Log for #openttdcoop on 3rd November 2011:
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00:05:27  <PublicServer> <mfb> what would the original pathfinding say to our networks? :D
00:05:34  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> FUUU
00:05:44  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> :P
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00:06:36  <PublicServer> <mfb> +next place for long bridges found
00:06:54  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> yeah i saw you working on a tight spot
00:07:36  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> you are really looking for places like that?
00:08:03  <Dominik2000> hello
00:08:03  <PublicServer> <mfb> well.. these two farms were so nice and hard to reach
00:08:15  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> hey dom
00:08:21  <PublicServer> <mfb> it is much more fun than connecting the next random primary somewhere
00:08:38  <PublicServer> <mfb> like the mines near grinfingburg
00:09:23  <Dominik2000> !password
00:09:23  <PublicServer> Dominik2000: mooted
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00:11:43  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> So would you like a PSG with even smaller islands to make a tight mayhem?
00:11:53  <PublicServer> <mfb> hmmm :D
00:12:16  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> that would need some real balancing
00:12:38  <PublicServer> <mfb> low traffic and SL-oriented
00:12:49  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> point to multi
00:13:15  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> no wait that is wrong
00:13:25  <PublicServer> <mfb> or PZ chaos
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00:13:39  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> PZ had a chaos game last one
00:13:56  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> but after 1 hour there was a plan :(
00:13:58  <PublicServer> <mfb> maglev with high line counts
00:14:02  <PublicServer> <mfb> lol
00:14:19  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> it started as chaos game
00:26:04  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> that lulwut mess on the tiny island, did you make that mfb?
00:26:10  <PublicServer> <mfb> yes
00:26:16  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> :)
00:27:10  <PublicServer> <mfb> Fuwood. great town name
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00:36:54  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> enough for a day cya laters
00:37:03  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> cya
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00:40:47  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> bye
00:41:09  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> cya
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00:48:05  <PublicServer> <mfb> good night
00:48:26  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> gn
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01:05:51  <Xotic750> !password
01:05:51  <PublicServer> Xotic750: stylus
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05:55:30  <KyleS> !playercount
05:55:31  <PublicServer> KyleS: Number of players: 4 (0 spectators)
05:55:35  <KyleS> !password
05:55:35  <PublicServer> KyleS: elapse
05:55:53  <KyleS> !password
05:55:54  <PublicServer> KyleS: simile
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06:44:00  <KyleS> !password
06:44:00  <PublicServer> KyleS: rugged
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07:07:16  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> need more trains >(
07:08:04  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> dope, wrong kb layout :P
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07:15:06  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> nice farm shame about the trains :)
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07:27:29  <KyleS> ya :(
07:28:08  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> maybe there will be someone to increase the limit soon
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07:42:59  <KyleS> anyways, i'm logging off now
07:43:02  <KyleS> need sleepz
07:43:03  <KyleS> -_-
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07:59:29  <AndroUser> hi
07:59:48  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> hi
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08:01:25  <Dominik2000> better :)
08:02:08  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> :)
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10:17:28  <Qantourisc> Hello
10:18:35  <V453000> hi
10:19:09  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> hi
10:19:09  <planetmaker> hi :-)
10:19:17  <planetmaker> @quickstart
10:19:18  <Webster> Quickstart - #openttdcoop Wiki -
10:19:29  <planetmaker> explains how to start playing here in a concise way ;-)
10:19:45  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> we are out of trains btw :)
10:19:51  <planetmaker> really?
10:19:55  <planetmaker> !rcon companies
10:19:55  <PublicServer> planetmaker: #:1(Orange) Company Name: 'Binnbridge Transport'  Year Founded: 1950  Money: 4271242549  Loan: 0  Value: 4275502003  (T:1000, R:0, P:0, S:0) unprotected
10:19:58  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> yeo, 1000
10:20:03  <V453000> are there no jams though?
10:20:03  <planetmaker> !rcon set max_trains 1250
10:20:03  <PublicServer> planetmaker: say "<V453000> are there no jams though?"
10:20:03  <PublicServer> planetmaker: ‎[All] PublicServer: <V453000> are there no jams though?
10:20:12  <V453000> last time I was there were many jams
10:20:16  <planetmaker> oh :-)
10:20:21  <planetmaker> then those need fixing first
10:20:43  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> haven't seen any jaming recently
10:20:49  <V453000> usually a good thing to ask for before automatically doing what people want pm ;(
10:20:51  <V453000> Xotic750: ok :)
10:21:01  <planetmaker> I know
10:21:33  <Qantourisc> planetmaker: i read the rules, and they verry restrictive :)
10:21:41  <V453000> restrictive? :o
10:22:04  <planetmaker> well. It's coop. Thus we need some common agreement on how we play and interact
10:22:10  <planetmaker> or it'd be total chaos
10:22:30  <Qantourisc> atm i'm looking for a litle bit of chaos :)
10:22:32  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> more like organised rather than restrictive :)
10:22:58  <V453000> well sure but I feel like if one wants to play somehow friendly, all of the rules feel natural in my opinion
10:23:50  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> but there are lots of unorganised/unrestrictive servers out there
10:24:05  <V453000> which are nowhere as good for a reason :p
10:24:08  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> if chaos is your thing
10:24:31  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> I totally agree
10:25:01  <Qantourisc> the problem is ... does unrestritive servers, are usually destructive servers instead of friendly
10:25:59  <Qantourisc> openttdcoop is design and implement like a group
10:26:20  <Qantourisc> ok i'll give it a shot :)à
10:26:26  <V453000> depends how you define chaos. If chaos is meant to be an absolute mess where is no structure, no rules, and usually no reasons, then you can literally not get far, and this effect would multiply with the amount of people playing. If you define chaos as something without a plan evolving somehow, regarding some basic rules and experience (as done at the pro zone), then you can reach good results and fun without any real restrictions.
10:27:37  <Qantourisc> V453000: ow if i read the quickguide, i read everything is planned before the first track is laid (well skipping moneymakers ofcours)
10:27:45  <Qantourisc> personally i also like 10x cargo wait :)
10:27:47  <Qantourisc> *weight
10:27:57  <V453000> how is that setting related
10:28:05  <Qantourisc> not :)
10:28:08  <V453000> ..
10:28:13  <Qantourisc> but sure makes a few thing more intresting :p
10:28:22  <Xotic750> Chaos: a state of utter confusion or disorder; a total lack of organization or order.
10:28:31  <V453000> Xotic750: yes :D
10:28:32  <Xotic750> :)
10:28:33  <Qantourisc> ok organized chaod :)
10:28:35  <Qantourisc> *chaos
10:29:08  <V453000> still, for organized chaos game you need to have reduced amount of people and be sure that all of the people share your ideas and rely that none of them will do something majorly wrong
10:29:12  <V453000> -> pro zone material only
10:29:20  <V453000> simple as that
10:29:32  <Xotic750> that then has a sense of order :)
10:29:47  <Xotic750> and would only loosely be described as chaos
10:29:50  <V453000> kind of, I am talking about the "chaos" gametype we have
10:30:37  <Xotic750> I'm happy that I found the coop :)
10:31:03  <Xotic750> otherwise I would probably have quit already
10:31:22  <V453000> I cant image who could be unhappy about finding it :p
10:31:29  <planetmaker> hehe, Xotic750 :-)
10:31:33  <planetmaker> I know that feeling
10:31:35  <V453000> unfortunately I know majority of players is in that group :)
10:31:49  <V453000> pm: we all do I believe :P
10:31:55  <planetmaker> :-)
10:33:22  <V453000> is there any othe organized community? Like Realistic Builders Inc?
10:33:35  <Xotic750> I think I saw 1 other
10:33:38  <V453000> I guess there is nothing to think about in realism eh
10:33:49  <Xotic750> began with "L"
10:33:57  <Xotic750> can't remember the name
10:34:12  <V453000> Luukland?
10:34:22  <Xotic750> I think that would be it
10:34:24  <V453000> that is not a community that is a bunch of idiots
10:34:53  <V453000> I would bet not a single person there is able to use proper signals
10:34:58  <Xotic750> still more organized than any others I looked at, other than coop :)
10:35:34  <Xotic750> coop does take the game to the extreme
10:35:36  <V453000> I rather thought about something like a coop community that would develop realistic style of play, eventually for example write an article on theory about that
10:35:45  <V453000> coop does the game to the level the game offers
10:35:55  <Xotic750> indeed
10:36:45  <Xotic750> that's why it takes time to learn, rather than just play chaotically :P
10:37:02  <planetmaker> well. The coop wiki (and the openttd wiki as well) are free to accept any such content :-)
10:37:29  <V453000> pm: possibly, I was rather thinking whether there is any such content (which I doubt)
10:38:39  <Xotic750> I saw some "realistic" content here
10:38:40  <Webster> Title: Owen's Transport Tycoon Station (at
10:38:48  <V453000> when I look outside openttdcoop, be it forums or #openttd channel, realism is the only accepted way for the majority. My question is what do I think about there and what do I write about it
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10:39:39  <planetmaker> yes and no... <-- but it's a bit past the usual audience as it mainly targets a dead game and NewGRFs hardly anyone uses ;-)
10:39:40  <Webster> Title: TTDX railways and other stuff - Tutorials - Playing realistically (at
10:39:51  <V453000> Xotic750: track composition which you "find" realistic is just some rail composition. But what is the thought process when playing in such a way? Binary brain realistic(1) x unrealistic(0) ?
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10:40:17  <pugi> okay, also working on my laptop :D
10:40:24  <hylje> using realistic signal distance (not 2) would be a long way toward kind of realistic layouts
10:40:43  <V453000> hylje: why is 2 unrealistic?
10:41:09  <Qantourisc> i'm confused
10:41:15  <hylje> generally signal distances are much longer than a single train, but yes some tight signaled sections do exist
10:41:16  <Qantourisc> is nonstop normally configured ok or not
10:41:57  <Xotic750> I don't think "realistic" runs as many trains :P
10:42:03  <hylje> long signal distance would let us do away with double bridges and tunnels
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10:44:23  <Xotic750> non-stop is on by default in coop I believe
10:44:38  <Xotic750> and should be on for coop
10:44:46  <Qantourisc> where do i set it ?
10:44:54  <Qantourisc> config file name also seems to have changed
10:44:59  <Xotic750> advanced options I think
10:45:04  <pugi> somewhere in the advanced options
10:45:05  <pugi> yeah
10:45:15  <Qantourisc> new_nonstop=true N
10:45:16  <Xotic750> no need to edit a file
10:45:29  <pugi> editing a file is easier when you're not ingame :P
10:45:47  <Qantourisc> ok found :)
10:46:40  <Xotic750> does anyone know if the 32bpp is still being developed?
10:46:49  <Xotic750> last version was 1.1.0
10:47:01  <Qantourisc> "Take care about the rating at primary industry stations. It should be between 65 and 75 per cent. Not more, since the production of the industry would fall down."
10:47:08  <Qantourisc> What ? more then 75and it dropes ?
10:48:57  <V453000> only with fluctuating economy
10:49:05  <V453000> which is an old model not used anymore
10:49:11  <V453000> or well, you could use it .. :)
10:51:59  <Xotic750> I wish the main code had the extra zoom levels of 32bpp version
10:52:13  <pugi> we could do a game with a new industry mechanics newgrf
10:52:21  <pugi> like firs or whatever they are called
10:52:28  <pugi> there was one more...
10:52:30  <pugi> with vectors
10:52:55  <Qantourisc> Version mismatch on public ?
10:53:07  <V453000> pugi: do you really want to make a plan for 60 industries?
10:53:12  <pugi> version you'll need is in topic
10:53:15  <pugi> V453000: yes :D
10:53:33  <pugi> Qantourisc: either use the !dl command
10:53:38  <pugi> or get openttd autoupdate
10:53:39  <V453000> no you dont pugi :)
10:53:57  <pugi> !dl
10:53:57  <PublicServer> pugi: !dl autostart|autottd|lin|lin64|osx|ottdau|source|win32|win64|win9x
10:53:57  <PublicServer> pugi:
10:54:03  <pugi> yes i do
10:54:22  <Qantourisc> so cvs ...
10:54:23  <pugi> maybe that would be something for prozone
10:54:31  <Qantourisc> pff this is tomuch of an effort to even get started !
10:54:38  <pugi> nooo Qantourisc
10:54:50  <pugi>
10:54:54  <Qantourisc> And I didn't even download the required patches ...
10:55:03  <pugi> download this
10:55:17  <pugi> and get the opengfx/sfx/msx
10:55:17  <Qantourisc> no autoupdaters
10:55:26  <pugi> and select coop
10:55:28  <Qantourisc> + that one is broken
10:55:34  <pugi> is it?
10:55:38  <pugi> i use it
10:55:39  <Qantourisc> yes
10:55:49  <pugi> i use autoupdate
10:55:55  <planetmaker> which is broken?
10:56:21  <pugi> and with it i can start openttd/join the server/select company/enter password all with one click
10:56:21  <Qantourisc> still don't know what version i need .
10:56:22  <planetmaker> and what's so difficult in unzipping two zip files?
10:56:36  <planetmaker> where you both got the direct download link for?
10:56:42  <pugi>
10:56:46  <Qantourisc> because it looks like .exe
10:56:47  <pugi> this is the version you'll need
10:57:05  <V453000> which you read in the quickstart I am sure
10:58:18  <planetmaker> Qantourisc: who except a few freaks (like me) wants to compile the game prior to playing?
10:58:51  <Qantourisc> so 33 patches behind trunk ?
10:59:11  <hylje> yup we change version when game starts
10:59:45  <planetmaker> Qantourisc: why would we update every day for a single map?
10:59:46  <Xotic750> me :)
10:59:54  <Qantourisc> planetmaker: you wouldn't
11:00:01  <Qantourisc> planetmaker: i just happen to have r23077 compiled :)
11:00:18  <planetmaker> that's why you get a binary download link...
11:00:18  <Xotic750> I mean I compiled from the git repo :)
11:01:05  <Xotic750> runs a little smoother than the binary on my pc :)
11:03:10  <planetmaker> might well be, yes
11:03:30  <planetmaker> and not a big surprise :-)
11:03:47  <Xotic750> I guess the binary was compiled on unbuntu
11:03:58  <Xotic750> whereas I have Fedora
11:04:32  <planetmaker> I'd rather bet it was compiled on debian... (the linux generic one)
11:06:07  <Xotic750> close relations
11:06:39  <Xotic750> closer than Fedora
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11:11:39  <Qantourisc> so public or welcome  ?
11:12:16  <Qantourisc> Hmmm welcome is not r23044 :)
11:12:19  <Mazur> Public.
11:12:44  <Qantourisc> I think i'll need to start making a collection of bins :)
11:13:10  <V453000> I even have some archived
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11:13:19  <V453000> some savegames do not work with new revisions anymore :)
11:13:30  <pugi> why would you archive them on your pc?
11:13:30  <planetmaker> hm, do they?
11:13:42  <pugi> you can always get the version you'll need online, don't you?
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11:14:00  <planetmaker> 12:12 Qantourisc: I think i'll need to start making a collection of bins :) <-- you can't have too many ;-)
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11:15:23  <Vinnie_nl> !password
11:15:23  <PublicServer> Vinnie_nl: repaid
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11:15:36  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> hello
11:15:40  <Xotic750> hi
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11:16:47  <Qantourisc> hmm invisable bridges
11:17:01  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> press cntrl x
11:17:20  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Right i disabled then once :)
11:17:50  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> we need more trains. the mainline is not jamming
11:18:10  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> We need to jam it ?:/
11:18:24  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> lol
11:18:26  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> i want to get a full mainline that needs expansion
11:18:32  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> So what, look for places that have stuff free and add trains ?
11:18:50  <nlhans> !password
11:18:50  <PublicServer> nlhans: repaid
11:18:50  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> as in resources to ship free
11:18:51  <planetmaker> uhm... we want a good flow and a good service to all stations
11:18:54  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> kind of yes
11:19:04  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Just dupe the trains ?
11:19:18  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> with shared orders yes
11:19:29  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Ctrl-Dupe just to be sure i don't mess it up
11:19:35  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> a you added coal ?
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11:20:23  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> hmmm i notise a few stations don't have a lot of room for reserves
11:20:31  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> and they could clutter up ...
11:20:45  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Then again, it's one that is fully exploited
11:20:47  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> if they do they have to many trains
11:21:44  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> there SLH 02 done
11:21:55  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> SLH whatata ?
11:22:58  <Qantourisc> Vinnie_nl: SLH02 ?
11:23:11  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> it is a hub
11:23:17  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> on that hub there is a Sideline
11:23:25  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> on that sideline are primaries
11:23:31  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> they have had more trains
11:23:45  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> wow lw fps on soom out
11:24:58  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> SLH 01 also more trains
11:25:12  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Why trainyard
11:25:14  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> what does it do ?
11:25:44  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> when you add another primary copy a train from trainyard
11:25:57  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> some special feautures are already been set
11:26:12  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> so certain mistakes are not beeing made when building a new train
11:27:20  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> i see
11:27:40  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> service interval 50%
11:27:47  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> i  usually put it at 5% :p
11:28:03  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> ooo breakdowns are disabled ?
11:28:35  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> And SLH 03 als more trains
11:28:52  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00006F42:
11:28:54  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> a jam is a big breakdown :P :P
11:29:12  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> i suspect Sidelines will  jam soon
11:29:18  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> i know, breakdowns are half the effort !!!!
11:29:36  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> that is what makes making good tracks harder !
11:29:43  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> I'm just waiting for my SLH to fail
11:30:17  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> it's gonna go peetong when the traffic getting beer gets too high :)
11:30:19  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Xotic750: witch one is that ?
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11:30:42  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> 6
11:31:12  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> It's close to braking, at first sight :)
11:31:50  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Pfff this looks to advanced ... and not organized :)
11:31:57  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> AND NO breakdowns :)
11:32:16  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> it's very organised
11:32:25  <Mazur> See the NETWORK PLAN.
11:32:36  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> and you wouldn't want breakdown with the amount of traffic on here
11:32:52  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> lol, imagin the jams then :D
11:32:54  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> this makes the game easier in a way
11:33:04  <Mazur> WIth breakdowns on, trains would never reach their destinations.
11:33:19  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> never ?
11:33:25  <PublicServer> <Hans> everything would jam
11:33:27  <Mazur> Just wait until the lines are so packed the trains can hardly move.
11:33:44  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> we have 1097 trains running just now
11:33:59  <Mazur> That's about half of what will run in the end.
11:33:59  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> i know my pc chokes :)
11:34:11  <PublicServer> <Hans> yeah, i see empty tracks tho :P
11:34:45  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Added another coal train to SHaram woods, still has extra stock.
11:34:59  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> /xontic750
11:35:30  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> /xontic shall i keep adding trains in the NW area ?
11:35:41  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> vareful adding trains to those stations, I am working them up
11:36:03  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> ok where should i go then ? :)
11:36:24  <Mazur> That's "careful" for those of you who don't read 'typo".
11:36:25  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> pick a primary source that is not yet serviced
11:36:35  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> A good
11:36:37  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Found one
11:36:39  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> and connect it to a SLH
11:36:49  <planetmaker> Qantourisc: only add trains, if the source station really needs it
11:36:52  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> thx M :)
11:36:57  <planetmaker> and always use shared orders
11:37:48  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Look at Q: <Here> where should i hook to ?
11:41:45  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> ping
11:43:00  <Qantourisc> planetmaker: define "really" needs it
11:43:16  <planetmaker> station rating < 50%
11:43:35  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Ow ok
11:43:52  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 000101CC:
11:44:04  <planetmaker> of the pickup station, of course
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11:46:00  <Qantourisc> am at the server browsing ...
11:46:01  <Qantourisc> now what
11:47:35  <planetmaker> iew... this rip-off illegal nogrid newgrf again
11:48:07  <PublicServer> <Hans> what's wrong with that?
11:48:12  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> opengfx landscape the only one?
11:48:13  <Qantourisc> hmmm ?
11:48:35  <Qantourisc> and "illgial"
11:48:37  <planetmaker> hans: it just stole the sprites :-)
11:48:51  <PublicServer> <Hans> oh, from the original game.
11:49:02  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> ow illagal yes :)
11:49:03  <planetmaker> it's like publishing the ttd base set for free and putting a license and claiming you made it
11:49:50  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Xotic750:  where do I connect to at "Q: <Here>"
11:50:34  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> Qantourisc: please start all signs with an !
11:50:50  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> this way we all know it is a sign and we can look it up real fast
11:51:00  <PublicServer> * Qantourisc digs the sign specs
11:51:11  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> into SLH03
11:51:18  <planetmaker> Qantourisc: just when you quote them here
11:51:26  <Qantourisc> aa :)
11:51:31  <planetmaker> though starting them ingame with a ! is also easier to find them in the list
11:51:33  <Qantourisc> !Q: <here>
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11:53:08  <Xotic750> connect like the other local station in that area, into the side line hub (SLH) 03
11:53:33  <planetmaker> I'd say rather "just connect it to the side line"
11:53:58  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> I can just hook it up ?
11:54:12  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> yep, that probably beter terminology :)
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11:54:30  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> DO i need priority / speed tricks ?
11:54:32  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Or just hook ?
11:54:40  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> I just need to make sure i don't go trough a station right ?
11:55:03  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> And i need to sign the primarty resource with /Qantourisc right ?
11:55:27  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> yes, sign your work
11:55:43  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Can i lower i tiny dot ? in the landscape ?
11:55:52  <Mazur> Just hook, yes, and yes.
11:55:58  <Xotic750> look at how some of the other stations are done to get an idea
11:56:12  <Xotic750> :)
11:57:04  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> well lt's tty then :)
11:57:08  <Mazur> And yes, minimal terraforming is almost always allowed, I've not yet played a game with _no_ terraforming.
11:58:52  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00005F8B:
11:58:55  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> no that's not a primary resource
11:58:57  <Mazur> And Qantourisc, whenever you are in doubt, the details are in hte NETWORK PLAN.
11:59:08  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Oil not ?
11:59:10  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> that's an oil refinery
11:59:14  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> ow wait
11:59:18  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Requires :)
11:59:20  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Oeps
11:59:23  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Back to the coal mine then :)
12:02:52  <Mazur> "Working down the coal mine, going down, down, down.
12:02:54  <Mazur> "
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12:04:20  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> that's the sound of the men working on the chain gang :P
12:04:20  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> What bridge type ?
12:04:33  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> the one that allows 230 kmph
12:04:35  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> 230km/h or greater
12:04:50  <Mazur> Anuy bridge allowing the engines we use to go at full speed.
12:04:53  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> andnhow do i place the "tubes ?
12:05:18  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> tube bridges need to be 4 tiles or more
12:05:24  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> a ok
12:06:45  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Dam i must study my signs again
12:07:49  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> I mean signals
12:09:00  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> A ok got it for this one
12:09:03  <Mazur> You can check another primary to see how we usually do it.
12:09:14  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> I'd like to know WHAT i'm copying :)
12:09:20  <Mazur> Tried and tested methods.
12:09:26  <Mazur> That would be nice, yes.
12:10:09  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> dam signs are too small
12:10:58  <planetmaker> set a bigger font in your cfg
12:11:14  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> I mean signals
12:11:20  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> And fonts can get bigger
12:11:24  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> good i'll change that RIGHT NOW :)
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12:11:56  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> seeing the signals is my biggest problem, colour blind, that's why I like the 32bpp version
12:12:18  <Qantourisc> !password
12:12:18  <PublicServer> Qantourisc: eighty
12:12:26  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> and lack of experience of course :P
12:12:38  <Qantourisc> ooo passwords rotate !
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12:13:14  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> it really is your first time here i guess
12:13:22  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> second
12:13:30  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> but never got far
12:13:53  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0001E8C4:
12:14:43  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> hmm great slonfidge woods is broken
12:14:49  <Mazur> And Xotic750: I was singing this one:
12:16:07  <Xotic750> similar type of thing :)
12:17:25  <Mazur> Yeah, but more memorable.
12:17:29  <Mazur> ;-P
12:17:38  <Xotic750> and I was singing this one
12:17:39  <Xotic750>
12:17:43  <Xotic750> :P
12:20:14  <Mazur> Well done, you,
12:21:18  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> nice i broke SLH 05 :)
12:21:28  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Do we favor an extra sign, or less siggns ?
12:21:28  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> damn depot is slow
12:21:49  <Mazur> SIgns are almost always good.
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12:23:05  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Please approve new track
12:23:33  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Looks fine to me, at a glance.
12:23:35  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> one CL
12:23:41  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> good
12:23:43  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> one CL ?
12:23:49  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> curvelength
12:23:55  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> needs to be 3 tiles or more
12:23:59  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Curve Length issue.
12:24:23  <PublicServer> <Mazur> One exclamation point issue, Vinnie.  I fixed it.
12:24:29  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> If i'm allowed to destoyed the land more i can
12:25:00  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> easy like that
12:25:08  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> gotta go for a while, cya soon :)
12:25:14  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> if you would do it
12:25:16  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> So i'm allowed to ruin more land :)
12:25:16  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> laters
12:25:16  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Bye, Xotic750.
12:25:22  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> coalg goes to coal depot ?
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12:25:33  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> no copy a train from trainyard
12:25:36  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Qantourisc, yes, but don't overdo it.
12:26:00  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> I thoughed they wanted to jam the mainline ?
12:26:10  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> i am working on that
12:26:46  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Copy train frmo trainyard without sharing orders, then fix the orders for your specific station, than copy extra train(s) from that one _with_ sharing orders.
12:26:58  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> sounds right
12:28:08  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> there SLH 06 has more trains will jam a little until depot is clear
12:28:28  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Qantourisc: Most important rule about Terra-forming is: make it inconspicuous, if it's clearly been terraformed, you did it wrong.
12:28:38  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Ow ...
12:28:42  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Dang
12:28:53  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0003E18E:
12:28:54  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Like a mountianside that is totally flat.
12:29:14  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> let me put the holes back
12:29:42  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Ow
12:29:46  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Your also workingon it :p
12:29:54  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Who ?
12:29:54  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Not I.
12:29:58  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> lag ?
12:30:02  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Probably.
12:30:20  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Like this it about was
12:30:52  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> yeah
12:31:14  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> oke lets check if mainline has sufficient flow
12:32:33  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Better ?
12:33:11  <PublicServer> <Mazur> You know about how you can CTRL-click a signalled track, drag in one direction and let go to signal the whole track in that direction?
12:33:33  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> euu
12:33:35  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> there we go coal needs LLL_RRR
12:33:37  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> isn't that just drag ?
12:33:55  <PublicServer> <Mazur> EH, yes.
12:34:03  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> LLL_RRR ?
12:34:07  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> at the depo ?
12:34:23  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Or even in this station also ?
12:34:57  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> We are out of trains :)
12:35:05  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> we hit the trainlimit
12:35:16  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> but first fix coal drop then ask if it can be higher
12:36:34  <PublicServer> <Mazur> I see.
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12:43:25  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Freed up a pair of bridges for you, Vinnie.
12:43:29  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Jamming at SLH12
12:43:53  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0002496C:
12:43:55  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> yes we are working there
12:44:30  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Moar bridges ?
12:45:29  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Unless we go via the peninsula, that might work better.
12:45:33  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Say
12:45:53  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Likie that.
12:46:08  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Bandwith is related to the amount of time spend inside the bridge no ?
12:46:10  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Yes, Qantourisc?
12:46:12  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> can you make that work?
12:46:22  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> the brdige on top ?
12:46:31  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> peninsular
12:46:39  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> let me find it sec
12:46:54  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> station or post ?
12:47:38  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Sorry i cannot find pencolor :/
12:47:48  <Qantourisc> I mean pensiular
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12:50:01  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> aaa wait that message wasn't directed at  me :)
12:50:03  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Connected.
12:50:41  <PublicServer> *** Hans has joined spectators
12:50:49  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> I feel lost
12:50:57  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> I'll  go eat first
12:51:17  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Ah yes, I should eat as well.
12:51:27  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Oh well, whenever.
12:52:35  <Dominik2000> !dl
12:52:35  <PublicServer> Dominik2000: !dl autostart|autottd|lin|lin64|osx|ottdau|source|win32|win64|win9x
12:52:35  <PublicServer> Dominik2000:
12:52:38  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> split to SLH 12 mazur
12:52:53  <Dominik2000> !dl osx
12:52:53  <PublicServer> Dominik2000:
12:54:27  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Ah yes, overlooked that.
12:55:26  <PublicServer> <Mazur> So I suppose all that traffic should go over the six old bridges.
12:56:33  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> damn this LSLH :)
12:58:53  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0002937C:
13:02:47  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Ooops, yes.
13:03:05  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> :)
13:03:23  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> now those two missing :(
13:04:00  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> nice
13:06:11  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Can;t you separate the reverser from the other exit line?
13:06:23  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Like that?
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13:11:24  <pugi> hello :)
13:11:31  <pugi> now i have some free time
13:11:34  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> ni :)
13:11:37  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> hi even
13:11:39  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> back
13:11:42  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> hello
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13:12:12  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> oooo, there's a new bridge over the bay :)
13:12:32  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Only to SLH 11.
13:13:18  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> just for an SLH, seems drastic?
13:13:45  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Station could not get it's empties out fast enough.
13:13:51  <PublicServer> <Mazur> -'
13:13:54  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00028181:
13:14:26  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> I guess you are doing something else before connecting it?
13:14:50  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Vinnie fixed a lot of things about SLH12.
13:15:40  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> aha, I see where your working now
13:16:03  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> yeah i had to think a little for it
13:16:19  <PublicServer> <Mazur> And then a little more.
13:16:23  <PublicServer> <Mazur> moar.
13:17:29  <Qantourisc> back
13:17:53  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> wb
13:18:50  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> 18 tonnes fcoal
13:18:53  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Can I put a train on it ?
13:18:56  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> putting in a 3rd line?
13:19:02  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> it looks like it's disapearing no ?
13:19:05  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> Xotic750:  yes
13:19:25  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> I still feel lost ...
13:19:46  <PublicServer> <Mazur> I think someone might up the train limit with two for your station, Qantourisc.
13:19:48  <KenjiE20> @slowstart
13:19:48  <Webster> Read everything on the wiki, and I mean everything
13:19:56  <KenjiE20> :D
13:20:02  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> it's ok, it's my 2nd game and I'm still lost about many things
13:20:24  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> reading helps :)
13:20:31  <Qantourisc> I'm rather lost on the "what am i doing here, what can i do ?" etc ...
13:20:32  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> and watching too
13:20:55  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> add primary pickups
13:21:05  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Trains are full and so is depo
13:21:07  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> + not a lot left
13:21:09  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Qantourisc, most of us felt that way in the beginning.
13:21:35  <KenjiE20> 'most'
13:21:48  <KenjiE20> I got stuck in with a sideline about 1 hour after I joined :p
13:22:16  <Mazur> Yes, but you were an expert in solo play before even coming here.
13:22:32  <KenjiE20> fair point
13:22:43  <Mazur> When I joined, I'd never even seen the game before.
13:22:49  <Mazur> Or even heard of it.
13:22:50  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> :p
13:22:58  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> So how about those extra trains ?
13:22:58  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> I've now done a couple of main stations, a couple of balancers, a couple 2+2->2, 1 SLH and a load of primaries :)
13:23:02  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Is there still room at the wood depo ?
13:23:08  <KenjiE20> and people think V's weird :p
13:23:23  <Mazur> He is weird.
13:23:30  <Mazur> But that's another matter.
13:23:37  <KenjiE20> heh
13:23:38  <PublicServer> <pugi> okay, elongated prio :D
13:23:44  <PublicServer> <pugi> no, it was me
13:23:55  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Also requesting a new sideline then :)
13:23:58  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> doing my first BBH is going to be fun :P
13:24:21  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> coal drop can be expanded if anyone pleases
13:24:31  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> I could "cram" stuff tehre
13:24:44  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> but i wouldn't want to fuck it up
13:25:14  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> and don't have a clue about addign 3rd lines into any of it :)
13:25:30  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> copy that drop line 1 time and it is enough
13:25:33  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Do we need a third line there ?
13:25:45  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> line 1 ?
13:26:10  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Now i am confused to lack of knowledge :)
13:26:22  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> :)
13:26:52  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> and first you need to understand the pneumonics that people talk
13:27:02  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> the droplines
13:27:14  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> is it the !todo merge to 3rde
13:27:26  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> you can do that
13:27:36  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> it now only merges into the 2 inner mainlines
13:27:42  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> it needs to merge to all 3
13:27:58  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> confused
13:28:52  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> not sure what i need to do :/
13:28:54  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00027F71:
13:29:08  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> have you read anything on the wiki?
13:29:18  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> The entire ?
13:29:20  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> it's starting to get a little laggy for me
13:29:34  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> no just a page you have read?
13:30:23  <PublicServer> <pugi> weird...
13:30:29  <PublicServer> <pugi> stupid pbs
13:30:39  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> :)
13:31:22  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> A read a lot of pages a year ago
13:31:28  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> I thought after the pbs the first signal should be the 2 way eol?
13:32:32  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> or that was what I was lead to believe
13:32:40  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> i still do it
13:33:09  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> because there is a single then the eol just after that bridge
13:33:15  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> :)
13:33:17  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> ok
13:33:17  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> that?
13:33:36  <Qantourisc> i can't find drop line in the wiky
13:33:55  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> Xotic750: i am gonna redo that merger for 3rd :)
13:34:05  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> Qantourisc: look for main drop station
13:34:07  <PublicServer> <pugi> aha
13:34:09  <PublicServer> <pugi> finally it works
13:34:32  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> that is a dobule :)
13:34:34  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> double
13:34:37  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> I'm lagging but will watch
13:34:39  <PublicServer> <pugi> hmm
13:34:53  <PublicServer> <pugi> okay... weird
13:35:51  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Vin-de-Siecle: How about we split all four of those DROP/PIKCUP lines to eiter choose the old route to SLH12 or the new route to SLH11?
13:36:01  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> thats just for slh12?
13:38:47  <Qantourisc> *sign*
13:38:50  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Weird entrance signalling.
13:38:50  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> 4 a ML enough?
13:39:10  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Usually yes, Vin.
13:39:16  <PublicServer> <Mazur> IIRC.
13:39:18  <PublicServer> <pugi> hmm
13:39:28  <PublicServer> <pugi> apparently 4 per line is not enough
13:39:28  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> we need to fix exit then
13:39:28  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> That is what needed to happen ?
13:39:34  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> no exit is blocking
13:39:34  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Add a extra line to the drop station ?
13:39:37  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Split from before ?
13:40:57  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> were starting to jam
13:41:15  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> aha, exit gone :P
13:41:17  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> ofcours .... 20% of the station is nolonger free :)
13:42:15  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> "Backuped up for miles"
13:43:02  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> not much goes over those new bridges
13:43:22  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Xotic750:No, those only go North.
13:43:37  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> why no roads?
13:43:44  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Ah, new connection hacked.
13:43:55  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0002832E:
13:44:02  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> We need to connect the 2 drop line to the 3de no ?
13:44:12  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Stations go unused
13:44:14  <PublicServer> <pugi> 4 is not enough
13:44:41  <PublicServer> <Mazur> 3rd line mostly unused, as yet.
13:44:53  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> For now connect 2 to 3
13:44:57  <PublicServer> <pugi> maybe add psb
13:44:59  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> To hangle the overflow ?
13:45:47  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> who is redoing the merge at moment?
13:45:53  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> me
13:45:55  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> not me
13:46:16  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Why are we limitting the trains to choising their station ?
13:46:25  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Or are the merges suppost to help there ?
13:46:34  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> so it's a copy of how it was working but +1 ?
13:47:11  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> to be frank ... i think we have a bigger problem ... troughput of the drop has descreased  ...
13:47:23  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> well "we" ... you guys
13:47:40  <PublicServer> <Mazur> The problem is at SLH11.
13:47:54  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Wow jikes
13:48:00  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> mayor jam :)
13:48:24  <PublicServer> <Mazur> And unconnected 3rd line.
13:48:42  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> yes near 11 iit is unconnected
13:48:55  <PublicServer> <Mazur> The trains are gasping for it, there.
13:49:01  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> but coal drop needs the roads
13:49:11  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> it jams now
13:49:13  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> "needs the road"s ?
13:49:13  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> so it's now a 3+2->3 ?
13:49:42  <PublicServer> <pugi> not a problem of roads...
13:49:44  <PublicServer> <pugi> it needs one more platform
13:49:48  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> 3 + 3 in 2 inside the hub 3 out
13:49:54  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> not sure what that is in slang
13:49:54  <PublicServer> <pugi> doens't unload quick enough
13:49:56  <PublicServer> <Mazur> There's a quick fix to unload part of SLH11.
13:50:53  <PublicServer> *** Hans has left the game (leaving)
13:50:57  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> lucky i made the BBH wrong earlier :)
13:51:17  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> ok now watch the drop die :)
13:51:41  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> OOO
13:51:49  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> the selection of the Third line happens waaaaay back ?
13:52:14  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Doesn't the line between
13:52:16  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> ok yes :)
13:52:24  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> you just deleted what i was going to ask :)
13:52:43  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> Still i'm not enjoying this ...
13:53:16  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Rome was not build in a day.
13:53:16  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> OK coal mine dided !!!
13:53:44  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> taking the roads out again?
13:53:53  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> not me
13:54:17  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> what is with the roads ?
13:54:27  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> penalties
13:54:34  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> the roads give penalty to train pathfinder
13:54:52  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> whos taking them out then?
13:54:58  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> it worked befor when we did not have Pre so trains will choose closest track
13:54:58  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> not me
13:55:48  <PublicServer> <Qantourisc> I had enough ...
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13:55:54  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> and back in again, lol
13:56:14  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> more platforms
13:56:17  <PublicServer> <pugi> yes
13:56:23  <PublicServer> <pugi> that was pretty clear...
13:56:29  <PublicServer> <pugi> but no space :(
13:56:37  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> 6 was enough but will 5 do?
13:56:43  <PublicServer> <pugi> i guess
13:56:45  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> i can make space for 5
13:56:56  <PublicServer> <pugi> it just barely doesn't fit if the line if full
13:57:02  <PublicServer> <pugi> i guess 5 would be enough
13:57:13  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> oke moster jam predicted in 3 minutes
13:57:15  <PublicServer> <pugi> maybe behind each other?
13:57:19  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> monster
13:57:34  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> :P
13:57:38  <Qantourisc> "Despite this positive development we have to face the problem that it is more and more challenging for new players to join us." <= Jep, goodbye
13:57:48  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> bye bye station
13:58:06  <Qantourisc> My advise ... make a 3th server
13:58:07  <pugi> what is your problem, Qantourisc?
13:58:20  <pugi> you don't understand what we are doing?
13:58:47  <Qantourisc> "Qantourisc: pff this is tomuch of an effort to even get started !" "pugi: nooo Qantourisc" You asked to stay ... I don't know why i tried
13:58:55  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0002A334:
13:58:58  <Qantourisc> I sorta do ...
13:59:06  <Qantourisc> but if i want to watch i'll turn on tv
13:59:25  <pugi> we encourage new players to just start building stuff
13:59:31  <pugi> and help if they need help
13:59:45  <pugi> and it is true that most new players only watch in the beginning
13:59:49  <Qantourisc> well ... the current server is fully build + no trains free or capacity
13:59:59  <pugi> and i doubt you can see openttd on tv :P
14:00:10  <Qantourisc> otherwise i could cut on new primary resources like planetmaker suggested
14:00:16  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> we get more trains when this is fixed
14:00:45  <pugi> maybe you want to try again when we have a new map
14:00:52  <planetmaker> Qantourisc: we first solve issues with the network before we create potential new problems by adding more trains
14:01:02  <Qantourisc> "dhu"
14:01:23  <Qantourisc> pugi: only this week i have enough time to invest ...
14:01:39  <planetmaker> but if you want to go, sulk and become defensive and abuse. Do that, if you think it helps you anywhere
14:01:42  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> though when we get more trains I might be out of it due to lag :P
14:02:26  <Qantourisc> planetmaker: "abuse" ? you mean cram the network ... that's bad
14:02:34  <PublicServer> <pugi> this looks ugly :D
14:02:56  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> so, we got 3 new platform from that
14:03:04  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> yes
14:03:12  <planetmaker> I mean your disdainful comment over in #openttd
14:03:14  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> 12 = 4* 3
14:03:21  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> 15 = 3 * 5
14:03:57  <planetmaker> and no. There are no other coop servers to my knowledge ;-)
14:04:18  <PublicServer> <Vinnie>  @@(gap 9)
14:04:19  <Webster> PublicServer: For Trainlength of 9: <= 15 needs 2, 16 - 26 needs 3, 27 - 37 needs 4.
14:04:23  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> are 5's less efficient than 3's though?
14:04:28  <PublicServer> <Vinnie>  @@(gap 3)
14:04:29  <Webster> PublicServer: For Trainlength of 3: <= 9 needs 2, 10 - 14 needs 3, 15 - 19 needs 4.
14:04:32  <Qantourisc> planetmaker: hmmm not sure how i should have formualted that ... i also made no reference to openttdcoop... otherwise i would specificly have said openttpcoop sucks, it doesn't but this watching only is not for me
14:04:38  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> due to the entrance?
14:04:53  <Mazur> There is the Welcome server, but most people play their own company, there.
14:05:01  <PublicServer> <pugi> now we need presignal bypass
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14:05:20  <Dominik2000> hello
14:05:27  <planetmaker> well. nvm then
14:05:37  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> I thought that v453 said that the psb is of no use?
14:05:50  <PublicServer> <pugi> he did?
14:05:54  <PublicServer> <pugi> no idea
14:06:12  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> yep, because I asked whether I should build like that in the beginning
14:06:14  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Not totally "no use", but generally a bad choice.
14:06:17  <Qantourisc> Mazur: that's sorta ok for noobs, aslong as they don't work in eachother ways ... also companies can be joined no ?
14:06:45  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> go back to twoway
14:06:47  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> I liked the modular style for adding platforms
14:06:57  <Mazur> Qantourisc, just read the !rules there.
14:07:02  <Qantourisc> !rules
14:07:03  <PublicServer> Qantourisc:
14:07:19  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> of the psb that is
14:07:19  <Mazur> No, there, at #openttdcoop.stable
14:07:26  <Dominik2000> one question: if you play singleplayer what do you do?
14:07:34  <Dominik2000> do you create a network plan also
14:07:35  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> though it appeared to use a lot of land space
14:07:43  <planetmaker> Dominik2000: I don't play SP :-P
14:07:50  <Mazur> Depends on who you ask.
14:08:02  <Dominik2000> and get all things connected with mainlines and sidelinehubs and so
14:08:08  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> SP is choas gamestyle
14:08:09  <Mazur> I generally work without a plan, and then regret it later on.
14:08:42  <planetmaker> In the rare occasion I do - why would I build a plan for me?
14:08:58  <PublicServer> <pugi> maybe you make multiple plans and then vote for yourself :P
14:09:07  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> :P
14:09:29  <Mazur> No, I vot for hte other guy, his plan is usually better.
14:09:34  <Dominik2000> no i mean you plan only one plan :)
14:09:34  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> voting stage will always be unanamous
14:09:36  <Qantourisc> planetmaker: also sorry if my repsonses are not as they should be... i'm verrry stressed
14:09:41  <Dominik2000> no voting :D
14:09:44  <planetmaker> pugi: sounds like a good plan ;-)
14:10:04  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> network looks good again?
14:10:24  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> impressed how you managed to find the space to get those in though
14:10:37  <PublicServer> *** pugi has left the game (connection lost)
14:10:39  <Dominik2000> its only the question if chaos style or plan. but i think the most of you don't play sp or build chaos style
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14:11:24  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> I've been doing a little sp
14:11:25  <Vinnie_nl> my kind of sp is on the welcome server. better compeditors then any ai
14:11:32  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> networked but no plan :)
14:11:33  <planetmaker> Vinnie_nl: hehe, indeed
14:11:49  <planetmaker> I do that sometimes, too
14:12:05  <planetmaker> And less effort than starting a new game here...
14:12:20  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> BBH 05 :(
14:12:32  <Dominik2000> ok thanks :)
14:12:53  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> not going to sign your reworked station? :)
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14:12:55  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> hmm
14:13:05  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> no increased traincount for some time
14:13:17  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> BBH 04 needs a 3rd line in the sweet spot
14:13:56  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0002A73E:
14:15:57  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> the 3+2->3 why does the lower drop exit only goto the new bridges?
14:16:07  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> where?
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14:17:21  <LoPo> !password
14:17:21  <PublicServer> LoPo: sterns
14:17:21  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Look at !that split
14:17:23  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> new bridges would be outer ML, if i understand correct
14:17:38  <planetmaker> !rcon clients
14:17:38  <PublicServer> planetmaker: Client #1  name: 'PublicServer'  company: 255  IP: server
14:17:38  <PublicServer> planetmaker: Client #1833  name: 'Vinnie'  company: 1  IP:
14:17:38  <PublicServer> planetmaker: Client #1884  name: 'pugi'  company: 1  IP:
14:17:38  <PublicServer> planetmaker: Client #1860  name: 'Mazur'  company: 1  IP:
14:17:38  <PublicServer> planetmaker: Client #1596  name: 'Xotic750'  company: 1  IP:
14:17:40  <planetmaker> !more
14:17:41  <PublicServer> planetmaker: you have no more messages
14:17:46  <PublicServer> *** pugi has left the game (leaving)
14:17:54  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> aha, I didn't see  !that split
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14:18:05  <PublicServer> <LoPo> hello
14:18:09  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> hey
14:18:11  <PublicServer> <Mazur> LoPo.
14:18:17  <PublicServer> <Mazur> I'm off.
14:18:20  <PublicServer> <LoPo> oky :P
14:18:22  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> cya maz
14:18:24  <PublicServer> <LoPo> bb
14:18:26  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> the distance makes it confusing for me
14:18:29  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Bite to eat.  Bye.
14:18:33  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> cya
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14:20:52  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> hmmm, the lag seems to get less with less clients connected
14:22:08  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> Vinnie: how long have you been playing ottd?
14:22:23  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> i remeber the original but it has been on and off
14:22:53  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> i have seen a psg like 19x but really started on 200
14:23:35  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> but cumulated time would be in years?
14:23:43  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> 1.5 or so
14:24:16  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> but that would be one year hanging arround here really learning the game
14:24:35  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> cool, I only have 1.48 years to go  to your level then :P
14:25:11  <PublicServer> <LoPo> hmmm some nasty jam at BBH 03
14:25:52  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> I think I like this game better than the last, or the plan is better
14:26:34  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> and have learn a great deal this time, and fewer mistakes (I think :P)
14:27:09  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> the most important think is to understand how something works
14:27:36  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> like the roads in your main drop
14:27:55  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> well, this is my first LL_RR but it gets pretty confusing when the 3rd line gets added
14:28:19  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> yep, the penalties, and the back facing pbs
14:28:26  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> had that to till we played a game where we went 8L_8R
14:28:29  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> that was a great tip
14:28:34  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> then you see it is just repeating
14:28:56  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00029867:
14:30:23  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> I spent quite a while last night prepping myself for those 2+2->2 mergers on the MS's
14:30:35  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> then had to have the guts to interrupt the flow :)
14:31:39  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> It's pretty nerv racking to blow up the exit of the MS and rebuild them
14:31:52  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> :)
14:33:13  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> and so it's really impressive to watch you tackling something like that MS upgrade you just performed
14:34:02  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> and I'm so slow at laying track
14:34:38  <pugi> you just have to use shortcuts
14:34:46  <pugi> then it's much easier to do it fast
14:35:06  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> I do it all by mouse at the moment
14:35:12  <pugi> a for rail, s for signals, d for destroy
14:35:18  <pugi> q, w, e for terraforming
14:35:22  <pugi> t tunnel, b bridge
14:35:41  <pugi> r for remove (combined with signal or station)
14:36:02  <pugi> there are probably some more i don't know :D
14:36:32  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> I guess stations have to be done by mouse though
14:36:44  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> to choose the right graphic
14:36:46  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> no it a number like 7 or 8
14:37:48  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> I'll start playing with those shortcuts, I just started a new sp game, just me no ai
14:38:38  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> small map, and hilly as I was playing on flat land to get some ideas last time
14:40:46  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> my SLH06 is seriously backed up as the trains can't get onto the main line
14:41:00  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> seems to be alot more trains on it than I remember
14:41:16  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> my fault :)
14:41:30  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> you had stations with 800 tons waiting
14:41:53  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> but lucky for you your SLH needs a 3rd connection soon
14:41:59  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> you can make it :)
14:42:33  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> too much lag for me, I think this game maybe over for me, like the previous game when it got this laggy
14:42:58  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> unless I can borrow my friends pc to see if it makes any difference
14:43:38  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> that must be a bummer. all games get like this
14:43:44  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> or more
14:43:56  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00029865:
14:44:17  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> I don't understand why it is so bad, as I said b4 I have resources spare on my pc
14:44:43  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> 1 cpu is running 100% but the other is only like about 40%
14:44:57  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> this is not a multicore game
14:45:19  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> is the code not multithreaded then?
14:45:57  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> i have no idea but if you read the tt forums you will see that every multicore idea gets shot down
14:46:03  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> so i guess it is not possible
14:47:13  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> it's possible but I guess the code would need a rewrite if it's not multithread
14:47:59  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> well if that's the case then it's only like running on a single 1.6MHz centrino :(
14:48:05  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> want to start the 3L_3R on BBH 03?
14:48:33  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> well i can only play this game on my macbook air my desktop can't handle it
14:49:16  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> I think I'm limited to watching, and I have to go and collect my washing just now so going  to be 15 mins or so
14:50:02  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> back soon
14:50:08  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> cya
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15:01:35  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> lopo can i go spectate?
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15:02:29  <PublicServer> <LoPo> sure ;p
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15:02:33  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> :)
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15:23:07  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> hi
15:25:53  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> hey
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15:26:24  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> I changed the process priority to see if it improves things wrt lag
15:26:42  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> you are fully zoomed in?
15:27:08  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> no out 1 zoom level
15:27:18  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> you are asking for lagg :)
15:27:28  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> just testing it
15:27:50  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> i also lagg when i zoom out so i dont do it :)
15:28:00  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> seems much better and both cpus run now
15:28:30  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> hardly any lag in +1 zoom
15:29:09  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> oke can you play?
15:29:12  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> and completely normal in full zoom
15:29:46  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> I would say that I'm in the game again :)
15:30:00  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> BBH03 to SLH 06 :)
15:30:19  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> but I have to make dinner very soon and then collect the rest of my washing
15:30:24  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> ohh oke
15:30:41  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> so maybe not the best time to start something :)
15:31:59  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> your connection seems to have got rid of the backlog at slh6
15:32:22  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> yeah but it must be rebuild soon
15:33:12  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> aha and you fixed a signal issue
15:33:28  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> after your bridges?
15:33:31  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> yep
15:33:50  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> did you make the original?
15:34:33  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> yeah, all of it but had a little help from sylf on the connection towards beer and fitting it in
15:34:54  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> and a bridge that mfb did
15:35:30  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> where you are working just now I had trouble fitting it
15:36:44  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> I don't have an eye for the space usage yet
15:39:34  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> nice
15:39:46  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> if i say so myself :)
15:41:27  <V453000> !password
15:41:27  <PublicServer> V453000: rodent
15:41:32  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> you think so
15:41:45  <PublicServer> <V453000> hi
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15:41:53  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> hi
15:41:56  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> hello
15:42:14  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> it took me about 3 hours or so to build it :P
15:43:05  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> which is a little ridiculous, I know
15:43:11  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> not really
15:43:22  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> its one of your first
15:43:44  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> the 1st
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15:44:17  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> I started by just making it rough and then worked it
15:44:33  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> then tweaked it again a few times
15:44:54  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> I had a huge 360 degree loop at the very beginning
15:45:00  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> very pretty, lol
15:45:05  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> :)
15:45:18  <V453000> !password
15:45:18  <PublicServer> V453000: rodent
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15:46:34  <PublicServer> <V453000> lol watercow farm :D
15:46:55  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> ?
15:47:05  <PublicServer> <V453000> Kintburg Springs:
15:47:24  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> aha
15:48:12  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> I feel so incompetant watching you rework all of that
15:48:31  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> i am not redoing it
15:48:40  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> i am changing it so i can add 3rd :)
15:49:21  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> that's what I mean, I had trouble getting the original  in that space
15:49:35  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> redoing it implies that the original was wrong, witch was not
15:49:57  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> well that is unfair about landscape
15:50:16  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> over time everyone changes a little arround the SLH so the landscape also changes
15:50:44  <PublicServer> <V453000> which is why "very low TF" games are rather impossible to do
15:51:00  <PublicServer> <V453000> because if you expand 3 times and always edit a tiny bit, it might not be very low in the end
15:51:08  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> I do try my best to avoid TF
15:51:10  <PublicServer> <V453000> "no tf" would work there but that is plain retarded
15:51:34  <PublicServer> <V453000> Xotic750: sure, that is the best approach
15:51:40  <PublicServer> <V453000> just do what you can
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15:53:46  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> pretty tight in there :)
15:53:52  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> :)
15:53:54  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> it works
15:54:55  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> not so much traffice goes in that direction from the slh
15:55:04  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> mostly goes west
15:55:07  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> but still that connection has to be made
15:55:37  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> oh yeah, it is used, only about 10% maybe
15:56:42  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> it looks massive now in comparison to a little while ago
15:56:56  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> as in to big?
15:57:15  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> no, just in comparison to the 2 lines
15:57:25  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> looks neat
15:57:56  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> you can do the BBH merger to connect 3rd
15:58:07  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> it is an easy one
15:58:21  <PublicServer> <Vinnie>  2 + 2 lines must be made 3 lines
15:58:51  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> so you got 4 lines that need to become 3 lines
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15:59:11  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> this means you have to split one line over 3 others
15:59:17  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> can you do that?
15:59:52  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> I will certainly try, but cooking while watching at the moment :)
16:00:02  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> ohh then i will do it
16:00:12  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> if you don't mind
16:00:32  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> no, I'm happy to watch and see how experience processes it
16:02:02  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> once I figure out where you are or are going to start
16:02:08  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> BBH 04
16:02:14  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> no 03
16:02:17  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> top side
16:02:54  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> on the steep hill
16:02:58  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> yes
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16:07:52  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> looks ok
16:08:22  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> better than previous even
16:09:21  <Maraxus> !password
16:09:21  <PublicServer> Maraxus: sparks
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16:09:38  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> hello
16:09:41  <PublicServer> <Maraxus> hi
16:10:08  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> what else can be improved no :P
16:10:11  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> now
16:12:50  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> bbs, washing :)
16:12:56  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> cya
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16:18:30  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> and Maraxus how are you?
16:19:18  <PublicServer> <Maraxus> fine, thanks - looking for something to do in this game, but things look fine atm
16:19:32  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> i agree lets ask for more trains
16:20:58  <Vinnie_nl> any members arround befor i start some highlighting?
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16:22:41  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> bk
16:23:12  <Dominik2000> !password
16:23:12  <PublicServer> Dominik2000: sicked
16:23:20  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> man, that is some serious spicy soup I made :)
16:23:21  <Vinnie_nl> planetmaker, V453000 can the trainlimit be increased. The network flow is nice and we have no more jams. atm we have 1250 trains. Thabk you
16:23:29  <Vinnie_nl> thank you
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16:24:11  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> chicken thai tom kha soup
16:25:29  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> flowing real nice
16:26:14  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> need more trains on my ore mine, 1000 tonnes sitting there
16:26:48  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> production has rocketed
16:27:10  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> 1224 tonnes/month
16:28:56  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> hmm no response :(
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16:29:13  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> is the economy model always to increase production in coop?
16:29:28  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> no indstries can also die
16:29:55  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> I guess I must be lucky then as all of them have gone up
16:30:02  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> some by huge amounts
16:30:12  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> 1 in 10 dies or so
16:30:26  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> and rst grows like 3% a year
16:30:36  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> farm is now producing 1200 grain per month
16:30:38  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> 200 years and 3% is huge :)
16:30:52  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> :)
16:31:21  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> need more thomas the tank engines :)
16:32:07  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> my lips are burning :P
16:34:32  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> the bridge around Cadwood is mad funny :)
16:35:03  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> yeah
16:35:09  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> maybe make it more mad :)
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16:36:24  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> lol, you can make it more mad?
16:36:34  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> ofcourse
16:38:14  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> and the bridge to the oil below it has to be the longest single span I have ever seen
16:39:26  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> check gendtown west
16:40:24  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> lol
16:40:38  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> that one is longer :)
16:41:08  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> the channel tunnel on stilts
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16:46:06  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> how did pugi get so many forrests on that little island in the south
16:46:33  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> and a farm and ore
16:46:36  <PublicServer> <Maraxus> ask the rng
16:47:02  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> rng=?
16:47:11  <PublicServer> <Maraxus> random number generator
16:47:20  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> :)
16:47:32  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> very random'
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16:49:02  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> it really is quite a cute network
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16:50:01  <hylje> rng = random number god
16:50:26  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> really near grouped
16:53:45  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> Maraxus, are you playing or can I just spectate?
16:53:55  <PublicServer> <Maraxus> go ahead
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17:16:22  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> still no member arround?
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17:33:20  <Vinnie_nl> hey
17:36:42  <TWerkhoven> ola
17:37:24  <PublicServer> <TWerkhoven> ooh, ya finished the 3rd line
17:37:27  <PublicServer> <TWerkhoven> had fun doing it?
17:39:41  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> yeah it is fun
17:40:03  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> but i did it on multiple parts of the network
17:40:37  <TWerkhoven> :)
17:40:52  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> only we hit the trainlimit :(
17:43:05  <TWerkhoven> the usual then
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17:44:47  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> we can however wait and check BBH 05
17:44:57  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> i feel it is about to break
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17:56:28  <Vinnie_nl> !screen
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18:01:59  <Tray> !password
18:01:59  <PublicServer> Tray: crazed
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18:02:26  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> good evening
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18:10:20  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> is anyone building?
18:10:30  <PublicServer> <Maraxus> no
18:10:46  <PublicServer> <TWerkhoven> no
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18:11:17  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> so we are all waiting for the trainlimit to be raised :)
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18:46:22  <mfb-> hi
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18:48:30  <PublicServer> <mfb> any jams?
18:51:28  <mfb-> !rcon set max_trains 1375
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18:56:59  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> no jams, and hello
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19:19:45  <Vinnie_nl> !screen
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19:21:15  <PublicServer> <mfb> hmm
19:21:18  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> ?
19:21:29  <PublicServer> <mfb> maybe an interesting rule: "no TF for SLs/primaries
19:21:35  <PublicServer> <mfb> ;)
19:22:07  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> interesting
19:22:25  <PublicServer> <mfb> leads to nice spaghetti rails, too
19:22:43  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> you like that :)
19:22:51  <PublicServer> <mfb> indeed
19:23:29  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> i hate this
19:23:39  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> somehow the mainlines have gaps in signaling
19:23:52  <PublicServer> <mfb> the usual wtf
19:27:48  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> i got a nice one for you mfb
19:28:19  <PublicServer> <mfb> ?
19:28:35  <PublicServer> <mfb> what is !bride? :D
19:28:46  <PublicServer> <mfb> ah lol
19:28:55  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> try and fix that
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19:29:43  <PublicServer> <mfb> hmm
19:29:49  <PublicServer> <mfb> connection length would be ok
19:29:55  <PublicServer> <mfb> as it has to go south anyway
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19:32:50  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> no tf?
19:32:56  <PublicServer> <mfb> I try it :D
19:33:16  <PublicServer> <mfb> that is not the point
19:33:16  <pugi> hello again
19:33:20  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> hey
19:33:32  <PublicServer> <mfb> hi
19:33:40  <PublicServer> <Maraxus> hi
19:34:04  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> hmm i cant play on a touchpad
19:34:11  <PublicServer> <mfb> ah, got it
19:34:16  <pugi> well here we are again
19:34:26  <pugi> it's always such a pleasure...
19:34:34  <PublicServer> <mfb> hmm does not help
19:34:40  <PublicServer> <mfb> that works
19:36:33  <PublicServer> <mfb> hmm.. done
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19:48:59  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> i need another ml to fail :)
19:49:21  <PublicServer> <mfb> BBH06<->LV/STEEL N
19:50:15  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> that is just a bad merger
19:50:29  <PublicServer> <mfb> hmm
19:50:40  <PublicServer> <mfb> but it is part of the ML system :)
19:51:08  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> that fix is so easy
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19:57:00  <PublicServer> <Intexon> hello
19:57:07  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> hey
19:57:13  <PublicServer> <mfb> hi
19:57:15  <PublicServer> <Maraxus> hi
19:57:17  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> although it does not look better now
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19:59:26  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> farm also no tf?
19:59:36  <PublicServer> <mfb> the one I am building?
19:59:43  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> near Gunninghall
19:59:49  <PublicServer> <mfb> do you think I would build it so large with? ;)
20:00:07  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> i hope not
20:05:36  <PublicServer> <mfb> ah crap
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20:07:29  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> why are you happy with a CL 2 for the exit but the entry mut be CL 3
20:07:46  <PublicServer> <mfb> hmm
20:07:58  <PublicServer> <mfb> after that tunnel, it does not matter at all
20:08:14  <PublicServer> <mfb> now I have small CLs on both sides :D
20:08:50  <PublicServer> <mfb> I am not happy, but I accept them :)
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20:09:08  <PublicServer> <pugi> i love the autopassword thing =)
20:09:26  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> hmm i am going to start 3L_3R BBH06
20:09:49  <PublicServer> <pugi> is it needed?
20:09:54  <PublicServer> <pugi> hm okay
20:10:00  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> the BBH06 merger is not fast enough
20:10:03  <PublicServer> <pugi> yeah, just saw it
20:10:25  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> so i am going to make it till SLH 10
20:10:51  <PublicServer> <pugi> mfb, is (no TF) a new part of your nickname ? :P
20:10:57  <mfb-> no :p
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20:17:51  <Thorinbur> IDENTIFY
20:17:55  <Thorinbur> !Identify
20:18:15  <Thorinbur> grrr IRC noob again :)
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20:19:58  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> haha
20:20:13  <Thorinbur> Ok i got it now :)
20:20:43  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> this is so nice
20:21:01  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> Dominik places a reversed pbs for each SL exit
20:21:14  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> like he wants trains to keep on the mainline :)
20:23:41  <Thorinbur> good, now i am me
20:23:58  <Vinnie_nl> welcome
20:24:24  <Thorinbur> !password
20:24:25  <PublicServer> Thorinbur: blouse
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20:40:11  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> I love those stations. Nice eye candy.
20:41:23  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> only the drop needs a 4rd line and it is done
20:41:23  <pugi> add some more :D
20:41:27  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> 3rd
20:41:44  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> but that can wait
20:41:44  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> wh
20:41:45  <pugi> wood drop?
20:41:48  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> cya
20:41:50  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> which drop?
20:41:56  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> livestock and steel N
20:42:02  <pugi> ah
20:42:08  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> just copy one of the existing ones :)
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20:45:06  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> problem iis yoou still need to merge thaqt 3rd line
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20:46:27  <PublicServer> <mfb> that single bridge at SLH10 is a bottleneck now
20:47:43  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> where exactly?
20:47:53  <PublicServer> <LoPo> hey :P
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20:48:34  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> hello LoPo
20:58:12  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> Is anyone building anything? or you just checking network for possible problems?
20:58:43  <PublicServer> <LoPo> im checking out the experimental anti evil mode device
20:58:50  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> ok
20:58:52  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> ^^
20:59:08  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0003CE9B:
20:59:35  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> oh there is third line near the livestock/steel Drop both in and out
21:01:29  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> there is problem with livestock and steel drop N
21:01:45  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> we need smarter signalling
21:01:47  <PublicServer> <LoPo> where?
21:02:01  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> on dropstations entrance
21:02:15  <PublicServer> <LoPo> i see
21:02:26  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> trains dont use platforms efiiciently
21:02:57  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> we need either PBSs or presidals
21:03:44  <PublicServer> <LoPo> hmmm
21:04:04  <PublicServer> <LoPo> first try it at one
21:04:06  <PublicServer> <mfb> wait
21:04:09  <PublicServer> <mfb> who removed the X there :(
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21:04:19  <PublicServer> <LoPo> which X ?
21:04:31  <PublicServer> <mfb> at "removed slowing snakes"
21:04:39  <PublicServer> <mfb> (well, I found the answer)
21:04:41  <PublicServer> <LoPo> ow, dunno
21:04:47  <PublicServer> <LoPo> yeah
21:04:49  <PublicServer> <LoPo> oky
21:04:51  <PublicServer> <mfb> pugi: not the X were the problem
21:05:05  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> seems to be working  i will copy thhat on other one
21:05:22  <PublicServer> <mfb> no, it does not
21:05:32  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> ?
21:05:42  <PublicServer> <LoPo> Thorinbur: its not the entrance btw
21:05:45  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> are we talking about the same thing?
21:05:55  <PublicServer> <mfb> that near cadwood?
21:05:55  <PublicServer> <LoPo> there are more train taking tho north station
21:05:57  <PublicServer> <mfb> I think so
21:06:15  <PublicServer> <LoPo> im talking about LS/Steel drop
21:06:22  <PublicServer> <LoPo> mfd about snakes ;P
21:07:20  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> now they should use all platforms
21:07:35  <PublicServer> <LoPo> they already do
21:08:22  <PublicServer> <LoPo> imo the balancer is to far away from the station
21:08:38  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> there were only regular signals there and sometimes train tended to wait for the last platform to free and was blocking
21:08:49  <PublicServer> <LoPo> oky
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21:10:04  <Thorinbur_> bleh i changed my IP :/
21:10:10  <PublicServer> <LoPo> lol
21:10:24  <Thorinbur_> anyway there is merge there of third line
21:11:12  <Thorinbur_> both stations need to be copied and connected separately
21:11:16  <Thorinbur_> !password
21:11:16  <PublicServer> Thorinbur_: skates
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21:11:59  <PublicServer> <LoPo> it not the merg as well :P
21:12:00  <Spuuukie> hi@all
21:12:05  <PublicServer> <LoPo> hi
21:12:11  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> hello
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21:14:11  <Thorinbur> ok I am ne yet again:)
21:14:19  <PublicServer> <LoPo> ?
21:14:24  <Spuuukie> !password
21:14:24  <PublicServer> Spuuukie: skates
21:14:30  <Thorinbur> There was ghost of me when i dropped
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21:15:45  <Dominik2000> hello
21:15:47  <Dominik2000> !password
21:15:47  <PublicServer> Dominik2000: skates
21:15:51  <PublicServer> <LoPo> hi
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21:16:21  <PublicServer> <LoPo> see what i did Thorinbur?
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21:16:27  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> where?
21:16:41  <PublicServer> <LoPo> at LS/STEEL drop entrance
21:17:17  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> small balancer?
21:17:23  <PublicServer> <LoPo> yep
21:17:46  <PublicServer> <LoPo> but its just to crouded :P
21:17:56  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> we need third station
21:18:00  <PublicServer> <LoPo> ye
21:18:10  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> so we wont have to merge the 3rd line
21:18:37  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> and i think pbs would be slightly faster than presignals
21:21:40  <PublicServer> *** mfb has joined spectators
21:23:11  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> why we reduce two lanes to one and then to the ls/steel drop
21:23:11  <pugi> mfb: i know the X didn't create the problem...
21:23:15  <pugi> but they amplified it
21:23:21  <pugi> and were just stupid :D
21:23:23  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> isn't this a bottleneck?
21:23:37  <PublicServer> <LoPo> hmmm?
21:23:47  <PublicServer> <LoPo> where?
21:24:02  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> at !here
21:24:16  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> i think it stops the trains on the ml
21:24:20  <PublicServer> <LoPo> the station "design" has one entrance?
21:24:40  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> I wasn't really in this game til very and but i believe 3rd line was added later
21:25:00  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> thus merge and only 2 stations we are expanding it right now
21:25:39  <PublicServer> <LoPo> go ahead :)
21:25:57  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> yes but there are much trains and  it is not causing a jam now, but maybe later if more train comes
21:26:31  <PublicServer> <LoPo> k
21:26:48  <PublicServer> <LoPo> ill make the balancer exit ready for the 3rd station
21:29:10  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 000177B3:
21:33:49  <PublicServer> <Maraxus> gn
21:34:02  <PublicServer> <LoPo> bb
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21:35:04  <PublicServer> <LoPo> lol :P
21:35:14  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> ?
21:35:24  <PublicServer> <LoPo> did something wrong :P
21:36:24  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> i am trying to make my way to the other side to the goods pickup :)
21:36:47  <PublicServer> <LoPo> good
21:36:52  <Thorinbur> what was the command for tunnel length?
21:36:56  <Thorinbur> !tl
21:37:00  <Thorinbur> !bl
21:37:12  <PublicServer> <mfb> it is easier to do that west of the factory
21:37:37  <TWerkhoven> @gap
21:37:37  <Webster> TWerkhoven: (gap <trainlength> [<split>]) -- Returns minimum and maximum signal gap sizes for 2,3 and 4 linesplits with <trainlength>. If <spilt> is given it will return the gap sizes for <split> (+/-) 1.
21:38:13  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> thank you i feel like such a noob again
21:38:20  <PublicServer> <mfb> np ;)
21:39:07  <Thorinbur> mfb :) not you i was thanking for a gap command actually bu will look into your advice as well
21:39:33  <PublicServer> <mfb> :p
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21:41:58  <Thorinbur> !gap 3
21:41:58  <PublicServer> Thorinbur: !gap <trainlength> <gap>: Returns amount of tunnels/bridges needed. Formula: (<gap>+<trainlength>-2)/(<trainlength>+2)
21:43:40  <Thorinbur> !gap 3 10
21:43:40  <PublicServer> Thorinbur: You need 3 tunnels/bridges for trainlength 3 and gap 10.
21:44:10  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00017DD1:
21:44:44  <PublicServer> <mfb> wtf triple bridges
21:44:54  <PublicServer> <mfb> what are you doing
21:45:13  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> i am trying to get under all that shit to the other side
21:45:26  <PublicServer> <mfb> ?
21:45:47  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> we can offord 3 bridges XD
21:45:53  <PublicServer> <mfb> and split to the other side
21:45:59  <PublicServer> <mfb> no need to bridge the same line
21:47:56  <pugi> Thorinbur, use @gap or @tunnel and not the ! commands
21:48:03  <pugi> they tell you more
21:48:07  <pugi> @gap 3
21:48:07  <Webster> pugi: For Trainlength of 3: <= 9 needs 2, 10 - 14 needs 3, 15 - 19 needs 4.
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21:50:08  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> bleh i already forgot how mind bending it is when you are not in the "shape"
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21:53:00  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> you can finish after me
21:54:25  <PublicServer> <LoPo> pffff
21:54:27  <PublicServer> <LoPo> finally :P
21:54:48  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> beautiful :)
21:54:58  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> i agree, really nice
21:55:05  <PublicServer> <LoPo> thx
21:55:11  <PublicServer> <LoPo> i almost went mad :P
21:55:22  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> now for the second station
21:55:28  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> the second lane on the begin isn't connected
21:55:30  <PublicServer> <LoPo> but then i though, "oky back to the old method"
21:55:47  <PublicServer> <LoPo> where?
21:55:49  <PublicServer> <LoPo> :P
21:55:55  <PublicServer> <LoPo> relax :)
21:55:59  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> no sorry
21:56:11  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> is ok :)
21:56:36  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> wait with connecting
21:56:44  <PublicServer> <LoPo> to late :p
21:56:50  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> we need to merge it with pickup
21:57:04  <PublicServer> <LoPo> already done
21:57:11  <PublicServer> <LoPo> ow entrance?
21:57:13  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> ther
21:57:16  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> o wait
21:57:30  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> there is no third pickup station yet
21:57:38  <PublicServer> <LoPo> pickup is at east
21:57:58  <PublicServer> <LoPo> also pickup doesnt need third
21:58:01  <PublicServer> <LoPo> i think :)
21:58:24  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> but i already made a line there :)
21:58:36  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> only station  is missing
21:59:11  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00016FAC:
22:00:05  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> why so big prio?
22:00:12  <PublicServer> <LoPo> less tf :P
22:00:20  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> haha
22:02:23  <PublicServer> <LoPo> ;P
22:02:42  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> i was making my way to make third pickup station for third lane
22:02:45  <PublicServer> <LoPo> guys :P
22:02:52  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> but now i am confused
22:02:54  <PublicServer> <mfb> I mean the X there
22:03:08  <PublicServer> <mfb> oh, and the split needs better signals
22:03:47  <PublicServer> <mfb> no, the third line there is ok
22:03:57  <PublicServer> <LoPo> see my signs
22:03:59  <PublicServer> <LoPo> do it like that
22:04:45  <PublicServer> <Thorinbur> fine but i got to go, you can rebuild that if you want
22:04:55  <PublicServer> <LoPo> ow :|
22:05:13  <PublicServer> <LoPo> well :P bye then
22:05:19  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> bye
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22:05:24  <PublicServer> <mfb> bye
22:05:34  <Thorinbur> will be back later today
22:05:41  <PublicServer> <LoPo> k :)
22:05:43  <Thorinbur> off to kill some zombies with friends
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22:09:57  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> is !this merger needed any more?
22:10:23  <PublicServer> <LoPo> not if we connect 3rd
22:10:33  <PublicServer> <LoPo> help me with the entrance :)
22:10:43  <PublicServer> <LoPo> can you build the split?
22:10:57  <PublicServer> <LoPo> and pull the line next to th rest?
22:10:59  <PublicServer> <mfb> what about !that split?
22:11:01  <PublicServer> <mfb> why the sign?
22:11:04  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> to the goods pickup
22:11:30  <PublicServer> <LoPo> "that split" will be removed mfd :)
22:12:00  <PublicServer> <mfb> coal/ore -> SLH12?
22:12:37  <PublicServer> <mfb> ok, double bridge is really oversized
22:12:49  <PublicServer> <LoPo> ?
22:12:56  <PublicServer> <LoPo> where?
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22:14:11  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 000187D7:
22:14:14  <mfb-> at "that split"...
22:14:19  <PublicServer> <LoPo> ye
22:17:29  <PublicServer> <LoPo> argh....
22:17:30  <Spuuukie> what are the terraforming rules of this game?
22:17:53  <PublicServer> <LoPo> its in the wiki :P
22:18:14  <V453000> have you actually read the wiki tf page lopo?
22:18:22  <PublicServer> <LoPo> yeha :D
22:18:24  <V453000> because there is something quite a bit different afaik :)
22:18:40  <PublicServer> <LoPo> realy?
22:19:02  <V453000>
22:19:09  <Spuuukie> yeah, but i mean the active game
22:19:18  <V453000> well if "correct terraforming" is correct, then wtf :)
22:19:25  <Spuuukie> there are many styles described in the wiki ;)
22:19:40  <V453000> the wiki is not too updated
22:19:46  <V453000> so the best way is to ask, just like you did
22:19:52  <V453000> unfortunately you got the wrong answer :P
22:20:21  <Spuuukie> :) thought that
22:21:08  <PublicServer> *** mfb has joined company #1
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22:21:18  <V453000> which brings the question why does nobody care about the wiki :(
22:21:22  <PublicServer> *** mfb has joined company #1
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22:21:46  <PublicServer> <LoPo> i care, but i dont "care" the wiki :P
22:21:56  <PublicServer> <LoPo> to little time
22:22:12  <V453000> lies
22:22:20  <PublicServer> <LoPo> omg! :P
22:22:23  <PublicServer> <LoPo> how did you know?
22:22:30  <Spuuukie> well i read the wiki... but i've been to long away from openttd to write something about it ;)
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22:23:13  <V453000> because if someone cared at least a tiny bit about the junctionary with which I tried to catch your attention, I would have plenty suggestions what to put there as it takes no real extra time to anyone
22:23:23  <V453000> I can count the suggestions on fingers of 0 hands
22:23:35  <PublicServer> <LoPo> oky
22:23:45  <PublicServer> <LoPo> hmmm
22:23:54  <V453000> I dont expect anyone to actually write anything if nobody did even that
22:23:54  <PublicServer> <LoPo> i had one but i forgot :S
22:24:56  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> ok can we connect the 3rd line
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22:25:13  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> hi
22:25:19  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> oh sorry you haven't finished
22:25:21  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> hi
22:27:00  <PublicServer> <LoPo> k connect it
22:28:29  <PublicServer> <LoPo> single bridge enough?
22:28:31  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> nop
22:28:41  <PublicServer> <LoPo> then double it ^^
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22:29:59  <PublicServer> <LoPo> done :D
22:30:08  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> very good :)
22:30:24  <PublicServer> <LoPo> ow man...
22:30:46  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> ?
22:30:46  <PublicServer> <LoPo> entrance of the 3rd line is not balanced between stations....
22:33:12  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> hmmm
22:33:57  <PublicServer> <LoPo> hmmm?
22:34:09  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> entrance balance
22:34:37  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> there's not so much space
22:35:27  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> hmmm, out of trains again
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22:37:15  <Spuuukie> well good night then ;) ...its nice to see openttdcoop still exists
22:37:22  <PublicServer> <LoPo> :)
22:37:30  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> gn
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22:39:31  <Xotic750> !password
22:39:31  <PublicServer> Xotic750: bugged
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22:43:49  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> all done with the livestock drop?
22:44:03  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> no the entrance balancer is missing
22:44:12  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00018DD5:
22:44:32  <PublicServer> <LoPo> look at it and then say if it needs improvements or not :P
22:45:30  <PublicServer> <LoPo> dont build to thight
22:45:34  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> god knows, my first experience of 3 lines
22:45:46  <PublicServer> <LoPo> well, do you see that jam? :P
22:45:54  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> but if I see something obvious :)
22:45:56  <PublicServer> <LoPo> al the way up to the BBH
22:46:14  <PublicServer> <LoPo> so :P yes it needs improvement
22:46:16  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> yep
22:47:27  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> so the exit is feeding directly back to the jam in the entrance
22:47:33  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> at the bbh
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22:47:52  <PublicServer> <LoPo> ?
22:47:54  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> a big circular jam
22:48:03  <PublicServer> <LoPo> wut?
22:48:07  <PublicServer> <LoPo> no look better
22:48:16  <PublicServer> <LoPo> trains can never turn at a BBH
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22:48:48  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> the excessive trains on the exit of the livestock drop feed back into the entrance jam back up in bbh06
22:49:20  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> I guess trying to get to SLH10?
22:50:07  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> that's just how it looks to me, I may be wrong
22:50:11  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> LoPo: do you build the lane to the 3rd ls station
22:50:29  <PublicServer> <LoPo> nha you may finnish it
22:50:35  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> ok
22:50:53  <PublicServer> <LoPo> but there are some CL and signal gap issues at your construction :)
22:51:17  <PublicServer> <LoPo> so try to review them
22:51:23  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> ok
22:52:32  <PublicServer> <mfb> that is bad
22:52:38  <PublicServer> <mfb> no tile for a signal
22:52:50  <PublicServer> <mfb> yes, !this
22:52:53  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> yeah
22:52:55  <PublicServer> <mfb> the old one was better
22:53:14  <PublicServer> <mfb> like that
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22:56:52  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> I guess I should have built those drops bigger at the veryy begining of the game
22:57:30  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> but I had little idea how much traffic would be going through them
22:57:40  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> :D
22:57:58  <PublicServer> <Xotic750> and 12 platforms seemed pretty damn big :)
22:58:48  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> one lane is missing...
22:59:12  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00019BD4:
22:59:25  <PublicServer> <LoPo> ?
23:01:51  <PublicServer> <LoPo> which lane?
23:02:10  <PublicServer> <LoPo> to the first
23:02:14  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> to the 3rd
23:02:18  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> station
23:02:20  <PublicServer> <LoPo> ah
23:02:22  <PublicServer> <LoPo> i see
23:02:27  <PublicServer> <mfb> that is no problem
23:02:46  <PublicServer> <LoPo> ye not realy
23:02:56  <PublicServer> <mfb> looking at train distribution, I think the station will work better without balancing
23:03:10  <PublicServer> <mfb> too many trains want to use the middle part
23:03:28  <PublicServer> <LoPo> woha epic lag :P
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23:03:35  <PublicServer> <mfb> seen !broken
23:03:38  <PublicServer> <mfb> -n
23:06:11  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> there was an entry signal ^
23:06:23  <PublicServer> <mfb> at the moment, there is not
23:06:26  <PublicServer> <mfb> now there is
23:06:28  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> yeah i see
23:07:51  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> what is the problem with not good?
23:08:05  <PublicServer> <mfb> the entry signal is bad for good trains
23:08:23  <PublicServer> <mfb> it can wait for LV/steel drop trains without reason
23:08:37  <PublicServer> <mfb> and it is a signal gap of 2 for many trains
23:08:56  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> ok i see
23:09:51  <PublicServer> <mfb> but !broken is the real problem ;)
23:10:09  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> yeah but it seems that my experience is too low
23:10:45  <PublicServer> <mfb> that is an improvement
23:10:48  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> ok ^
23:10:50  <PublicServer> <mfb> at least it cannot block now
23:10:58  <PublicServer> <mfb> the good train thing is still there
23:14:19  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 000187D7:
23:14:35  <PublicServer> <mfb> jam at BBH05
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23:15:08  <PublicServer> <mfb> I think that needs a 3rd line, too
23:18:45  <PublicServer> <LoPo> where was !broken?
23:21:13  <mfb-> !rcon set max_trains 1500
23:21:13  <PublicServer> mfb-: CmdLevelLand      Dominik2000  date:2287-10-02  tile:00016FD1  p1:00016FD1 p2:00000004 text: price:310
23:21:55  <PublicServer> <LoPo> why the hack at slh 06 mfd?
23:22:05  <PublicServer> <mfb> trains waited too long at the single bridge
23:22:13  <PublicServer> <LoPo> k
23:22:16  <PublicServer> <mfb> now they can use both
23:23:54  <PublicServer> <LoPo> i blame the transmitter :P
23:24:10  <PublicServer> <mfb> :p
23:25:44  <PublicServer> <mfb> with the single tunnel, the double bridge is a bit pointless
23:25:46  <PublicServer> <LoPo> 55% better :P
23:25:52  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> oh shit :D
23:25:58  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> yeah
23:26:20  <PublicServer> <mfb> and a 1->3 split is best like that
23:26:30  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> ok
23:27:04  <PublicServer> <mfb> that is possible, too
23:27:12  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> thats look best
23:27:28  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> the good train problem exists
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23:29:26  <PublicServer> <mfb> :D
23:29:32  <PublicServer> <LoPo> lol
23:29:47  <PublicServer> <LoPo> :)
23:29:49  <PublicServer> <LoPo> there
23:30:43  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> it hink
23:30:56  <PublicServer> <LoPo> hmmm
23:30:59  <PublicServer> <LoPo> weird :P
23:33:02  <PublicServer> <LoPo> we could remove some brack space
23:33:08  <PublicServer> <LoPo> for that extra tile
23:33:22  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> yeah we need one tile
23:37:00  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> better i think
23:37:16  <PublicServer> <LoPo> leave the penalties
23:38:24  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> sorry
23:38:48  <PublicServer> <LoPo> that will not work :P
23:39:04  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> what?
23:39:21  <PublicServer> <LoPo> you need a backward pbs signal
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23:40:55  <PublicServer> <LoPo> k im afk
23:40:55  <PublicServer> <LoPo> :P
23:41:01  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> bye
23:41:05  <PublicServer> <mfb> cu
23:42:59  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> ok thanks for your support i'm going to sleep
23:43:09  <PublicServer> <mfb> good night
23:43:25  <PublicServer> <Dominik2000> night
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