Log for #openttdcoop on 1st May 2012:
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02:11:21  <Steven> !password
02:11:21  <PublicServer> Steven: magnum
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05:33:22  <PublicServer> Absolutis: stylus
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06:04:55  <Ryton> g'mornin (here at least)
06:05:46  <Ryton> time for a new game today?
06:06:10  <Absolutis> possibly
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07:19:28  <dwarf> !password
07:19:28  <PublicServer> dwarf: stylus
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10:34:28  <Ryton> !topic
10:34:39  <Ryton> @topic
10:34:39  <Webster> Ryton: Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG234 (r24119) | STAGE: Building | | New players, use @quickstart and !help |
10:35:06  <Ryton> still building stage.
10:35:14  <Ryton> @info
10:35:28  <Ryton> !info
10:35:28  <PublicServer> Ryton: #:1(Orange) Company Name: 'Prunbourne Transport'  Year Founded: 2100  Money: 28795144209  Loan: 0  Value: 28798578367  (T:1760, R:0, P:0, S:0) unprotected
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10:40:50  <Cermix> !password
10:40:50  <PublicServer> Cermix: stylus
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10:52:31  <Big_Meech> did stable go down on me?
10:52:43  <Big_Meech> or am i stoopid ?
10:52:45  <Big_Meech> xD
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10:53:22  <Big_Meech> anyone?
10:55:20  <Big_Meech> stable is offline?
10:55:42  <V453000> looks like it
10:55:49  <Big_Meech> ok
10:56:09  <Big_Meech> ty
11:01:29  <th_gergo> !version
11:01:29  <PublicServer> th_gergo: Autopilot AP+ 4.0 Beta (r99.422ef4e8cbe1)
11:03:10  <th_gergo> !download
11:03:10  <PublicServer> th_gergo: !download autostart|autottd|lin|lin64|osx|ottdau|source|win32|win64|win9x
11:03:10  <PublicServer> th_gergo:
11:06:12  <th_gergo> !password
11:06:12  <PublicServer> th_gergo: tented
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11:06:31  <PublicServer> <thgergo> hi
11:07:52  <Big_Meech> ih
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11:57:25  <Webster> Hi! From all your Coop Friends!
11:58:23  <Mark> hello
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12:44:18  <Mark> !password
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13:06:01  <Dvohoritch> !password
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13:17:21  <XeryusTC>
13:17:22  <Webster> Title: Tenacious D boos op regisseurs videoclip | | Het laatste nieuws het eerst op (at
13:17:25  <XeryusTC> scroll to the bottom of the page
13:17:30  <XeryusTC> play the clip
13:17:33  <XeryusTC> make it fullscreen
13:17:37  <XeryusTC> wait for brain to recover
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13:57:16  <Mazth> dutchies! :P
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17:21:42  <Ryton> @wiki pre-accellerated joiner
17:21:56  <Webster> Ryton: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
17:21:56  <Ryton> @wiki accellerated joiner
17:22:03  <Ryton> @wiki accellerated
17:22:03  <Webster> Ryton: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
17:22:06  <Webster> Ryton: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
17:22:18  <Ryton> @wiki joiner
17:22:25  <Webster> Ryton: I didn't find anything for "joiner", but here's the result for "Advanced joiners":
17:22:26  <Ryton> pff :P
17:22:26  <Webster> Ryton:
17:22:27  <Webster> Ryton: by XeryusTC
17:22:38  <Ryton> ty Webster
17:22:38  <Webster> Okay, but I'm a bot
17:22:56  <Ryton> hmm
17:23:21  <Ryton> just 1 4>5 joiner in advanced joiners page... shouldnt that be extended?
17:24:02  <XeryusTC> wow, that page is old :P
17:24:24  <XeryusTC> back in the day when we did a lot of R&D
17:24:52  <Ryton> I thought I saw a game in PZ some time
17:24:56  <Ryton> with a stopper and accellerated joiner
17:25:02  <Ryton> but cant find it anymore :s
17:25:34  <XeryusTC> no clue what you´re talking about
17:28:16  <Ryton> nvr mind
17:28:21  <Ryton> I'll find it (hopefully :-))
17:29:07  <Ryton> It started from an (old) blog article, discussing them as a good solution. but its only scarcely discussed in any other page on the wiki or even the forum :-)
17:29:32  <Ryton> so I'd like to check out what is ment with pre-accellerated joiner, and if they are of any use
17:29:40  <V453000> pzg13?
17:32:09  <Ryton> yes, that was the one with the stopper
17:32:48  <Ryton> but that is a timed SML game
17:33:08  <Ryton> cant pre-accelleration be used as well to -try to- fill small mainline gaps? :-)
17:35:11  <V453000> well, yes
17:35:18  <V453000> but I dont think we have any such working game atm
17:35:34  <V453000> so where-ever you look you will probably find just broken pre-accelerators
17:35:57  <V453000> unless you open it with a revision which does not have the acceleration changes, like the pzg13 revision
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17:36:52  <Ryton> accelleration behaviour was changed then?
17:36:59  <Ryton> btw, I ment
17:37:06  <Ryton> dating from begin 2010 :-)
17:37:14  <V453000> yes, if you open pzg13 in the latest revision it wont work
17:37:17  <V453000> ah that
17:37:23  <Ryton> but your PZ 13 matches the description quite well :-)
17:37:26  <V453000> well that was used in psg 172
17:37:31  <Ryton> ah ty
17:37:38  <V453000> but that is just the failsafe SML
17:37:38  <Ryton> then thats what Iwas looking for :-D
17:37:44  <V453000> no accelerated joiners afaik
17:38:02  <V453000> I dont think we used anything else from that article
17:38:12  <Ryton> a pitty
17:38:31  <Ryton> osai wrote: (cyclotron) Its just too much work for too less effect and pre-accelerated joiners are the better choice.
17:38:50  <V453000> yes, but even pre-accel joiners are mostly pointless
17:38:52  <Ryton> but I coudnt find what he ment with pre-accelerated joiners. later he describes failsave as well
17:39:16  <V453000> I know there are some pre-accels in psg 170 and I had an accelerated prio on sawmill exit in psg 184
17:39:29  <Ryton> why? I could imagine some usefull functions
17:39:39  <Ryton> ok ty, I'll check those 3 out already :-))
17:39:42  <V453000> well firstly because it is quite unreliable
17:40:06  <V453000> to make it work 100% proper you would have to make there either stopper logic to make sure trains do stop at some certain point
17:40:13  <V453000> or some other solution which would just make it large
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17:40:46  <Ryton> misclick :-))
17:41:12  <Ryton> well, large can be ok if effective imho :-)
17:41:20  <Ryton> look at current Sweets MSH ;-) :P
17:41:59  <Ryton> and that is "only" half a MSH, +BBH :-)
17:43:27  <V453000> yes but pre accelerated would be X times larger
17:43:33  <Ryton> I'll experiment a bit
17:43:55  <V453000> the worst thing is that to make it work properly you need quite a ridiculously high amount of logic
17:44:04  <V453000> I mean ... it is probably just a gate and a train but still
17:44:10  <Ryton> I was thinking of a SLH exit connecting to an almost full mainline
17:44:20  <Ryton> (with space) :-)
17:44:26  <V453000> yes
17:44:38  <V453000> that would probably be reasonable
17:44:50  <V453000> lately I like to make stuff on the downhill instead
17:45:01  <Ryton> yeah, that worked well a few games ago :-))
17:45:22  <Ryton> e.g. with Fruit drop
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17:48:32  <Ryton> or food drop, idk anymore :s
18:00:25  <Ryton> wow, I like the delayer system from osai (PSG170)
18:01:26  <Ryton> & the way it is used at the other side of the map :D
18:03:56  <Mark> ready for a new map?
18:04:59  <Mark> V453000: how many more nuts did you drop over the weekend? :P
18:07:53  <Ryton> stage => finalizing?
18:08:51  <Mark> @stage Finalizing
18:08:51  *** Webster changes topic to "Welcome to #openttdcoop, the Cooperative OpenTTD | PSG234 (r24119) | STAGE: Finalizing | | New players, use @quickstart and !help |"
18:09:04  <Mark> looks pretty much finished to me?
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18:14:18  <V453000> do all trains turn profit?
18:14:33  <V453000> nuts dont have new official release yet
18:14:36  <Mark> i wouldnt know, too many trains for me to check
18:14:38  <Mark> i doubt it tbh
18:14:40  <V453000> I am just redrawing 2nd gen wagons
18:14:50  <V453000> just sorth them through profit
18:14:56  <Mark> yeah i cant join :P
18:14:59  <V453000> or see if rating is 100 points for that
18:15:04  <V453000> ah right :)
18:15:20  <Mark> pax game?
18:15:22  <V453000> y
18:15:23  <Mark> !password
18:15:23  <PublicServer> Mark: minted
18:15:29  <Mark> cool
18:15:30  <Mark> im making
18:15:35  <Mark> unless you got a map already
18:15:37  <V453000> but I think finalizing should take a while
18:15:41  <V453000> nah you make this time
18:15:51  <Mark> :)
18:15:53  <V453000> making trains turn profit needs really smooth network :)
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18:16:20  <Mark> and not too many trains at primaries
18:16:53  <V453000> primaries should have high productions already
18:17:18  <PublicServer> <Mark> most negative ones seem to be in a "catch lost trains" depot
18:17:24  <PublicServer> <Mark> other than that, not too bad at all
18:18:19  <PublicServer> <Mark> just 4 trains
18:18:26  <V453000> thought so
18:18:39  <V453000> the profit should be good as pretty much every train delivers 2ndary too
18:18:51  <PublicServer> <Mark> hm yea
18:19:45  <Mark> whats the prefered bridgeset to go with nuts?
18:20:12  <Ryton> !password
18:20:12  <PublicServer> Ryton: minted
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18:21:56  <Mark> thats what i mean :P
18:22:00  <Mark> too many trains..
18:22:15  <PublicServer> <Ryton> it caught many trains :p
18:22:21  <PublicServer> <Ryton> mfb's traps
18:22:32  <Mark> yeah
18:23:21  <V453000> newbridges is best but depends
18:23:23  <PublicServer> <Ryton> even SLH08 trains
18:24:01  <PublicServer> <Ryton> can someone unpauze?
18:24:07  <PublicServer> <Ryton> got to make a quick change
18:24:14  <PublicServer> <Ryton> messed something up last night :p
18:24:24  <PublicServer> <Ryton> prio of length 1 :-) :$
18:24:36  <PublicServer> <Ryton> but not in an important position
18:24:45  <Maraxus> !password
18:24:45  <PublicServer> Maraxus: minted
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18:24:58  <PublicServer> <Ryton> ty
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18:25:22  <PublicServer> <Ryton> fixed
18:25:24  <PublicServer> <Ryton> thx
18:25:30  <PublicServer> <Maraxus> np
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18:27:12  <V453000> newbridges are great because they work with UK roads ... otherwise just use no bridge set. I guess you want roadset for pax game
18:27:22  <V453000> TBRS is usable without roadset only
18:28:31  <Mark> !getsave
18:28:33  <PublicServer> Mark: OK :-)
18:28:38  <Mark> its there waiting for you
18:28:43  <Mark> cofee
18:39:21  <V453000> !password
18:39:21  <PublicServer> V453000: minted
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19:09:26  <XeryusTC> new game as nuts again or something else?
19:09:54  <XeryusTC> +h
19:10:37  <hylje> that's nuts
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19:20:29  <Cermix> !password
19:20:29  <PublicServer> Cermix: babied
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19:27:03  <PublicServer> <Cermix> what to do with lost trains?
19:32:53  <XeryusTC> burn them
19:33:33  <Chris_Booth> crash them
19:40:18  <Ryton> 30ish
19:40:24  <Ryton> thats a lot :p
19:40:38  <Ryton> change them into nyan cats first!
19:42:38  <Chris_Booth> yes
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20:48:15  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> hi
20:48:17  <PublicServer> <V453000> o/
20:49:16  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> I only have 3 days left of my old job!
20:49:20  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> then a week off
20:49:27  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> then new job :)
20:50:07  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> what I don't understand is who people can moan that there are no jobs in the UK?
20:50:13  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> I found 2 in 2 years
20:50:29  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> people are just to lazy
20:50:37  <PublicServer> <V453000> :)
20:50:43  <PublicServer> <V453000> but yes that is the case generally nowadays
20:50:53  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> rant over how is mr V453000?
20:51:09  <PublicServer> <V453000> me is ~ok
20:51:27  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> good to here
20:51:42  <PublicServer> <V453000> 2nd gen of wagons is 99% complete
20:51:57  <PublicServer> <V453000> going to be followed with major improvement of other gens too :)
20:52:15  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> oooh
20:52:37  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> I went car shopping today, but didn't see one I really wanted
20:52:59  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> but I am rather tempted by the BMW123d M Coupé
20:53:05  <PublicServer> <V453000> :o
20:53:33  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> just need to justify spending £13k on a car when I have a nice Focus ST
20:53:42  <PublicServer> <V453000> :D
20:53:43  <Mark> no need to
20:54:11  <Chris_Booth> lol Mark you don't like fast cars?
20:54:19  <Mark> no need to justify :P
20:54:23  <Mark> man buy cars they dont need
20:54:24  <Mark> period
20:54:43  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> ah good!
20:55:01  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> I will sell my Focus and buy the BMW
20:55:26  <Mark> great idea
20:55:44  <Mark> if you got 13k to spend anyway, get a motorbike
20:56:03  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> oh no I would kill myself, and I know you are thinking that a great idea
20:56:16  <Mark> :D
20:56:20  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> but I am not sure my GF, Family or Work would think that
20:56:20  <V453000> xD
20:56:23  <V453000> Mark being evil
20:57:00  <Mark> have all negative trains been tracked down yet?
20:57:01  <Mark> !password
20:57:01  <PublicServer> Mark: harped
20:57:08  <PublicServer> <V453000> more or less
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20:57:19  <V453000> !rcon set max_trains 0
20:57:25  <CornishPasty> :O
20:57:26  <Mark> im getting my motorbike lincense the day i got time and money
20:57:39  <PublicServer> <V453000> I have it :p
20:57:42  <PublicServer> <Mark> :O
20:57:48  <PublicServer> <Mark> you got a bike too?
20:57:51  <PublicServer> <V453000> yes
20:57:57  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> I got mine 2 years ago
20:57:59  <PublicServer> <Mark> nice
20:58:05  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> but binned the bike in a bush
20:58:05  <PublicServer> <Mark> what kind?
20:58:08  <PublicServer> <Mark> you noob
20:58:14  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> lol I was
20:58:18  <PublicServer> <V453000> just 125ccm, yamaha yzf r125
20:58:21  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> poor honda CB500
20:58:43  <PublicServer> <V453000> but its great, doesnt eat much gasoline and it is just enough power for me
20:59:39  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> is that one one that is similar to the Aprillia RS 125?
20:59:54  <PublicServer> <V453000> dont think aprilia is too similar but idk
21:00:00  <PublicServer> <V453000> maybe a bit
21:00:30  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> is it a proper bike style 125 or a moped?
21:00:37  <PublicServer> <V453000> proper
21:00:59  <V453000>
21:01:00  <Webster> Title: yamaha yzf r125 - Hledat Googlem (at
21:01:31  <PublicServer> <V453000> toy station in some world of hurt
21:01:41  <PublicServer> <V453000> the entrance is jamming quite a bit
21:02:03  <PublicServer> <V453000> moar choices would helpp I guess
21:02:05  <Chris_Booth> was the one I was thinking of V and its a nice bik
21:02:15  <PublicServer> <V453000> cant complain
21:02:25  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth>,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=1af383758e523ce2
21:02:26  <Webster> Title: yamaha yzf r125 - Hledat Googlem (at
21:02:27  <PublicServer> <V453000> I was doing the driving school on a 500cc and it was just too strong for me
21:02:34  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> similar sort of idea but from aprilia
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21:03:14  <V453000> ah yeah I know that one ... but I heard that it has quite low lifetime and low reliability
21:03:20  <V453000> aprilia .. :)
21:03:37  <Chris_Booth> lol
21:04:16  <Chris_Booth> is now my default google epic!
21:04:31  <V453000> xD
21:04:32  <V453000> hax
21:04:53  <PublicServer> <Chris Booth> I just replaced google pirate with it :P
21:08:03  <PublicServer> <Mark> oh no more negatives
21:08:10  <PublicServer> <Mark> just 189
21:08:17  <PublicServer> <Mark> will be positive soon
21:08:51  <PublicServer> <V453000> sweets entrance jams too :z
21:09:03  <PublicServer> *** Mark has left the game (leaving)
21:09:31  <PublicServer> <V453000> btw Mark the savegame has TTRS roads, but newbridges ... either remove newbridges or remove TTRS roads and add UKRS roads
21:09:32  <Chris_Booth> people at work will now not understand my googles!
21:09:36  <PublicServer> <V453000> *UK roads
21:11:27  <Mark> !getsave
21:11:29  <PublicServer> Mark: OK :-)
21:11:31  <Mark> there
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21:11:50  <Chris_Booth> bed time for me
21:11:53  <Chris_Booth> night guys
21:12:15  <PublicServer> <V453000> cya
21:13:04  <V453000> hm the stations are a bit weird Mark
21:13:13  <V453000> the PGS is replaced with some other newgrf I think
21:13:17  <V453000> non-obsolete
21:13:31  <V453000> and you dont have some pax stations there, not sure if that is intentional
21:13:35  <Chris_Booth> isr
21:13:52  <V453000> most notably japanese and newstations
21:13:59  <Chris_Booth> ISR replaces PGS
21:14:11  <V453000> no that is something else
21:14:22  <V453000> PGS are the "rural" and "suburban" stations I think
21:14:37  <V453000> not to mention that there are the old industrial stations :p
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21:16:52  <Mark> just filtered my grflist with "station" and added them all :P
21:17:03  <Mark> ill change it though
21:17:44  <V453000> psg 201 had a real good setup of pax stations I think
21:17:46  <Chris_Booth> you are also missing my fav pax stations, Platforms
21:17:48  <V453000> basically all of them
21:18:11  <V453000> check 201 and possibly extract that grf setting if you want :)
21:18:41  <Chris_Booth> did 201 have platforms?
21:18:44  <V453000> yes
21:18:57  <Chris_Booth> nice
21:18:58  <V453000> I can make the map if you dont want to fiddle with it Mark, I have the preset saved anyway
21:19:09  <V453000> and if you agree with loading these things of course
21:19:22  <Mark> ill do it
21:20:51  <V453000> btw might be nice to use north american city set for once
21:21:08  <V453000> but it needs mixing with something else, TTRS/japan towns are nice, swedish houses work great too
21:21:11  <Chris_Booth> and New Stations V0.
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21:23:33  <Chris_Booth> I also like XTC MTTS but that is not on Bananas or in the GRF pack
21:24:08  <Mark> !getsave
21:24:10  <PublicServer> Mark: OK :-)
21:24:17  <V453000> honestly, I dont care about newgrfs which arent on bananas :)
21:24:39  <V453000> or in pack, but that is not too likely to extend I guess
21:25:57  <Chris_Booth> lol
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23:25:42  <Hazzard> Hello
23:25:47  <Hazzard> !info
23:25:47  <PublicServer> Hazzard: #:1(Orange) Company Name: 'Prunbourne Transport'  Year Founded: 2100  Money: 29634119543  Loan: 0  Value: 29637416446  (T:1749, R:0, P:0, S:0) unprotected
23:26:08  <Hazzard> Ah, the internet
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23:54:56  <dwarf> !players
23:54:59  <PublicServer> dwarf: There are currently no clients connected to the server
23:55:12  <dwarf> !password
23:55:12  <PublicServer> dwarf: graved
23:55:42  <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players)
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23:56:35  <PublicServer> <dwarf> hi
23:56:41  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> hello
23:56:51  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> you almost crashed me, i was in full zoom out :P
23:57:02  <PublicServer> <dwarf> :D
23:57:09  <PublicServer> <XeryusTC> well, i say crash
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