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02:30:15 *** o11c has joined #openttdcoop 02:30:55 <o11c> !help 02:30:55 <coopserver> o11c: http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Soap 02:31:02 <o11c> @quickstart 02:31:03 <Webster> Quickstart - #openttdcoop Wiki - http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Quickstart 02:45:21 *** KWKdesign has quit IRC 02:45:22 *** KWKdesign has joined #openttdcoop 04:04:47 <o11c> ugh 04:04:53 <Hazzard_> ? 04:05:05 <o11c> it seems like building from git causes a verseion mismatch compared to the same revision from svn 04:05:22 <Hazzard_> oh 04:05:24 <Hazzard_> @download 04:05:27 <Hazzard_> !download 04:05:27 <coopserver> Hazzard_: !download lin|lin64|osx|ottdau|source|win32|win64|win9x 04:05:28 <coopserver> Hazzard_: http://www.openttd.org/en/download-trunk/r26720 04:05:32 <o11c> I don't install binaries 04:06:03 <Hazzard_> you use linux? 04:06:58 <o11c> yeah 04:07:09 <o11c> I'll probably just replace the version-detection script 04:28:17 *** Hazzard_ has quit IRC 04:33:06 *** Djanxy has quit IRC 04:46:04 *** keoz has quit IRC 05:37:25 *** Hazzard has quit IRC 06:49:26 *** bleepy has joined #openttdcoop 06:52:27 *** bleepy\ has joined #openttdcoop 06:52:27 *** bleepy has quit IRC 07:00:30 *** bleepy\ has quit IRC 08:06:00 *** Brumi has joined #openttdcoop 08:17:05 <planetmaker> o11c, you need to build from svn, if you want version compatibility 08:17:20 <planetmaker> do *not* replace the version detection script 08:23:14 *** Max| has quit IRC 09:13:41 *** Max| has joined #openttdcoop 09:44:14 *** Max| has quit IRC 10:02:29 *** Max| has joined #openttdcoop 10:12:46 *** Max| has quit IRC 10:17:44 *** Max| has joined #openttdcoop 10:22:21 *** keoz has joined #openttdcoop 10:37:09 *** Max| has quit IRC 10:45:19 *** Max| has joined #openttdcoop 11:14:53 *** Max| has quit IRC 11:27:21 *** Max| has joined #openttdcoop 11:38:42 *** Max|_ has joined #openttdcoop 11:40:38 *** Max| has quit IRC 12:09:18 *** KWKdesign has quit IRC 12:09:32 *** KWKdesign has joined #openttdcoop 13:45:56 *** Brumi_ has joined #openttdcoop 13:49:13 *** Brumi has quit IRC 14:12:46 *** Djanxy has joined #openttdcoop 14:38:54 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop 14:38:54 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ODM 15:02:41 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 15:47:16 *** Progman has joined #openttdcoop 16:40:13 <o11c> planetmaker: but ... the git history should have the same tree ... 16:48:05 <planetmaker> it's true for the nightlies, but not for testing and stable releases. And also for nightly versions, if you modify the version detection you modify the source, thus make the source incompatible to work with the unpatched version 16:49:06 <planetmaker> and a faking the version of OpenTTD easily gives cause to bug searches which actually are totally in vain as then the OpenTTD versions which claim to be the same actually are different 16:49:43 <planetmaker> in summary: yes, one can fake the version. But if you have any love for the developers of this game: do not do that 16:50:08 <planetmaker> just grab an svn checkout for the build you want to play multiplayer from 16:50:27 <planetmaker> use mercurial (or git) for your development - all developers do so, too 16:51:04 <planetmaker> but build your binary for multiplayer play from unmodified svn checkout 16:53:01 <planetmaker> for mercurial or git checkouts, there simply is no reliable way to determine the corresponding svn revision. It's a bit sad, but I don't see a way around that other than completely changing how OpenTTD establishes its version 17:10:19 <o11c> I was thinking just grab the r123456 from the commit 17:13:09 <o11c> oh I see, it's not a proper git-svn repo 17:25:46 *** Djanxy has quit IRC 17:31:21 <Sylf> the revision number comes from svn 17:31:57 <o11c> the information is available in the commit message, and *should* be available in the meta-info if it were a proper git-svn repo 17:32:16 <o11c> the usual trick is 'git svn info | grep Revision:' 17:34:25 *** Djanxy has joined #openttdcoop 17:34:47 <o11c> for openttd this works though: git log -n 1 --pretty='format:%s' | sed 's/).*//;s/(svn //' 18:00:25 *** ascdren has joined #openttdcoop 18:00:52 *** ascdren has quit IRC 18:04:13 <planetmaker> o11c, that does not work reliably. Anyone can put any revision in the commit messages 18:35:21 <o11c> planetmaker: which is why a proper git-svn mirror would be better, but really, I'm not worried about malice 18:35:54 <planetmaker> o11c, you not. But I am. And I'm worried about potentially pointless bug reports which eat several evenings of my time 18:36:33 <planetmaker> and messing with the version detection code has that potential quite strongly 18:40:39 <planetmaker> o11c, and abuse is not a theoretical thing. There are enough server owners out there who provide binaries which fake the revision. Guess who gets the bug reports when they fail to operate correctly with the servers? 18:42:58 <o11c> well, the only sane place to send bug reports to is "whoever distributed the binary" 18:43:24 <o11c> so the first question for *every* bug report is "where did you download the client", not "what number is it?" 18:45:54 <Sylf> But that logic doesn't work when those who tinkered with the version/revision number who also submits the bug report, and don't tell that the source has been tinkered with 18:47:23 <planetmaker> right... you'll do it anyway, I see. Just don't distribute that mess, please. At all. 18:47:39 * planetmaker makes a note 19:07:42 <Sylf> !password 19:07:42 <coopserver> Sylf: funded 19:07:55 <coopserver> *** Game still paused (connecting clients, number of players) 19:07:59 <coopserver> *** Sylf has joined 19:07:59 <coopserver> *** Game still paused (number of players) 19:08:02 <coopserver> *** Sylf has joined company #1 19:08:02 <coopserver> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 20:16:52 *** keoz has quit IRC 20:18:08 *** Brumi_ has quit IRC 20:27:31 *** ODM has quit IRC 20:30:21 *** luaduck is now known as luaduck_zzz 20:31:40 <Sylf> !rcon set max_trains 20:31:41 <coopserver> Current value for 'max_trains' is: '1000' (min: 0, max: 5000) 20:31:46 <Sylf> !rcon set max_trains 950 20:32:32 *** Yhag has joined #openttdcoop 20:43:58 <coopserver> *** Sylf has left the game (Leaving) 20:43:58 <coopserver> *** Game paused (number of players) 20:47:58 *** Progman has quit IRC 22:00:35 *** KWKdesign has quit IRC 22:00:52 *** KWKdesign has joined #openttdcoop 23:19:23 *** keoz has joined #openttdcoop