 1 directory
23:37:56  <Chris_Booth> but that got to complex
23:38:15  <Chris_Booth> so I thought 3 was enough
23:38:24  <Chris_Booth> stable, nighlty, branch
23:38:39  <planetmaker> as long as my hdd is not full ;-)
23:38:47  <Chris_Booth> lol
23:38:55  <planetmaker> I've got many releases, a few dev clones and trunk
23:39:38  <Chris_Booth> I was thinking of putting all of my openttd files on my server, so I didn't need them on my laptop
23:39:55  <Chris_Booth> but not sure if I can run openttd.exe over the net
23:40:41  <Chris_Booth> might have to try it with my VPN next time I go home
23:40:46  <NCommander> !password
23:40:46  <PublicServer> NCommander: brunch
23:40:56  <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players)
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23:41:00  <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players)
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23:42:39  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> planetmaker would it be possible to make a new GRF that plants trees?
23:42:48  <planetmaker> no
23:43:09  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> then I will not bother thinking about that one anymore
23:43:35  <planetmaker> it's only possible to make a grf which cuts trees ;-)
23:44:00  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> that doesn't help me with my lumbermill idea
23:44:01  <planetmaker> i.e. an industry with lumberjack behaviour
23:44:29  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> I could make an AI to plant trees
23:44:36  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> but it would keep going bankrupt
23:44:43  <planetmaker> so what?
23:44:51  <PublicServer> *** NCommander has left the game (leaving)
23:44:51  <PublicServer> *** Game paused (number of players)
23:44:59  <PublicServer> *** Chris Booth has left the game (leaving)
23:45:11  <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players)
23:45:12  <Chris_Booth> it would annoy me having it load every 9 months
23:45:13  <PublicServer> *** NCommander joined the game
23:45:21  <PublicServer> <NCommander> sorry
23:45:26  <Chris_Booth> unless I cheated money in
23:45:38  <Chris_Booth> NCommander I am not realy playing
23:45:48  <PublicServer> <NCommander> no, for causing IRC spam
23:46:02  <planetmaker> ?
23:46:20  <PublicServer> <NCommander> when I bounced openttd, I caused a ton of messages to dump itno the channel
23:46:37  <Chris_Booth> that happens when anyone joins or leaves
23:46:40  <Chris_Booth> its normal
23:46:54  <PublicServer> <NCommander> I know, but it still should be avoided if possible
23:46:59  <Chris_Booth> you want to Spam IRC write SirSpamaBot
23:47:27  <planetmaker> in these cases it's quite ok
23:47:48  <planetmaker> Unless someone goes in the direction of DOS-ing the server by repetitive joins ;-)
23:47:53  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00010CBC:
23:47:55  <PublicServer> <NCommander> it would be nice if there was a way to get priority set without requiring pri tracks
23:48:06  <PublicServer> <NCommander> I'm on a HSPA connection, I could do that inadverantly :-/
23:48:59  <Chris_Booth> to DOS a server you would need 100's of join/leave in a second
23:49:10  <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players)
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23:50:08  <PublicServer> <NCommander> priortys are a horrid, horrid abuse of the pathfinder :-/. It would be lovely if they weren't necessary
23:50:21  <Chris_Booth> I got a bill for my openttd server the otherday and was like WTF I thought I stoped that
23:50:40  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> they don't abuse PF
23:50:46  <PublicServer> <NCommander> so these stations that like Baa North are self-regulating, right
23:50:48  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> they abuse pre signals
23:50:50  <PublicServer> <NCommander> er, abuse signal logic
23:51:00  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> yes the are SRNW
23:51:11  <planetmaker> well, servers are not for free...
23:51:22  <Chris_Booth> no they cost money
23:51:28  <Chris_Booth> but I left mine empty
23:51:40  <PublicServer> <NCommander> at the risk of a n00b question, this is a SRNW game primarily?
23:51:48  <Chris_Booth> I moved providers and took only 2 servers this time not 3
23:52:07  <Chris_Booth> but have now paid this year for 5 servers
23:52:14  <Chris_Booth> 3 of which are empty
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23:52:32  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> not realy
23:52:40  <planetmaker> what kind of servers are that that you pay for... more than one?
23:52:42  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> the Wood is SRNW but other things are not
23:53:11  <Chris_Booth> got an MS SQL server, a linux webserver x2
23:53:40  <Chris_Booth> one MS SQL server + linux server is to run a website for a client
23:53:51  <Chris_Booth> and on linux server had my openttd server on it
23:54:37  <Chris_Booth> I could do without the linux server for there website
23:54:52  <Chris_Booth> but its not my code and it easier just to migrate it
23:55:43  <planetmaker> ah
23:55:50  <PublicServer> <NCommander> *is currently trying to figure out how one would connect the Coppor Ore Mine's  near Bandar*
23:55:53  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> only cost me £500 for the 3
23:56:00  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> but I made sure I got rid of them today
23:56:15  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> one would not connect copper
23:56:30  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> you should read the plan
23:56:36  <PublicServer> <NCommander> gah, my mistake
23:56:44  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> oil copper rubber and diamonds are not transported
23:57:38  <PublicServer> <NCommander> Where is the active plan? I saw a few labels
23:57:50  <planetmaker> !!NETWORK PLAN!!
23:58:04  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> plan is the first sign in the sign list
23:58:06  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> always is
23:58:16  <PublicServer> <NCommander> I didn't even know OPenTTD had a sign list ..
23:58:30  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> its under the map
23:58:40  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> press and hold the map icon
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